Campbell vs Gradkowski

[NIPS]

Imma give Campbell 2 more games- and he had better throw for 200+ yards and score twice or he's outta here

I gotta believe this OL is a little better than that collection of shit we had last year and Grads didnt seem to have a problem scoring

Remember that seam route he hit Murphy on agaisnt the Niners?

Campbell while he seems to have all the tangibles- he doesnt have "it"

Gradkowski has "it"

Gradkowski gives this team the best chance to win- he's proven it more than once.

He's a smarter QB- he can read defenses better than Campbell and he can get outta trouble when it heats up...

Especially with this collection of dogshit we have on the OL

Grads is our best chance of winning games

Seeing as we dont have a 1st rd pick-

You can pretty much expect Aso and Seymour to walk after the year and if they do, with no 1st rd pick... This franchise is completely done, over, will never be what it once was

[Postmaster]

We are going to waste games with him on the bench. I do think at least 2 or 3 of our QB's will end up on IR but at least we have a chance with Grad until he is injured.

Campbell is a dud.

[TheNextStep]

Put a great quarterback behind a bad line and you get losses. Put a mediocre quarterback behind a bad line and you get losses. Put a bad quarterback behind a bad line and you get losses.

It doesn't matter if it's Campbell, Gradkowski, Manning, Brady... our line stunk it up today. If Cable has any pride in his profession, he'd better take this ass-whipping personally.

[CrossBones]

You can pretty much expect Aso and Seymour to walk after the year and if they do, with no 1st rd pick... This franchise is completely done, over, will never be what it once was
I'm not sure but I don't think there is anything we can do about them walking after this year. And if this shit continues I think it's almost a surety both are gone. Can't blame either one of them. Aso put in his time. He deserves to play for a decent team at this point. Seympur gave it the old college try.

Oakland...the place elephants go to die. Wonder what RoMcClain is thinking? Scary.

[Postmaster]

Put a great quarterback behind a bad line and you get losses. Put a mediocre quarterback behind a bad line and you get losses. Put a bad quarterback behind a bad line and you get losses.

It doesn't matter if it's Campbell, Gradkowski, Manning, Brady... our line stunk it up today. If Cable has any pride in his profession, he'd better take this ass-whipping personally.

Put a QB behind center that the whole team rallies around and you have a chance.

[raiderfreak7]

If Grad was starting today we would've had the Thanksgiving day all over again.

[Postmaster]

If Grad was starting today we would've had the Thanksgiving day all over again.

I would of taken that over some of Campbell's follies today.

[raiderfreak7]

I would of taken that over some of Campbell's follies today.

Go for it. Either way we're not going to win or even have a chance to.

[TheNextStep]

Put a QB behind center that the whole team rallies around and you have a chance.
Fair point.

That said, I am not going to rush to judge Campbell after all of 1 start. I know that in the past we've been waaaay too reluctant to give a guy the hook... but there's something to be said for not going to it too early either.

[Postmaster]

Go for it. Either way we're not going to win or even have a chance to.

Says you?

We will see soon enough what Grad can do with this team.

[CrossBones]

All this is good food for thought but pulling Campbell after this one terrible game, of which a lot was not his fault, would be wrong. Gotta give the guy at least three games. After that...you gotta do what you gotta do.

[Madturk]

Man you guys need to chill a bit. It's Campbell's first start and the guy had absolutely no chance today behind that sieve of an OL. I don't think Grads would have fared all that much better honestly.

[Postmaster]

Man you guys need to chill a bit. It's Campbell's first start and the guy had absolutely no chance today behind that sieve of an OL. I don't think Grads would have fared all that much better honestly.

My problem is every single fuckin thing Skins fans were harping about came true.

Every single one.

He is what he is.

This team needs a leader. How can Campbell be a leader with some of the fag shit he did today?

[celticraider]

All this is good food for thought but pulling Campbell after this one terrible game, of which a lot was not his fault, would be wrong. Gotta give the guy at least three games. After that...you gotta do what you gotta do.

It isn't one game, there is 4 years of blah gamefilm telling us this guy is a scrub.

[boknowsvt]

All I gotta say is Campbell better being wearing earplugs if he looks as bad at home next week as he did today. The Grads chant is going to be going strong if he looks like JaMarcus again.

[DarkDays]

Imma give Campbell 2 more games- and he had better throw for 200+ yards and score twice or he's outta here

I gotta believe this OL is a little better than that collection of shit we had last year and Grads didnt seem to have a problem scoring

Remember that seam route he hit Murphy on agaisnt the Niners?

Campbell while he seems to have all the tangibles- he doesnt have "it"

Gradkowski has "it"

Gradkowski gives this team the best chance to win- he's proven it more than once.

He's a smarter QB- he can read defenses better than Campbell and he can get outta trouble when it heats up...

Especially with this collection of dogshit we have on the OL

Grads is our best chance of winning games

Seeing as we dont have a 1st rd pick-

You can pretty much expect Aso and Seymour to walk after the year and if they do, with no 1st rd pick... This franchise is completely done, over, will never be what it once was
The thought of this scares the hell out of me

[DarkDays]

All I gotta say is Campbell better being wearing earplugs if he looks as bad at home next week as he did today. The Grads chant is going to be going strong if he looks like JaMarcus again.

the stadium will be at a quarter of capacity so no problem shutting out the mumbles pro grad. :pound:

[CrossBones]

It isn't one game, there is 4 years of blah gamefilm telling us this guy is a scrub.I won't argue that point. But still the Raiders brought into him and they need to at least give him a few games to hang himself. I'd expect a better showing from the OL next week but who the hell knows.

[DarthRaidor]

The thought of this scares the hell out of me

I accepted this as truth at the end of last year.

[SoCalRaider]

I won't argue that point. But still the Raiders brought into him and they need to at least give him a few games to hang himself.

And I think the same mistake that was made with Russell is being made with this reasoning. Russell was giftwrapped 30-60 million dollars without earning or deserving a penny of it. Not only did it impact his effort, but that cancer spread to the rest of the team as everybody mailed it in the second he stepped onto the field....

The Raiders are in dangerous territory right now as the same abortion is playing itself out all over again. They've giftwrapped the starting position to a QB who has neither earned it or deserves by virtue of "we spent more money / picks" to get him.... While it won't impact his effort like it did with Russell.... this cancer will hit the lockerroom and guys will mail it in like they did today. When we lose next week with this QB and everybody mails it in (and I'm guaranteeing a loss next week with this QB).... the season will be over. Guaranteed.

