2011 draft excercise redux:

[007]

Mass ran this thing last year, its a fun little thing to do and I figure with a month to go, we'll have some interesting ideas popping up.

Link to last years:http://www.blackreign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6177

Using NFLDS's top 750 player rankings right here: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2011

Make our selections for the upcoming draft based on our picks.

*Note* You can only take players ranked after our pick, so the 32nd ranked player could not be chosen with our 48th picks or the 75th player with the 81st pick etc.

2.48:
3.81:
4.113:
5.148:
6.181:
7.218:
7.240:

Let's see what you guys got with a month to go...

[007]

2.48 Clint Boling, OG Georgia.
-Everybody is mocking Wiz or Cannon to us, here is another option. Good size, more athletic than I thought. Started a thousand games the last four years.

3.81 Buster Skrine, CB Chattanooga.
-Fast cover guy who could probably beat out Ware for our nickel spot.

4.113 John Moffit, OG Wisconsin.
-Shores up the interior OL with Boling. Big nasty mauler who could play C too. If we re-sign Langston Walker, we should be OK for the tackle spots.

5.148 Mark Herzlich, LB Boston College.
-I think he's a good player and has scheme versatility. His speed seems to have been sapped due to cancer, but he has definite potential.

6.181 Weslye Saunders TE, South Carolina.
-Some insurance if Miller leaves and also gives us another blocking TE if Khalif departs.

7.218 Noel Devine RB, WVU
-He apparently ran between 4.28 and 4.36 at his pro day. Tiny little fucker, but he's dynamic.

7.240 Pep Livingston DE, LSU
-Big guy at 6-3 290. Total underachiever, but has potential as a late round flier. Can play inside or out, which adds value on our team.

I really hope we get two OL early, but I have a feeling we might go off the grid a little. With this draft we addressed two big needs (OL and CB) and added some depth at other positions depending on who stays and who goes. (Mike Bush, Zach Miller etc.)

[hawaiianboy]

Mass ran this thing last year, its a fun little thing to do and I figure with a month to go, we'll have some interesting ideas popping up.

I miss my Mass guy, especially around draft time...


Link to last years:http://www.blackreign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6177

Lot of Jimmy Clausen ball washing in there last year...

Note my Moffitt love as well... :D

Round 1 (8th overall): Mike Iupati OL Idaho
Round 2 (39th overall): Terrance Cody DT Bama (well worth the risk in RD2)
Round 3 (69th overall): Jared Veldheer OT Hillsdale
Round 4 (106th overall): Walter McFadden CB Auburn
Round 5 (138th overall): Eric Olsen C Notre Dumb
Round 5 (158th overall): EJ Wilson DE North Carolina
Round 7 (215th overall): Travis Ivey DT Maryland
Round 7 (251st overall): Joe Pawelek MLB Baylor (I love this guy)

I think Iupati will kick to RT sooner than later... He has all the ability in the world but has yet to have any kind of quality coaching... I'd sign Shawn Andrews to play RG next to him...

I know it's sacrilege, but I'd try and trade Gallery's always hurt ass to a ZBS team and roll with either Langston or Barnes at LG for a year... If either works out, then great, if not go get John Moffitt in the draft next year.. We aren't going to win on the arm of any of our QB's, we may as well trot a big power based O-line out there and run the hell out of the ball...

[007]

Yeah bro, you got me on the Moffit wagon last season, you can get full credit for that one.

How did you whiff on the Lil Al and show some talent in this thing, nailing two guys?

[CrossBones]

How did you whiff on the Lil Al and show some talent in this thing, nailing two guys?It's kinda like how he plays golf...

...hits it great at the range but it's a long walk from the range the 1st tee. ;)

[007]

It's kinda like how he plays golf...

...hits it great at the range but it's a long walk from the range the 1st tee. ;)

Yup. And he's the guy trash talking at the office about how he shot a 75 back in 1984.

The guy just crumbles when the chips are down.

[Birdwell]

Nice, 007. I was tempted to have an effort much closer to yours, but for the sake of variety...


2.48: Benjamin Ijalana
Really doubt he'll be available at this spot, given his athleticism, upside, and ability to play 4 of the 5 OL spots. Best player outta Villanova since Howie, and he could fill in at either G spot for us (though I'd rather have him for Carlisle, not next the other youngin'.)

3.81: Buster Skrine
Not just fast, but also a team captain. If we lose Nnamdi, a guy who has been a captain is a good idea. Not immediate dividends there, but won't need to be baby-sat, either.

4.113: Joe Lefeged
A physical specimen, yes. Rutgers also has a history of producing guys who are fundamentally sound. We need someone who can cover slot, really cover TEs. Has the speed to play our single high FS.

5.148: Mario Harvey
Go ahead and hate. This guy is super-physical as plainng inside, has safety speed so could play very interestingly at either WILL or SAM. Lit up his pro day, and has game tape to back it up. Level of competition is the question, but he'll not get much past this pick when it counts.

6.181:Brandon Fusco
What we have behind Satele is not something I'm comfortable with. In two years, Fusco and Ijalana can be playing side-by-side as kids from small Catholic colleges.

7.218: Chris Neild
Upside bigger than anyone realizes. No coaching worth a damn at WV now. Dude can stuff the run already, and with Desmond Bryant showing so well at DE late last year, we can use another DT.

7.240: Trevis Turner
Abilene Christian is turning out some really good players. (Someone should still sign Tony Washington.) This guy is a potential step-in at RT in a year, or even mid-season. Wait 'til the best OL coach in the league gets ahold of this guy. (Allowed me to re-think 5.148, where I was thinking Lee Ziemba, as I like Turner better anyway.)

[Byron2112]

what the hell happened to Mass anyway?

[Postmaster]

evansilva Mayock on UT-Chattanooga CBBuster Skrine: "I say, at best, he's a fifth- or sixth-round pick. The tape isn't good enough."

3rd might be a little early on this guy......

[007]

Studly Birdwell.

Love it.

Ijalana is a guy I am intrigued about. To be honest, I won't post my favorite guys because I'm superstitious we wont pick them, but you nailed a couple of 'em.

Mario Harvey will be on a lot of lil Al's I figure, but I tried to find the last LB we took who was under 6-1 or so. A 4.43 forty might erase that issue.

Fusco is actually elimated from pick 181 though. (Rank 175).

[007]

what the hell happened to Mass anyway?

He left over Tommygirl acting like a punk and banning Jack.

[Postmaster]

2.48: Marvin Austin DT North Carolina
D-Line is our strength but Austin could of been first round pick if he wasn't suspended his senior year. We would be getting a potential 1st round talent and add some youth to the interior of our d-line. We got the coach (Waufle) to make him great.

3.81: James Brewer OT Indiana
Big boy at 6-6 323 lbs, he could replace Langston Walker in 2012 or later in the 2011 season after learning the pro-game.

4.113: John Moffitt OG Wisconsin
More beef. He could push Loper/Campbell/Carlisle for a starting spot this year with all the ? marks at the position.

5.148: Julius Tomas TE Portland St
Former basketball player who we have contacted. Worth taking a flier in the 5th. Could be another security blanket for Capt. Checkdown.

6.181: Tori Gurley WR South Carolina
Big physical WR 6-4 216 could take over Chaz's role if he can't shake the injury bug.

7.218: Dion Lewis RB Pittsburgh
If Bush or DMAC get hurt I don't want to see Rock or Bennett getting carries. Lewis is a smaller back but he could be a nice change of pace subbing in from time to time.

7.240: Adrian Moten OLB Maryland
A little on the small side but has good speed. Start him off as a ST'er and see if he can get some PT at the WILL.

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As for the corner question, if Nnam signs elsewhere I think we should grab a few FA's to compete to who we have currently under contract.

[Crow]

He left over Tommygirl acting like a punk and banning Jack.

Or was it when TG warned Jack to settle down or else, and he badgered her, daring her to ban him, until she finally did?

Funny how things get contorted when someone is trying to play the victim card.

[Birdwell]

Studly Birdwell.

Love it.

Ijalana is a guy I am intrigued about. To be honest, I won't post my favorite guys because I'm superstitious we wont pick them, but you nailed a couple of 'em.

Mario Harvey will be on a lot of lil Al's I figure, but I tried to find the last LB we took who was under 6-1 or so. A 4.43 forty might erase that issue.

Fusco is actually elimated from pick 181 though. (Rank 175).

:banghead:

Ouch. 175 < 182. Duhhhh...

Revised 6.181: Jake Kirkpatrick
I like Fusco better because he's stronger, but hard to fault a guy like the Horned Frog C who ran up and down the field with that O and made all the line calls.

[Sleet]

My 1st draft:

2.48: 62 Stefen Wisniewski C 2 Penn State
Prefer Marcus Cannon and Davon House, here, but w/o a 1st, we need a starter and depth at C, and I like Thomas (TE) more than Focus (C) in the 4th.

3.81: 82 Will Rackley OG 5 Lehigh
I want two interior OL from the draft, and prefer 'lil Wiz here. Since 007's rules required > 80, I went with Rackley, but could easily be talked into Marcus Gilbert.

