Little Wiz

[Postmaster]

Wisniewski likes family ties
Tuesday, February 22, 2011
By Ron Musselman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. -- Penn State All-American offensive lineman Stefen Wisniewski doesn't want to get too far ahead of himself.

But ever since his uncle, Steve, was named assistant offensive line coach for the Oakland Raiders late last month, Stefen frequently has thought about the possibility of wearing a silver and black NFL uniform this fall.

Wisniewski, a Central Catholic High School graduate, is ranked the No. 1 center in the country by NFLDraftScout.com and is projected as a second-round pick.

"I don't know anything at this point about where I will get drafted or who will draft me," he said. "But you never know. It would be pretty cool to play for my uncle Steve. I think it would be awesome to work with him every day.

"He was a great player for the Raiders, a great leader. I used to go watch him play some when I was a kid, and I'd hang out in the locker room afterward."

The Raiders traded away their first-round pick in the draft to acquire defensive lineman Richard Seymour and will not choose until No. 48 (in the second round).

There is an outside shot that Wisniewski could fall to Oakland, where Steve was an eight-time Pro Bowl guard in 13 seasons after earning All-American honors twice with the Nittany Lions.

"The Raiders need some inside interior linemen, so there's definitely a possibility Stefen could end up there," said agent Eddie Johnson of Eastern Athletic Services, the firm representing Wisniewski. "The Tennessee Titans and Indianapolis Colts also are possibilities because of their Penn State connections with [head coaches] Mike Munchak and Jim Caldwell."

Johnson, a defensive back, played on Penn State's 1986 national championship team with Steve Wisniewski.

"There are a lot of similarities between Stefen and Steve," Johnson said. "They're both very smart, both very well-respected. And they both play with a lot of intensity on the football field."

Stefen Wisniewski also has learned many valuable lessons from his father, Leo, a Fox Chapel High School graduate who was a tri-captain at Penn State in 1981 and spent three years as a nose tackle with the Baltimore and Indianapolis Colts before knee injuries ended his career.

Leo and Steve, who played high school football in Houston, were both second-round NFL draft picks.

"My dad and uncle have been great teachers through the years, and they both have taught me so much about football," Stefen Wisniewski said. "I've been very blessed in that regard."

Wisniewski, 6 feet 3 and 310 pounds, was a three-year starter at Penn State and a two-time All-Big Ten Conference selection. He made 39 career starts, playing right guard in 2008 and '10 and center in '09.

"I'm not sure what position I'll play in the NFL," said Wisniewski, who also was a three-time Academic All-American. "I think it all depends on what team drafts me."

He has been in Florida since Penn State's 37-24 loss to the Florida Gators in the Outback Bowl New Year's Day and has been training at the Athletes' Performance facility in Pensacola.

Wisniewski elected to skip the postseason all-star games in order to prepare for the NFL Scouting Combine, which starts Wednesday in Indianapolis, and Pro Day March 16 at Penn State.

"People have told me the combine is like a decathlon," Wisniewski said. "You don't have to win, but you have to do well in every event, and that's the attitude I am taking there."

Record-setting tailback Evan Royster, who scored a touchdown in the East-West Shrine Game, is the only other Penn State player who will attend the combine.

Royster, 6-1, 218, was a three-time All-Big Ten selection and finished as the Lions' career rushing leader with 3,932 yards. NFLDraftScout.com ranks Royster, who has been working out at a different location in Florida, the 16th-best running back in the NFL draft and a fifth- or sixth-round selection.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11053/1127051-143.stm#ixzz1EiJCj3dF

[RaiderRobert]

Is there a smiley that drools and cums all over himself? Until there is, I guess I gotta go with... :banana:

Little Wiz is my Big Al selection and I've been dreaming of this since his sophmore year. Come on Al, keep the hits coming...

[Madturk]

I don't think too many would argue with the selection of Wiz. Raider pedigree, seems to be a pretty well rounded kid, can play both G-C. Probably needs to get a little stronger.

[007]

I rag on him for sure because I think people are enticed by his name rather than his skill set, but I wouldnt complain one bit.

I think he can start and I think he fills a big need.

Whats there to complain about, LOL!

[Sleet]

Not sure about the decision not to play in the E-W Shrine game to train for the combine. It seems to me putting together some good tape against quality competition is what I would have wanted to see if I were a GM. Sort of resting on tape of league games and his name?

[hawaiianboy]

Great kid... I'm looking forward to seeing how he measures at the combine... I have a feeling he's been under 290 in college, be nice if he could play in the 305-310 range...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YaslZQO3ew

[BigTron]

I would like this pick, but i think Al Davis will pass him for some huge run blocking line-man to fit the new scheme

[007]

Yeah Tronner, sign me up for a guy like Marcus Cannon or John Moffitt. instead, if I had the choice.

330 pounds of power and athleticism.

[Postmaster]

Yeah Tronner, sign me up for a guy like Marcus Cannon or John Moffitt. instead, if I had the choice.

330 pounds of power and athleticism.

Marcus Cannon seconded.

[Crow]

I'll take 2.

[RaiderRobert]

It will all come down to whether Gallery stays or goes. If he stays, we then need to see what the deal is with BC. I think BC is a T, others say he is a G. What do our coaches think? I think we need to take 2. Wiz and Moffit would be serious upgrades over Satele and Carlisle. If Gallery walks we need to grab 3. Whether its a G or T will be determined by the BC question answered. Wiz and Moffit can both be very good G or C. Both are bigger and more in line with the power we will be running. Pretty unrealistic based on past draft history, but taking Wiz and Moffit with our 1st 2 picks would be a Home Run on par or maybe even bigger than last years successful draft...

[Crow]

I'm for it.

[Postmaster]

Report: Cannon played at nearly 375 pounds
TCU G/T Marcus Cannon reportedly played last season at roughly 375 pounds.
Weight is an obvious concern for one of the 2011 draft's top "bigguns," but Cannon is expected to be "well below that" at this week's Combine weigh-in. Cannon played right and left tackle for the Horned Frogs, finishing his career on Andy Dalton's blind side. He projects to play guard in the pros. Feb 23, 1:45 PM

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BEEFY!

[NIPS]

Much rather get the twin Pouncey from Florida

[Postmaster]

Much rather get the twin Pouncey from Florida

Not happening with the 48th pick.

[007]

Cannon carries 350 better than damn near any player I've seen in college.

He isnt a sloppy, soft Andre Smith 350.

[Postmaster]

http://otrsportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/AndreSmith.jpg

[NIPS]

http://otrsportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/AndreSmith.jpg

He aint gonna pass the "pencil test" eh?

