View Full Version : What about Cam Newton
Madturk
12-05-2010, 06:42 AM
Big, mobile, another SEC QB who happens to wear #2:p
Birdwell
12-05-2010, 09:10 AM
Yep. He could be second coming of Payton Manning/John Elway and Snake all rolled into one, and we ain't going there. Would be stunned.
His throwing mechanics are okay, but not when he can't get his feet right. Like to throw rolling to his strong side -- seen that before.
Have no idea what he's like off the field or in practice, but that seems like a real stretch.
RaiderRobert
12-05-2010, 09:49 AM
Had similar thoughts as well. The #2 he wears is just scary. But I liked his delivery, and ability to run. I would like to know what he is like off the field as well.
CrossBones
12-05-2010, 09:59 AM
Lots of red flags with this guy's character. Stole a laptop/cheated several times on classroom tests.
Then the whole "pay me to have my kid go to your school". The kid didn't know anything about that? Sure he didn't.
No thank you. Back to the Andrew Luck dream.
Madturk
12-05-2010, 10:00 AM
Only thing I know of are the impending allegations that his camp (mainly his dad) tried to extort money from Miss St for his son to play there. Sounds like most of it is aimed at the old man. Sounds semi intelligent from the interviews I've seen. He's been drawing comparisons to Josh Freeman. 6'6" 250 lbs can throw and runs like a mofo. Has something like a 188 Qb rating this season :eek:
Not for me.
Funky release, not really refined in the passing game. He plays in a 1 read offense, if its not there RUN.
Seriously 30 rushing attempts a game? He's a glorified running back.
He :::might::: be Vincy Young. Thats about it.
I'd rather take Locker as a developmental guy (I know Bonesy) or Gabbert or Foles or even Kaepernick/Stanzi...
Byron2112
12-05-2010, 02:38 PM
He's a train wreck, but he has Al written all over him doesn't he?... specially if he dominates for the national championship.
He is an impressive mover for his size, I'll say that... and the thought of Al and Cam's father facing off in negotiations over that first contact gives me a chuckle.
He's a top 15 type guy so Im not too worried..
Birdwell
12-05-2010, 08:23 PM
RF007,
Curious now that you mention Kaepnernick. I've watched him since his freshman year, super funky (and slow) delivery, but good reader of D strong arm, and mobile.
Personally, I don't think the pistol O is that gimmicky (just a split back set with a different depth for the RBs), but you follow draft/college a lot closer than I. I project him as a late 3rd round pick. You?
Yeah I've only got onto him this year, you'll read post from a month or two ago stating the same.
I won't lie and say I've watched him a ton, but now that Nevada is winning and ranked, he's getting some TV time even here in Canada.
I like his athletic gifts. He really is Cam Newton before Cam Newton blew up. He's the ONLY QB who has ever gone 2000/1000 three times. So he can move. Youtube videos show his speed, he was a high school pitcher who hit 95 on the radar guns so he has a heater...
My personal prediction is he climbs into the top 100 picks, but right now most places have him in the 4th-5th round range. I could be very wrong on that one, LOL. I like to go out on a limb and find deep sleepers though.
If he has a big bowl game and runs a 4.5 at the combine after putting on some of that superficial weigh-in poundage, someone will take him early...
His RB teammate is a machine too. He'll get drafted.
Langlier
12-05-2010, 08:56 PM
He's a top 15 type guy so Im not too worried..
not this year he's not.
not this year he's not.
Cam Newton?
I'll take that bet.
He'll be the second or third QB on most boards at this point...
Langlier
12-05-2010, 10:09 PM
Cam Newton?
I'll take that bet.
He'll be the second or third QB on most boards at this point...
agree that he's probably 2 or 3. I won't make a bet because there is always a chance someone takes a chance on him late in the first. But I don't think he's better then Mallet who should go after Luck sometime in the top 20. Really will depend on his evaluations/pro day/etc. I was saying the same thing about Russell for weeks and changed my mind. I'll likely do it with Cam too.
Yup, like I said: I hope we dont take him, but I don't see guys with his skill set going very late.
He has Roethlisberger's size and arm, VY's mobility and his overall skill set will intrigue a few guys in the top 20 I figure.