4.113: 113 Buster Skrine CB 15 Chattanooga
Very fast CB, no brainer. Al signs FA Joseph (Cinci) to help replace Aso.

5.148: 172 Julius Thomas TE 9 Portland State
We need another pass-catching TE even if we re-sign Miller, and Al likes former basketball players, and this guy's been to 3 NCAA tournaments.

6.181: 197 Byron Maxwell CB 25 Clemson
Big fast CB converts to FS for Al. Depth in case Huff is not re-signed.

7.218: 229 Ricardo Lockette WR 29 Fort Valley State
Big fast trackstar who can't catch. No brainer.

7.240: 668 Matt Marcorelle ILB/DE 30 Delaware
Great production at Delaware. Former team caption. Led highly ranked D.

[007]

Or was it when TG warned Jack to settle down or else, and he badgered her, daring her to ban him, until she finally did?

Funny how things get contorted when someone is trying to play the victim card.

I'm not playing the victim card because I'm not the victim.

TG has had it in for Jack for years, and you've been a bigger douche around here than Jack ever was...Yet you got chance after chance after chance.

I won't clutter up this thread with anymore of this garbage, but we lost two great posters in a one week period and it was all bullshit.

[007]

2.48: Marvin Austin DT North Carolina
D-Line is our strength but Austin could of been first round pick if he wasn't suspended his senior year. We would be getting a potential 1st round talent and add some youth to the interior of our d-line. We got the coach (Waufle) to make him great.

3.81: James Brewer OT Indiana
Big boy at 6-6 323 lbs, he could replace Langston Walker in 2012 or later in the 2011 season after learning the pro-game.

4.113: John Moffitt OG Wisconsin
More beef. He could push Loper/Campbell/Carlisle for a starting spot this year with all the ? marks at the position.

5.148: Julius Tomas TE Portland St
Former basketball player who we have contacted. Worth taking a flier in the 5th. Could be another security blanket for Capt. Checkdown.

6.181: Tori Gurley WR South Carolina
Big physical WR 6-4 216 could take over Chaz's role if he can't shake the injury bug.

7.218: Dion Lewis RB Pittsburgh
If Bush or DMAC get hurt I don't want to see Rock or Bennett getting carries. Lewis is a smaller back but he could be a nice change of pace subbing in from time to time.

7.240: Adrian Moten OLB Maryland
A little on the small side but has good speed. Start him off as a ST'er and see if he can get some PT at the WILL.

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As for the corner question, if Nnam signs elsewhere I think we should grab a few FA's to compete to who we have currently under contract.

Stud draft bro.

I like Gurley as a sleeper. I looked at Johnnie Morants scouting report/combine numbers and Tori is almost identical.

Al does draft the occasional physical phreak, even if they only run 4.5 (Doug Gabriel, Jerry Porter, Morant, Curry)

[Crow]

2.48: Marvin Austin - DT
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1242977
Funny how things just fall into place. The 48th pick and the 48th rated player. Cannon and Ijalana make a ton of sense here, obviously, and offer more immediate help. But if Austin's primary concern is that he's immature...man. I dunno. Let him back Seymour up for a year or two, someone who helped bring the best out of a player with far more warts than Austin, and this could be a pick that's looked back on in a few years like "Wow. How the hell did that guy fall to the second round?" As much as I want to upgrade at guard and center, and even RT, positional value and upside dictate that I go this route instead.

3.81: Will Rackley - OG
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1635322
Can you really have a guard from Lehigh lined up next to a tackle from Hillsdale? We'll see how it goes.

4.113: Virgil Green - TE
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1691005
I readily admit that my inner Al, and we all have one, got a semi watching this guy run. Probably won't ever be much of a blocker. I'm not asking him to do much blocking as a rookie. This is my sub-package, flex TE who can come out with Miller and Reece in a power formation and shift into a multiple receiver set. Could play out wide to help upgrade the overall receiving corps. Passing up Moffitt here hurts.

5.148: Mark Herzlich - OLB
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243115
Intriguing set of options here. Cortez Allen has gotten some good pub lately, and I'd be remiss if I went an entire draft without taking a DB. Primarily a man corner at The Citadel, so the fit is obvious. Lee Ziemba is a mauler in the run game but a little shaky on passing downs. That said, he did dominate Senior Week, so he may just need some coaching up. Derrick Locke is really fast. But, the opportunity to grab a 1st round talent in the 5th round is just too good to pass up. May not start right away, but I wouldn't bet against him.

6.181: Jake Kirkpatrick - C
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1689720
Pondered a few role players here, but a potential starter on the OL trumps a #3 HB (DaRell Scott), an athletic conversion project/Wildcat QB (Tyrod Taylor), or the other couple guys I gave thought to here. Probably not a long term answer.

7.218: Aldrick Robinson - WR
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1273600
Big time speed, and probably more ready to contribute than DHB.

7.240: Lee Smith - TE
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1276441
Drew rave reviews for his dominant blocking during Senior Week. I've pretty much had wood for the guy ever since.

[Crow]

I'm not playing the victim card because I'm not the victim.

I was referring to your flaming friend, not you.

TG has had it in for Jack for years, and you've been a bigger douche around here than Jack ever was...Yet you got chance after chance after chance.

You must have forgotten the 30 day ban she gave me. Jack got either 7 or 14 days for the same offense. He decided to badger her, piss and moan, and act like the flaming homosexual that he is. If you keep daring someone to ban you, you will eventually get your wish. I usually shut up for a while when one of the staff here gives me shit. Not Jack, though. No sir. He chose the other approach and got what he knew he'd get.

I don't know where you get that anyone has "had it in" for Jack for years. He's been a shit stirring whiner for years. That much I'm sure we can agree on.

I won't clutter up this thread with anymore of this garbage, but we lost two great posters in a one week period and it was all bullshit.

Jack deserved to be banned. Mass...eh. Whatever. I can't shed a tear for someone who takes his ball and goes home. He could come back any time he chose to.

In the end, though, nothing of value was lost.

[Crow]

2.48: Marvin Austin DT North Carolina
D-Line is our strength but Austin could of been first round pick if he wasn't suspended his senior year. We would be getting a potential 1st round talent and add some youth to the interior of our d-line. We got the coach (Waufle) to make him great.

3.81: James Brewer OT Indiana
Big boy at 6-6 323 lbs, he could replace Langston Walker in 2012 or later in the 2011 season after learning the pro-game.

4.113: John Moffitt OG Wisconsin
More beef. He could push Loper/Campbell/Carlisle for a starting spot this year with all the ? marks at the position.

5.148: Julius Tomas TE Portland St
Former basketball player who we have contacted. Worth taking a flier in the 5th. Could be another security blanket for Capt. Checkdown.

6.181: Tori Gurley WR South Carolina
Big physical WR 6-4 216 could take over Chaz's role if he can't shake the injury bug.

7.218: Dion Lewis RB Pittsburgh
If Bush or DMAC get hurt I don't want to see Rock or Bennett getting carries. Lewis is a smaller back but he could be a nice change of pace subbing in from time to time.

7.240: Adrian Moten OLB Maryland
A little on the small side but has good speed. Start him off as a ST'er and see if he can get some PT at the WILL.

************************************************** **************

As for the corner question, if Nnam signs elsewhere I think we should grab a few FA's to compete to who we have currently under contract.

Hard to hate. Gotta disqualify any player named "girly", though.

[NIPS]

My 1st draft:

2.48: 62 Stefen Wisniewski C 2 Penn State
Prefer Marcus Cannon and Davon House, here, but w/o a 1st, we need a starter and depth at C, and I like Thomas (TE) more than Focus (C) in the 4th.

3.81: 82 Will Rackley OG 5 Lehigh
I want two interior OL from the draft, and prefer 'lil Wiz here. Since 007's rules required > 80, I went with Rackley, but could easily be talked into Marcus Gilbert.

4.113: 113 Buster Skrine CB 15 Chattanooga
Very fast CB, no brainer. Al signs FA Joseph (Cinci) to help replace Aso.

5.148: 172 Julius Thomas TE 9 Portland State
We need another pass-catching TE even if we re-sign Miller, and Al likes former basketball players, and this guy's been to 3 NCAA tournaments.

6.181: 197 Byron Maxwell CB 25 Clemson
Big fast CB converts to FS for Al. Depth in case Huff is not re-signed.

7.218: 229 Ricardo Lockette WR 29 Fort Valley State
Big fast trackstar who can't catch. No brainer.

7.240: 668 Matt Marcorelle ILB/DE 30 Delaware
Great production at Delaware. Former team caption. Lead highly ranked D.

Winner, dig the JT pick- its high on my list.. Still like to see the QB from Alabama somewhere on there- overall, nicely done

[TheMadStork]

Winner, dig the JT pick- its high on my list.. Still like to see the QB from Alabama somewhere on there- overall, nicely done

If I recall correctly, we had some decent success with another Alabama QB with a small arm and big smarts...

[Postmaster]

LateHits#NorthCarolina DT-Marvin Austin could very well turn out to be the best D-Tackle of the 2011 #NFL #Draft & someone might get him in Round 2!