[RaiderRobert]

Wonder who came up with the smart idea to have him run that without a shirt on...:shakehead:

[NIPS]

Not happening with the 48th pick.

Is the new CBA now restricting teams from making draft day deals to trade??

[Postmaster]

Is the new CBA now restricting teams from making draft day deals to trade??

Why stop at Pouncey? Maybe we can get Newton and Fairley too.

[NIPS]

Why stop at Pouncey? Maybe we can get Newton and Fairley too.

:nono:

[Postmaster]

:nono:

What? The new CBA doesn't allow draft day trades?

[TheMadStork]

Can we have a moratorium on the man-boobs, please?

[Raidervinny]

Is the new CBA now restricting teams from making draft day deals to trade??

Sort of...trades of current and future picks would be allowed but trades of players for picks would not.

5. The draft would proceed, but with no player trades.

The only good news in the event of a lockout that wipes out the offseason is that the draft will still happen. As Charley Casserly of CBS pointed out last month, only the draft would happen. The flurry of signings of undrafted players immediately after the draft wouldn’t. Those players would remain unaffiliated until the lockout ends.

Though trades of current and future draft picks would be permitted on draft day, no players could be traded during the draft.

This will turn the offseason flow upside down. Typically, teams attempt via nearly two months of free agency to fill certain holes on the roster. Likewise, free-agency departures create other voids to fill. The draft allows teams to focus on adding players in specific areas of need. For 2011, the first crack at addressing those needs will come in late April with the draft, forcing teams to make decisions without knowing when or if they’ll be able to retain their free agents, or to sign new ones.

Though most teams seem to be content to wait to attempt to sign their own free agents after the labor situation is settled, the smart move may be to make the decisions now about the free agents that a team would like to keep, and to sign them to new contracts before March 4. Any team that follows that approach, however, would likely draw dirty looks at league meetings, since new contracts surely would include signing bonuses — which would make it easier for those players to hunker down once a lockout extends into the regular season.

[hawaiianboy]

If Cincy has given up on Andre Smith, we should send them a 5th for that sloppy mofo, kick him inside to guard and issue him Frank Middleton's fat guy stuff...

Of course that's if the CBA crap ever gets worked out...

[CrossBones]

If that happens I want to have a re-count of the Ll Al contest for that year. I would have won. :mad:

[NIPS]

If Cincy has given up on Andre Smith, we should send them a 5th for that sloppy mofo, kick him inside to guard and issue him Frank Middleton's fat guy stuff...

Of course that's if the CBA crap ever gets worked out...


I was beating Coop down hard- and this needs to be addressed here on this forum...

I was... wro...wro... hard for me to say.. woh...

Wrong

I tossed out my back a couple weeks back and was popping doans like frekin tic tacs.. it was raining for those three days.. wife at work, kid in school

Just me, with a F'ed up back laying on the couch with my hand in my sweat pants juggling balls.. watched like 10 hours of all the Raider games

It was beautiful man

Gotta tellya-

Coop had a very good season...

[Crow]

wat

[Postmaster]

• At center, where the Dolphins will explore upgrades over Joe Berger, Penn State’s Stefen Wisniewski “is the No. 1 guy and he’s, at best, a third-rounder,’’ Sports Illustrated’s Tony Pauline said. FSU’s Rodney Hudson, who could play guard or center, should go by the second round but is lighter (283 pounds) than Miami typically prefers.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/23/2080253/draft-might-not-fill-miami-dolphins.html#ixzz1Et8FnLKH

[Sleet]

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/23/2080253/draft-might-not-fill-miami-dolphins.html#ixzz1Et8FnLKH

If Al/Wylie like the kid, not sure Al could hold his water that long. But, then again, Al did so with Houston and picked up an extra pick.

[hawaiianboy]

Great weigh in:

WesBunting Wesley Bunting
Little surprised to see #PennState OL Stefen Wisniewski at 313 pounds, was 6030 and a respectable 33 inch arms #NFLDRAFT should help stock

[Madturk]

No way he lasts until the 3rd round

[007]

I'm glad he was 6-3 313, damn solid there.

[Sleet]

Now he just has to piss clean. ;)

[007]

Guys beef up before the combine.

Tyron Smith, probably the top tackl played at 280 at USC...Weighed 307 today, LOL.

I'm surpised everybody's favorite sleeper Ben Ijalana came in at 6-3 313 looks like an OG now...

[Postmaster]

Penn State's Stefen Wisniewski would be perfect fit for Oakland Raiders
By Jerry McDonald
Oakland Tribune


INDIANAPOLIS -- It is almost too perfect.

The Raiders have their first selection in the 2011 NFL draft in the second round, No. 48 overall.

Their offensive line could be short a pair of starting guards. Among the new coaches on staff is assistant line coach and Raiders legend Steve Wisniewski.

Rather than slip into the "I don't worry about what I can't control" mode invoked by so many others at the NFL scouting combine, Penn State interior lineman Stefen Wisniewski doesn't need to be prodded into obvious speculation.

He'd love to be drafted by the Raiders.

"That would be awesome," Stefen Wisniewski said. "I couldn't think of a better guy to work for. He's an eight-time Pro Bowler. He's my uncle. There are certainly implications when you get coached by a family member.

"Anyone who has played for their father might know what that's like. But yes, I'd love to play for my uncle."

Stefen knows what it's like to deal with a football legacy. His father, Leo, played defensive line at Penn State and graduated in 1982. Steve followed suit and was a two-time All-America selection before moving on to the NFL in 1989.

"They kind of stared me in the face every day," Stefen said. "Walking down the hallway my uncle's picture is real big up there on the wall. My dad's up there. So I got constant reminders of what they've done. I used it to motivate me, to match or exceed what they've done."

Raiders fans who fondly remember the days of Steve Wisniewski drilling an unsuspecting defender into the turf a fraction of a second before the whistle -- and occasionally after it -- would experience a strong sense of déjà vu if Stefen came aboard.

Steve Wisniewski was one of the more interesting characters on the Raiders because he had an old-school mentality and quiet, spiritual demeanor in the locker room only to unleash something entirely different on game day.

Former Raiders linebacker Richard Harvey once explained that he despised Wisniewski all the way up to the time where he became his teammate. When Harvey joined the Raiders, the first person he sought out was Wisniewski so he could shake his hand and tell him how happy he was to be on the same team.

Stefen Wisniewski has taught 10th-grade English as a student teacher at a high school in State College, Pa., is involved in Habitat for Humanity and has accompanied his father and uncle on Christian mission trips to the Dominican Republic.

Penn State running back Evan Royster sounded a lot like any number of Steve Wisniewski's teammates when describing Stefen.

