Grad > Campbell..... and it's not even close

[SoCalRaider]

Yep.... I said it first....... Grad gives us the best chance to win..... by a mile..... maybe even 10 miles...........

Forget the stats.... because comparing stats isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison.........

(1) Mobility / athleticism / ability to buy time / ability to make plays on the run: this isn't even close. With an offensive line that is a work in progress.... we absolutely need somebody that can hustle.... Grad is light years ahead of Campbell. The difference between the 2 is almost embarrassing. With our inability to run, we can really benefit from things like QB rollouts, bootlegs, and a QB who can improvise with a guy like Grad. JIHAD.... JIHAD.... JIHAD.... :bow::bow:

(2) Leadership / energy / vocality (I patented that one).... another one that's not even close.... While it may not be quite as vital as the mobility piece.... this is a team badly in need of a vocal, fiery, get-in-your-mug kinda leader.... Grad is the guy... I don't see how you couldn't be on the edge of your seat with Grad in there prancing around, yelling at everybody, and getting everybody fired up.... Man we need that shit..... we need that shit bad......

(3) Ability to make ALL the throws.... this one is close.... neither Q blows us away with pinpoint accuracy.... but that one chuck that Grad made throwing just behind the WR in tight coverage.... that was sick.... Granted the WR booted it... but that's one kind of throw that Grad can make that Campbell can't.... edge to Grad....


Bottom line ---> I don't believe it will make that much of a difference because I don't see either Q making through 3 consecutive games without being carried off on a gourney..... but shit.... Grad is the guy.... he gives us the best chance to win based on where we are as a young, developing team.... He should be the starter week 1.....

JIHAD.... JIHAD.... JIHAD.... :bow: :bow:

[boknowsvt]

The team seems to play better for Grads. He seems to have more space to operate and was able to step into throws better than Campbell. Maybe it was because he was playing against the second stringers, but there was just more energy. Too bad there is virtually no chance of Grads starting over Campbell.

[Postmaster]

Anyone that can't see that this is a different team with Grad under center doesn't want to see it because they have invested so much time bashing him for his apparent "limitations".

The only bad outing Grad has had was last Thanksgiving against the uber talented Cowboys.

Every other game he has started or played in we won or had a chance to win in the last minute. That includes last night and that includes the KC game where the WR formally known as DHBust let one bounce off his chest. You would be hard pressed to list the number of bad/boneheaded plays he has made in any of his appearances.

The fucker is Jeff Garcia reincarnated.

He has that "IT" factor and guys just want to make a play for him.

I had to bite my tongue when I heard journalist and posters alike claiming his job here was in jeopardy because of the great Kyle "Bowler". What a joke.

Campbell has looked great in the last 2 games opening drives but you don't feel the electricity when he is in there.

As SoCal alluded to, it will be tough to keep either guy healthy for long stretches because of our protection issues so it is good knowing we have 2 capable QB's. Based on last year we may need 3 however.

[boknowsvt]

I smell a RaiderMania12 rebuttal....

[Postmaster]

I smell a RaiderMania12 rebuttal....

Fuck Raidermania....

[boknowsvt]

Fuck Raidermania....

I posted that for you :)

[poptart]

Gradkowski is too valuable as a back-up guy to waste as a starter.


Let that rattle around in yer head for a while.




;)

[007]

Actually Socal, you were about the 12th guy to say it...

Definitely behind the curve on this one, but I'm good with either guy starting.

[Sleet]

Campbell's executed Hue's opening game plan the last two weeks for long TD drives. The 2nd (Meyers drop), 3rd (Murph penalty; DMac's one good play called back), 4th (Walker at LT; Willis goes untouched; sack), and 5th (Campbell gets blindsided) drives were not on him, at all.

Campbell's done nothing to lose the job; he's got the bigger arm, 1st round pedigree and harder to game plan against. There's no QB controversy. Al's in the building. Hue knows.

Grad's far better coming off the bench, when DC can't prepare for him, and he can play Captain Comeback.

And I'm a Grad fan.

[Postmaster]

Campbell's executed Hue's opening game plan the last two weeks for long TD drives. The 2nd (Meyers drop), 3rd (Murph penalty; DMac's one good play called back), 4th (Walker at LT; Willis goes untouched; sack), and 5th (Campbell gets blindsided) drives were not on him, at all.

Campbell's done nothing to lose the job; he's got the bigger arm, 1st round pedigree and harder to game plan against. There's no QB controversy. Al's in the building. Hue knows.

Grad's far better coming off the bench, when DC can't prepare for him, and he can play Captain Comeback.

And I'm a Grad fan.

It is hard to knock what Campbell has done.

But with Grad it's an energy thing. He brings an energy to the team that no other QB on the roster can bring. Hard to explain other than to say he has "IT".

I have a feeling we will see a lot of all 3 QB's this year as our pass pro is just soooo bad.



I will say this, if Campbell comes out sucking eggs I hope he has a short leash. I would hate to tank the season because Al proclaimed Campbell to be the 2010 version of Plunk.

[Sleet]

I've seen nothing in Campbell to lead me to believe he's going to be "sucking." But I've seen enough to realize that our QB is our offense. We can't run block or pass block well. We still make stupid penalties. We still have more drops than completions for long stretches. That's a difficult situation for a starting QB.