If Tebow can sneak in the twenties, this guy can go in the top 15 easily.
Byron2112
12-06-2010, 12:56 AM
Tebow is Beaver Cleaver, and McBallsack is a dumb sonofabitch.
I could be way off here, but I think the "JaMarcus Russell Experience" is gonna hurt guys like Newton, who are projects as passers, and have some shady shit in their closet.
I don't see him going top 15.
You could be very right Byron.
I think if he blows up in the bowl game and combine though, He'll keep on climbing.
hawaiianboy
12-06-2010, 09:48 AM
I like the mental toughness Newton has shown playing through all the drama...
I like his size and mobility..
I like the way he's played against good defenses...
but something just doesn't sit well with me about this kid... Could be the prospect of entourages in his future, I dunno...
I do think he'll go top 10 before it's said and done... Great body, great arm, quick release, elite run skills... Some GM is going to look at him and see someone capable of doing similar things as the young Daunte Culpepper...
Chan Gailey would certainly know how to incorporate his skills into the Pro game...
I was thinking Gailey too. He loves mobile QB's and Newton would only trail Vick in that area...
The guy has talent, but something aint right with him. Maybe its the "Jamarcus Factor" but I don't want him...
Madturk
12-06-2010, 10:06 AM
Something with the #2 and being from the SEC not sitting good:bugeye:
RaiderRobert
12-06-2010, 10:42 AM
After watching the game yesterday, I am now convinced that Jason Campbell CAN be our QB moving forward. He may not be a rookie, but he is in his 1st year here with another OC and another system. This offseason will be his 1st time with the same OC and system since college. I expect a big improvement in his play with the continuity. He proved he can get it done vs. the #1 ranked NFL defense in their own home.
Bruce is what he is, a capable backup. He needs to STFU and play his role and be happy. He isn't going to start on any other team, so embrace what he is.
That being said, I don't think we need to draft a QB high. A developmental guy late might be a good idea. Shame about Colt Brennan, he could have been the guy. We don't need Boller, and I am thinking Frye will be back for our #3.
SO.... I think we need to move on to more pressing needs. I think we need a legit WR (Greg Little), a bigger, more physical CB (Ras-I Dowling) and a more physical, stout C (Stefen Wisnewski). That's my top 3 wish list at this point...
Colt Brennan sucks donkey dicks. I'd rather have Charlie Frye.
Guys like him are a dime a dozen.
RaiderRobert
12-06-2010, 12:34 PM
Yes, well... No need to debate over the 3rd string QB.
We have our #1 and #2, and I think we are good to go with both. I don't want to waste breath/fingers discussing a 1st round QB because it isn't practical or even possible.
Let's talk about about OL, WR, and DB. That's what we need...
Byron2112
12-06-2010, 02:03 PM
Well... I'm not really prepared to be comfortable with Campbell until he puts 3-4 performances like that together, but I do think the team, and JC, would be much improved if we could somehow pull an elite interior O-lineman with that second round pick... it's maybe our greatest need(other than QB), so I can see the sentiment.
Birdwell
12-06-2010, 06:13 PM
After watching the game yesterday, I am now convinced that Jason Campbell CAN be our QB moving forward. He may not be a rookie, but he is in his 1st year here with another OC and another system. This offseason will be his 1st time with the same OC and system since college. I expect a big improvement in his play with the continuity. He proved he can get it done vs. the #1 ranked NFL defense in their own home.
Bruce is what he is, a capable backup. He needs to STFU and play his role and be happy. He isn't going to start on any other team, so embrace what he is.
That being said, I don't think we need to draft a QB high. A developmental guy late might be a good idea. Shame about Colt Brennan, he could have been the guy. We don't need Boller, and I am thinking Frye will be back for our #3.
SO.... I think we need to move on to more pressing needs. I think we need a legit WR (Greg Little), a bigger, more physical CB (Ras-I Dowling) and a more physical, stout C (Stefen Wisnewski). That's my top 3 wish list at this point...
Actually, Campbell had 4 OCs at Auburn, too. So this would be the first time in the same system in an offseason since High School.