"He is a quiet dude, but he is a monster on the field," Royster said. "He's not a dirty player, but he definitely plays with a lot of pride and emotion."

Steve Wisniewski incurred $65,000 in fines over a five-week period in 1996 for illegal blocks and was widely regarded as one of the NFL's dirtiest players, a reputation that stuck with him even as he was rarely penalized toward the end of his 13-year career.

When asked about it, Stefen Wisniewski broke into a grin.

"It's funny because of the way he explains it," Stefen said with a roll of the eyes, "that it was a bad rap and it was all bogus and they were all misunderstandings. So I just laugh about it."

Stefen, a two-time All-Big Ten selection, is being projected by most analysts as a second-round pick. That sounds about right since both Leo (who played for the Baltimore and Indianapolis Colts) and Steve (drafted by Dallas and immediately traded to the Raiders) were both picked in the second round.

Once the NFL and players union reach a collective bargaining agreement, starting left guard Robert Gallery is scheduled for unrestricted free agency. So is right guard Cooper Carlisle, who isn't expected to return as the Raiders continue to transition from a strictly zone blocking team to one that employs more power blocking schemes.

It's easy to envision Stefen Wisniewski stepping in at any of the three spots in the middle of the Raiders line. Oakland interviewed Stefen on Thursday and according to one source was extremely impressed.

"Oh, I know exactly who he is," coach Hue Jackson said. "He's 6-foot-3, 316 pounds and he'll hit you, there's no doubt. "... He's a very talented young man; it's going to be fun to watch him go through this process."

[RaiderJF]

After watching the combine workouts, I'm thinking Wiz 2 could very well be available in round 3.

[RaiderRobert]

After watching the combine workouts, I'm thinking Wiz 2 could very well be available in round 3.

He's got good across the board measurables.

Player College Height Weight Arm Length Hand Length 40 Yard Reps Vertical Shuttle Cone
Broad Jump



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Ryan Bartholomew Syracuse 6'1 302 33 3/4 9 5/8 4.97 34 26.5 4.62 7.62 7'8

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Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock 6'4 306 33 3/4 10 5.21 28.5 4.43 7.29 9'0

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Jason Kelce Cincinnati 6'2 5/8 280 32 1/2 9 1/2 4.93 30.5 4.14 7.22 9'2

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Alex Linnenkohl Oregon State 6'1 3/4 304 31 3/8 9 1/4 5.37 26.5 4.62 7.67 7'5

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Kristofer O'Dowd USC 6'4 1/8 304 32 1/2 9 1/2 5.16 31 32.5 4.59 7.67 8'9

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Mike Pouncey Florida 6'5 303 32 1/4 9 3/4 5.28 - 25 4.64 7.66 8'0

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Zane Taylor Utah 6'2 1/2 309 33 10 1/4 5.61 33 25.5 4.77 8.15 8'8

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Zack Williams Washington St. 6'3 309 33 1/4 9 1/2 5.27 28 30 8'7

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Stefan Wisniewski Penn State 6'3 313 33 10 3/8 5.35 30 28.5 4.63 7.51 8'4


Draft Insiders kinda slammed him though...

Stefen Wisniewski/Penn State – Showed no explosion, not fluid and displayed poor footwork.

Wonder if he just had a bad day or something. He is known for his good technique and ability...

[BigTron]

He's just making sure he slips to Oakland in Rnd 2. Inside trading

[RaiderJF]

Just didn't really stand out though... Also noticed that Schramm doesn't even have him in his list of top 100 guys -- this would put him into round 4...

[Sleet]

Just didn't really stand out though... Also noticed that Schramm doesn't even have him in his list of top 100 guys -- this would put him into round 4...

I'd be happy coming away with both the Dancing Bear and the little Wiz from this draft.

[RaiderJF]

I'd be happy coming away with both the Dancing Bear and the little Wiz from this draft.

No doubt!

[godeep811]

The concerns with Stefen Wisniewski is lack of power at the point of attack. Didn't we have this issue with Jake Grove?

[Postmaster]

Marcus Cannon in the 2nd
Little Wiz in the 3rd
Whoever we draft in the 4th is a guaranteed stud.

We good.

[hawaiianboy]

Good tape + great attitude + good genes = We'd be lucky as hell if Wiz makes it to 48

[Sleet]

Good tape + great attitude + good genes = We'd be lucky as hell if Wiz makes it to 48

Gil Brandt doesn't have Wiz in his Top 100, either. Sure, somebody might take him higher for the reasons you indicate, but I prefer the Dancing Bear. The SC and TCU centers, as well as the workout/combine warrior, will likely be there in the 4th, so, I don't see the need to reach for Wiz.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e75a7b/article/on-ability-alone-these-are-top-prospects-of-2011-nfl-draft

[hawaiianboy]

Gil Brandt doesn't have Wiz in his Top 100, either. Sure, somebody might take him higher for the reasons you indicate, but I prefer the Dancing Bear. The SC and TCU centers, as well as the workout/combine warrior, will likely be there in the 4th, so, I don't see the need to reach for Wiz.





The HB guide has Wis and John Moffitt in his Top 100 and it also says that the SC center (O'Dowd)is a complete spare who has no business being mentioned in the same breath with either...


If we do draft Cannon, who I like, that Dancing Bear nickname has gotta go...

[007]

Yeah that Dancing Bear thing is terrible, cringe worthy stuff...

I like Wiz, I don't know if he's a top fifty guy but it wouldnt kill me to take him at 48. People are over analyzing him I think. He checked in bigger than we all thought. He has a great resume, top notch tape, he's got the blood lines and the nasty streak we want...

O'Dowd really surpised me yesterday. Good forty time, 31 reps on the BP. You watch him at the senior bowl though and he couldnt hold his own with the big boys. I question his power at the pivot spot.

Joseph Barksdale and James Brewer fit what we're looking for, IMO.

Jah Reid is a name to keep on our radar too.

[Postmaster]

The HB guide has Wis and John Moffitt in his Top 100 and it also says that the SC center (O'Dowd)is a complete spare who has no business being mentioned in the same breath with either...


If we do draft Cannon, who I like, that Dancing Bear nickname has gotta go...

Can I order HB's Free Agent Guide? I need a few good laughs.

Beast Mode! :pound:

[NIPS]

First time in 5 years I missed the combines- just aint a' feelin it this year

In limp dick mode

[TheMadStork]

First time in 5 years I missed the combines- just aint a' feelin it this year

In limp dick mode

I never pay attention to the combines. You tell what kind of a football player a guy is by watching him play football, not run around in shorts. If I had a dime for every million dollars that teams have wasted on workout warriors, I'd be retired in Bali now.

On the other hand, the Wonderlic results are always fun. You always get a few guys that are about one wrong answer away from being classified as a vegetable.