As to energy, Campbell needs a few signature wins. Grad certainly feels it, and I'm very happy about that.

[RaiderNorth]

Both QBs played very well last night.
I think the major lesson we learned is we're going to need as many competent QBs as possible, cause it's going to be dangerous in the pocket. I think this means Boller must stick as No. 3, there's no time for developing a QB with this line.

[Sleet]

By the way, I think Grad's only incompletions last night into the 4th quarter were dropped passes. He was on.

If Grad's always going to be that on, then SoCal's point is well taken, he should be starting. Heck, he was Gannon-like. But I'm not sure that just wasn't a very good day, and good for him. But I don't think that makes a QB controversy.

[Postmaster]

By the way, I think Grad's only incompletions last night into the 4th quarter were dropped passes. He was on.

If Grad's always going to be that on, than SoCal's point is well taken, he should be starting. Heck, he was Gannon-like. But I'm not sure that just wasn't a very good day for whatever reason.

We are in a good situation with these 2 regardless.

But when the games count for real who do you want leading you down the field with 2 minutes left down by 4?

I have heard Skins fans say Campbell is the last guy you want in that situation. I will reserve judgment on that but we know what Grad can do when the game is on the line. He actually thrives in those situations.

[Postmaster]

By the way, I think Grad's only incompletions last night into the 4th quarter were dropped passes. He was on.

If Grad's always going to be that on, than SoCal's point is well taken, he should be starting. Heck, he was Gannon-like. But I'm not sure that just wasn't a very good day, and good for him. But I don't think that makes a QB controversy.

At one point he was 13 for 16 with 3 drops. That is nutz.

[NIPS]

Grads and Murphy have something "special" Those two dudes just make plays when their nuts are in a vice

I like Grads accuracy- love his ability to sense heat- he steps up and gets outta trouble real fast

He doesnt stand there and take sacks without a fight- something about the kid I just love

I just got this feeling were gonna fuck this up again-

Gradkowski signed his tender for one year and just got a feeling he's gonna want to start somewhere.

I believe the kid really loves playing for Oakland and would stay if given a starting job- just see something coming down the pike where Campbell will do just enough to get by- Grads leaves and in 2 years were looking for another QB and Grads is kicking ass in dare I say--- Kansas City? uugghhh

[fatdog]

The only way Grads is the starting QB for this team is if Cambell is injured and can't suit up. That was decided draft day fellas.

[Postmaster]

The only way Grads is the starting QB for this team is if Cambell is injured and can't suit up. That was decided draft day fellas.

This is true but after last night Campbell getting injured seems inevitable. And Grad would probably go down shortly after that.

We better keep Brennan around because "Bowler" is a statue and may be carried off the field in a body bag.

[DarthRaidor]

This is true but after last night Campbell getting injured seems inevitable. And Grad would probably go down shortly after that.

We better keep Brennan around because "Bowler" is a statue and may be carried off the field in a body bag.

With this Oline, we'll need a few body bags

[RaiderNorth]

This is true but after last night Campbell getting injured seems inevitable. And Grad would probably go down shortly after that.

We better keep Brennan around because "Bowler" is a statue and may be carried off the field in a body bag.

I'm afraid they'll both have their chance, probably Charlie Frye too before it's all said and done.

[Postmaster]

I'm afraid they'll both have their chance, probably Charlie Frye too before it's all said and done.

Frye is on IR for the year.

He hurt his wrist just thinking about getting behind this oline.

[Xplosive]

Frye is on IR for the year.

He hurt his wrist just thinking about getting behind this oline.

hahah. that was classic.

god post something has to be done about this line i had forgotten about frye.

head down, maybe we need to start going spread formation get the ball out of there quicker. I hate seeing our quarterbacks and runningbacks continue to suffer.

you know cable should be having us a pro-bowl line. I dont understand why he continues with the I can win with this group. when someone is getting beat every series.

maybe it was fatigue.

X

[Sleet]

He hurt his wrist just thinking about getting behind this oline.

:pound:

[Sleet]

I dont understand why he continues with the I can win with this group. when someone is getting beat every series.
X

If this is why we haven't drafted an OL in the first two rounds since Cable has been here, then Cable's an idiot. But, come on, X, shifting the blame here is, just, shifting the blame. Everyone knows we've been undermaned for sometime.

[DonkeyKilla]

I like both QBs, we are a much better team with both. I have a feeling we'll be needing both of them and probably Boller too. We should have made a move for Jamal Brown or Gaither. The good news is that it looks like Veldheer can be plugged in at C.
Question: how was that hit on Campbell not a 15 yard blow to the head penalty?
and did anyone see the tackle by facemask against McFadden? What the fuck are the refs watching?

[Postmaster]

I like both QBs, we are a much better team with both. I have a feeling we'll be needing both of them and probably Boller too. We should have made a move for Jamal Brown or Gaither. The good news is that it looks like Veldheer can be plugged in at C.
Question: how was that hit on Campbell not a 15 yard blow to the head penalty?
and did anyone see the tackle by facemask against McFadden? What the fuck are the refs watching?