[Sleet]

LateHits

Good thing we've spent a fortune on Sey, TK and Henderson. Hope this guy doesn't find his way to SD, KC or the Donks.

[Madturk]

Winner, dig the JT pick- its high on my list.. Still like to see the QB from Alabama somewhere on there- overall, nicely done

read em and weep ladies:p

2.48 Marcus Cannon OT TCU Pretty much a lock here. Guy will be an immediate starter at guard or can kick outside

3.81 Will Rackley OG Lehigh Solidify the OL with another potential starter. May not start right away but gives us some nice depth. I would have grabbed Wiz here if he was still on the board.

4.113 Chris Culliver DB S Carolina. FS but can play corner. Good size and has the sub 4.4 speed, Al espouses. Good return guy too. Just more of a better all around player than Skrines who's played against far superior competition.

5.148 Greg McElroy QB Bama Doesn't have the measurables that Al loves in his QB but I think he has the smarts to possibly start in the NFL. At worse we'll have a solid back-up QB we can groom. We didn't do too bad with the last Bama QB we drafted.

6.181 Mike Mohammed LB Cal Good smart role player who can play pretty much any LB position. Would be a good ST addition.

7.281 Alex Linnenkohl C Oreg. St. Great value pick here. Durable guy who'll be at least a solid back-up to Satele.

7.240 Noel Devine RB W Va. Good change of pace back who'd be a nice compliment to DMac and Bush. He's a smurf but very explosive. Has to be an uprgade over Bennett.

[Raidervinny]

Ok...I'll give it a go. Here's what I see as our needs...in order: OL, DB, OLB, S, WR

2.48 - Bruce Carter OLB: Hard to pass on Li'l Wiz, Cannon or Ijilana but I felt like we could get OL that were nearly as good later on but that the OLB value dropped like a rock.

3.81 - Will Rackley G: I didn't think the differnce between Rackley and the aforementioned guys that all that big.

4.112 - Stephen Shilling G/T: I know...All WILL draft Skrine...and at least 2 rounds before anyone else in there right minds would. However, Shilling would be a better value pick. Has the ability to play G and T

5.145 - Chykie Brown CB: Best CB left...and good upside.

6.176 - Ryan Jones CB: Late Round prospect with good upside.

7.209 - Weslye Saunders: Has the baggage but well worth a 7th round pick...can't see how he wouldn't make the team.

7.240 - Courtney Smith WR: Big receiver that can catch...think he would be a steal here.

[Sleet]

Just think, we can do this all over again if 007 were to provide a link to another Top 100 ranking. :D

Many I've seen vary significantly, particularly after the 1st round.

[Sleet]

Ok...I'll give it a go. Here's what I see as our needs...in order: OL, DB, OLB, S, WR

2.48 - Bruce Carter OLB: Hard to pass on Li'l Wiz, Cannon or Ijilana but I felt like we could get OL that were nearly as good later on but that the OLB value dropped like a rock.

3.81 - Will Rackley G: I didn't think the differnce between Rackley and the aforementioned guys that all that big.

4.112 - Stephen Shilling G/T: I know...All WILL draft Skrine...and at least 2 rounds before anyone else in there right minds would. However, Shilling would be a better value pick. Has the ability to play G and T

5.145 - Chykie Brown CB: Best CB left...and good upside.

6.176 - Ryan Jones CB: Late Round prospect with good upside.

7.209 - Weslye Saunders: Has the baggage but well worth a 7th round pick...can't see how he wouldn't make the team.

7.240 - Courtney Smith WR: Big receiver that can catch...think he would be a steal here.

Vinny, how many of these guys do you have going to the Donks? Or, did you make a separate, All-Donks list?

[Raidervinny]

Vinny, how many of these guys do you have going to the Donks? Or, did you make a separate, All-Donks list?

Actually...they ALL go to the Donks...my Li'l Al entrance will show who we are really gonna pick. :D

[Madturk]

Actually I like the Chykie Brown pick, was waffling between him and Culliver but I like the fact that Culliver can play both FS and corner as we're probably going to lose more than one starter in the secondary.

[Sleet]

read em and weep ladies:p

2.48 Marcus Cannon OT TCU Pretty much a lock here. Guy will be an immediate starter at guard or can kick outside . . . .

7.281 Alex Linnenkohl C Oreg. St. Great value pick here. Durable guy who'll be at least a solid back-up to Satele.


With the draft apparently going ahead of free agency, Al will not be able to address his need for another starting CB prior to the draft. That jeopardizes all the work Al needs to get done to rebuild the OL, which presently looks like Veldheer, Loper, Satele, Carlisle/Campbell and Walker.

I wouldn't be surprised, at all, if Al trades next year's 1st to get an extra 2nd round pick, so as to select Davon House. I also wouldn't be surprised (and I actually hope) Al, Hue and Wylie like Cannon more than 'lil Wiz, or think that they can get 'lil Wiz in the 3rd round, or trade down to get an extra Day 3 pick and land 'lil Wiz (or another interior OL) later in the 2nd.

But a lot depends on whether Al, Hue and Wylie are looking to draft more than a future back-up C. What is more important? Replacing Loper, Satele, Carlisle/Campbell or Walker on the starting OL? While I agree that Satele is likey a better starter at this point than Loper, Carlisle and Campbell, if Veldheer is not the back-up C, then Al, Hue and Wylie have to find that guy in the draft (or sign a FA C). Not sure Campbell will sleep well at night receiving snaps from a short, 7th round, developmental rook.

[Byron2112]

I do agree with 007 and others that we'll probably be going somewhat off the reservation as far as what most people believe we need to be doing... I think Al prolly has great confidence in Route that is far and away from what we think... also believe Al has reserved a chair for Bruce Campbell in the line up, so a passel of high picks at either position is not likely to happen.



2.48: Marvin Austin, DT North Carolina
- probably the most talented DT in the draft... Al loves stockpiling athletic D-lineman, and if this kid falls to us I don't see any way he passes... works for me, I'd love the pick. We haven't had real great depth on the Dline in quite some time, and this would drive us deep.


3.81: Jordan Cameron, TE Southern California
- Al gets his proto-burner TE(6-5, 255, 4.53 40, 38" vert), and from one of his pet schools too. I have a feeling some smart team is going to price us out of Miller, and Al won't give a damn anyway becasue he doesn't stretch the field the way he would like.


4.113: Buster Skrine, CB Chattanooga
- I could see us taking this kid a round earlier due to need and Al's man-love of the position and smooth athletes like Skrine. His workout #'s really are top shelf in this class of CB's, and he looked really quick and smooth drilling at the combine.


5.148: Zach Hurd, OG Connecticut
- we need a guy that can step in and start at guard and Hurd is a team captain that started near 40 games in college. He's also massive at a legit 6-7, 320 lbs... pretty athletic too, more so than Moffit.


6.181: Doug Hogue, OLB Syracuse
- bit of a project, this guy is a former RB(athlete) that's only got a couplea seasons at LB, but has the size Al likes at 6-3, 235, and posted 9 sacks his first year starting on D.


7.218: Chris Prosinski, FS Wyoming
- It doesn't look like we'll be able to sign Huffer, so we've got an Al special here. Lights out athlete that goes 6-1, 200 lbs with 4.39 40 speed, 40" vert, 11.2' broad jump, 4.28 short shuttle, and 6.85 3-cone(basically this guy tests all-around as prolly the best corner in the draft- 'cept he's a FS :D ) ... oh yeah, Al's gettin' some petrified wood outta this one... he's also got the 4th most tackles in school history though, so he's put some work in... and SeaBass needs a Pollack friend...


7.240: Zach Williams, C Washington State
- former JuCo transfer that started several games at Guard in 2009, and started all 12 at center in 2010 earning All-Pac10 Honorable mention. Nice size at a legit 6-3, 310 lbs, and good athleticism. Solid lotto pick at a need position that isn't undersized, weak(30 reps) or slow as hell.. maybe something there to develop.

[Sleet]

I'd be surprised if Austin got by the Donks and fell to us at #48. The Donks' DL is old and hurting. Al has already spent a small fortune on Sey, TK and Hen, and Waufle says that DT is Sey's best position. So, even though Bryant may take some snaps at DE, that is b/c Hou is going to take some snaps at DT next year. As much as I would love another young stud for Waufle to develop, if Al was going to draft D in the 2nd, Davon House or an OLB is more likely.

[fade2black24]

2.48: Davon House CB New Mexico State
Al falls in love with the intangibles. With some work, this kid could turn out to be a very good corner. Chris Johnson is getting up there in years. Routt will assume #1 role and don't know if McFadden can be #2. It would appear we need to find a number #2 corner to take over for Johnson within the next couple of years or start over Johnson. Still not completely convinced we go CB in the 2nd round but for now I'll say we do.

3.81: Chris Carter OLB/DE Fresno State (#85)
Potential superstar. Explodes off the ball. 11 sacks in 2010. Al's kind of prospect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMVtxfRt8ok

4.113: Jerrell Powe NT Mississippi (#116 )
Raiders scouted this guy for a reason. I think this team is in the market a true NT. I would not be surprised if he was drafted.