I've said before, one of Campbell's problems really seems to be he doesn't know with absolute conviction where his receivers are gonna be., and attribute that to the youth of our receiving corps and the fact that he hasn't had enough time in the O to knwo it spatially without thinking. And that is required if you want to look off the safety and then turn to throw where you intended to go all along -- because you're doing everything but the release before you've actually sighted the receiver you're throwing to.
This whole "let it go" thing Cable has talked about Campbell -- and which will be easier to do now that Mr. Noodle-arm-with-delusions-of-granduer is on IR. And go ahed and laugh at me, but getting Schilens back for this run is a good thing. Even the unlamented late #2 knew where Chaz was going to be on every play, which is why he keyed on him almost as much as Miller.
hawaiianboy
12-06-2010, 07:50 PM
Well... I'm not really prepared to be comfortable with Campbell until he puts 3-4 performances like that together,
I agree... I'm not real comfortable with the thought of putting all our eggs in Campbell's basket... He made a lot of nice plays with his legs yesterday, but IMO you can't be a consistent winner these days with a game manager at QB... The offenses are just too good and the rules too slanted toward the offense for that game mgr/run the ball/play defense triumphant... You have to have a QB capable of putting the team on his back and winning with his arm... Plus it's hard to ignore that he's had complete duds in almost half his starts this year...
JC's getting what amounts to as a 5 game tryout... Even if he proves capable enough that we feel we don't need to sign a vet FA capable of being the man, IMO we still should be proactive and look to draft a guy pretty early as a long term option instead of getting caught with our pants down should JC prove to be what he's been most of his career...
Madturk
12-07-2010, 05:40 AM
I agree wholeheartedly, even if we draft a Mid round guy and try like hell to develop him. I was hoping we would have drafted that Skeleton kid from Fordham last year.
I agree wholeheartedly, even if we draft a Mid round guy and try like hell to develop him. I was hoping we would have drafted that Skeleton kid from Fordham last year.
Max Hall on IR, DA with a concussion...
Mr Skelton will get his first start of his career this weekend.
You'll know a lot more about his skills soon.
You can file Jason Campbell firmly into the "he is what he is" category... which is somewhere between a starter and a backup, depending on the Sunday. At the very least, we need to take a flyer on a developmental guy.
EZRaider
12-15-2010, 01:04 PM
I think we need to move on to more pressing needs. I think we need a legit WR (Greg Little), a bigger, more physical CB (Ras-I Dowling) and a more physical, stout C (Stefen Wisnewski). That's my top 3 wish list at this point...
I like this list of priorities. #4 OL + late round QB sleeper.
hawaiianboy
12-15-2010, 02:08 PM
SO.... I think we need to move on to more pressing needs. I think we need a legit WR (Greg Little), a bigger, more physical CB (Ras-I Dowling) and a more physical, stout C (Stefen Wisnewski). That's my top 3 wish list at this point...
I like this list of priorities. #4 OL + late round QB sleeper.
I like the priorities, though if a good QB prospect drops to our spot in RD2, I probably give him a hard look... I love Greg Little as every one knows... Dowling has had a shit load of leg problems this year so he may drop to someone's benefit... If we're taking a guard to move back to center, I prefer John Moffitt to Wisnewski myself... I also look hard at taking a DT in RD2 if someone of quality is there (Marvin Austin)...
RaiderRobert
12-16-2010, 11:09 AM
I like the priorities, though if a good QB prospect drops to our spot in RD2, I probably give him a hard look... I love Greg Little as every one knows... Dowling has had a shit load of leg problems this year so he may drop to someone's benefit... If we're taking a guard to move back to center, I prefer John Moffitt to Wisnewski myself... I also look hard at taking a DT in RD2 if someone of quality is there (Marvin Austin)...
I wanted Marvin Austin to come out last year for us. I think he will slide to Round #2 if we are so inclined. Although I think we need some starters elsewhere that would make taking Austin a luxury that we can't afford. I think our D-Line is pretty solid. As for Wiz, if he wants to play G, that's fine. We don't have a RG (dunno what is wrong with BC, he should have been able to take more snaps from CC)(I'd like to see what he can do down our home stretch though). Gallery doesn't make me as happy as others. I don't see him getting any better than he is, and to me that isn't saying much. We could upgrade our entire interior line, I think. Greg Little could be what we keep hoping Schilens will be. We need a big physical WR that can and will fight for and catch the ball. Little will be there for us in Round #2. And I know Dowling has had issues, but I am hoping they stay behind him, his size and ability could make him a steal in this draft because he will drop... LOTS of options for us this year, I hope we have another amazing draft like this last one...