I thought that tackle on DMAC was from the shoulder pad. It looked like a facemask because of the way he got yanked.

[DonkeyKilla]

ah. The hit on Campbell tho?

[hawaiianboy]

If we don't trade for Campbell, there's no way JaMarcus is let go... Now in a fair fight, Grads takes JaMarcus obviously... but that would have left us a Grad injury away from Fatty again... The fact that Grads looked like that guy from the Operation game with so many different dings over these past months would have given me pause about going into things as him as "the man"... The situation we have with a 1 and a 1a so to speak is much better...

I'm very happy with what I've seen from Campbell, very happy with what I saw from Grads yesterday and happy with what I saw from Boller in the first two games... Our QB situation is the last thing that I am concerned with right now... I can't even remember the last time we had such a solid depth chart at the position...

[Postmaster]

If we don't trade for Campbell, there's no way JaMarcus is let go... Now in a fair fight, Grads takes JaMarcus obviously... but that would have left us a Grad injury away from Fatty again... The fact that Grads looked like that guy from the Operation game with so many different dings over these past months would have given me pause about going into things as him as "the man"... The situation we have with a 1 and a 1a so to speak is much better...

I'm very happy with what I've seen from Campbell, very happy with what I saw from Grads yesterday and happy with what I saw from Boller in the first two games... Our QB situation is the last thing that I am concerned with right now... I can't even remember the last time we had such a solid depth chart at the position...

Brooks, Walter, Tui?

[hawaiianboy]

Brooks, Walter, Tui?


:pound:

It's too damn early in the morning here for to bring up Giggles...

[Postmaster]

Was Tui even the 3rd stringer that year?

I tried to block out that 2006 season as much as possible.

[SoCalRaider]

Gradkowski is too valuable as a back-up guy to waste as a starter.


Let that rattle around in yer head for a while.




;)

A couple things....

By making Campbell the starter.... if Campbell goes down and Grad comes in and blows up like he did last season and last night.... do the Raiders send him to the bench once Campbell his healthy by virtue of the mantra "nobody loses their starting gig b/c of an injury"? This is why I'd rather have Grad starting. Once he gets his chance (and he will).... I'd hate to see him forced back to the bench because the #1 is healthy again.... Not to mention the impact it might have on the locker room if guys are responding to him....

Looking down the road... how many more offseasons can we expect to have Grad sign a 1 year tender as backup? Correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't he sign the tender before Campbell came on board... presumably under the pretense that Grad was convinced he'd be the starter if he could beat out Russell? Does Grad sign that tender next summer knowing that Campbell is the defacto starter? With so many teams struggling with a starting QB.... it's really hard to expect to keep both these guys in the long run....

If I were forced to lose one... I'd rather lose Campbell... He doesn't have that innate leadership ability that a team like this really tends to feed off of.... Grad most definitely has it.... and if this preseason is any indication.... Campbell is damn inconsistent... almost to a fault..... Grad can blow up for an entire game as we saw last night and several times last season... I haven't really seen Campbell pull it together for more than 1 drive....

[RaiderNorth]

the mantra "nobody loses their starting gig b/c of an injury"?
....

paging Drew Bledsoe

[Sleet]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't he sign the tender before Campbell came on board... presumably under the pretense that Grad was convinced he'd be the starter if he could beat out Russell? Does Grad sign that tender next summer knowing that Campbell is the defacto starter? With so many teams struggling with a starting QB.... it's really hard to expect to keep both these guys in the long run....

If I were forced to lose one... I'd rather lose Campbell... He doesn't have that innate leadership ability that a team like this really tends to feed off of.... Grad most definitely has it.... and if this preseason is any indication.... Campbell is damn inconsistent... almost to a fault..... Grad can blow up for an entire game as we saw last night and several times last season... I haven't really seen Campbell pull it together for more than 1 drive....

Well, a year ago, you wouldn't be saying that about Grad. If Grad's hail mary in Pittsburg was a pic, rather than lucky completion, you likely wouldn't be saying it either.

Campbell deserves the same opportunity. If Hue picks Campbell, I'm not going to fault him (hopefully, Al will defer to Hue).

I don't want to lose Grad, either. He might be are most marketable commodity right now.

[Rupert]

Well, a year ago, you wouldn't be saying that about Grad. If Grad's hail mary in Pittsburg was a pic, rather than lucky completion, you likely wouldn't be saying it either.

Campbell deserves the same opportunity. If Hue picks Campbell, I'm not going to fault him (hopefully, Al will defer to Hue).

I don't want to lose Grad, either. He might be are most marketable commodity right now.

Grad's is getting what a #2 should be paid, so... why are we worrying about it?

[Raider Outlaw]

I'll just echo what you said. Why the Redskins could trade for Jamal Brown but we couldn't is beyond me.

I said in the off-season, if you're depending on Satele, Cooper, and Walker as legitimate starters for your team, you're in trouble there.

Also, you all know I'm not a big Henderson fan either, but he's the least of the problems on that line, which says plenty.



I like both QBs, we are a much better team with both. I have a feeling we'll be needing both of them and probably Boller too. We should have made a move for Jamal Brown or Gaither. The good news is that it looks like Veldheer can be plugged in at C.
Question: how was that hit on Campbell not a 15 yard blow to the head penalty?
and did anyone see the tackle by facemask against McFadden? What the fuck are the refs watching?