[hawaiianboy]

Can I order HB's Free Agent Guide?

No more guides for your dumbass... The HB Guide to Picking Up Women didn't work for you either and that was supposed to be 100% foolproof... Guess I didn't quite account for dealing with a fool on your level...



. You tell what kind of a football player a guy is by watching him play football, not run around in shorts.

I would high five you, but I don't think I like the rumors of where you hands have been...

[Sleet]

I would high five you, but I don't think I like the rumors of where you hands have been...

Al's never seen a sub-4.3 40 he hasn't liked.

Of the last 8 players than ran below 4.3, Al's drafted 4 of them (Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt, DHB, and Ford). The only reason Al didn't draft a 5th (CJ) was b/c Al already drafted DMac, who I thought ran below 4.3, too, but he wasn't listed as a sub-4.3 40. And that's turned out okay.

The three other guys that got away, Champ Bailey (1999), Jerome Mathis (2005) and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (2008). Not bad company.

[Madturk]

Good tape + great attitude + good genes = We'd be lucky as hell if Wiz makes it to 48

Agreed, plus smart as hell. He's got room to add another 15-20 lbs too. Wouldn't hurt my feelings.

[Sleet]

Agreed, plus smart as hell. He's got room to add another 15-20 lbs too. Wouldn't hurt my feelings.

Actually, Wiz looked real thick to me, even a little overweigh in the belly, as if he wanted to carry extra weight for the combine.

Regardless, if he's the real deal, you assume, the Raiders will know.

[TheMadStork]

I would high five you, but I don't think I like the rumors of where you hands have been...

It's not my fault that I can't tell a tranny by sight alone. Some of us are more tactile than others.

[CrossBones]

Lil Wiz = BUST. Forget it. :p

[hawaiianboy]

It's not my fault that I can't tell a tranny by sight alone. Some of us are more tactile than others.

Spandex or no spandex... The fact that NIPS had a 5 o'clock shadow and was chewing on beef jerkey should have been enough of a hint...

[Sleet]

Lil Wiz = BUST. Forget it. :p

Certainly don't see the next Dalby, Mosbar or Robbins. And nobody has answered why he didn't play in the Senior Bowl in Mobile? Wasn't invited? Didn't want to compete? What happened?

[BigTron]

We will trade up from our 3rd round pick to draft Whiz. Bank on it

[CrossBones]

We will trade up from our 3rd round pick to draft Whiz. Bank on itWhile we always think Al will go after players with the same last name as previous Raider stars frankly it just hans't been the case. Always remember, fans don't know what the fuck they're talking about. I think that's pretty clear buy now! :sunny:

[Langlier]

i like the kid but he's losing a lot of his luster. He's looking more technician then road grader. I don't know if he's better then Satele right now. His plus is age, coachability, and the fact he can still put more mass/strength on.

[Sleet]

We will trade up from our 3rd round pick to draft Whiz. Bank on it

If Wiz is the 2nd OL we draft, I'd be very happy with that, even if that did mean trading up to get him. I'm just questioning whether he's the best available player, including OL, at #48.

[TheMadStork]

Spandex or no spandex... The fact that NIPS had a 5 o'clock shadow and was chewing on beef jerkey should have been enough of a hint...

Actually, the beef jerky was kind of a turn-on...

[Sleet]

. . the fact he can still put more mass/strength on. Why? The guy looked thick, to me, at the combine.

[PDX Raider]

i like the kid but he's losing a lot of his luster. He's looking more technician then road grader. I don't know if he's better then Satele right now. His plus is age, coachability, and the fact he can still put more mass/strength on.

I agree. The analyst at National Football Post called him the most technically skilled lineman in the draft. But, the move to a power scheme may hurt him. For my money, I'd take Cannon w/ the second pick. Dude is a monster and can play inside and RT.

[Raidermania12]

Lil Wiz isn't really a polite nickname.

[Langlier]

Why? The guy looked thick, to me, at the combine.

he thickened up a bit (from 280 to 310) so I like that he's showing he can put on mass. However while his upper body looks good his lower body is where I'm worried.

[007]

Wouldnt you guys agree that Wiz was one of those guys you saw at the combine who was pretty much maxed out?

I think he's more of a 300 pounder on game day when you take away the puffed up combine numbers, and I don't know if he's really a huge upgrade over Satele (Especially the end of the year Satele) at the pivot spot...

I like him, I have no issues with us drafting the guy, but I have some worries there for sure.

[RaiderRobert]

Consensus top C in the last few years drafts, Pro Bowler, is listed 2 pounds lighter than Wiz... Alex Mack

The Pro Bowl C Mack replaced due to Injury, 4 pounds lighter than Wiz... Nick Mangold

Top C last year, Pro Bowler Maurkice Pouncey, 9 pounds lighter...

313 lbs. is a great size for Wiz, and I thought he looked thick, and just about maxed out. I'm sure he can and will get stronger. But I think he would be an instant upgrade over Satele. He's a great technician, which Satele is not.

Oh, and Satele may be listed at 300, but he can't even dream of being more than 295...

[hawaiianboy]

With the way he's suddenly slipping in people's minds, Stefon Wis must be missing a lot of blocks at the combine...

[Sleet]

With the way he's suddenly slipping in people's minds, Stefon Wis must be missing a lot of blocks at the combine...

:pound:

Nay, for me, Cannon just casts a big shadow.

If Al does grab Wiz in the 2nd, I hope he repeats his strategy from last year with Houston.

[007]

Consensus top C in the last few years drafts, Pro Bowler, is listed 2 pounds lighter than Wiz... Alex Mack

The Pro Bowl C Mack replaced due to Injury, 4 pounds lighter than Wiz... Nick Mangold

Top C last year, Pro Bowler Maurkice Pouncey, 9 pounds lighter...

313 lbs. is a great size for Wiz, and I thought he looked thick, and just about maxed out. I'm sure he can and will get stronger. But I think he would be an instant upgrade over Satele. He's a great technician, which Satele is not.

Oh, and Satele may be listed at 300, but he can't even dream of being more than 295...

Wis is nowhere near the caliber of prospect as any of those guys, but I get your general point.

[007]

With the way he's suddenly slipping in people's minds, Stefon Wis must be missing a lot of blocks at the combine...

I dont think he's slipping, I just think the really brilliant, top tier draftniks had him just outside the top 100 all along.

Just like I think Mike Pouncey cant hold his bro's jock, I think if Stefen's last name was Jones or Rodriguez, he would be a 4th rounder.