S and B Executioner
12-20-2010, 05:47 PM
Cam Newton is the next in the ever growing lst of total flop SEC QB's in the NFL. Russell, Weurfel, R. Johnson, that kid from Kentcky, etc.
His chractersucks, his throwing motion sucks, attitude sucks. NO WAY!!
Freezetag168
01-10-2011, 08:25 PM
After watching 3 quarters so far of the BCS Championship, I have NO IDEA on how good a QB he actually is. Almost every snap is from shotgun and his most efficient plays have been running plays. Even one of the TD passes made was against a DE
Strong arm, no doubt.
Mobility out the ass.
That and a nickel won't get you much though.
I wonder about his accuracy, brains and advanced QB game still. (Shotgun option offense, limited progressions, easy reads, simple WR routes etc).
Runs kinda soft.
Really?
I watched him shrug some guys off pretty easily. Took a big hit in Q1, also powered for a first down with a couple guys draped on him.
If there is one thing I probably couldnt complain about his game, its his running skills.
He's done some tiptoeing out there today, too. Also flopping a yard short of a first down with plenty of room to get said first down.
He's done some tiptoeing out there today, too. Also flopping a yard short of a first down with plenty of room to get said first down.
Working on his Jason Campbell slide bro..
hawaiianboy
01-10-2011, 08:52 PM
Fairley is beasting...
raiderfreak7
01-10-2011, 08:54 PM
When he spiked it to that wiiiiide open full back in the endzone on the 4th down earlier in the game I'll be honest and say that I thought, "Jamarcus?"
raiderfreak7
01-10-2011, 08:57 PM
Fairley is beasting...
Guy should go number one... amazing that last years class had Suh and this years has Fairley. Him and Suh are going to be wrecking havoc on offensive lines for quite some time.
Fairley's a renowned "dirty" player, too. I want him. :(
Raidermania12
01-15-2011, 06:20 AM
Newton is fine with me. Ben cheeseburger type with a slightly less powerful arm, hopefully a lil calmer libido for the drunk party girls.
Raidermania12
01-15-2011, 06:28 AM
Tebow is Beaver Cleaver, and McBallsack is a dumb sonofabitch.
I could be way off here, but I think the "JaMarcus Russell Experience" is gonna hurt guys like Newton, who are projects as passers, and have some shady shit in their closet.
I don't see him going top 15.
I think russels personality and work ethic were the problem, I used to blame our grooming efforts, but we had good qb help on the staff in Hackett. Cam newton has to prove he has no personal issues, but if not I don't think getting him ready will be an issue under hues regime.
Also Tebow was a first rounder solely because of Josh McDaniels.
Xplosive
01-17-2011, 10:22 PM
Fairley's a renowned "dirty" player, too. I want him. :(
he is a solid player, i would take him or patrick peterson.
X
Langlier
01-19-2011, 02:37 PM
yea Fairley/Peterson should be gone by pick 5. I'm not sold on Peterson strictly because I don't know if he's fast enough.
I think Peterson might suprise you.
Word is Patrick Peterson is going to lay down a huge workout at the combine with Chris Johnson type speed. Peterson is in Florida working with Sam Madison on his defensive back skills.
Langlier
01-19-2011, 04:59 PM
if peterson blazes anything past a 4.4 - I'll be VERY surprised.
And many draft boards will be shuffled. He's already high on most, if not all, I would expect. If cuz run a sub-4.4 at his size, it's over. He might go #2 to Denver.
BigTron
01-19-2011, 10:45 PM
I think Peterson goes #2. They need someone to stop DHB!!!! hahaha
Langlier
01-20-2011, 12:29 PM
And many draft boards will be shuffled. He's already high on most, if not all, I would expect. If cuz run a sub-4.4 at his size, it's over. He might go #2 to Denver.
hes high up because despite his timed speed he's got football speed. But I very much doubt he gets into the 4.3 range.