5.148: Lee Ziemba G/T (#151)
Had a great senior bowl. Big nasty run blocker. Could play RT or G.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBEvjVtoaNg

6.181: Byron Maxwell CB Clemson (#197)
This kid is a bad ass. I could see Al falling for him. Could help out in the secondary in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znkz-XYhAQ4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdXlEOQmHVo&feature=related

7.218: Mark Legree FS Appalachian State (#243)
Ball Hawking FS. Has the big hitter ability too. Could be a potential development guy.

7.240: Jeremy Ross WR California (#332) This kid makes plays. Ran a 4.39 40 at his pro day. Overall had a terrifc workout. Can also return kicks. He'll be a late round steal for somebody (hopefully the Raiders). Takes the place of Johnny Lee Higgins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGvPz1Nhfvw

[hawaiianboy]

I like what I saw of Walter McFadden and Jeremy Ware early at corner last year, so I decided to not add another young guy there, but I would look to add another vet should Aso leave... Would have liked a DT somewhere, but I just wasn't impressed enough with the choices available...


2.48: Stefen Wisniewski -Penn St.- (C/OG)
Thought real hard about Marvin Austin because he's got skills and because I'm not particularly impressed with the mid round DT's... After what happened this past season at NC, Marvin needed to do everything asked of him to prove himself... The Wonderlic is pretty meaningless, but his refusal to take it just puts up another red flag and makes it appear he has something to hide or just won't ever get what is expected of him as a pro... All things considered, it wouldn't surprise me to see him drop a round or two come draft day...

Thought about Cannon as well, but his long term weight concerns me a bit as players tend to put some on as they mature... He tends to be a bit of a waist bender and seems better out of the two point stance than with his hand down... That makes me wonder a bit about his lower body flexibility...

I would be more up to taking a player with some risk flags here if we had a 1st RD pick... As it is, I think we need to hit on this one so I played it safe and went with the clean prospect with the high football IQ... He's not his uncle, but I think he compares very well with Ryan Kalil coming out of SC and that'll do...

3.81: Jordan Cameron -USC- (TE)
This was the hardest pick for me to decide on... I thought about Marcus Gilbert and Lawrence Guy here but decided to go with the guy with the freaky upside... Will have to spot play him for a season or so as a slot or offset as an H-back, but has the potential to be a versatile match up problem paired with Zach... As inexperienced as he is, we'd be taking him a bit high for my taste, but I love that he catches the ball with his hands and I can't help but notice the similarities to Tony Gonzalez in build and raw athletic ability...

4.113: John Moffitt -Wisconsin- (OG/OC)
Just love the guy... Pure lunch pail that like Wis2 will just grind and play through the whistle... Could play the center spot to give us the size and strength to play against all these 30 fronts we see now which would allow Wisniewski to stay at guard, or play Moff at guard with Wis2 at the pivot...

5.148: Deunta Williams -North Carolina- (FS)
You all know I've been a fan of DW for a few now... He had a rough SR year between the suspension and the injury, but the couple of years prior he really showed his instincts and playmaking skills as a free safety in a pro style defense... I don't know what our deal is with Huff, but getting a guy in the 5th that would have probably been a high 2nd round pick if not for breaking his leg would make me ecstatic...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqssqzYQzXk

6.181: Cliff Matthews -South Carolina- DE
One of the most underrated players in the country IMO... Sometimes it seems like the guys who come on later in their career get more draft steam than the guys who grinds steady for 3 or 4 years... Team captain, high effort guy with good size that doesn't take plays off...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajnVMrltDc4

7.240: Alex Wujciak - Maryland ILB
Ro McClain's future back up and maybe sometimes partner inside in 34 sets... I love the way Wojack finds the ball quick with his reads on every play... Nothing athletically pretty or flashy about the guy, he's just a very Beikert like instinctual old school football player IMO...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ltLePoilk


7.218: David Mims Virginia Union RT
Obviously I have no eyes on info and am just going on scouting reports with this guy... Huge (6'8 330) strong guy with longer arms than anyone at the combine...
A massive offensive tackle prospect who possesses a long, good-looking frame. Carries his weight well, isn't fat by any stretch and actually looks a bit thin throughout his upper half. Showcases impressive power at the point of attack in the run game and can absolutely dominate defenders at his level of competition at the point. Is a pretty good bender for his size and is really heavy handed; once he gets his paws on you the battle is over. Now, obviously he gets a bit upright and isn't real technically sound maintaining leverage and using proper hand placement, but the skill set is most definitely there.

Possesses above-average range for his size in pass protection. Showcases good coordination and balance when asked to mirror and again likes to get his hands on defenders and anchor. Doesn't exhibit much of a kick-slide and is really raw and upright with his footwork. But talking with sources the guy doesn't even have an offensive line coach at his school.

Impression: Physically the guy has the size, strength and athleticism to play in the league and is dripping with upside. Is going to take some time, but is an ideal later-round developmental guy who could really catch fire with some time.

[hawaiianboy]

5.148: Zach Hurd, OG Connecticut
- we need a guy that can step in and start at guard and Hurd is a team captain that started near 40 games in college. He's also massive at a legit 6-7, 320 lbs... pretty athletic too, more so than Moffit.


Love this pick... It's fun watching this character play... I wish the rankings would have worked out for me to take Moffitt to play center and Hurd to play guard...


Nice draft there for a dumbass...

[Byron2112]

Love this pick... It's fun watching this character play... I wish the rankings would have worked out for me to take Moffitt to play center and Hurd to play guard...


Nice draft there for a dumbass...

Ah, thanks pal. :D

I actually would really like that draft... even though I was trying to see through the old man's eyes...

[Byron2112]

I'd be surprised if Austin got by the Donks and fell to us at #48. The Donks' DL is old and hurting. Al has already spent a small fortune on Sey, TK and Hen, and Waufle says that DT is Sey's best position. So, even though Bryant may take some snaps at DE, that is b/c Hou is going to take some snaps at DT next year. As much as I would love another young stud for Waufle to develop, if Al was going to draft D in the 2nd, Davon House or an OLB is more likely.

I see your point, and I have my doubts he'll fall to us, but I don't believe Al would have a problem plucking him... as a 2nd round pick he wouldn't be making jack anyway, so what we've paid out at the position doesn't mean much.

Too bad that McChucklehead dude isn't still coaching Denver, I know he'd pass over perceived character... that, and he's the ultimate dumb ass.

Fox is a crafty craftsman though, and he'll be wanting to retool that D with the highest talent value he can find I'm sure.

[007]

HB sneaks another of my sleepers into the late rounds.

Looks like I'll have to reload my Lil Al preliminary picks.

Mims is definitely a guy I liked as a late round sleeper.

[CrossBones]

Fucking Byron is gonna win the Lil Al one of these years. Unless, of course, 007 pulls another 7th rounder outta his ass to steal the thing on the last trump card. :D

[007]

Fucking Byron is gonna win the Lil Al one of these years. Unless, of course, 007 pulls another 7th rounder outta his ass to steal the thing on the last trump card. :D

I think I snaked that one from Byron too, lol.

Hey, I'm always on top of the leaderboard, I just needed to get in my zone and knock in the birdie on 18.

You and HB are too busy missing the cut every time.

[CrossBones]

I think I snaked that one from Byron too, lol.

Hey, I'm always on top of the leaderboard, I just needed to get in my zone and knock in the birdie on 18.

You and HB are too busy missing the cut every time.Well maybe I haven't won but HBoy has never beaten me I don't think. Not much to hang my hat on though. :p

I might boycott the Lil Al this year. I'll show the owners and players...

[Langlier]

2.48: T - Marcus Cannon (51)
3.81: LB - Greg Jones (90) - Would be Colin Kaepernick if he was one closer
4.113: CB - Buster Skrine (113)
5.148: DT - Sione Fua (167)
6.181: TE - Mike McNeill (196)
7.218: OL - Mike Person (253) - go cats!
7.240: CB - Demarcus Van Dyke (294) - guy runs a 4.25... he might as well have signed his raiders paycheck when he did

[hawaiianboy]

Ah, thanks pal. :D

Don't let it go to your head there Sparkles... you still have that Clausen mankini hanging on your rear view mirror from last year...

[Byron2112]

Don't let it go to your head there Sparkles... you still have that Clausen mankini hanging on your rear view mirror from last year...

:shrug: ... wasn't me brother.

Weren't you pimpin' that guy that was banging his sister?



oh wait... that was Bones... :pound:

[hawaiianboy]

:shrug: ... wasn't me brother.


You're like Barry Bonds on trial denying the deed even though his big ole head is right there as evidence...


The link to last year draft exercise as posted in the thread header says.... GUILTY of 1st degree Clausen lovin as charged, (http://www.blackreign.net/forums/showpost.php?p=155274&postcount=30) your Honor...

http://www.ourvq.com/public/style_emoticons/default/judge.gif <-- Judge Bones

[Postmaster]

Borsilli Stefen told Bmac and Solly tonight that he grew up a #Raiders fan and it would be a dream to play for his uncle and the silver and black

[Byron2112]

You're like Barry Bonds on trial denying the deed even though his big ole head is right there as evidence...