[RaiderRobert]

If Wiz can be had with our 3rd, all the better. The 2nd Round is where all the action will be this year. Imagine some of the prospects slipping into or moving up into the 2nd Round. Marvin Austin, Bruce Carter, Marcus Cannon, John Moffitt, Ras-I Dowling, etc. Maybe Kaepernick?

[007]

Yeah even without a first rounder, we'll be right in the thick of it at pick 48.

People figure 8-10 DL go in round one, maybe a couple QB's a couple RB's and some others, meaning some big time talent at need positions will be there for us.

[Crow]

While we always think Al will go after players with the same last name as previous Raider stars frankly it just hans't been the case. Always remember, fans don't know what the fuck they're talking about. I think that's pretty clear buy now! :sunny:

I think your write.

[hawaiianboy]

Just like I think Mike Pouncey cant hold his bro's jock, I think if Stefen's last name was Jones or Rodriguez, he would be a 4th rounder.


4th round eh? As strictly a guard prospect, maybe he gets caught up in the shuffle, but as a center prospect, I think 2nd-early 3rd is about right... and you don't make Big 10 first team at two different positions because of what your last name is ...

I don't think he's a 1st round talent, but I think he compares very favorably w/Nick Hardwick as far as how strong their hand use is... and SW is a lot more fundamental sound than Hardwick was at the same point...

Moffitt, Wis, Carimi, that Watkins kid... Just give me the lunch pail guys that like to scrap in there... Until they start squatting or doing power cleans, the only combine thing I'm really interested in w/O-line guys is getting their official height and weight...

[Sleet]

The same way JJ punked AJ Green yesterday, Nick Fairely became Marcell Dareus' bitch today. 30 lbs heavier with a better 10-yd split. Fairley didn't even lift.

[Byron2112]

Greg Skrepenak was a two time All-American, and Big-Ten Lineman of the Year... remember him?

Yeah... he sucked.

[Sleet]

Greg Skrepenak was a two time All-American, and Big-Ten Lineman of the Year... remember him?

Yeah... he sucked.

But he sure looked good getting off the bus. :rolleyes:

[CrossBones]

I think your write.LOL. Dumbass.

[007]

4th round eh? As strictly a guard prospect, maybe he gets caught up in the shuffle, but as a center prospect, I think 2nd-early 3rd is about right... and you don't make Big 10 first team at two different positions because of what your last name is ...

I don't think he's a 1st round talent, but I think he compares very favorably w/Nick Hardwick as far as how strong their hand use is... and SW is a lot more fundamental sound than Hardwick was at the same point...

Moffitt, Wis, Carimi, that Watkins kid... Just give me the lunch pail guys that like to scrap in there... Until they start squatting or doing power cleans, the only combine thing I'm really interested in w/O-line guys is getting their official height and weight...

Oh trust me, he'll go round two or three at the latest.

I'm just saying where I think he should go, In my opinion.

You named four guys I like better, add in Cannon, Barksdale and Brewer as guys who could start for us on day one and the list gets longer.

In the end though, just give me a lineman to plug in and mash guys from day one. I'd be splitting hairs if I complained about getting Stefen Wisniewski.

[Langlier]

i'd still take the kid - he's versatile and would likely start "somewhere" for us. But he's more Matt Stinchcomb then Uncle Steve Wisnewski to me at this point.

[Crow]

i'd still take the kid - he's versatile and would likely start "somewhere" for us. But he's more Matt Stinchcomb then Uncle Steve Wisnewski to me at this point.

You oughta be ashamed of yourself for that one.

[NIPS]

Greg Skrepenak was a two time All-American, and Big-Ten Lineman of the Year... remember him?

Yeah... he sucked.

Didnt he get popped last eyar for some shit?

[Byron2112]

Didnt he get popped last eyar for some shit?

Yeah, he was some kinda politician and just plead guilty to corruption, or taking bribes or some shit... in other word, he was doing his job. :D :mad:

[Birdwell]

The guys I like on the interior of the O-line, like everyone else, are Watkins, Wisniewski, Moffit -- who all have a reputation for playing "nasty" -- i.e., playing super hard through and slightly beyond the whistle.

Marcus Cannon is super intriguing because at his size he played on the up-and-down-the-field TCO O. Gotta be in superb cardiovascular shape to do that. He and Jake Kirkpatrick (who has a HUGE upside) might be available where we pick in the 3rd and 4th round. Add in Danny Watkins in the second (or Wisniewski in the second, or Moffitt in he 4th) and we have guys who could step in a man all three interior line positions as rookies.

This assumes that Gallery is gone and Bruce Campbell hasn't shown enough to be the incumbent starter.

For an image, the right side of the O-line is Langston Walker and Marcus Cannon. Block out the sun, they wold.

[007]

Honestly, all the real C prospects are terrible.

Kirkpatrick, O'Dowd, Barnes, Linnekohl, Fusco et al.

The most intriguing C prospects are the conversion guys like Moffit, Pouncey and Wisniewski, even Danny Watkins.

Mike Person and Clint Boling were the guys who timed the best at the combine for OG's so they have to be on our radar, I would figure. Boling started 50+ games in a tough conference so thats a good thing, I guess.

[Crow]

Did you really just list Pouncey among the centers? Yikes.

I've seen Rodney Hudson listed as a G/C. Has he ever played a down at center?

[007]

Yeah Mike Pouncey sucked at Center, but you gotta admit he's a more intriguing option for a move there than drafting some bum.

He tested well in agility drills, he's played there before, he has the bloodlines, and he has the size we covet.

[NIPS]

Yeah Mike Pouncey sucked at Center, but you gotta admit he's a more intriguing option for a move there than drafting some bum.

He tested well in agility drills, he's played there before, he has the bloodlines, and he has the size we covet.

I figure we got one coming to us

Since we picked the wrong Stinkcomb back a few years and the Cowboys took his twin and made our pick look all kinds of stupid- maybe just maybe its our turn to finally get the right "twin"

[Madturk]

I figure we got one coming to us

Since we picked the wrong Stinkcomb back a few years and the Cowboys took his twin and made our pick look all kinds of stupid- maybe just maybe its our turn to finally get the right "twin"

I think you have them confused with the McQuistan boys

[TheMadStork]

I think you have them confused with the McQuistan boys

NIPS???? Confused???? No way!

[Birdwell]

Kirkpatrick has played football for all of five years. That, given what he was able to do for TCU -- and remember he made it okay against the BC D -- makes me think he's got a fairly high upside with proper coaching from our awesome O-line coach.

[NIPS]

I think you have them confused with the McQuistan boys

Sum beach!!!

[doug7dust]

he is my pick for my mock drafts...

not just because of his connection to steve.

dude can play very well at a position of need for us.