And the blame will rest 100% on this type of reasoning. A QB who has neither earned or deserved the right to play the most important position on the team will play there because of what was spent to get him. Stupid. Just because you spent a little bit to get him doesn't mean you need to suddenly justify the acquisition by starting him over a more deserving player.

[Raidermania12]

And I think the same mistake that was made with Russell is being made with this reasoning.
That's moot since he was a drug addict anyways. It is the right reasoning in most cases. And if you're thinking otherwise maybe you should worry more about Velly learning Center on everyone else's time(isnt even ready to make the blocking reads and adjustments especially is Cooper is doing it for him). Thats where we lost this game. All you're itching to do is see Gradkowski get his lil body broken in two otherwise.

[Raider Bill]

My problem is every single fuckin thing Skins fans were harping about came true.

Every single one.

He is what he is.

?

This.. today's game read like a KFFL skins forum post about campbell.

Overthrown deep ball check

slide like a retart check

2 yard pass on 3rd and 10 check

[Raidermania12]

This.. today's game read like a KFFL skins forum post about campbell.

Overthrown deep ball check

slide like a retart check

2 yard pass on 3rd and 10 check
Oddly their O-line sucked too. What are the chances??!! :eek:

[Postmaster]

This.. today's game read like a KFFL skins forum post about campbell.

Overthrown deep ball check

slide like a retart check

2 yard pass on 3rd and 10 check

The passion of a rotten banana: Check

[Raider Bill]

The passion of a rotten banana: Check

He does look like a big mope out there

[fatdog]

I don't know if Grads would have fared much better with this line, but he wouldn't have slid before the 1st down marker. The guy is a fighter and I don't think Cambell posses that fighting instinct.

[Postmaster]

I don't know if Grads would have fared much better with this line, but he wouldn't have slid before the 1st down marker. The guy is a fighter and I don't think Cambell posses that fighting instinct.

No QB here since Gannon has that fighter mentality. Grad is the closet we have come to that personality.

It isn't thought of as a quality in this organization.

Throwing the ball 70 yards is. Even if the throws are incomplete or intercepted.

[fatdog]

No QB here since Gannon has that fighter mentality. Grad is the closet we have come to that personality.

It isn't thought of as a quality in this organization.

Throwing the ball 70 yards is. Even if the throws are incomplete or intercepted.

I agree and I think the team responds to his fighter mentality. They seem to play with more attitude when he is under center.

[Sleet]

I don't know whether Grad would have done better. My guess, he would have.

But that doesn't mean you make a QB switch. If Campbell doesn't lead the team to victory v. St. L., then I'll start to listen to such calls. Campbell and the team need to bounce back and win, and hopefully look good doing it. They need to win the next two, cause Houston's looking good.

[SoCalRaider]

That's moot since he was a drug addict anyways. It is the right reasoning in most cases. And if you're thinking otherwise maybe you should worry more about Velly learning Center on everyone else's time(isnt even ready to make the blocking reads and adjustments especially is Cooper is doing it for him). Thats where we lost this game. All you're itching to do is see Gradkowski get his lil body broken in two otherwise.

The topic is about the QBs... not the OLine.... Now if you want to tie the OLine back to QB play.... you're making a stronger case for Grad than scholarship. Scholarship was never able to produce behind a substandard OLine either here or in Washington, but Grad has produced. You can point to Grad's superior leadership, Grad's superior mobility, or the fact that the OLine has a greater margin for error with a guy like Grad in there as some of the many reasons why Grad is the QB that will give a young team like this the best chance to win.

[TheNextStep]

Scholarship is such a ridiculous name for a guy who been on the team for a couple of months and played in all of 1 game. I mean, seriously? I get it when people wanted to rag on James Jett as a "scholarship" guy or Alvis Whitted (though I never got the hate for him) as a "scholarship" guy... but Campbell? Really?

"The backup quarterback is always the most popular guy on the team"

[Raider Outlaw]

That might be apparent to anybody with a clue after watching the revolving door here since 2004. Collins has even gone on to another team and had major success, but it's still the QB instead of our sorry ass line and lack of any consistent threats in the passing game with speed. Fucking amazing.

Maybe once Campbell is placed on IR, this dumb ass fascination with thinking a QB will change our fortunes by himself, especially these average ones we have on our roster, can be put to rest once and for all and we can finally get to the business of gutting this offensive line group. I want all of them replaced, even Gallery. He can't stay healthy.





Put a great quarterback behind a bad line and you get losses. Put a mediocre quarterback behind a bad line and you get losses. Put a bad quarterback behind a bad line and you get losses.

It doesn't matter if it's Campbell, Gradkowski, Manning, Brady... our line stunk it up today. If Cable has any pride in his profession, he'd better take this ass-whipping personally.

[SoCalRaider]

Considering scholarship was handed the job the second he arrived... and considering scholarship did absolutely nothing in the preseason to show he deserved to start... and considering game 1 was simply an extension of what took place in the preseason.... I am really starting to like the name scholarship. :D

The reason the backup QB is the most popular player on the team is because the backup QB has been the best QB on the team for the last 4 seasons. Why bother starting the best QB on the team when you can have him hold a clipboard instead.... :rolleyes:

[Raider Outlaw]

What's funny is that anyone would see a 6th year QB who's done less with more somewhre else would be some kind of savior. Campbell is an average NFL starter, that's very well established, a stop gap I think I've called him this off-season among other things.

However, until you fix that line, it won't matter. Defenses would tailor their game plan to Gradkowski, just like they do to Campbell. They are both average NFL starters, limited. Why that's not apparent, I don't know. How Gradkowski became great because he was better than deuce is beyond me.

Rotate the mother fuckers, at least they won't be able to game plan for one guy and totally eliminate him. The Raiders make game plans up like they're the fucking Patriots, well established team with a good offense. We need to think outside the box, we just need to get wins until this team can get their shit together. Do what Ken Whisenhunt did 3 years ago. Shit, whatever you have to do to get this team on track.

Run some fucking wildcat....it was McFadden's god damn play in college, but Miami's been doing it since 2008 to great success. Do something.


This.. today's game read like a KFFL skins forum post about campbell.

Overthrown deep ball check

slide like a retart check

2 yard pass on 3rd and 10 check

[Raider Outlaw]

Yes, because those are the games these people who think a QB switch will make a huge difference ignore. Gradkowski, once teams started game planning for him last year, wasn't that good either because he didn't have time to throw and had nobody to consistently throw to.