The link to last year draft exercise as posted in the thread header says.... GUILTY of 1st degree Clausen lovin as charged, (http://www.blackreign.net/forums/showpost.php?p=155274&postcount=30) your Honor...

http://www.ourvq.com/public/style_emoticons/default/judge.gif <-- Judge Bones

I thought we were talking Lil' Al.

was more desperation than love...



bastard





Clausen frolicking with some local Raider fans in Hawaii...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/74/198934665_5dfb5f8754.jpg

[Madturk]

But a lot depends on whether Al, Hue and Wylie are looking to draft more than a future back-up C. What is more important? Replacing Loper, Satele, Carlisle/Campbell or Walker on the starting OL? While I agree that Satele is likey a better starter at this point than Loper, Carlisle and Campbell, if Veldheer is not the back-up C, then Al, Hue and Wylie have to find that guy in the draft (or sign a FA C). Not sure Campbell will sleep well at night receiving snaps from a short, 7th round, developmental rook.

Rodney Hudson is 6' 2" and 285 lbs soaking wet and he's the consensus top rated center in the draft. He'll be gone by our first pick and Steph Wiz was off the board by our third rounder or they would have been my choices. I wouldn't have a problem using the #2 on Wiz but I think Cannon is/was a better option.

All this shit could have been avoided if we traded down out of the top 10 and grabbed Alex Mack or used the 2nd rounder on Max Unger.

[Birdwell]

:shrug: ... wasn't me brother.

Weren't you pimpin' that guy that was banging his sister?



oh wait... that was Bones... :pound:

"That guy" was Tony Washington. MY second-rated OT prospect. Model citizen in college, and the coach knew the circumstances. Fucking racist NOLA cops and judicial system -- across the line in TX a sealed juvie conviction with no time woulda been the ticket, and he'd been a second rounder. You think Veldheer has skills?

[Crow]

I dunno if it was a race thing. That's a heavily catholic area. If he would have just put it in her pooper instead, they could have looked the other way.

[RaiderRobert]

"That guy" was Tony Washington. MY second-rated OT prospect. Model citizen in college, and the coach knew the circumstances. Fucking racist NOLA cops and judicial system -- across the line in TX a sealed juvie conviction with no time woulda been the ticket, and he'd been a second rounder. You think Veldheer has skills?

I'd sign Tony Washington in a heartbeat. It's a shame what happened with him. I watched a full documentary on that guy. The biggest crime in all of that guys life is that he hasn't been signed by somebody. They are easily 100 current or recent NFL players that are FAR more dangerous and criminal than him.

[Postmaster]

You just can't bang your sister. It's not allowed.

[RaiderRobert]

You just can't bang your sister. It's not allowed.

I'm not condoning his behavior, but I think the punishment he has/is/and will continue to receive does not fit this particular crime...

[Sleet]

I'm not condoning his behavior, but I think the punishment he has/is/and will continue to receive does not fit this particular crime...

L&O SVU just had an episode about a twin girl doing her twin brother. Talk about closely connected. Maybe its going mainstream. :D :eek: :shakehead:

[Crow]

Sister fucking isn't exactly something you can wrap your head around, but...come on. If we can kill a few hundred dogs, or commit drunken vehicular manslaughter, and still maintain a career, I think a little consensual incest should get a pass at some point.

Had this come to light after he was already under contract and playing well, it would have already been relegated to yesterday's news.

I'm not going to take a pro- sister fucking stance or anything, but damn. This is an interesting society we live in. We can forgive, even overlook, taking the lives of relatively innocent people, the maiming, torturing, and killing of animals for sport, and the obvious use of performance enhancing drugs. But put your dick somewhere it ought not go and you're blackballed for life. I guess I just don't get how that's worse than the afore mentioned crimes.

[RaiderJF]

2.48 M Cannon , OT/G TCU
- Tough one... I think Al's decision comes down to either size (Cannon), speed (Checkwa; best available sub 4.4 cb), or legacy (Wiz II). Cannon would fit Hue's "build a bully" plan at 350+ and we all know Al likes em to look good walking off the bus... but given that we don't have a first rounder, I think we may take the "safer pick" in Wiz who has the best chance to step into the starting line-up from day 1, but I like the big guy Cannon... The other guy I like is Jon Baldwin given his size and speed, but I think Al is committed to his current wr corp...

3.81 - Colin Kaepernick, QB Nevada
assuming we don't go Chekwa in our earlier pick, I don't think Al will be able to hold off to the 4th to go after the fastest corner (of decent skill) on the board in Skrine... but personally I would like the idea of either going Kaepernick or Jordan Cameron here (Z Miller insurance policy...) and waiting till the 4th for Skrine. I like the arm and athleticism of Kaepernick; sure some issues with his mechanics but I don't think they are as bad as what some folks are making out (and at the end of the day I think they are better than Campbell's mechanics...). And given our OL, we need 3 Qbs on the roster. However, I don't think Al would put this kind of heat on Campbell right now by bringing in a potential "QB of the future".

4.113 Buster Skrine, CB Chattanooga.
- we do need a fast corner to develop opposite Routt...

5.148 Sione Fua, DT Stanford
-Al's had some good DL picks in the 5th round, so why mess with a good thing... though my guess is he will not last this long.

6.181 Colin Jones, FS, TCU
- Lot of uncertainty right now at FS with Huff possibly/probably gone. Jones has the speed to make up ground as a single high.

7.218 Ricardo Lockette wr, FVS
- Size and speed, what more needs to be said...

7.240 Demarcus Van Dyke cb, miami
- Speed, what more needs to be said

[RaiderJF]

I think a little consensual incest should get a pass at some point.




If not, we will never see any NFL players from West Virginia!!

[RaiderJF]

2.48 M Cannon , OT/G TCU
- Tough one... I think Al's decision comes down to either size (Cannon), speed (Checkwa; best available sub 4.4 cb), or legacy (Wiz II). Cannon would fit Hue's "build a bully" plan at 350+ and we all know Al likes em to look good walking off the bus... but given that we don't have a first rounder, I think we may take the "safer pick" in Wiz who has the best chance to step into the starting line-up from day 1, but I like the big guy Cannon... The other guy I like is Jon Baldwin given his size and speed, but I think Al is committed to his current wr corp...

3.81 - Colin Kaepernick, QB Nevada
assuming we don't go Chekwa in our earlier pick, I don't think Al will be able to hold off to the 4th to go after the fastest corner (of decent skill) on the board in Skrine... but personally I would like the idea of either going Kaepernick or Jordan Cameron here (Z Miller insurance policy...) and waiting till the 4th for Skrine. I like the arm and athleticism of Kaepernick; sure some issues with his mechanics but I don't think they are as bad as what some folks are making out (and at the end of the day I think they are better than Campbell's mechanics...). And given our OL, we need 3 Qbs on the roster. However, I don't think Al would put this kind of heat on Campbell right now by bringing in a potential "QB of the future".

4.113 Buster Skrine, CB Chattanooga.
- we do need a fast corner to develop opposite Routt...

5.148 Sione Fua, DT Stanford
-Al's had some good DL picks in the 5th round, so why mess with a good thing... though my guess is he will not last this long.

6.181 Colin Jones, FS, TCU
- Lot of uncertainty right now at FS with Huff possibly/probably gone. Jones has the speed to make up ground as a single high.

7.218 Ricardo Lockette wr, FVS
- Size and speed, what more needs to be said...

7.240 Demarcus Van Dyke cb, miami
- Speed, what more needs to be said


Oops, looks like Kaepernic isn't available at #81, so I guess I will have to put Cameron into that slot.

[TheMadStork]

3.81 - Colin Kaepernick, QB Nevada
assuming we don't go Chekwa in our earlier pick, I don't think Al will be able to hold off to the 4th to go after the fastest corner (of decent skill) on the board in Skrine... but personally I would like the idea of either going Kaepernick or Jordan Cameron here (Z Miller insurance policy...) and waiting till the 4th for Skrine. I like the arm and athleticism of Kaepernick; sure some issues with his mechanics but I don't think they are as bad as what some folks are making out (and at the end of the day I think they are better than Campbell's mechanics...). And given our OL, we need 3 Qbs on the roster. However, I don't think Al would put this kind of heat on Campbell right now by bringing in a potential "QB of the future".


Hopefully, that's the very last thing Al is thinking. If Campbell can't handle competition from a rookie, how is he supposed to handle the pressure of taking a team to the playoffs? That's the kind of thing that's supposed to fire someone up and make them want to be better, not go stand in a corner whimpering.

[RaiderJF]

Hopefully, that's the very last thing Al is thinking. If Campbell can't handle competition from a rookie, how is he supposed to handle the pressure of taking a team to the playoffs? That's the kind of thing that's supposed to fire someone up and make them want to be better, not go stand in a corner whimpering.

I hear ya... unfortunately, the competition from Grads didn't elevate Campbell's play... it wasn't until Grads went out with injury that Campbell picked up his performance. Sure, may have been that Campbell was still just getting his feet wet with his new team, but even in Washington his play seemed to suffer when he was faced with some competition. Who knows, but he has always given me the impression that his confidence is a little fragile... and part of the reason why Hue and the organization seem to be going out of their way in stroking Campbell as "their guy" this offseason...