Id be very stoked with either of these OL lineups, depending on the re-signing of Robert Gallery, which im 95% sure he will, the dude loves the bay area, Lives in pleasanton and is active in the community with his car club, we all remember what he did for those cops from oakland when that horrible killing happened. I think hell stay.

LT- Veldheer
LG- Gallery
C- Wisniewski
RG- Campbell
RT- Walker(or F/A?)

w/o gallery

LT- Veldheer
LG- Henderson/Wisniewski
C- Wisniewski/Satele
RG- Campbell
RT- Walker(or F/A)

[doug7dust]

im also a rodney hudson guy...If we lose Gallery We could get wiz in rd 2 and Hudson in rd 3 that would be nice.


I do think we would need to move up just a little to get little wiz thought, but just to the top of the 2nd round

[Postmaster]

im also a rodney hudson guy...If we lose Gallery We could get wiz in rd 2 and Hudson in rd 3 that would be nice.


I do think we would need to move up just a little to get little wiz thought, but just to the top of the 2nd round

No way Hudson makes it to the 3rd round.

I am hoping we pick Marcus Cannon @ 48 and pray Lil Wiz fails to us in the 3rd. Or at least falls enough where we can jump up and get him and not give up a lot in the process.

Keep in mind if we lose Nnam we will have an extra 3rd rounder in the 2012 draft that we can use as trade bait.

[Sleet]

No way Hudson makes it to the 3rd round.

I am hoping we pick Marcus Cannon @ 48 and pray Lil Wiz fails to us in the 3rd. Or at least falls enough where we can jump up and get him and not give up a lot in the process.

Keep in mind if we lose Nnam we will have an extra 3rd rounder in the 2012 draft that we can use as trade bait.

This.

In addition to this, a perfect draft would include Al trading for an extra pick to land Jimmy Smiths (assuming Hue's okay with the character issue) or another potential starting CB that is not just fast (although fast is good).

[doug7dust]

just as i say that gallery says he is not coming back hmm

[Sleet]

just as i say that gallery says he is not coming back hmm

Sure hope Al has dollars in reserve to spend at least two veteran OL, including Walker (but not named Henderson or Barnes), and is not just banking on starting two rookies to play along side of Veldheer. Satele and Campbell.

[Crow]

No way Hudson makes it to the 3rd round.

I am hoping we pick Marcus Cannon @ 48 and pray Lil Wiz fails to us in the 3rd. Or at least falls enough where we can jump up and get him and not give up a lot in the process.

Keep in mind if we lose Nnam we will have an extra 3rd rounder in the 2012 draft that we can use as trade bait.

Can't trade comp picks, knucklehead.

Cannon spooks me a little, but I'd be okay with that pick.

Ijalana's double hernia surgery could push him down a couple rounds. Perfect replacement for Gallery, eh? :D

[Postmaster]

Can't trade comp picks, knucklehead.

Cannon spooks me a little, but I'd be okay with that pick.

Ijalana's double hernia surgery could push him down a couple rounds. Perfect replacement for Gallery, eh? :D

We could trade our original 3rd/4th rounder knowing we had that comp pick though. Capiche?

[Crow]

Mmhmm.

[Postmaster]

Point being we have an extra pick for ammo to move up you dumb hillbilly.

[BigTron]

Finding a FA interior lineman stop gap starter thru FA will clear this shit up

[Postmaster]

Finding a FA interior lineman stop gap starter thru FA will clear this shit up

You mean like Cooper Carlisle or Daniel Loper?

How is a stop gap lineman gonna help us? He have had stop gaps for 8 years for crissake.

[BigTron]

You mean like Cooper Carlisle or Daniel Loper?

How is a stop gap lineman gonna help us? He have had stop gaps for 8 years for crissake.

Because realistically (its a word not used around here often) we cant fill all of our needs with talented youth in one offseason. You wanna start a whole rookie OL? Good luck with Green Veldy at LT, B.Campell learning LG and the other 3 spots filled with rookies.

I would love to draft some good OL. We also need some DB's and OLB, and many back-ups. I just dont see us finding young talented players to fill those needs.

for the record Gallery and most of the Ol we draft alwayss blow dick too.

I dont see us coming out of this draft with three good OL player penciled in as starters... Our OL is empty

[Birdwell]

im also a rodney hudson guy...If we lose Gallery We could get wiz in rd 2 and Hudson in rd 3 that would be nice.


I do think we would need to move up just a little to get little wiz thought, but just to the top of the 2nd round

Hudson weighs in at like 290. Not an Al Davis G, and with Cable gone there's no chance he's coming here.

Either Cannon or Miffitt will be available in round 3. And if Wisniewski is out of reach, Danny Watkins.

Bring back Satele and Walker, and your have inexperienced (or new to us) Gs sandwiched between guys who know the system. I'd take that. Correction: Given that Gallery is gone and I don't want Carlisle back as a starter, I want that.

[hawaiianboy]

How is a stop gap lineman gonna help us?.

I'd have no problem with bring in a stop gap vet to play center, much the way the Ravens brought in Matt Birk to help their young O-line.... Maybe overpay a guy like Jonathan Goodwin for a couple years service...

[Postmaster]

I'd have no problem with bring in a stop gap vet to play center, much the way the Ravens brought in Matt Birk to help their young O-line.... Maybe overpay a guy like Jonathan Goodwin for a couple years service...

When 3 of your 5 starters are stop gaps though, your oline usually doesn't have much success.

We have been stop gapping for 8 years.

[RaiderRobert]

No more stop gaps. Aren't we supposed to be building a bully? Let's do it. Draft O-Line and lets go...

[Madturk]

I'm really warming up to Cannon as replacement for Gallery. If we can come out of the draft with at least two OL and grab a couple through FA, I'll be a happy man.

[RaiderJF]

No more stop gaps. Aren't we supposed to be building a bully? Let's do it. Draft O-Line and lets go...

Only guy on OL that was close to being a bully seems to have hit the road today...

[Postmaster]

Only guy on OL that was close to being a bully seems to have hit the road today...

Fuck him...he sucked.

[Crow]

The idea behind a stopgap player is to have a plan in place for the future of that position. Oakland signs a stopgap and just moves on to the next problem. There's no evidence of a plan, hence the need to sign stopgaps to fill in the gap between stopgaps. That shit don't work for little Dutch boys, and it don't work in football either.

[Postmaster]

The idea behind a stopgap player is to have a plan in place for the future of that position. Oakland signs a stopgap and just moves on to the next problem. There's no evidence of a plan, hence the need to sign stopgaps to fill in the gap between stopgaps. That shit don't work for little Dutch boys, and it don't work in football either.

To be far, this seems to be an o-line issue only.