The one game that he did get time with a solid running game behind him, he had a great game. Funny how that works. However, scrutinize the QB position as the cause of a problem that's spanned several different guys, gasp, including Gradkowski.



If Grad was starting today we would've had the Thanksgiving day all over again.

[DonkeyKilla]

"This franchise is completely done, over, will never be what it once was"
That shipped fucking sailed already.
Gradkowski gives us the best chance to win right now. I say start him or Cable's a big pussy. I'm not blaming Campbell for our woes- i'm just saying with our shitty ass line Gradkowski is a better option and he might be with a better line too.

[Raidermania12]

Scholarship is such a ridiculous name for a guy who been on the team for a couple of months and played in all of 1 game. I mean, seriously? I get it when people wanted to rag on James Jett as a "scholarship" guy or Alvis Whitted (though I never got the hate for him) as a "scholarship" guy... but Campbell? Really?

"The backup quarterback is always the most popular guy on the team"
Ignore Socal, he's been hell bent on this agenda after Gradkowski's first preseason TD. Don't know where on this green earth he got the McClain bashing from(maybe mcclain dissed USC), but that part especially is hard to take seriously.

[Raidermania12]

The topic is about the QBs... not the OLine.... .
No offense intended, but keep that nonsense to yourself please. don't try to tell me i have to be narrow minded like they aren't connected in the big picture of things. NO QB is being successful if the line blocks like it did. Not Drew Brees, not Brett Favre, Not even Aaron Rodgers. So yea it is part of the "topic". :rolleyes:

[DarkDays]

Scholarship is such a ridiculous name for a guy who been on the team for a couple of months and played in all of 1 game. I mean, seriously? I get it when people wanted to rag on James Jett as a "scholarship" guy or Alvis Whitted (though I never got the hate for him) as a "scholarship" guy... but Campbell? Really?

"The backup quarterback is always the most popular guy on the team"
Um it is hilarious do you really need a better reason than that? :D

One thing is clear though, Grad is in a better mold to handle the pressure that comes with the worst oline possibly in the history of modern football. Campbell came with some of the same shortcomings that Jabustus possessed like having a hard time feeling pressure, taking to many sacks and running with the ball outside his body. You could have put a fat suit on Campbell and gave him the 2 jersey and one might not tell the difference (90 percent the oline) but the result is the same none the less.

Right now, not next year or maybe even next month, but right now we need Grads. If people can not see the impact grads has when he steps out on the field they are running with tunnel vision. Grad will get more out of this team right now than Campbell that is not conjecture we have already seen this in game situations. If it's about the win now mentality we all seem to exhibit after years of what we witnessed Sunday then why not Grad?

[Postmaster]

Um it is hilarious do you really need a better reason than that. :D

One thing is clear though, Grad is in a better mold to handle the pressure that comes with the worst oline possibly in the history of modern football. Campbell came with some of the same shortcomings that Jabustus possessed like having a hard time feeling pressure, taking to many sacks and running with the ball outside his body. You could have put a fat suit on Campbell and gave him the 2 jersey and one might not tell the difference.

Right now not next year or maybe even next month but right now we need Grads. If people can not see the impact grads has when he steps out on the field they are running with tunnel vision. Grad will get more out of this team right now than Campbell and if it's about the win now mentality we all seem to exhibit after years of what we witnessed Sunday then why not Grad?

"Jason Campbell is Jamarcus Russell with a work ethic."

[YodasBeast]

Considering scholarship was handed the job the second he arrived... and considering scholarship did absolutely nothing in the preseason to show he deserved to start... and considering game 1 was simply an extension of what took place in the preseason.... I am really starting to like the name scholarship. :D

The reason the backup QB is the most popular player on the team is because the backup QB has been the best QB on the team for the last 4 seasons. Why bother starting the best QB on the team when you can have him hold a clipboard instead.... :rolleyes:

Campbell was handed the job because Grad was injured yet again when camp started. If Grad would have come in healthy and uninjured like Campbell was, I truly believe that it would have been an honest QB competition.

That said, I give Campbell 2 more games to get his shit together or we try things with Gradkowski.

[RaiderNorth]

Campbell was horrible on Sunday. No way around it. I think Grad would have done better, not a lot, but at least there would have been more heart.
But Campbell didn't look bad at all in pre-season -- sustained opening drives, pretty decent numbers. Yeah, it was only pre-season, but it's still too soon to throw him under the bus. Curly, that's another matter.

[DarkDays]

What's funny is that anyone would see a 6th year QB who's done less with more somewhre else would be some kind of savior. Campbell is an average NFL starter, that's very well established, a stop gap I think I've called him this off-season among other things.

However, until you fix that line, it won't matter. Defenses would tailor their game plan to Gradkowski, just like they do to Campbell. They are both average NFL starters, limited. Why that's not apparent, I don't know. How Gradkowski became great because he was better than deuce is beyond me.

Rotate the mother fuckers, at least they won't be able to game plan for one guy and totally eliminate him. The Raiders make game plans up like they're the fucking Patriots, well established team with a good offense. We need to think outside the box, we just need to get wins until this team can get their shit together. Do what Ken Whisenhunt did 3 years ago. Shit, whatever you have to do to get this team on track.

Run some fucking wildcat....it was McFadden's god damn play in college, but Miami's been doing it since 2008 to great success. Do something.

All great points but easily countered. Grad is the lesser of two evils admit it. He has better chemistry with the WRs, knows the offense better and he has proven that he can read defenses better. Look at game film behind an Oline that was weaker last year. No body is crowning Grads ass they are simply stating the fact as proven by nfl films.

[TheMadStork]

All great points but easily countered. Grad is the lesser of two evils admit it. He has better chemistry with the WRs, knows the offense better and he has proven that he can read defenses better. Look at game film behind an Oline that was weaker last year. No body is crowning Grads ass they are simply stating the fact as proven by nfl films.

What it comes down to is that team trusts Gradkowski and plays better as a unit when he's in there. This team doesn't just need a QB, it needs a leader.

[Postmaster]

What it comes down to is which QB on THIS roster gives THIS team the best chance to win?

If you don't say Gradkowski, you are in denial.

[DarkDays]

What it comes down to is which QB on THIS roster gives THIS team the best chance to win?

If you don't say Gradkowski, you are in denial.