[hawaiianboy]

Lotta Buster Skrine love in here...

I take it that since so many of you would do it in a draft where you control exactly who you would take, that no one will bust a nut in pain if'n we really do? :D


One of you mods needs to 86 that Clausen pic... The brother on sister love is bad enough an image for one thread...

[Madturk]

Sister fucking isn't exactly something you can wrap your head around, but...come on. If we can kill a few hundred dogs, or commit drunken vehicular manslaughter, and still maintain a career, I think a little consensual incest should get a pass at some point.

Had this come to light after he was already under contract and playing well, it would have already been relegated to yesterday's news.

I'm not going to take a pro- sister fucking stance or anything, but damn. This is an interesting society we live in. We can forgive, even overlook, taking the lives of relatively innocent people, the maiming, torturing, and killing of animals for sport, and the obvious use of performance enhancing drugs. But put your dick somewhere it ought not go and you're blackballed for life. I guess I just don't get how that's worse than the afore mentioned crimes.

I certainly don't see this as being worse than what Donte Stallworth did. So the guy missed a season, any other person without his money would certainly be looking at 10-15 years for killing someone while under the influence..

IIRC, Washington was under age at the time this happened and the sex was consensual. I'm not condoning this either but the guy got his punishment. Isn't he entitled to try to make the best of his life?

[Sleet]

Al tolerates a lot of things. But sex, Al's old school. Ask Cable. Task likely is not down on Wash, either. Also think of the locker room, opposing players, rival fans, press. Huge distractions and bad PR. Its not right or logical, just reality.

[Byron2112]

I suppose the only thing Al has sex with is his SuperBowl XVIII ring?

[Postmaster]

Out of all the crazy shit I could see myself doing, fucking my sister isn't one of them.

I think that is the issue here. It is so taboo to fuck your sister (unless you live in Crow's neighborhood) it is hard to excuse.

The NFL doesn't want to deal with the embarrassment of a sister fucker. I believe the guy would be put on the sex offender list at which ever city he went to. That doesn't go over too well today no matter what the sex offense.

[TheMadStork]

Out of all the crazy shit I could see myself doing, fucking my sister isn't one of them.

I think that is the issue here. It is so taboo to fuck your sister (unless you live in Crow's neighborhood) it is hard to excuse.

The NFL doesn't want to deal with the embarrassment of a sister fucker. I believe the guy would be put on the sex offender list at which ever city he went to. That doesn't go over too well today no matter what the sex offense.

Should his sister be a sex offender, too? Who was the victim? Really, really bad judgement on both their parts, but no point in punishing him for the rest of his life and prohibiting from doing what he's good at.

I don't see where that's worse than anything Roethlisberger did, yet he only got a 4-game suspension. And if anyone tries to tell me Al wouldn't have traded for him because of that, I'd laugh in your face.

[Postmaster]

Should his sister be a sex offender, too? Who was the victim? Really, really bad judgement on both their parts, but no point in punishing him for the rest of his life and prohibiting from doing what he's good at.

I don't see where that's worse than anything Roethlisberger did, yet he only got a 4-game suspension. And if anyone tries to tell me Al wouldn't have traded for him because of that, I'd laugh in your face.

Unfortunately women get raped or taken advantage of all the time. I don't think sister fucking is a very common practice here.

To me it is the uniqueness of the offense that has blackballed the SF'er. People just don't want to hear about a guy who banged his sister.

He would of been better off raping his neighbor as f'ed up as that sounds.

[hawaiianboy]

Tony Washington played one year in high school, 2 years at a JC, two years at a D2 college and carried a 5-6 round draft grade... I can see why teams felt that there wasn't enough bang for their buck there as far as taking on all the kind of publicity and negative connotations that would come with adding someone with the incest stigma attached...

[007]

Tony Washington couldnt even cross the border to tryout for the CFL, so there are definite issues with what he did, whether its taboo or just flat out crazy.

I feel for the guy, but c'mon, you dont fuck your sister. (Unless you live in Crows area)

[Crow]

He would of been better off raping his neighbor as f'ed up as that sounds.

Pretty much sums up my point. How on earth is forcible rape more acceptable than two confused siblings consensually fucking?

This is why drugs are so popular, because reality is fucking retarded.

[Crow]

This guy wouldn't even be the most scandalous person in the bible.

[Postmaster]

Pretty much sums up my point. How on earth is forcible rape more acceptable than two confused siblings consensually fucking?

This is why drugs are so popular, because reality is fucking retarded.

Confused? :pound:

What the fuck is there to be confused about you backwards hillbilly?

[Madturk]

What about abusing a chicken?

[TheMadStork]

What about abusing a chicken?

Why did you have to go and drag X into this?

[Xplosive]

Why did you have to go and drag X into this?

you callin me a chicken boy?


X

[Sleet]

Ha, ha.

[Crow]

Confused? :pound:

What the fuck is there to be confused about you backwards hillbilly?

Did you ever even bother to read the story?

:shakehead:

[Postmaster]

Did you ever even bother to read the story?

:shakehead:

Sorry there is absolutely no excuse for fucking your sister. Maybe if some sick fuck puts a gun to your head but other than that where is the confusion?

I don't necessarily think the guy should be shunned from society forever but I do think there is something seriously wrong with someone who has consensual sex with his sister.

Step-sister is a different story.

[Postmaster]

Examining Oakland's choices at No. 48
By Bill Williamson

The Oakland Raiders are the only team in the NFL currently without a first-round pick. The New England Patriots own the No. 17 pick, which the Raiders sent them for defensive lineman Richard Seymour in September 2009.

The Raiders’ first pick in the April 28-30 draft will be No. 48 overall. We have been focusing on Penn State guard Stefen Wisniewski for Oakland during our AFC West mock draft series.

However, I wanted to look at some of the other names the Raiders could consider in the second round:

Clint Boling, OG, Georgia: He’s athletic and strong and should be available at No. 48.

Curtis Brown, CB Texas: He has excellent speed and good size. Looks to be a Raider-type CB.

Marcus Cannon, OG, TCU: A massive, strong player.

Bruce Carter LB, North Carolina: Some teams aren’t high on him, but he could be intriguing.

Quinton Carter, S, Oklahoma: One of the better safeties available.

Andy Dalton, QB, TCU: He doesn’t have a great arm, but he’s a winner.

Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia: One of the better second-round prospects at the position.

Orlando Franklin, OG, Miami: He could fit in with Oakland nicely.

Brandon Harris, CB, Miami: He’s small, but dynamic.

Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada: He could be the type of player Al Davis falls in love with.

Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State: Many scouts think he’ll be a NFL starter soon.

William Rackley, OG, Lehigh: A small-school standout such as Oakland tackle Jared Veldheer, who was taken in the third round last year.

Aaron Williams, CB, Texas: He’s a second-round quality cornerback.

[Crow]

Still not as a big a deal as actually killing someone. Right? Still not as much an issue as sexual assault. Right?

I'm just trying to clarify the scope of your moral compass here.

[Postmaster]

Still not as a big a deal as actually killing someone. Right? Still not as much an issue as sexual assault. Right?

I'm just trying to clarify the scope of your moral compass here.

It is not my moral compass, it is the NFL's moral compass. Big Ben and Stallworth went through the courts and even if they were guilty as hell they pretty much got off scot free.

Washington is a registered sex offender and that follows him where ever he goes. Big Ben and Stallworth are not registered sex offenders.

That is the issue an NFL team would have to wrestle with. Do we bring a known sex offender into our community? Is that fair to the community?

I am not a parent but if I was I would want as few sex offenders in my neighborhood as possible.

For the record I think Big Ben is a slimeball and that Stallworth should be in jail but they went through the proper protocol and got lucky not to be serving major time.

[TheMadStork]

I am not a parent but if I was I would want as few sex offenders in my neighborhood as possible.

Well, I am a parent with teenage daughters and I'd much rather have Washington in my neighborhood than Roethlisberger.

What you're saying, in effect, is that the sex offender tag is worse than anything that the person actually did. In other words, a rapist with a good lawyer is better than a dumb kid who didn't hurt anyone.

[007]

He fucked his sister dude.

I think we can just draft a long term developmental prospect this year who didnt plow a sibling.

[hawaiianboy]

Here's that Buster Skrine guy's video... (The music sucks balls)

Didn't see any press man coverage, but he'll come up and make a tackle at least...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2jksB_vrsM

[Sleet]

Bill W. doesn't have a clue who Al's going to draft.

[Crow]

Well, I am a parent with teenage daughters and I'd much rather have Washington in my neighborhood than Roethlisberger.

What you're saying, in effect, is that the sex offender tag is worse than anything that the person actually did. In other words, a rapist with a good lawyer is better than a dumb kid who didn't hurt anyone.

Indeed. How is bringing Washington into your community "unfair" to the community? He's not a threat to anyone, other than himself at this point.

Pitiful how people get so hung up on shit that doesn't matter.

[Postmaster]

Well, I am a parent with teenage daughters and I'd much rather have Washington in my neighborhood than Roethlisberger.