[DarkDays]

Gradkowski is too valuable as a back-up guy to waste as a starter.


Let that rattle around in yer head for a while.



;)

:pound::nono::pound: wow

[BigTron]

blah blah blah start the season... Grads Vs JC...epic battle haha

[Raider Outlaw]

Well, it at least took less time than I even thought when people were roasting me for saying hold off on applying so much pressure on the guy with the "Campbell is our saviour" talk.

My guess is that we'll need both. Frye and Gradkowski both got broken in half behind that line, last year and it's, shock, the same offensive line except Langston walker....so essentially it's just the same bad offensive line. Shit, Gradkowski might already be the starter on the 12th because Campbell got dinged Saturday.

You know that only the bad QBs for us never get hurt....it's that dark cloud overhead. We're probably going to need all 3, maybe even 4.

I think all of these guys are capable, but none of them are elite, so they should just follow the game plan, regardless of starter, to get to my stated goal of 20 ppg, and we'll be okay more than not if the defense can perform to expectation.

The important thing is that they all are capable of running our plan, although none of them are elite for various reasons, which makes this whole argument moot. If Campbell isn't getting the job done, I don't think the staff will hesitate to bench him for Gradkowski or even for Bowler....they're all interchangable in my eyes overall because they each have their drawbacks.

blah blah blah start the season... Grads Vs JC...epic battle haha

[NIPS]

Grads with the 123.7 passing rating on saturday night

14/22- 202 yards and a 65% comp ratio- 2 taters and no int's

[RF34]

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/disney-chicken-little-sky-falling.jpg

[TheMadStork]

You know that only the bad QBs for us never get hurt....it's that dark cloud overhead. We're probably going to need all 3, maybe even 4.


That's 'cause other teams didn't want to sack the bad ones. They want them upright and throwing INT's.

[RaiderJF]

Also, you all know I'm not a big Henderson fan either, but he's the least of the problems on that line, which says plenty.

After Sat night, I am not so sure that Campbell would agree with you on this...

[Raider Outlaw]

Lol, good point.


After Sat night, I am not so sure that Campbell would agree with you on this...

[DarkDays]

If we don't trade for Campbell, there's no way JaMarcus is let go... Now in a fair fight, Grads takes JaMarcus obviously... but that would have left us a Grad injury away from Fatty again... The fact that Grads looked like that guy from the Operation game with so many different dings over these past months would have given me pause about going into things as him as "the man"... The situation we have with a 1 and a 1a so to speak is much better...

I'm very happy with what I've seen from Campbell, very happy with what I saw from Grads yesterday and happy with what I saw from Boller in the first two games... Our QB situation is the last thing that I am concerned with right now... I can't even remember the last time we had such a solid depth chart at the position...

Here here... they need a line in front of them though or we will be putting bush under center by week 14

[Diceq]

If we don't trade for Campbell, there's no way JaMarcus is let go... Now in a fair fight, Grads takes JaMarcus obviously... but that would have left us a Grad injury away from Fatty again... The fact that Grads looked like that guy from the Operation game with so many different dings over these past months would have given me pause about going into things as him as "the man"... The situation we have with a 1 and a 1a so to speak is much better...

I'm very happy with what I've seen from Campbell, very happy with what I saw from Grads yesterday and happy with what I saw from Boller in the first two games... Our QB situation is the last thing that I am concerned with right now... I can't even remember the last time we had such a solid depth chart at the position...

I agree completely. With Grads injury history, it was the wrong move to call it an open job, have Grads win it and get hurt in week3...then bring in a shaken JC.

Grads is familiar with this path.

Agree we should keep Boller as well. No cap this year so WTF does the salary mean?

[Madturk]

The team really seems to rally around Grads and he seems to energize the team. Couldn't have asked for a better situation with our QB depth. After fielding garbage all these years, we know have legit guys that can win.

Interesting to see how this scenario plays out.

[DarkDays]

Grads with the 123.7 passing rating on saturday night

14/22- 202 yards and a 65% comp ratio- 2 taters and no int's
All that after coming in cold as it pertains to live action earlier than was planed. Grad has that Gannon perfection and drive while being much less abrasive, that first drive was a testament to his work ethic and ability to break down film. The 72 yard strike was a prefect play call by Hugh who will be HC next year, executed to textbook standards by a QB and WR who have excellent chemistry. Grad is an outstanding leader in that he is not quick to deflect blame and from all appearances is an extremely humble guy. Outstanding game from him and if it was not for three bad drops by our WR he would have gone 17 for his first 17.

[Postmaster]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/video?PID=88IK8HcKUuwt5q6U5JQViBaIAr00Bk1r

Bruce post game.

"It felt like just where I left off."

[DarkDays]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/video?PID=88IK8HcKUuwt5q6U5JQViBaIAr00Bk1r

Bruce post game.


"It felt like just where I left off."



I love the fact that we have two number ones

[Postmaster]

I love the fact that we have two number ones

And no #2.

Pun intended.

[RaiderInSD]

It's going to be too late before we realize Gradz should have started all along. Al comparing Campbell to Plunkett sealed the deal on any chance Gradz ever gets to start here.