With the history of our o-line's it is curious to say the least why this position has been so neglected? :confused:

[Crow]

It was a D-line problem for years. Seems to have finally been addressed to some degree, amazingly enough.

With any luck, the O-line will get some love next. Still, I can't help but believe #48 overall is going to be a DB.

[Sleet]

I'm really warming up to Cannon as replacement for Gallery. If we can come out of the draft with at least two OL and grab a couple through FA, I'll be a happy man.

To me, Cannon would be a great LG next to Veldheer. Add Wiz. Resign Walker, Satele, Barnes (or Henderson) and Loper, were good (not great, but good,provided Campbell can play).

[Madturk]

It was a D-line problem for years. Seems to have finally been addressed to some degree, amazingly enough.

With any luck, the O-line will get some love next. Still, I can't help but believe #48 overall is going to be a DB.

I'd almost bet money on it as Aso is as good as gone. I'm ok with a DB in the 2nd as long as we use our 3rd and 4th rounders on OL and hopefully grab a few FA OL as well.

[Crow]

Probably going to be a DB that every other team had rated in the Rd3 to 5 range, though.

[Madturk]

Just as long as it isn't the kid from Miami that ran a sub 4.3

[Crow]

Be afraid...

[RaiderJF]

Just as long as it isn't the kid from Miami that ran a sub 4.3

Wouldn't surprise me. Looks like there are only three cbs (outside of the top couple guys that will be high first rounders) that have the type of speed numbers that Al would really covet. Wouldn't be surprised if he goes after Chekwa in the 2nd, Skrine in the 3rd, or Van Dyke in the 5th/6th.

Right now, I would say Al is debating whether his second rounder will be Cannon, Wiz, Chekwa, or Skrine...

[Postmaster]

russlandecenter/guard s. Wisniewski had a very good workout at penn state today and showed that he will be a very good starting og/c early in career.

[Postmaster]

- NFL opinions on Penn State G/C Stefen Wisniewski are reportedly so mixed that some teams give him a second-round grade, while others would only consider him as an undrafted free agent.
According to Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki, the "consensus" is that Wisniewski will go in the fourth round. Regardless, our belief that 21st overall, as the K.C. Star suggested, would be much too high for Wisniewski appears warranted. We do believe he still has a shot to go in round two.

[hawaiianboy]

People seem to be all over the place...


Wes Bunting the Director of College Scouting for the National Football Post says that Stefen Wisniewski "is most technically sound interior linemen I might have ever scouted, lacks great upside, but ready day one."

[Postmaster]

I am hoping we can get him in the 3rd or maybe trade up in the 4th if we have to.

[Langlier]

thats the big issue with wis jr. he's about topped out already. Not going to add much functional strength and he's not going to be able to handle massive interior OL well. That said he's more technically sound then most college linemen entering the NFL. He'd fit our old scheme better but as is he's very Carlislesque.

[007]

If he's 'topped out' as a 5-10 year plug and go starter, I take him at 48.

There are guys I like more at that spot, but I'm fine with that.

If there are any doubts about his size/strength and how it fits in with the new scheme, I take a more powerful guy and then see if he starts slipping into round 3.

[Byron2112]

That'd be sweet if he fell to the 4th round! That would allow Al to get all crazy and shit with his 2nd and 3rd round picks...

[Sleet]

'lil Wiz doesn't fit Al's profile in the 4th round, which are typically size and/or speed guys with boon/bust upside. If he's in Al's plans, I'm hopeful its in the 3rd, not 2nd, though.

[RaiderJF]

If he's 'topped out' as a 5-10 year plug and go starter, I take him at 48.

There are guys I like more at that spot, but I'm fine with that.

If there are any doubts about his size/strength and how it fits in with the new scheme, I take a more powerful guy and then see if he starts slipping into round 3.

Exactly. I like the idea of going for Cannon as opposed to Wiz in Rnd 2 - 48, but I wouldn't complain at all with a Wiz II as a plug and go "low ceiling" guy. Hell, Wiz I was a lunchpail "effort" player and if Jr is anything like him, he would be gold. Given that we don't have a first rounder, I could easily see Al going for a "safer" pick that can break into the lineup quickly (as otherwise it will be a real risk of whether we get any contribution from the rookie class in what very well may be a very short training camp / preseason).

[RaiderRobert]

thats the big issue with wis jr. he's about topped out already. Not going to add much functional strength and he's not going to be able to handle massive interior OL well. That said he's more technically sound then most college linemen entering the NFL. He'd fit our old scheme better but as is he's very Carlislesque.

Not sure how you compare him to Carlisle. Wiz is bigger (inch shorter but 20 lbs. heavier), stronger, and has a nasty streak that Carlisle couldn't dream about.

[NIPS]

I was watching NFLN yesterday and Mayock didnt even have Wiz in the top 5 in his G/C rankings

Seems Rodney Hudsons getting major love

Check him out at left guard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOIZbQKOQL8

[Madturk]

Unfortunately Hudson will be gone by the time we pick. Would love to have him. I'd take him over any of the other top guards or centers.

I seriously doubt Wis falls very far. I doubt he makes it out of the second.

[Sleet]

NFL.com grades 'lil Wiz as the 126 best NFL prospect, with a 5.3 rating on a scale of 1 to 10. For comparison, the highest rated OL (12th overall) is Tyron Smith, who received a 8.3 rating, and Marcus Cannon, ranked 50th overall, received a 7.1 rating. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade/dt-by-grade-input:1 If you believe such ratings, 'lil Wiz is a low value pick in the 2nd and even the 3rd.

[Birdwell]

The nephew doesn't have the size for his era that the uncle had.

Thing is, though, with the number of teams that play zone/cut schemes, Wisniewski grades out higher for that system than ours -- which means other teams will be likely to take him higher than we ought to.

If the Raiders believe that Cannon will control the weight at which he plays (including that he'll come to camp -- whenever that is -- in shape), he's ideal for the "build a bully" plan. Plus we can pick up Moffit in the 4th anyway.

[RaiderJF]

The nephew doesn't have the size for his era that the uncle had.

Thing is, though, with the number of teams that play zone/cut schemes, Wisniewski grades out higher for that system than ours -- which means other teams will be likely to take him higher than we ought to.

If the Raiders believe that Cannon will control the weight at which he plays (including that he'll come to camp -- whenever that is -- in shape), he's ideal for the "build a bully" plan. Plus we can pick up Moffit in the 4th anyway.

Agree regarding Cannon (as well as Moffitt), but Wiz II is not a small guy... At 313lb, that is pretty reasonable size for an NFL G (NFL average is ~300lb). And if he ends up as a C as some are projecting, 313 would put him at the top end of NFL Cs. In any case, all of these guys would have 20 - 60 lbs on Carlisle who is generously listed at 295...