What you're saying, in effect, is that the sex offender tag is worse than anything that the person actually did. In other words, a rapist with a good lawyer is better than a dumb kid who didn't hurt anyone.

If you're an NFL owner and you sign the sister fucker what is your culpability if said registered sex offender slips up and assaults a woman. I would sue the hell out of the NFL for bringing this guy into my community if something like that were to happen. I am sure most owners feel it isn't worth the risk.

Moral of the story, don't fuck your sister.

[Postmaster]

Indeed. How is bringing Washington into your community "unfair" to the community? He's not a threat to anyone, other than himself at this point.

Pitiful how people get so hung up on shit that doesn't matter.

Honestly how do you know how much of a threat he is. Who knows what someone who fucks their sister is capable of?

[TheMadStork]

If you're an NFL owner and you sign the sister fucker what is your culpability if said registered sex offender slips up and assaults a woman. I would sue the hell out of the NFL for bringing this guy into my community if something like that were to happen. I am sure most owners feel it isn't worth the risk.

Moral of the story, don't fuck your sister.

And what is the Steelers' culpability if Roethlisberger assaults another woman?

[Postmaster]

And what is the Steelers' culpability if Roethlisberger assaults another woman?

How many convictions does he have on his record for sexual assault? How many does Washington have?

Ben has never been convicted which right or wrong makes all the difference in the world.

[Birdwell]

On Skrine: that highlight shows him to have some ball recognition and reaction skills.

Here's the thing about Tony Washington, and I write this as the father of two teenaged daughters: the kid has done nothing but atone for one bad mistake of judgment for the last 40% of his life. Absolutely NO REASON for his case to have been prosecuted as it was, no legal justification for his being permanently legally branded. None.

You see the pay attention to the whole story, you know this was about two kids living in an amotional war zone taking comfort in each other right at the time that adolecsent hormones are going off the charts. Human desire for closeness transformed by situation, with no one over the age of 14 to call it off. Anyone in a position of authority anywhere around them, nothing happens. Anyone showing love for them other than each other, and this doesn't happen. He doesn't devote his life to taking care of his family, this doesn't happen.

Ben Roethlisberger isn't remotely sorry for what he did, any of the (what is four times that we know about) incidents. The difference between Big Ben and Tony Washington is primarily money. Give Washington a few million to potentially pay legal fees, and this is AT BEST a sealed juvie conviction and he's in the clear. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't fuel a drug war that is costing thousands of lives a year. He didn't torture/murder hundreds of animals. Remember all the stories about how Vick was going to be a PR nightmare for any team that signed him -- that just went away when so many people vouched for him being contrite and repentant. And it only took four years.

Nine years and counting for Tony Washington. And he does not whine about the unfairness of it all, does not blame anyone, just continues to work his butt off trying to keep the dream alive. And the 5th-6th round draft grade is garbage, I'd seen him taken anywhere in the mocks from very late second to early fourth, most in the third (ahead of Veldheer). He's about as worthy of a 5th-6th round grade as his college teammate Johnny Knox was -- and Washington was the more polished player coming out.

It's not about a sex crime -- otherwise the adult offenders would not be in the league. It's about taboo.

[007]

He doesnt whine about it because he knows what he did was wrong and will haunt him for the rest of his life.

Its just something you dont do. Period.

I read the back story he told about his hormones and emotions, but its just the way it is.

Every GM/Owner knew that bringing in a UDFA like him would probably cause a lot more negative press than it was worth.

[Birdwell]

007, it was consensual, and it involved his sister's hormones, too.

And you and I both know in life people who caused their own problems who blame everyone but themselves. Maybe what Washington is doing is not praiseworthy in that respect, but it is relatively rare. And I still don't see why his issue is more of a problem than Roethlisberger's -- except that Big Ben had enough money to make his problem go away. Hell, remember that Steeler video using the Hitler bunker scene? That was made by a rabd Pittsburgh fan, and even he took a dig that had a woman in tears thinking about Roethlisberger had done.

I dunno about your last point. The program Barry Switzer was running the last two or three years at Oklahoma had all sorts of sexual misconduct, including drug-induced gang rape, and guys associated with that got drafted.

[007]

The last point is the most important.

The type of bad pub this signing would have brought wasnt worth taking a flier on the guy.

Media outlets, news reporters, column writers, comedians and fans would have ripped the team and player apart.

It would have come up in damn near every interview in training camp...It could have distracted and caused a ton of unneccesary BS from a UDFA signing.

Not worth it.

He made his bed (Fucked his sister in it) and has to lie in it now.

[RaiderRobert]

Here's that Buster Skrine guy's video... (The music sucks balls)

Didn't see any press man coverage, but he'll come up and make a tackle at least...

[QUOTE=Birdwell;217833]On Skrine: that highlight shows him to have some ball recognition and reaction skills.

I'll see your Buster Skrine and raise you a Shareece Wright...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq13iz0IyTg

[fade2black24]

USC sent Wright on the blitz quite a bit. Appears he has solid instinct and flashes a nice burst. Did not see a lot of man to man coverage in the video. He looks great reading the play in front of him.

Seems like more of a zone corner. Could be wrong. Seems like a guy, as a GM, I would take a flyer on in the 3rd round. Could turn out to be a solid player.

[NIPS]

I tellya a kid that might really be a nice find in rd 6 or 7 is the kid from Arkansas- Ramon Broadway- fast kid, good size and a good young prospect to develop

[CrossBones]

...fast kidDone.

[Madturk]

Skrines reminds me a little of Meangelo Hall. Ball Hawk, playmaker type but not very physical, although it doesn't appear he's afraid of contact. Looks a little smallish as we've got some pretty good size receivers in our division.

I'll defer to Mayock on him. Worth a look but not in the 2nd or 3rd round.

[NIPS]

Want my Robbins back man

Hearing great things about the kid from "The Rock"

Will have no problem with Cannon, Fusco and McElroy 2,3 and 4

Defense be damned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-oyDfPkV-A

[Postmaster]

TonyPauline: Shareece Wright/CB/USC was injured @pro-day. His foot was caught during one of the drills and Wright said he heard something go "pop"

TonyPauline: More on Shareece Wright/CB/USC- obviously the injury is serious as he laid on the field for a while before being helped off by trainers.

USC_Athletics: After initial medical evaluation, no apparent ligament damage to Shareece Wright's left knee. Appears to be pulled hamstring.

Looks like Shareece dodged a bullet.

[CrossBones]

"The Rock"The Rock?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr8glaM4ruM

[NIPS]

The Rock?

As in Slippery.. and fer ya gay posters here (You know who ya is)..

Slippery Dick

[RaiderJF]

[quote=hawaiianboy;217823]Here's that Buster Skrine guy's video... (The music sucks balls)

Didn't see any press man coverage, but he'll come up and make a tackle at least...



I'll see your Buster Skrine and raise you a Shareece Wright...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq13iz0IyTg

Only plays in coverage that Wright made in this clip seems to be against TEs. Makes him seem more like a safety prospect than a corner...

[RaiderJF]

Here's that Buster Skrine guy's video... (The music sucks balls)

Didn't see any press man coverage, but he'll come up and make a tackle at least...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2jksB_vrsM

Plays pretty physical for a "speed guy" and looks like he has good ball skills. Doesn't look lost in coverage which at this point would put him ahead of where Routt was coming out of college...

[RaiderJF]

Want my Robbins back man

Hearing great things about the kid from "The Rock"

Will have no problem with Cannon, Fusco and McElroy 2,3 and 4

Defense be damned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-oyDfPkV-A

Looks like he has decent size and good feet. Unfortunately hard to tell if he has the strength to play against big NFL DTs from this DII play, but obviously was dominant at DII level. Anybody recall how this guy did at the Senior Bowl?

[Madturk]

JF, you live in Sarasota bro?

Dumbass Bones, take that Charger shit off my posts. This is what happens when a senior citizen has too much time on his hands. Go volunteer at the hospital or something.

[RaiderJF]

JF, you live in Sarasota bro?

Dumbass Bones, take that Charger shit off my posts. This is what happens when a senior citizen has too much time on his hands. Go volunteer at the hospital or something.

Yep, moved down here a couple of years ago from up north. Can't beat it.

[RaiderJF]

Al generally likes big C's... Mosebar was like 6'6", Robbins went 330#. Wiz II is about the biggest in this class at 6'3" 313 but he may be better suited at G. Moffitt has some experience at C and is a little bigger at 6'4" 319 so he might be more in line with what Al is after at the pivot. I could also see Al looking to convert a college LT to C if he could find someone later rounds around 6'5 330 lbs with good athleticism, but not sure that guy exists in this draft class.

[Madturk]

Yep, moved down here a couple of years ago from up north. Can't beat it.

For sure, been here 16 years

[Sleet]

Al generally likes big C's... Mosebar was like 6'6", Robbins went 330#. Wiz II is about the biggest in this class at 6'3" 313 but he may be better suited at G. Moffitt has some experience at C and is a little bigger at 6'4" 319 so he might be more in line with what Al is after at the pivot. I could also see Al looking to convert a college LT to C if he could find someone later rounds around 6'5 330 lbs with good athleticism, but not sure that guy exists in this draft class.