[Postmaster]

It's going to be too late before we realize Gradz should have started all along. Al comparing Campbell to Plunkett sealed the deal on any chance Gradz ever gets to start here.

Grad will get his shot. Mario Henderson will make sure of that.

[RaiderInSD]

Grad will get his shot. Mario Henderson will make sure of that.

I never wish injury upon anyone, but if there were a time to. . . I just feel like Gradz is gonna leave after this and possibly go to KC like another poster said and just tear shit up.

[DonkeyKilla]

you guys need to check yourselves. He played ok for us last year and great in 2 quarters of PRESEASON football. hoping Campbell gets hurt? really? Grads is like Shilens people- good for 4 games a year, maybe. You act as if Campbell was stinking it up too- he wasn't. two weeks in a row first drive TDs. fucking unbelievable.

[007]

And no #2.

Pun intended.

Nicely done, sir.

[Postmaster]

I never wish injury upon anyone, but if there were a time to. . . I just feel like Gradz is gonna leave after this and possibly go to KC like another poster said and just tear shit up.

I am not wishing injury on anyone just reading the tealeaves. We had 4 QB's under center at some point last year and already almost got our starter crippled 3 games into the preseason.

If Campbell does go down Grad won't be too far behind him I am afraid.

Next up Kyle "Bowler".

Has Colt learned the playbook yet?

[DonkeyKilla]

the turd that must not be named. Japoodemort. That's right I'm Hairy Potty so i can say it.

[Langlier]

I'm very happy with our 1,2,3 at QB (including Boller).

That said I still think Campbell is our starting QB barring injury setbacks.

Physically and the ability to make all throws - Campbell outshines Grad at every point here.

What grad brings that Campbell doesnt is that "it" factor that seems to make the rest of the team play better. But Campbell seems to be working on that.

Yes Grad shredded the 9ers. But look at the 2 starting drives by campbell the last 2 weeks... if we can keep our O rolling like those first drives we're going to be a good offensive team.

[DarkDays]

Grad will get his shot. Mario Henderson will make sure of that.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRy9qn_0rP7xVWOCJwzDlkKIhMYRHKW7 h5uVSs8k6aGvpd8JGw

[hawaiianboy]

I agree completely. With Grads injury history, it was the wrong move to call it an open job, have Grads win it and get hurt in week3...then bring in a shaken JC.

Considering Grads went from two injured knees to a torn pec to a groin injury that took him into August, I don't know how he could possibly win an open competition for the job... Can't compete if you can't practice...


Between Grads, DMac, Gallery and Schilens, we'd probably have a kick ass offense in any hospital league we play in... :p

[Sleet]

I'm very happy with our 1,2,3 at QB (including Boller).

That said I still think Campbell is our starting QB barring injury setbacks.

Physically and the ability to make all throws - Campbell outshines Grad at every point here.

What grad brings that Campbell doesnt is that "it" factor that seems to make the rest of the team play better. But Campbell seems to be working on that.

Yes Grad shredded the 9ers. But look at the 2 starting drives by campbell the last 2 weeks... if we can keep our O rolling like those first drives we're going to be a good offensive team.

Lang, I'm with you. I would not be surprised at all if Campbell shows "it" this year. He just needs a couple of signature wins, like Grad got last year. Nobody thought Grad had "it" until then. In fact, if Grad played average v. the 49ers, people could argue that "it" was just luck last year, when, for example, Grad threw up a "duck" in Pitts that luckily landed in Murph's arms.

Grad impressed in Hue's offense. Give Campbell the same chance. Campbell has already shown he can lead Hue's offense to two opening drive scores. He just needs to pull off a few clutch performances.

[BigTron]

I like Grad as a back-up. I think he is a good leader and sparks the team. He can provide some excitement off the bench and get a team going. With that said he Jason Campbell should and will be the starter. He has the arm strength to stretch the defense and thats important to Al Davis and in the passing league the NFL is becoming. Talkng with Skins fans they say his major problem is....pocket awareness. And that he isnt a highly emotional guy. He is pretty even keeled. Sounds alot like JaMarcus haha Big Arm, Even Keeled, questionable feel in the pocket... The one thing that makes Jason Campbell and NFL QB is his work ethic. He has the size and arm to play but he also works very hard to get better. He has learned just about every offense outside of the wing-T. I would expect 2 years of Campbell and Hue Jackson's offense minimum. That should give him time to work hard and develop an offense with some young weapons. If we could give him some more quality offensive lineman he could develop into a really good starter in this league and we can finally focus on the trenches!

[DarkDays]

I like Grad as a back-up. I think he is a good leader and sparks the team. He can provide some excitement off the bench and get a team going. With that said he Jason Campbell should and will be the starter. He has the arm strength to stretch the defense and thats important to Al Davis and in the passing league the NFL is becoming. Talkng with Skins fans they say his major problem is....pocket awareness. And that he isnt a highly emotional guy. He is pretty even keeled. Sounds alot like JaMarcus haha Big Arm, Even Keeled, questionable feel in the pocket... The one thing that makes Jason Campbell and NFL QB is his work ethic. He has the size and arm to play but he also works very hard to get better. He has learned just about every offense outside of the wing-T. I would expect 2 years of Campbell and Hue Jackson's offense minimum. That should give him time to work hard and develop an offense with some young weapons. If we could give him some more quality offensive lineman he could develop into a really good starter in this league and we can finally focus on the trenches!
a 70 + yard TD is not stretching the defense? Have you seen the TDs he threw against pit, the bungles and Saturday. The fact of the matter is that grad just gets it done and His team respects and bust their ass for him. With the oline in the condition it is we need a guy who can move like grad, in order to have a pocket QB you need a pocket.