Per usual, there are people claiming that he can. We'll see. It'd be damn impressive if he could, but a 4.45 would be great.
TheMadStork
01-22-2011, 01:03 PM
Per usual, there are people claiming that he can. We'll see. It'd be damn impressive if he could, but a 4.45 would be great.
Kim Newton wasn't as good a college QB as Jason Campbell. I don't know what that has to do with the price of eggs, but Al said it, so it must be important.
Probably means Al plans to trade up for Kim and move him to WR. Ya know...to prove a point.
hawaiianboy
02-23-2011, 08:27 PM
The more Cam Newton opens his mouth, the more signals go out that you shouldn't go near this kid with a 10 foot pole... Already talking about being an entertainer and icon, next thing he'll want to be a Brand ala Lebron... :shakehead:
CrossBones
02-24-2011, 07:01 AM
The more Cam Newton opens his mouth, the more signals go out that you shouldn't go near this kid with a 10 foot pole... Already talking about being an entertainer and icon, next thing he'll want to be a Brand ala Lebron... :shakehead:Well you finally got on the bus, huh?
This guy is going to be a problem. His background is flawed and the red flags are flying!
Sleet
02-24-2011, 07:38 AM
Fuck Kim . . . [Bassinger]. :D
TheMadStork
02-24-2011, 07:51 AM
Methinks someone needs to hand Mr. Newton a list of college QB's who won national titles and never did crap in the pros.
Entertainer??? "The Oscar for Best Supporting Clipboard Holder goes to..."
Sleet
02-24-2011, 08:03 AM
The rookie salary cap couldn't come soon enough to save an NFL franchise from itself, and could even enable a team to draft him in the Top 10 w/o killing their team.
Kaepernick in coach and Newton in first class flying to the combine, LOL.
Bunting found it interesting...
Jamarcus 2.0
Deadbolt
02-24-2011, 11:45 AM
Cam Newton's just doing what's best for Cam Newton
TheMadStork
02-24-2011, 11:50 AM
Cam Newton's just doing what's best for Cam Newton
I'm pretty sure that running his mouth about how great he is before he's ever thrown a single pass as a pro isn't necessarily in his own best interests.
Deadbolt
02-24-2011, 11:53 AM
I know. I was kidding.
TheMadStork
02-24-2011, 12:00 PM
I know. I was kidding.
I knew you were kidding. But you were correct, too. He is doing what he thinks is best for him. I just can't believe that he's not smart enough to figure out that he's probably shooting himself in the foot. If he's really that dumb, that doesn't say much for his prospects to be a great QB.
Sleet
02-24-2011, 12:14 PM
I knew you were kidding. But you were correct, too. He is doing what he thinks is best for him. I just can't believe that he's not smart enough to figure out that he's probably shooting himself in the foot. If he's really that dumb, that doesn't say much for his prospects to be a great QB.
It just takes one owner or GM. And every year, there's several owners and GMs that get fooled. Even though the red-flags are right in front of them.
Random Dude
02-24-2011, 12:55 PM
Kaepernick in coach and Newton in first class flying to the combine, LOL.
Bunting found it interesting...
Jamarcus 2.0
Being a Nevada alum, I gotta root for Kaepernick. That said, I wonder how his game will translate to the NFL. He has all the measurables (6'6", rocket arm, and fast). However, he played under Ault, who has always had a gimmicky offense.He uses alot of misdirection. The Pistol is his invention for the most part too.
BTW - Ault is one of the few active college coaches in the College HOF.
Deadbolt
02-24-2011, 01:44 PM
I knew you were kidding. But you were correct, too. He is doing what he thinks is best for him. I just can't believe that he's not smart enough to figure out that he's probably shooting himself in the foot. If he's really that dumb, that doesn't say much for his prospects to be a great QB.
Yeah, I really don't know much about the guy as person, but I saw him drop a couple third person references in a pre-Heisman interview, which is always cringeworthy.
That's just Cammy being Cammy.
Deadbolt
02-24-2011, 03:28 PM
I know tons of pro athletes do that crap, but the two worst offenders have to be Vince Young and Lebron. Just ultimate "look at me" superdouche behavior.