The proof is in the pudding
http://www.rklau.com/tins/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/SP32-20060528-223740.jpg

[Raider Bill]

Washington went on a tear when they benched Cambpell's ass for Todd friggin Collins.

Laughable that people were pointing and laughing at JC's situation in Washington like it was worse than what Al has going on here.

[Postmaster]

Washington went on a tear when they benched Cambpell's ass for Todd friggin Collins.

Laughable that people were pointing and laughing at JC's situation in Washington like it was worse than what Al has going on here.

I am not saying JC couldn't be a serviceable QB in this league but he needs all the pieces around him to be in place.

We don't have any of those pieces in place that would allow him to be successful here as far as I can tell and he didn't have it in DC either.

Grad can make chicken salad out of chicken shit. That is what he gives us.

Can Grad get us to the playoffs? Highly doubtful.

Can Grad makes us competitive and put up a fight most weeks? Absolutely.

[Madturk]

Grad can make chicken salad out of chicken shit. That is what he gives us.

Can Grad get us to the playoffs? Highly doubtful.

Can Grad makes us competitive and put up a fight most weeks? Absolutely.

Until he gets injured. I give Campbell until week 3, then I consider a change. Really should win these next two games if we have any chance of getting near 500 or better. This place is going to be miserable if we lose to the Rams.

[Postmaster]

Until he gets injured. I give Campbell until week 3, then I consider a change. Really should win these next two games if we have any chance of getting near 500 or better. This place is going to be miserable if we lose to the Rams.

*Until he gets injured.

Agreed but sitting on the sidelines is pretty much like being injured no?

You can't be scared of injury in this league, but that is obvious.

[jatfly]

I love Grad......he isn't starting anytime soon so it doesn't matter. We signed Jason to a big deal and Al isn't gonna have him pulled.....

I would have loved to go into the season with just him and boller but we went out and got Jason and he is good, but with this effin line it doesn't matter......We need to scheme better and use the TE's to help block more...

[Madturk]

The sad part is we had six OL in there at times and still couldn't slow them up.

[Postmaster]

I love Grad......he isn't starting anytime soon so it doesn't matter. We signed Jason to a big deal and Al isn't gonna have him pulled.....

I would have loved to go into the season with just him and boller but we went out and got Jason and he is good, but with this effin line it doesn't matter......We need to scheme better and use the TE's to help block more...

I doubt Campbell can play in a body cast. We will see Grad soon enough with "Bowler" in the batter's circle.

[Sabers]

As long as the Raider offensive line sucks this badly, I'll withhold judgment on Jason Campbell. That said, there were some deer-in-the-headlights aspects to his game that you just can't have at this level. And he may be the only QB in the NFL in need of a third-base coach.

"Slide, Jason, sli--...no, no,Jason, DON'T slide, DON'T SLIDE!!"

Even so, a tackling dummy wouldn't be safe behind The Five Turnstiles up front.

G.

[TheMadStork]

As long as the Raider offensive line sucks this badly, I'll withhold judgment on Jason Campbell. That said, there were some deer-in-the-headlights aspects to his game that you just can't have at this level. And he may be the only QB in the NFL in need of a third-base coach.

"Slide, Jason, sli--...no, no,Jason, DON'T slide, DON'T SLIDE!!"

Even so, a tackling dummy wouldn't be safe behind The Five Turnstiles up front.

G.

It was The Six Turnstiles on occasion, not that it made any difference...

[Raidermania12]

They got through on our max protect. When that's happening you get the impression there's no leadership on the o-line. Even if grove is injury prone, or hartwig had issues pass blocking in preseason, I still say we snatch one of them to bring in a center who knows the position well enough to at least keep everyone on the same page.

[BigPoppaPump]

I think some of you guys are being crazy. I mean, did you watch the game? Campbell was not getting helped out by the line or his guys catching the balls. Jason had at least 4 crucial passes dropped by his guys. Murph had a couple horrible drops (the TD he should have fought for and the seam route he half assed on), McFadden on a nice dump off that would have gone for 20.

I am not saying he did not play bad, but damn some of you are killing me here.

I also blame the WRs for not getting a lot of separation. Tough to throw to guys that are not getting open.


I am also starting to get a laugh at how many people act like Bruce is anything. Dude is a retread that did not look that good when he played last year. He got lucky in Pitt, looked putrid in Dallas and then went down (once again) in the next game if memory serves. The dude makes Rob Johnson seem tough. Whatever....

[Diceq]

I doubt Campbell can play in a body cast. We will see Grad soon enough with "Bowler" in the batter's circle.

This the Dan Pastorini/ Jim Plunkett scenario again

[Freezetag168]

This the Dan Pastorini/ Jim Plunkett scenario again

Without a competent offensive line.

[london raider 2]

I think some of you guys are being crazy. I mean, did you watch the game? Campbell was not getting helped out by the line or his guys catching the balls. Jason had at least 4 crucial passes dropped by his guys. Murph had a couple horrible drops (the TD he should have fought for and the seam route he half assed on), McFadden on a nice dump off that would have gone for 20.

I am not saying he did not play bad, but damn some of you are killing me here.

I also blame the WRs for not getting a lot of separation. Tough to throw to guys that are not getting open.


I am also starting to get a laugh at how many people act like Bruce is anything. Dude is a retread that did not look that good when he played last year. He got lucky in Pitt, looked putrid in Dallas and then went down (once again) in the next game if memory serves. The dude makes Rob Johnson seem tough. Whatever....

Agree with that BPP - think HB said there is a reason why he hasnt been a starter at previous teams.

Not saying hes not better than Campbell but he aint the Messiah hes a journeyman

[Raidermania12]

I am also starting to get a laugh at how many people act like Bruce is anything. Dude is a retread that did not look that good when he played last year. He got lucky in Pitt, looked putrid in Dallas and then went down (once again) in the next game if memory serves. The dude makes Rob Johnson seem tough. Whatever....

You're starting pretty cool fire there. :) but yea His body of work isn't that special.

[NIPS]

I am also starting to get a laugh at how many people act like Bruce is anything. Dude is a retread that did not look that good when he played last year. He got lucky in Pitt, looked putrid in Dallas and then went down (once again) in the next game if memory serves. The dude makes Rob Johnson seem tough. Whatever....

Huh?

Dude- have youve actually paid attention to the shit this team has fielded at the QB position since Gannon went down?

Giggles, Culpepper, Mirer, Walter, Russel????

Gradkowski looked like fucking Montana compared to those stiffs

That seam route pass to Murphy vs the Niners #1's was beatiful- that Steelers game was a thing of beauty..