[Langlier]

Not sure how you compare him to Carlisle. Wiz is bigger (inch shorter but 20 lbs. heavier), stronger, and has a nasty streak that Carlisle couldn't dream about.

I'm not saying he won't be better then carlisle. Just that he's more carlisle then Gallery at this point. You won't mistake him for a Road Grader.

[RaiderRobert]

I'm not saying he won't be better then carlisle. Just that he's more carlisle then Gallery at this point. You won't mistake him for a Road Grader.

I watched his last game in December. He was a beast in that game. Very much a road grader, dominating at the point of attack, opening lanes, and getting to the next level and clearing more room. 2 TD's that I saw were runs behind him that he cleared the way. He may not have the same effect in the NFL, but he was very dominant when I watched him.

[Birdwell]

Agree regarding Cannon (as well as Moffitt), but Wiz II is not a small guy... At 313lb, that is pretty reasonable size for an NFL G (NFL average is ~300lb). And if he ends up as a C as some are projecting, 313 would put him at the top end of NFL Cs. In any case, all of these guys would have 20 - 60 lbs on Carlisle who is generously listed at 295...

If we're talking about S Wisniweski as a C, agree he's bigger than most, but he'd be about Don Mosebar's size while the average DT or NT has gotten much bigger. He's technically very sound, and that will get your far until you meet up with a guy whose also technically sound and outmasses you for forty pounds and is also quicker. But all Cs get help against those few, so no big deal.

The thing about a G is that the size of all NFL Gs has actually gone down in reent years due to the proliferation of Zone-Stretch-Cut schemes employed today. If we're truly looking to play more of a man-power scheme with some of the old crap thrown in, Wisnewski would be a little small for guys who play in that system. Not a knock, but it does play into an evaluation.

[RaiderJF]

The thing about a G is that the size of all NFL Gs has actually gone down in reent years due to the proliferation of Zone-Stretch-Cut schemes employed today. If we're truly looking to play more of a man-power scheme with some of the old crap thrown in, Wisnewski would be a little small for guys who play in that system. Not a knock, but it does play into an evaluation.

No doubt, and that's why I do like Cannon at 2-48 as a G moreso than Wiz. Put Cannon at RG and then see if we could get Wiz later (3rd/4th round) as potentially our Satele replacement... those would be nice additions to a "build a bully" team. Moffitt in rnd 4 at C would also fit the bill.

[Crow]

I think I'll just go with Moffitt/Ziemba. Big, slow, mauling motherfuckers. Moffitt at center, Ziemba at a guard spot. Maybe grab a RT at 48. Maybe leave Satele at center (meh) and have him flanked by Moffitt and Ziemba, with Campbell (meh) competing at RT with Walker.

[hawaiianboy]

I think I'll just go with Moffitt/Ziemba. Big, slow, mauling motherfuckers. Moffitt at center, Ziemba at a guard spot. Maybe grab a RT at 48. Maybe leave Satele at center (meh) and have him flanked by Moffitt and Ziemba, with Campbell (meh) competing at RT with Walker.


While you are feeling creative, figure out a way I can draft both the bruisers from the left side of the Wisconsin line and Wis to play center...

[007]

Zach Hurd is a guy I like way more than Ziemba.

I heard him on SIRIUS yesterday with Kirwan good kid and seems nasty as hell.

Played OG because of Will Beatty and the RT had 30+ starts. Thrived there, worked hard and is pretty athletic for his size.

Probably could get him in 4 or 5 too.

[raiderfreak7]

Had a dream last night we took Wiz II.

[Crow]

Must have really concerned your old lady, having you squirm around in bed, smiling, muttering "Wizz! Wizz! Yes! Wizz!"

You can damn well bet she gave your browsing history a quick glance.

[Madturk]

You're a sick man Crow

[CrossBones]

We're not drafting this kid simply because his father was a great Raider. From all accounts he's not all that.

Bones has spoken.

[Madturk]

Lot of mocks have him going to us. It will depend on whether we take a corner first and what OL are left in the 3rd. Personally, I'm reading a lot of good things about John Moffit.

[CrossBones]

...and all of those mocks and $4 will get you a Latte at Starbucks. Worthless drivel.

[raiderfreak7]

Must have really concerned your old lady, having you squirm around in bed, smiling, muttering "Wizz! Wizz! Yes! Wizz!"

You can damn well bet she gave your browsing history a quick glance.

My old lady wasn't so concerned... yours was freaking out. I calmed her down and then we went back to our threesome.



:)

[Madturk]

...and all of those mocks and $4 will get you a Latte at Starbucks. Worthless drivel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_NhnXMCKw

[Crow]

By whizzing on her? Good man.

[NIPS]

I think I'll just go with Moffitt/Ziemba. Big, slow, mauling motherfuckers. Moffitt at center, Ziemba at a guard spot. Maybe grab a RT at 48. Maybe leave Satele at center (meh) and have him flanked by Moffitt and Ziemba, with Campbell (meh) competing at RT with Walker.

Ziemba was flagged 19 times for false starts, perfect for the Raiders

And whats with whitey and the Zulu last name?

[hawaiianboy]

- NFL opinions on Penn State G/C Stefen Wisniewski are reportedly so mixed that some teams give him a second-round grade, while others would only consider him as an undrafted free agent.

Wonder how many of the teams that would only consider him as a UFA are now in the Suck for Luck competition? Dumbasses....

[PDX Raider]

Wonder how many of the teams that would only consider him as a UFA are now in the Suck for Luck competition? Dumbasses....

Couldn't agree more. He's been a stud. Wes Bunting of National Football Post nailed this one in his scouting report. The whole draft looks good. Wiz and Moore have played like first rounders. Chekwa and DVD have looked fine when they've been able to play (and please get this team a new trainer). Gordon and Ausberry will hopefully make Myers expendable. Taiwan should get more snaps. Barksdale has been a disappointment, but hopefully a full training camp, and he'll be better.

PDX

[RZ]

Wonder how many of the teams that would only consider him as a UFA are now in the Suck for Luck competition? Dumbasses....

Mike Mayock didn't like D Moore and had him graded low. Nobody's perfect

[celticraider]

Mike Mayock didn't like D Moore and had him graded low. Nobody's perfect

I had Denarius Moore graded very high after yesterday's game. Some people will say "Hey, anyone can use hindsight and look back making a decision after the fact." I say, well you should try that, stupid, cause this whole prediction thing is making you look like a dumbass.

[Crow]

He was a 5th round pick. Everyone graded him poorly.

[Madturk]

He was a 5th round pick. Everyone graded him poorly.

DMoore>Julio Jones:p