RaiderRobert
02-24-2011, 04:06 PM
Keyshawn Johnson did that shit at USC. Said he shouldn't be allowed to play against collegiate corners...
Sleet
02-27-2011, 04:10 PM
This guy is such a douche. I think I'm going to end up rooting for him to fail.
“Frustrated” Cam Newton admits “I underestimated the timing”
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 27, 2011, 7:04 PM EST
Hours after an NFL Scouting Combine performance that one scout said “looks terrible,” Auburn quarterback Cam Newton acknowledged that he struggled.
But Newton said his struggles were just a matter of not knowing the receivers he was working with — and he seemed to suggest that throwing to slower receivers from smaller schools was a problem.
“I underestimated the timing aspect of playing quarterback,” Newton told NFL Network. “You had receivers from the SEC, the SWAC, the MAC. . . . I was somewhat frustrated, but at the same time, I was having fun out there.”
In the same NFL Network appearance, Marshall Faulk needled Newton about his infamous “entertainer and icon” comment, and Newton tried his best to put that comment in perspective.
“My response [to Sport Illustrated‘s Peter King] was, I view myself as that due to the fact that I’m not only going to just be selling football cleats, I’m going to be selling lifestyle apparel — everything else,” he said. “I could have picked way more [different] words to express what I really wanted to say. I want to personally apologize to everybody who was offended about it.”
Now Newton will prepare for a March 8 Pro Day workout that he hopes won’t result in another round of explanations for a sub-par performance.
hawaiianboy
12-30-2011, 06:41 PM
:norv:
You realize every team in the NFL has a forum where you could probably bump a dozen threads about 'not wanting to draft Cam Newton'.
Whatever the reason the guy has proved many draft fans and real evaluators wrong this year, myself included.
He's a fuckin beast.
Vince Young was Rookie of the Year. That's all I'm saying.
CrossBones
12-31-2011, 06:14 AM
You realize every team in the NFL has a forum where you could probably bump a dozen threads about 'not wanting to draft Cam Newton'.
Whatever the reason the guy has proved many draft fans and real evaluators wrong this year, myself included.
He's a fuckin beast.Now here will be 2 million threads about Robert Griffin. I'll say it now -- he's no Cam Newton. :p
hawaiianboy
12-31-2011, 11:06 AM
You realize every team in the NFL has a forum where you could probably bump a dozen threads about 'not wanting to draft Cam Newton'.
Good God, you've been very angry since you got married... Pipes backed up?
Thought it would fun to see how we all missed... Guess not...
Postmaster
12-31-2011, 11:12 AM
Good God, you've been very angry since you got married... Pipes backed up?
Thought it would fun to see how we all missed... Guess not...
Whiling we are having fun, let's look up Nick Holt. :D
hawaiianboy
12-31-2011, 11:20 AM
Was Nick Holt the one who thought we should play more Tampa2 zone?
That dumb bastard!
Postmaster
12-31-2011, 11:22 AM
Was Nick Holt the one who thought we should play more Tampa2 zone?
That dumb bastard!
Nick Holt was fired today. Should we bring him in?
hawaiianboy
12-31-2011, 11:23 AM
I dunno, let me axe Marshawn Lynch...
Postmaster
12-31-2011, 11:28 AM
I dunno, let me axe Marshawn Lynch...
Ask Singletary, he'll know.
Good God, you've been very angry since you got married... Pipes backed up?
Thought it would fun to see how we all missed... Guess not...
No it was funny man.
I was reading the comments, most people were on the same page in here.
Intrigued but gunshy.
I can live with that.
hawaiianboy
12-31-2011, 11:46 AM
Ask Singletary, he'll know.
I tried but he was out watching a chick flick with Gradkowski...
You guys must keep lists.
hawaiianboy
12-31-2011, 11:51 AM
You guys must keep lists.
There's a whole website dedicated to my dumbassery... I'm famous for more than my big penis and dating a young Jess Alba...
There's a whole website dedicated to my dumbassery... I'm famous for more than my big penis and dating a young Jess Alba...
I was gonna bump my Richard Sherman pimping from last year, but I figured you would bump ten of my misses too. ;)
He's been the best rookie CB this year.
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