We have NEVER had a QB ever do what this kid has the last 7 years- and thats all that matters in my book

Kids a winner- thats what he does- The shit we have on OL?

Gradkowski is the best thing we got right now- I dont give a damn how poised Campbell is or how far he can throw the ball

Right now, until we fix this line..

Gradkowski gives the Raiders the best chance to win- because quite frankly- he's our best QB- maybe not great- but the best one on our roster because he can sense trouble and he can get out of it when the line breaks down better than Campbell

And he and Murphy have a "connection"

Isnt the object to win football games?

If so...

Gradkowski gives us the best chance to win

Theres simply no debating that

[Limee]

Campbell was handed the job because Grad was injured yet again when camp started. If Grad would have come in healthy and uninjured like Campbell was, I truly believe that it would have been an honest QB competition.

That said, I give Campbell 2 more games to get his shit together or we try things with Gradkowski.

:nono: Don't go bringing facts like Gradkowski not being able to stay healthy into this.

[Sleet]

Campbell's going to start until he flops. He's taken one step to flopping. He can easily reverse fields, though. The coaches are going to give him a full opportunity to fail or succeed.

That's just how its going to be.

[Madturk]

Not to change the subject but Matt Stafford is dreamy:p

[NIPS]

False hope-fools gold

We had no business signing Campbell off of the market and just giving him the job

Shoulda been an open competition

Especially after the way the team responded to Gradkowski after last year

Gannon was a journey man himself, never getting a fair shake and look what he did

Al Davis is a stubborn fuck... fuck hurting feelings and Fuck Campbells family- he's already rich so dont give me the shit he's struggling to feed is family- he can go fuck himself

Jason Campbell can be an "okay" QB... providing you put a all-pro OLin front of him.. well- that shit dont work

And I dont wanna hear about how bad this OL is- I watch 10 games yesterday and every teams OL got beat and every other QB had to break out of a broken play or a tackle that got beat

It happens all the fuckin time on sundays.. yes even the Patriots

The difference?

QB's

Good ones know how to read defenses, sense pressure, throw the ball away

Not take sacks and force throws and get intercepted when the heats on

Really now.. How comical was it that we get a delay of penalty after a fuckin timeout?

Go home and cry to your fuckin wife

Leave the game to winners

[Sleet]

We had no business signing Campbell off of the market and just giving him the job

Shoulda been an open competition

Especially after the way the team responded to Gradkowski after last year



I disagree, but no need to take up arms about it.

[hawaiianboy]

I knew there would be a thread like this at the very first sign of trouble...

Would Grad be better as the starter? I dunno... certainly not a lock IMO since the #1 reason given for his awful game last year vs Dallas was the O-line's inability to keep him clean vs a good pass rush... Kinda the same thing we saw happening yesterday with a similar performance resulting...


The one thing I really don't get is the whole "The Man is keeping him down" line of thinking... When exactly was he supposed to compete for the starting job? When he was rehabbing from the hurt knees at the end of last season? During OTA's when he was rehabbing from the torn pec? During training camp when he was rehabbing from the hurt hammy? Were we really supposed to hold our water on the QB competition till the week leading up to the 3rd pre-season game while we were in the process of installing a new offense?... The guy's body has been his own worst enemy... He certainly was given the chance last season to earn the shot to be the starter going into this season and his body let him down 3 and half games into that audition... Plus it's not like the Raiders are that much more financially invested in JC (3.1M) than Grads (1.8M) that money would be a prohibitive factor... We gave up so little for Campbell that I doubt we'd have trouble with the hook if he's continually ineffective...

If the Raiders want to make a change in QB's, fine with me even though I believe that save for an elite QB, anybody put back there would have been all that effective with the jailbreak to the QB going on... I like the way Bruce plays WHEN he has protection... but I find it hard to ignore that this guy's durability is on par with Schilens, though he doesn't take near the same grief over it nor do we see any "Glasskowski" references for whatever reasons...

[Postmaster]

It made too much sense to sign Campbell given Grads injuries in the offseason.

It would of been stupid to go into the season with him as the No.1 QB without a backup plan.

That being said, he gives this team the best chance to win or at least be competitive this year. No playoffs, no winning record, just the best chance to put up a fight.

His likelihood for injury is pretty high up there, but so what. He isn't scared to get hurt and I guarantee he wouldn't slide 2 yards short of a 1st down like we saw yesterday.

Did it look like the team had confidence in Campbell yesterday? Did it look like Campbell had confidence in his teammates?

Grad gets and gives confidence to this team for whatever that is worth. Not a lot to some on here obviously.

[TheNextStep]

It looked like Campbell didn't have confidence in his offensive linemen... and who could blame him?

[Raider Bill]

Campbell rocks back on his heels before recieving the snap, causing half of his problems yesterday

[TheNextStep]

Perhaps because the rookie, first time starter, has played the position for a couple of weeks center was a little slow with the snap?

Or is that too implausible and it's easier to blame everything on a quarterback who had no protection from ANY of his linemen all day?

[Postmaster]

It looked like Campbell didn't have confidence in his offensive linemen... and who could blame him?

The D didn't have much confidence in Campbell either after he pussed out on that slide.

You know it's bad when Tommy Kelly is getting in your face telling you that you f'ed up.

[TommyGirl]

Grad gets and gives confidence to this team for whatever that is worth. Not a lot to some on here obviously.

You're basing this on last season when the option was going from Russell to Gradkowski. Why would they not feel more confident with ANYBODY but Russell? I don't think it's fair to say that this season. Not after one game.

[TommyGirl]

Perhaps because the rookie, first time starter, has played the position for a couple of weeks center was a little slow with the snap?

Or is that too implausible and it's easier to blame everything on a quarterback who had no protection from ANY of his linemen all day?

Infraction. You're being too logical.

[TheNextStep]

The D didn't have much confidence in Campbell either after he pussed out on that slide.

You know it's bad when Tommy Kelly is getting in your face telling you that you f'ed up.
A quarterback who makes a bad slide versus a group of 5 linemen who forgot that their job was to block?

I'm not saying that Campbell made no mistakes... but, given the environment he was given to work in, I'm not going to crucify him either.

[Postmaster]

A quarterback who makes a bad slide versus a group of 5 linemen who forgot that their job was to block?

I'm not saying that Campbell made no mistakes... but, given the environment he was given to work in, I'm not going to crucify him either.