[Postmaster]

I don't want to bag on Campbell but Skins fans have moaned about his propensity to check down too often and they have said the accuracy on his long ball is pretty bad.

If you have a strong arm with these traits, they kind of cancel each other out.

[Sleet]

a 70 + yard TD is not stretching the defense? Have you seen the TDs he threw against pit, the bungles and Saturday. The fact of the matter is that grad just gets it done and His team respects and bust their ass for him. With the oline in the condition it is we need a guy who can move like grad, in order to have a pocket QB you need a pocket.

Campbell has shown pocket awareness--just not blindside awareness. :D

In fact, I have been pleasently surprised with Campbell's pocket awareness and how he's moved and thrown on the move.

Grad had a solid game (just think if Grad had completed one of those two last passes, and then got the ball into the end-zone). You think there's any surprise why Campbell is at work today. He doesn't want to even open the door.

Campbell will start, and my guess is, he'll play well. If not, he'll hear it from the Grad fans, for sure. But, the worse thing the team could do to itself is start a QB controversy. That does nobody anygood. My guess, Grad will play the good soldier, and wait his turn. He turned some heads. He knows he's 2nd chance is coming, whether its here or elsewhere.

[hawaiianboy]

Rewatching the game now... It's so nice to see our guys be consistent throwing down field with accuracy... Fuggin receivers need to stop with the drops from both guys though...

Certainly a difference in styles... JC is very smooth and graceful while The Bruce is bouncing all over the place like he has to take a bad shit... :D

As long as we win, I'm fine with either or both playing...

[DarkDays]

Campbell has shown pocket awareness--just not blindside awareness. :D

In fact, I have been pleasently surprised with Campbell's pocket awareness and how he's moved and thrown on the move.

Grad had a solid game (just think if Grad had completed one of those two last passes, and then got the ball into the end-zone). You think there's any surprise why Campbell is at work today. He doesn't want to even open the door.

Campbell will start, and my guess is, he'll play well. If not, he'll hear it from the Grad fans, for sure. But, the worse thing we can do is start a QB controversy. That does nobody anygood.

Its a great problem to have no doubt. I just think that Grad is the leader this young team needs right now.

[Sleet]

I don't want to bag on Campbell but Skins fans have moaned about his propensity to check down too often and they have said the accuracy on his long ball is pretty bad.

If you have a strong arm with these traits, they kind of cancel each other out.

If Campbell continues to complete 40 yard passes out of bounds, he's certainly going to hear it. He absolutely has to put that ball where it can be caught. That's one thing Grad certainly seems to do consistently.

[DonkeyKilla]

"That's one thing Grad certainly seems to do consistently."

I think you would need to be on the field consistently to have this said about you...

I got to thinking how good all of our QBs have played. All those guys that were brought in to fix JR... paid off for the other guys apparently. We should keep those guys around because even Frye was playing pretty well.

[Sleet]

"That's one thing Grad certainly seems to do consistently."

I think you would need to be on the field consistently to have this said about you...

I got to thinking how good all of our QBs have played. All those guys that were brought in to fix JR... paid off for the other guys apparently. We should keep those guys around because even Frye was playing pretty well.

Well, when you are 13-16 with 3 drops, that's pretty consistent. In Grad's last two incompletions, both balls were thrown where a WR could catch it, not where the DBs could. That's basically what I was getting at.

[raiderfreak7]

If Campbell continues to complete 40 yard passes out of bounds, he's certainly going to hear it. He absolutely has to put that ball where it can be caught. That's one thing Grad certainly seems to do consistently.

He threw a perfect wheel route to Reece about thirty yards downfield and hit Bey with a frozen rope twenty-five yards downfield. His accuracy looked great last game.

[DonkeyKilla]

He threw a perfect wheel route to Reece about thirty yards downfield and hit Bey with a frozen rope twenty-five yards downfield. His accuracy looked great last game.

this.


and again, saying Gradkowski has consistently done something, and we are talking about a couple quarters of football. He had a good game. He didn't light it up last year, he played ok. He just looked like a GOD compared to the turd that must not be named.

[S and B Executioner]

I really could care less WHO starts as long there is no one with the name RUSSELL on the list of possibles.

But the reality of this is we actually have 2 starting QB's on this team which is a FAR cry from where we were last year at this time.

I love Campbell, but IN BRUCE WE TRUST!!!!

[Sabers]

With the offensive line in its present state, the Raiders don't need two competent QBs.

They need about eight.

G.

[Langlier]

With the offensive line in its present state, the Raiders don't need two competent QBs.

They need about eight.

G.