Al had a string of great C. He drafted Grove to be the next. Man, we are in need of a baller at this position, no doubt.

[Birdwell]

Al had a string of great C. He drafted Grove to be the next. Man, we are in need of a baller at this position, no doubt.

I had a guy like that at my pick for the 7th round Comp: Trevis Turner out of Abilene Christian. How does 6'7" and 342 with excellent bend sound?

As a UDFA, red-flag machine (who was also injured late in his last season) Jarriel King out of the USC of the East goes 6'5" 317 and is both super-raw and super-athletic. Could probably put on another 15 pounds below the waiste and be a better interior lineman.

[Byron2112]

This thread has gotten my juices flowing for Lil' Al... this draft has allotta athletic DT's man... I think we can score some real talented players with our picks... even missing the 1st round.

I'm kind of excited about this draft... seems pretty deep.

[fade2black24]

This thread has gotten my juices flowing for Lil' Al... this draft has allotta athletic DT's man... I think we can score some real talented players with our picks... even missing the 1st round.

I'm kind of excited about this draft... seems pretty deep.

Count me in as well. The draft is my favorite time of the year. I love spending time researching players and constructing my own draft board. I can't wait for the end of the month. Should be a fun 3 days. Hopefully the Raiders don't let us down.

[Byron2112]

Count me in as well. The draft is my favorite time of the year. I love spending time researching players and constructing my own draft board.

Yeah, me too man.

One thing I ran across that made sense, and is kind of a bummer, is TSN talking about the Steelers taking Wiz.02 at #31 to play next to Pouncey... I really could see that.... he is just the sort of real smart/polished O-lineman they like, and they have a great need.

[hawaiianboy]

walterfootball
Mike Mayock: In my opinion, Marvin Austin is back in the first round. I'll be really surprised if he doesn't go somewhere between 20-32

[007]

His combine performance relative to his size/position is among the best all time, IMO.

Makes sense.

[Langlier]

This is easily the deepest class of DL period I have ever witnessed.

harder then heck to rank them

[fade2black24]

This is easily the deepest class of DL period I have ever witnessed.

harder then heck to rank them

I agree. Definitely think the Raiders need to get a DT and possibly a DE in this draft. John Henderson is older and cannot be counted on for a full season. He may just be a one year rental for this upcoming season. I think you gotta bring in a young NT type to fill out this DT rotation. Strike while the crop is plentiful.

I also think it makes sense to bring in a pass rushing DE like we had with Derrick Burgess a few years back.

[Byron2112]

This is easily the deepest class of DL period I have ever witnessed.

harder then heck to rank them

I agree man... ironic that we're currently looking good there after years of starvation.

I think we'll still get in on the party though 'casue Al's loves 'em...

Definitely think the Raiders need to get a DT and possibly a DE in this draft. John Henderson is older and cannot be counted on for a full season. He may just be a one year rental for this upcoming season. I think you gotta bring in a young NT type to fill out this DT rotation. Strike while the crop is plentiful.

I also think it makes sense to bring in a pass rushing DE like we had with Derrick Burgess a few years back.

right on!

[RaiderRobert]

walterfootball

His combine performance relative to his size/position is among the best all time, IMO.

Makes sense.

This is easily the deepest class of DL period I have ever witnessed.

harder then heck to rank them

As bad as I want and think we must go OL, if Marvin Austin is sitting there at #48, we just HAVE TO take him, right?

[fade2black24]

As bad as I want and think we must go OL, if Marvin Austin is sitting there at #48, we just HAVE TO take him, right?

I see no problem stacking up the D-Line and the front 7 for that matter. It seems that is what successful teams have done in the past decade. Look at Pittsburgh and Baltimore. They continuously load up on front 7 talent. I love this model of building a successful defense. When an offense can't run the ball on your defense, it makes it incredibly difficult to pass the ball.

IMO, it wouldn't be a big deal if we waited until the 3rd or 4th round to select an offensive lineman, especially when a stud DT is sitting there. Otherwise it would make sense to draft a highly rated OL prospect, considering the need.

[007]

I wouldnt take Marvin Austin because HB has pimped a bunch of those UNC guys for two years, so he would be all smug and cocky (Even more than usual)

In all seriousness though, the dude is a beast.

I like Carter, Little, TJ Yates, Austin and would have no problem drafting any of 'em (I think Deunta Williams is a tweener though and I'm not a big fan)

[RaiderRobert]

I really like Greg Little too. After watching him in last years Bowl game, I was in love. Reminds me of what Chaz could be if he was able to play. Wouldn't mind at all a draft where we take both of those guys because they slipped down to us as value picks.

[Byron2112]

I see no problem stacking up the D-Line and the front 7 for that matter. It seems that is what successful teams have done in the past decade. Look at Pittsburgh and Baltimore. They continuously load up on front 7 talent. I love this model of building a successful defense. When an offense can't run the ball on your defense, it makes it incredibly difficult to pass the ball.

IMO, it wouldn't be a big deal if we waited until the 3rd or 4th round to select an offensive lineman, especially when a stud DT is sitting there. Otherwise it would make sense to draft a highly rated OL prospect, considering the need.



Check out this run a picks on the D-line...



1984) 2.51 Sean Jones, DE Northeastern

1983) 2.54 Bill Pickel, NT Rutgers

1983) 4.110 Greg Townsend DE TCU

1981) 2.48 Howie Long, DE Villanova


:beerbang::beerbang::beerbang:

[Byron2112]

:sigh:

God I miss when Al Davis was smarter than everyone else...

[Postmaster]

http://theredzonereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/powe1.jpg

Jerrell Powe is a fucking stump.

[fade2black24]

http://theredzonereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/powe1.jpg

Jerrell Powe is a fucking stump.

I dig it

With him we could possibly give some 3-4 looks with him at NT

I can dream

[Postmaster]

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jerrell-powe?id=2495217#tabs:tab-analysis

Overview
Powe could become an effective run-stopping, two-gap defensive tackle or possibly a 3-4 nose tackle due to his tremendous size and lower body strength. Usually requires a double team in the running game. Does more than just eat space, he can penetrate and also make some plays outside the box. Can push the pocket with his bull rush but needs to polish up his technique and moves. Like many other bid-bodied DT's, needs to watch his conditioning level. Gets plays off and becomes less dominant against the run later in games. Powe could entice a team to select him as high as the second round.

[BigTron]

I like M.Austin but the UNC guy who might be there for our 2nd is Bruce Carter. He has all the things Al Davis likes too... size and decent speed. He is a solid cover guy too. He would round out the front 7 nicely.

[Sleet]

So, 007, what is the concensus?

The winners are?

[007]

So, 007, what is the concensus?

The winners are?

Tons of great ones.

I think mine was the worst, LOL!

I like the out of the box thinking on some of them, because you know Al will throw all of us a curveball.

[hawaiianboy]

So, 007, what is the concensus?

The winners are?


I assume you meant to ask whose are the best after the all knowing HB's?

[Sleet]

I assume you meant to ask whose are the best after the all knowing HB's?

I was asking about top down, not bottom up. :D

[Crow]

Tony Washington just got ejected. Throwing hands with a DE. I like that quality in a sister fucker.

[NIPS]

I like M.Austin but the UNC guy who might be there for our 2nd is Bruce Carter. He has all the things Al Davis likes too... size and decent speed. He is a solid cover guy too. He would round out the front 7 nicely.

Dude is a stud- I'm all over getting Cannon in rd 2, but if he falls to 48, ya just gotta take the dude- he's a f'n stud, ....fast, ...instinctive.. Dude was a sure top 10 pick until is ACL

I'd send the best doctors I had to go check him out- Him and Ro at backers is bonerville

He's everything we were hoping to get out of Howard

[Crow]

Be hard to drop that pick on a guy coming off an ACL, though. 3rd round, sure. But the first pick? Eh...

[BigTron]

Rumors of B.Carter not being ready for this potential season

[Crow]

So you go Cannon in Rd5, Carter in Rd6, give them the Michael Bush treatment, and call it a win.

[Limee]

2.48: OT Franklin I like Rackley more as a prospect, but Franklin's ability to play OT edged it. He and Campbell can battle it out with the loser going to guard. Gives us options if Veldheer gets injured.

3.81: OG/C Moffitt Satele's long term replacement who can also fit in at Guard.

4.113: TE Green Gives us another nice receiving option at TE.

5.148: CB Skrine We are going corner at some point and Skrine has special teams value.

6.181: OLB Herzlich I don't believe he was back to his best yet.

7.218: RB Devine Mismatch player for the offense.

7.240: OG Henry Big nasty guard.

[Crow]

Rankings updated. All entries now deemed null and void.

[Birdwell]

Rankings updated. All entries now deemed null and void.

Funny.

Went back and checked, and except for my mistake (due to reading stupidly), my enrtry is as valid as before. That is, Brandon Fisco has climbed a little higher than when he was unavailable anyway, but Jake Kirkpatrick is still available where I revised.

See you draft Saturday, bror.