That guy is your supposed leader. When your troops see you puss out, the battle is lost.

[Postmaster]

You're basing this on last season when the option was going from Russell to Gradkowski. Why would they not feel more confident with ANYBODY but Russell? I don't think it's fair to say that this season. Not after one game.

By the time it is fair to say it, it will be too late.

[TheNextStep]

That guy is your supposed leader. When your troops see you puss out, the battle is lost.

Yeah, THAT was the turning point... :rolleyes:

[Postmaster]

Yeah, THAT was the turning point... :rolleyes:

Did that play have an effect on the final score? No.

Did it have an effect on the locker room. I would say yes.

So tell me does the locker room matter at all in the grand scheme of things?

[TommyGirl]

And HELLO!!! What were some of you guys expecting? You bitch about the O-Line on one hand, then act genuinely surprised when Campbell acts skittish.

Incidentally, how closely have some people followed the Redskins? It's been a running joke with Redskins fans for years about how atrocious Campbell is at sliding. He used to not do it at all because he was so bad at it. Like Jeff Garcia bad.

And no. I'm not excusing him. I'm just saying that the calls for Gradkowski seem a little silly to me at this point.

[TheNextStep]

Did that play have an effect on the final score? No.

Did it have an effect on the locker room. I would say yes.

So tell me does the locker room matter at all in the grand scheme of things?

Ha! I'll believe that when X says it's so! :)

[TommyGirl]

By the time it is fair to say it, it will be too late.

Whuh? We're one game into the season. Wow.

[Postmaster]

And HELLO!!! What were some of you guys expecting? You bitch about the O-Line on one hand, then act genuinely surprised when Campbell acts skittish.

Incidentally, how closely have some people followed the Redskins? It's been a running joke with Redskins fans for years about how atrocious Campbell is at sliding. He used to not do it at all because he was so bad at it. Like Jeff Garcia bad.

And no. I'm not excusing him. I'm just saying that the calls for Gradkowski seem a little silly to me at this point.

The calls for Grad seem silly to you because you don't mind if your QB folds up like a lawn chair if everything around him isn't perfect.

News flash: QB's in the NFL are going to get pressured, they are going to get hit. If this reality causes you to jump on the ground in an awkward girlish way 2 yards short of the 1st down marker, I would rather the alternative.

But that's just me.

[TheNextStep]

You're right. You can't be a great quarterback if you can't play without a good offensive line in front of you.

Just don't tell that to Troy Aikman.... or Peyton Manning... or...

[TommyGirl]

The calls for Grad seem silly to you because you don't mind if your QB folds up like a lawn chair if everything around him isn't perfect.

I don't mind? Oh. Thanks for clearing up my opinion for me.

You're just ticked because I'm not jumping on the Gradkowski bandwagon after one game into the season, and like most internet folks, anybody who has an opinion differing from you must be an idiot.

Ah, well. This won't be the last time you're irritated at me.

[Postmaster]

I don't mind? Oh. Thanks for clearing up my opinion for me.

You're just ticked because I'm not jumping on the Gradkowski bandwagon after one game into the season, and like most internet folks, anybody who has an opinion differing from you must be an idiot.

Ah, well. This won't be the last time you're irritated at me.

Ah....didn't you jump into this dogging me for my pro-Grad stance?

Am I missing something here?

[TommyGirl]

Ah....didn't you jump into this dogging me for my pro-Grad stance?

Am I missing something here?

Sensitive much? My disagreeing with you hardly rates as "dogging" you. We disagree. So what?

My only point is that the calls for Gradkowski seem really premature. I didn't defend Campbell's slides. I didn't say he shouldn't play with confidence. I did say that I wouldn't look for his sliding to improve over the year since it's been atrocious since he started playing football. That's just a fact.

Sheesh.

[Postmaster]

Sensitive much? My disagreeing with you hardly rates as "dogging" you. We disagree. So what?

My only point is that the calls for Gradkowski seem really premature. I didn't defend Campbell's slides. I didn't say he shouldn't play with confidence. I did say that I wouldn't look for his sliding to improve over the year since it's been atrocious since he started playing football. That's just a fact.

Sheesh.

By the way I wasn't getting irritated. Sorry if I irritated you.

Grad has earned my respect for what he has done on the field, Campbell hasn't.

So naturally I want to go with the guy who has shown me something.

[TommyGirl]

By the way I wasn't getting irritated. Sorry if I irritated you.

Grad has earned my respect for what he has done on the field, Campbell hasn't.

So naturally I want to go with the guy who has shown me something.

You didn't irritate me. I have to kind of laugh at these conversations. Ultimately, we all want the same thing, and this is how it's been during the opening week for as long as I can remember.

No harm, no foul.

[NIPS]

it made too much sense to sign campbell given grads injuries in the offseason.

It would of been stupid to go into the season with him as the no.1 qb without a backup plan.

That being said, he gives this team the best chance to win or at least be competitive this year. No playoffs, no winning record, just the best chance to put up a fight.

His likelihood for injury is pretty high up there, but so what. He isn't scared to get hurt and i guarantee he wouldn't slide 2 yards short of a 1st down like we saw yesterday.

Did it look like the team had confidence in campbell yesterday? Did it look like campbell had confidence in his teammates?

Grad gets and gives confidence to this team for whatever that is worth. Not a lot to some on here obviously.

+1000

[hawaiianboy]

Imagine if we went into this season with Grads our lead QB, Schillens our lead receiver, Bush our lead back and Gallery our lead O-line man... We'd have to change our helmets to feature the Red Cross emblem in place of the Eye Patch...

[DarkDays]

Without a competent offensive line.

Or good coaching

[Raidermania12]

:nono: Don't go bringing facts like Gradkowski not being able to stay healthy into this.
If we were going off facts we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's all opinion at this juncture. Who's better? really? That's not even up for debate if rushers are running past our Tackles unblocked on missed assignments because we have the RG made line calls. I'm worried that we don't even have the luxury of audibles with Veldheer unable to get the o-line in corresponding position and adjust to the change in snap count. .

[DarkDays]

If we were going off facts we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's all opinion at this juncture. Who's better? really? That's not even up for debate if rushers are running past our Tackles unblocked on missed assignments because we have the RG made line calls. I'm worried that we don't even have the luxury of audibles with Veldheer unable to get the o-line in corresponding position and adjust to the change in snap count. .

I have a feeling Veldheer at center will be short lived. Most of the pressure was coming off the edges anyhow.