Unless there are some extremely talented surprise cuts the OL isn't going to improve much

Starting Veldheer at C might be the best we can expect (though Bruce did look a lot better this last game)

[Sleet]

this.


and again, saying Gradkowski has consistently done something, and we are talking about a couple quarters of football. . . .

Damn, take yes for an answer. But you're missing the point. Grad came in cold; no prior experience in Hue's system; and was nails. Looked great.

I don't think that makes Grad our starter. I like Campbell and think he should get a full opportunity to fail and succeed. I'd give him the entire year if it took that long to figure out if he's got "it." I'm optimistic based on what I've seen.

But I'm not going to act like Grad didn't look great, or that he hasn't given us reason to believe he could not do that again, and again, if given the opportunity.

[Sleet]

I'm with RaiderRob: Start Veldheer (C) and Campbell (RG) and excellerate the learning curve. Of course, that's not going to happen b/c Cable's too afraid to lose, or thinks he can win with two weaker, but less mistake prone, veterans. We'll see.

[Postmaster]

I'm with RaiderRob: Start Veldheer (C) and Campbell (RG) and excellerate the learning curve. Of course, that's not going to happen b/c Cable's too afraid to lose, or thinks he can win with two weaker, but less mistake prone, veterans. We'll see.

I would be more than a little concerned about the QB's getting killed in this situation. Not like they won't get killed anyway but it would be nice if they could make it a few games first.

Dumb idea.

[system7]

good debate. I think it's a good problem to have, both of these guys can be capable starters imo. And tells you how far we have come after the jadummy debacle.

[Sleet]

I would be more than a little concerned about the QB's getting killed in this situation. Not like they won't get killed anyway but it would be nice if they could make it a few games first.

Dumb idea.

Good thing we have the "idea" police out tonight.

Dumb ass.

[Postmaster]

Good thing we have the "idea" police out tonight.

Dumb ass.

It is what it is.

Veldheer had major breakdowns with 2 grisled vets next to him, what would happen with a RAW natural LT playing RG for the first time in his life look like.

Think before you post.

[Sleet]

It is what it is.

Veldheer had major breakdowns with 2 grisled vets next to him, what would happen with a RAW natural LT playing RG for the first time in his life look like.

Think before you post.

Didn't I shame you enough last time?

I could care less what you think. The point is being made for effect (and . . .)

Lets be honest: When Crow took up the argument, you crawled up his ass and kissed it. It was hillarious.

What's funnier, Crow didn't give a shit, and kicked your brown-nose some more.

Think before you post, indeed.

Feel a little set up? :pound:

[Postmaster]

Didn't I shame you enough last time?

I could care less what you think. The point is being made for effect.

But lets be honest: When Crow took up the argument, you crawled up his ass and kissed it. It was hillarious.

What's funnier, Crow didn't give a shit, and kicked your brown-nose some more. That was even funnier.

Think before you post. :pound:

Not sure I follow you.

But let's be honest starting Veldheer and Bruce Campbell at the same time might be the dumbest idea to come from you in a while.

And that's saying something.

[Sleet]

Not sure I follow you.

But let's be honest starting Veldheer and Bruce Campbell at the same time might be the dumbest idea to come from you in a while.

And that's saying something.

Sorry, no changing the subject, brown-nose. Next time, if you want to be taken seriously, respond the same when other say the same thing.

Its just a matter of time before both Veldheer and Campbell are starting. Or, Cable's going to get run.

[Postmaster]

Sorry, no changing the subject, brown-nose.

Its just a matter of time before both Veldheer and Campbell are starting. Or, Cable's going to get run.

Maybe, maybe not but starting them both right now is pure idiocy.

You realize that now though after I had to point it out to you.

[Sleet]

Maybe, maybe not but starting them both right now is pure idiocy.

You realize that now though after I had to point it out to you.

No, you're just missing the point, on purpose.

[Postmaster]

No, you're just missing the point, on purpose.

Please elaborate.

[Sleet]

Please elaborate.

No need. You get it. You're a smart guy.

Or, "maybe" not. If not, re-read.

Bait and hooked.

[Xplosive]

To be honest. Bruce is raw, and has missed a few easy assignments. BC does look a hell of alot better than carlisle, and BC is just throwing his muscles around. like singletary did with his rookies. throw them into the fire.

Henderson has been LT and he still is letting the gate swing open like gallery did at times.

I agree sleet.

X

[Sleet]

To be honest. Bruce is raw, and has missed a few easy assignments. BC does look a hell of alot better than carlisle, and BC is just throwing his muscles around. like singletary did with his rookies. throw them into the fire.

Henderson has been LT and he still is letting the gate swing open like gallery did at times.

I agree sleet.

X

Well, that settles it, then. ;) :D :p

Any word on Mitchell or Brown playing FS on run downs?

Huff continues to look good in coverage, but maybe two SS are better v. strong running teams (moving Huff to nickle FS)

[Raider Outlaw]

Lol, people never heard of the stark difference between pre-season and regular season. Remember, this time last year, deuce had a 95 rating and 67% completion percentage.

Gradkowski is capable, but he had one good game last year at pittsburgh. The other games were average to below average starts. No need to go on this exaggerative crusade because you like the guy's personality.