[Raidermania12]

I have a feeling Veldheer at center will be short lived. Most of the pressure was coming off the edges anyhow.
Yes i know that, and from what I saw it was a lack of adjustment. Dudes weren't just getting beat on the edges, they weren't even acknowledging the edge blitzes. Some of that falls on lack of communication from the guy in charge of the adjustments(which should be Veldheer, but he's so behind we pass it off to the RG).

[Postmaster]

http://www.sacbee.com/2010/09/14/3027106/raiders-troubles-included-nerves.html#ixzz0zW7B6XyP

Titans defensive tackle Jason Jones told Tennessee reporters Campbell was telegraphing on passing plays by leaning back before the snap.

And Titans defensive coordinator Chuck Cecil said Campbell was holding the ball too long in the pocket.



And here I was blaming it on the rookie center........

:o

[CrossBones]

Unless Campbell plays well this Sunday and we win we will have a full blown quarterback controversy on our hands. The kind of thing that Curly (that fucking idiot) handles so well. Should be some major comic relief there.

[Postmaster]

Does anyone on the coaching staff see that Jason Campbell telegraphs his passes AND his snap count?

On more than one occasion, seasoned reporters have also noticed, out loud, that the fifth-year signal caller stares down his receivers from the time he drops back to pass. He did it throughout the preseason and he was true to form on Sunday. On his interception throw, not only did he throw it behind Zach Miller, but he never took his eyes off of the trusty tight end…which may be why the safety was in the right spot for the errant throw.

Getting a quarterback to stop telegraphing his passes is more difficult than teaching him not to tip off the snap count. If you saw the game on Sunday, or any of the preseason games Campbell was in, you noticed that defenders perfectly timed the count to get pressure in the pocket. What you may not have noticed is that Campbell rocks back slightly just before the snap. The movement is probably so natural to Campbell that he doesn’t even realize he’s doing it. The slight move also pulls his shoulders up a bit and that’s when defenders rush. This is no excuse for the offensive line, but this also doesn’t help them protect their quarterback.

[RaiderJF]

Not sure how Campbell was holding the ball too long... he didn't have time to do that!

[Postmaster]

"Jason Campbell is Jamarcus Russell with a work ethic."

[RaiderJF]

Does anyone on the coaching staff see that Jason Campbell telegraphs his passes AND his snap count?

Apparently not...

Curly, Hue - do you have an answer for that?????

[Postmaster]

Apparently not...

Curly, Hue - do you have an answer for that?????

I do. Gradkowski.

[CrossBones]

Apparently not...

Curly, Hue - do you have an answer for that?????Cable: Yes I do. I'd just like to say this about that ... There is no quarterback controversy. Nuk, Nuk. Nuk.

:rolleyes:

[RaiderJF]

"Jason Campbell is Jamarcus Russell with a work ethic."

A little over the top, don't ya think???

Given how the OL was manhandled and our weak wr play, how much better than 22 for 37 (59%), 180 yards, 1TD, 1 Int (& 34 rushing yds) would you really expect?? Don't confuse me as a "Campbell guy" because I'm not, but it's a team game and he doesn't have much help. In fact, I'd challenge anyone to find another player on O other than Z Miller and Gallery that would even be starters on most other teams around the league... and with Gallery's continuing health issues, that makes for about one and a half legitimate starting caliber players on O.

[CrossBones]

That has been the knock on Campbell from Skins fans. He seems to pad his stats in garbage time. Happened again last Sunday. Not me saying that it's fans who have watched the man for five years and almost everything they have been telling us is coming true in front of our eyes.


Stares down receivers
Checks down way too early
Makes poor decisions with the ball
Does stupid shit... :p
I think Campbell deserves the benefit of the doubt for another game or two in view of that lousy situation in front of him but man I see signs of trouble there. We're headed straight into a QB controversy. When it's apparent we have a real QB controversy I fully expect the 20,000 in attendance to start with the Cable must go. Cable must go chants.

[Postmaster]

A little over the top, don't ya think???

Given how the OL was manhandled and our weak wr play, how much better than 22 for 37 (59%), 180 yards, 1TD, 1 Int (& 34 rushing yds) would you really expect?? Don't confuse me as a "Campbell guy" because I'm not, but it's a team game and he doesn't have much help. In fact, I'd challenge anyone to find another player on O other than Z Miller and Gallery that would even be starters on most other teams around the league... and with Gallery's continuing health issues, that makes for about one and a half legitimate starting caliber players on O.

That is my point. Campbell can't succeed with sub-par talent around him. I don't care about his completion % when he is throwing for 4 yards on 3rd and 10.

If the book hadn't already been written on Campbell I wouldn't be as concerned. But it has. Go check any Redskin forum and you will see that all his traits they complained about reared their ugly head in his first game as a Raider.

To a T.

He is what he is and his chance for success here is minimal IMO.

We are basically wasting time with him behind center.

[Diceq]

Campbell was on the open market for a song...that's not by accident. I agree with NIPS in that Grads plays quicker and wether you think he got lucky inthePitt and Cinn games or not...at least he did it.

Not saying either is great but Grads plays the position quicker...and he'll need that trait with this O-line and scheme.

We are going to see a lot of Ram Pressure so JC best get ready...

[Raider Bill]

Does stupid shit... :p.

LOL

Is that an "X" or an "O"?

[Raider Bill]

We are going to see a lot of Ram Pressure so JC best get ready...

That sounds kinda gay :pound:

[RaiderJF]

That is my point. Campbell can't succeed with sub-par talent around him. I don't care about his completion % when he is throwing for 4 yards on 3rd and 10.

If the book hadn't already been written on Campbell I wouldn't be as concerned. But it has. Go check any Redskin forum and you will see that all his traits they complained about reared their ugly head in his first game as a Raider.

To a T.

He is what he is and his chance for success here is minimal IMO.

We are basically wasting time with him behind center.

And that's part of the reason why I am not a "Campbell guy"... but I'll say it again, its a team game and with the play of the guys around him on Sunday, Campbell (or anyone else you would have wanted to put back there including Grads) didn't have much chance to succeed. I expect that things will be quite different this week when we don't have a hostile crowd to contend with (unless of course we fall behind by 24 pts) and we face a below average Rams D. You can play musical chairs at the QB position all you want, but until the blocking and catching issues are fixed, this O will struggle big time. As to whether it should be Campbell or Grads at this point in time, certainly the one major advantage that Grads has is his better mobility which can allow him to buy time that the OL typcially doesn't afford the QB and give the wrs more time to run Al's long routes - so he may be a better choice. Of course, his scrambling combined with his lack of size will make it so that he probably wouldn't stay healthy for more than 4-5 games which would put Campbell at the steering wheel again...

[Postmaster]

And that's part of the reason why I am not a "Campbell guy"... but I'll say it again, its a team game and with the play of the guys around him on Sunday, Campbell (or anyone else you would have wanted to put back there including Grads) didn't have much chance to succeed. I expect that things will be quite different this week when we don't have a hostile crowd to contend with (unless of course we fall behind by 24 pts) and we face a below average Rams D. You can play musical chairs at the QB position all you want, but until the blocking and catching issues are fixed, this O will struggle big time. As to whether it should be Campbell or Grads at this point in time, certainly the one major advantage that Grads has is his better mobility which can allow him to buy time that the OL typcially doesn't afford the QB and give the wrs more time to run Al's long routes - so he may be a better choice. Of course, his scrambling combined with his lack of size will make it so that he probably wouldn't stay healthy for more than 4-5 games which would put Campbell at the steering wheel again...

I have no problem starting Campbell if Grad gets injured as he would be the only choice.

My problem is going with the QB that doesn't give us the best chance to win given the talent around them.

Grad can do more with less on this team because of his skill set. Campbell seems to be a QB that needs everything to be perfect around him, which obviously it isn't here and won't be all year.

We didn't have a chance with Campbell on Sunday.

Would Grad have won? Seriously doubt it, but he would of done things differently and I feel we would of been much more competitive. (girlie slide as an example, walking away from center for a delay of game, tipping off the DL when we were passing, throwing for 4 yards on 3rd and 10, etc.)

Campbell didn't make one throw with his "rocket" arm on Sunday that Grad couldn't of made with his "noodle" arm.

[BigPoppaPump]

Grad wouldn't have slid and thus would have been on ice by the third quarter. :D


And Campbell made a lot of throws that Bruce cannot make on Sunday, the problem is his guys dropped them all. Maybe they need Bruce throwing to them so they can catch the lob jobs.


Also, both Cincy and Pitt were lucky wins. It is like people forget how lucky we were in the Cincy game and how Pitts DBs allowed us to have a shot in that game as well.

[Postmaster]

Grad wouldn't have slid and thus would have been on ice by the third quarter. :D


And Campbell made a lot of throws that Bruce cannot make on Sunday, the problem is his guys dropped them all. Maybe they need Bruce throwing to them so they can catch the lob jobs.


Also, both Cincy and Pitt were lucky wins. It is like people forget how lucky we were in the Cincy game and how Pitts DBs allowed us to have a shot in that game as well.

Time will tell.

Grad will get his shot this year, hope you come back to revisit this topic.

[Postmaster]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/video?PID=W_2P8jmNim37fN_fVW4dwfKKQLqbmVQy

Campbell Interview

[NIPS]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/video?PID=W_2P8jmNim37fN_fVW4dwfKKQLqbmVQy

Campbell Interview

LMAO!!!

When asked about his slide well short of the 1st down

Campbell: "I thought the ball is placed when you are touched and not where your slide starts"

LMAO

What MF'er? You dont know this?

And if he doesnt know this

Shouldnt someone be telling this MF'er this?

See, this is the kinda shit thats unacceptable

It's like Leon Lett fuckin stupid

There should be a simple test, No 2 pencil to fill in the bubbles on football 101

And ya get a 10 point spot just for bubbling in your name correctly without fuckin that up

If you fail the test- then ya gotta walk around the lockeroom with a dunce cone on your head

Cause you aint just stupid

You're certified fuckin stupid

[DarkDays]

Jabustus redux LMAO!!!

When asked about his slide well short of the 1st down

Campbell: "I thought the ball is placed when you are touched and not where your slide starts"

LMAO

What MF'er? You dont know this?

And if he doesnt know this

Shouldnt someone be telling this MF'er this?

See, this is the kinda shit thats unacceptable

It's like Leon Lett fuckin stupid

There should be a simple test, No 2 pencil to fill in the bubbles on football 101

And ya get a 10 point spot just for bubbling in your name correctly without fuckin that up

If you fail the test- then ya gotta walk around the lockeroom with a dunce cone on your head

Cause you aint just stupid

You're certified fuckin stupid

[Raidermania12]

Unless the line blocks well this Sunday and we win we will have a full blown knees on both QB's. .
Fixed,,:o

[Raidermania12]

http://www.sacbee.com/2010/09/14/3027106/raiders-troubles-included-nerves.html#ixzz0zW7B6XyP





And here I was blaming it on the rookie center........

:o
Yea, because his slow snaps had nothing to do with the early lean back by his qb(on two occasions i saw him lean back expecting the snap was still on it's way from Velly)? And holding the ball too long? Hmmm that sounds hilarious when he had less than as second on most of the 1st half passing plays. Maybe he was holding too long when they fell back into mostly zones after the big lead. Shoulda dumped it off to mcfadden faster!!!!!!;)

[Postmaster]

Yea, because his slow snaps had nothing to do with the early lean back by his qb(on two occasions i saw him lean back expecting the snap was still on it's way from Velly)? And holding the ball too long? Hmmm that sounds hilarious when he had less than as second on most of the 1st half passing plays. Maybe he was holding too long when they fell back into mostly zones after the big lead. Shoulda dumped it off to mcfadden faster!!!!!!;)

Did Campbell have a rookie center every year he was in Washington too?

[Raidermania12]

Did Campbell have a rookie center every year he was in Washington too?

Did defenses say that about his snap in washington? Man those retards in New Orleans are dumb as shit since this is apparently common knowledge that JC must be doing this always and they never caught it. The titans cracked the code!. :rolleyes: I saw the game, I'm telling you it was a slow snap, the announcers caught it too.

[DarkDays]

Grad no doubt about it you can no longer argue the point.

[007]

I wouldnt mind giving Campbell another shot.


/sarcasm

[Sleet]

Hopefully, Campbell's a good soldier. He could not have asked for anything more. He was handed the job. Grad said nothing. Grad just went out and won the job. Period.

[Sabers]

I expect Jason Campbell will continue to start, and in the near-term, continue to be ineffective. I also will expect to see Bruce Gradkowski continue to come in and relieve him, just as he did today. Al isn't about to give up Campbell just yet, nor am I. But Grads is the better QB for the makeup of this team right now.

G.