Just be satisfied that QB is the least of our problems for a change. As predictable as ever, the masses turn on the starter for the backup in record time, after the over indulgence in Campbell this off-season....too funny.


this.


and again, saying Gradkowski has consistently done something, and we are talking about a couple quarters of football. He had a good game. He didn't light it up last year, he played ok. He just looked like a GOD compared to the turd that must not be named.

[Postmaster]

Sleet now that X has endorsed your idea, I am going to go ahead and agree with you.

The oracle has spoken.

[Sleet]

Damn those masses!

[Postmaster]

X is just on another level.

He is "special".

[Raider Outlaw]

This will most likely be the outcome because the line and lack of a running game will get them both killed. Bowler's going to play some, too for this reason.

Furthermore, Cable will be coaching for his job so he'll bench Campbell quickly if he stinks it up early.




Rewatching the game now... It's so nice to see our guys be consistent throwing down field with accuracy... Fuggin receivers need to stop with the drops from both guys though...

Certainly a difference in styles... JC is very smooth and graceful while The Bruce is bouncing all over the place like he has to take a bad shit... :D

As long as we win, I'm fine with either or both playing...

[Postmaster]

http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0902-0913-3433_Professional_Bowler_Bowling_clipart_image.jpg

"Bowler".

[Sleet]

Sleet now that X has endorsed your idea, I am going to go ahead and agree with you.

The oracle has spoken.

:pound:

[raiderfreak7]

I can't help but think, "Would anyone have done this for Russell if he was the injured quarterback?"

“I even texted him. It was like, ‘I apologize. I hope you’re OK.’ He told me he was good,” Henderson said. “Like I said, now it’s behind me. We can just move on. It shows a lot of credit.”

[Sleet]

http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0902-0913-3433_Professional_Bowler_Bowling_clipart_image.jpg

"Bowler".

Sshhh :pound:

[Postmaster]

Lol, people never heard of the stark difference between pre-season and regular season. Remember, this time last year, deuce had a 95 rating and 67% completion percentage.

Gradkowski is capable, but he had one good game last year at pittsburgh. The other games were average to below average starts. No need to go on this exaggerative crusade because you like the guy's personality.

Just be satisfied that QB is the least of our problems for a change. As predictable as ever, the masses turn on the starter for the backup in record time, after the over indulgence in Campbell this off-season....too funny.

With Grad it isn't about the stats. It is about the energy he brings to the rest of the team.

That is obvious to anybody looking at this with an open mind.

[raiderfreak7]

With Grad it isn't about the stats. It is about the energy he brings to the rest of the team.

That is obvious to anybody looking at this with an open mind.

The majority of this board seems pretty content with Grad or Campbell starting and I don't think a tear would be shed if Cable announced tomorrow that Grad is the opening day starter.

[Raider Outlaw]

Surprisingly, I thik so. I think guys just knew his head wasn't in the game, but he still generally seems liked.

Michael Bush jumped down some guy's throat for making a Jamarcus joke on twitter a couple of weeks ago and so did Mike Mitchell.

Maybe he was sending over the strippers on road trips, who knows?




I can't help but think, "Would anyone have done this for Russell if he was the injured quarterback?"

[raiderfreak7]

Surprisingly, I thik so. I think guys just knew his head wasn't in the game, but he still generally seems liked.

Michael Bush jumped down some guy's throat for making a Jamarcus joke on twitter a couple of weeks ago and so did Mike Mitchell.

Maybe he was sending over the strippers on road trips, who knows?

If it's not too much trouble would you mind digging those up? That'd be interesting to see and riffling through the twitter world isn't something I'm good at yet.

[Xplosive]

Sshhh :pound:

hahah. yall boys are wild.


Post you make some good points. The problem is Coopers knees and age in run situation at times with him and walker you have to wait for ever for a lane to open up.

Bruce when he has his assignment down, will give you the opportunity to get that lane.

Raiders vs niners replay at 1 tonight NFL network for those who have it.

last but not least.

any guy named bruce on this team has done well. Both Grad and Campbell have show great strides against any second team opposition they faced.

This also this maybe Eugene's last round up.

Daniel looper is floating under the radar, Khalif barnes isnt on a radar.

Jason campbell is fine. Michael bush is fine.

McFadden is ready to show up.

we will be ok against the seahawks.

finally for the record we would have kicked the 9ers ass for 4 quarters and we will this season.

You guys are great.

JUST WIN BABY.

X

[celticraider]

a 70 + yard TD is not stretching the defense? Have you seen the TDs he threw against pit, the bungles and Saturday. The fact of the matter is that grad just gets it done and His team respects and bust their ass for him. With the oline in the condition it is we need a guy who can move like grad, in order to have a pocket QB you need a pocket.

Exactly, if you can put it 40 yards in the air with accuracy you have stretched the defense. No one throws 80 yard bombs in the NFL, there isn't enough time.

[Raider Outlaw]

Neither am I. It was about 2 wks ago or so though.

but I found it interesting because I thought they'd probably say nothing if anything.




If it's not too much trouble would you mind digging those up? That'd be interesting to see and riffling through the twitter world isn't something I'm good at yet.

[Sleet]

finally for the record we would have kicked the 9ers ass for 4 quarters and we will this season.

X

Undefeated season, baby!