The WR position... [Archive]

hawaiianboy

08-23-2010, 11:29 AM

PaulHGutierrez#Raiders coach Tom Cable says WR Chaz Schilens may need "scope" of knee now.

Chazz broken per usual... DHB with a hammy of whatever the hell

I bet Cable and Co are about kicking themselves that TO isn't available anymore...

We seriously need to be making calls about trading for a vet WR... Any viable suggestions?

Postmaster

08-23-2010, 11:33 AM

PaulHGutierrez#Raiders Tom Cable adds if Schilens does need knee "scope," the "hope" is he'd be ready for season opener. Schilens also had sore foot.

CrossBones

08-23-2010, 11:33 AM

We seriously need to be making calls about trading for a vet WR...

Trouble is we needed to do that in May...not September.

It's a head scratcher to me that we went into this season with Schilens, Murphy and Bey + Higgins...WTF? Is that an NFL caliber receiving corps? Especially when Schilens is made of glass and is being counted on to be a #1 receiver. I'm betting this guy is done. Actually he really never got started.

Same thing with the OL. We went into the season with the same bunch that many labeled one of the worst OL's in the NFL. Sure Dummy had something to do with it but we got issues and did nothing to solidify the OL while we're waiting for the two rooks to get up to speed. What a way to run a railroad. :mad:

Byron2112

08-23-2010, 11:38 AM

yeah, we're fucked... shoulda brought in that asshole TO.

I guess we could overpay for the guy in Sandy eggo...

Obviously there isn't much to choose from if teams are signing the like of Javon Walker.

Sleet

08-23-2010, 11:39 AM

Knee? WTF? When did that happen?

Slipped in the tub? Favoring his good foot, threw out knee?

Man, this sucks. I guess we should start getting Chaz ready for after the Bye week. :mad:

hawaiianboy

08-23-2010, 11:51 AM

I guess we could overpay for the guy in Sandy eggo...

I would love that, but it's unlikely... I would imagine we could get something done with Dallas for either Roy Williams/Crayton/Sam Hurd/Ogletree if we wanted to... I think Sam Hurd has some real skills if he can get snaps...

Crow

08-23-2010, 11:56 AM

Trade for Ronnie Brown and run the Wildcat. Fuck it.

NIPS

08-23-2010, 12:01 PM

Put Chaz on IR now and hope to hell someone gets cut

Heres the bottom line

Murphy and DHB were pretty much our 1-2 anyways

Miller.Figurs, Higgins or Watkins more than likely will be #3

Who here is surprised anyway? I knew Chaz wasnt gonna make it anyways, which is why I was screaming for TO

Chaz, although looks great- 2 years and dude hasnt broken 350 yards in a year- wasnt expecting much from glasshouse anyways

Murphy,DHB and Miller

Thats about what you should expect lining up

Madturk

08-23-2010, 12:03 PM

Crayton and Williams names have come up before. Crayton is probably better than anything we have aside from maybe Murph. What's Matt Jones doing these days?:D He had a pretty decent 08 campaign before he got in trouble. Cincy's pretty deep at wideout.

Need to get Jacoby Ford and Nick Miller as many reps as we can these next two games. I guess this means that JLH makes the roster by default.

DarkDays

08-23-2010, 12:07 PM

Trouble is we needed to do that in May...not September.

It's a head scratcher to me that we went into this season with Schilens, Murphy and Bey + Higgins...WTF? Is that an NFL caliber receiving corps? Especially when Schilens is made of glass and is being counted on to be a #1 receiver. I'm betting this guy is done. Actually he really never got started.

Same thing with the OL. We went into the season with the same bunch that many labeled one of the worst OL's in the NFL. Sure Dummy had something to do with it but we got issues and did nothing to solidify the OL while we're waiting for the two rooks to get up to speed. What a way to run a railroad. :mad:

Chaz = Ron Curry redux

NIPS

08-23-2010, 12:07 PM

PaulHGutierrez#Raiders coach Tom Cable says WR Chaz Schilens may need "scope" of knee now

"Whos laughing now Herrera? Huh?? Threaten me will ya?"

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j296/Kaboose88/George_Takei_LOLs.gif

RaiderRobert

08-23-2010, 12:08 PM

Geez, Mr. Sulu is packing on the pounds...

Madturk

08-23-2010, 12:08 PM

Put Chaz on IR now and hope to hell someone gets cut

Heres the bottom line

Murphy and DHB were pretty much our 1-2 anyways

Can we really count on DHB? Doesn't look like he's going to have much P/T this pre-season which he badly needs.

007

08-23-2010, 12:10 PM

Antonio Bryant or Roy Williams for a 5th rounder could be done any time, IMO.

If I'm in charge, I sign Kevin Curtis. Yesterday.

TheMadStork

08-23-2010, 12:10 PM

Can we really count on DHB? Doesn't look like he's going to have much P/T this pre-season which he badly needs.

Yeah, if he's feeling "fatigued" now, how's he feel when he actually gets hit?

CrossBones

08-23-2010, 12:12 PM

Antonio Bryant or Roy Williams for a 5th rounder could be done any time, IMO.

If I'm in charge, I sign Kevin Curtis. Yesterday.If you were in charge we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with. :D

Actaully to hear people on this board talk that could apply to anybody... :^

NIPS

08-23-2010, 12:18 PM

Geez, Mr. Sulu is packing on the pounds...

That aint the olny thing he "packs"

DonkeyKilla

08-23-2010, 12:24 PM

no surprises here on Schilens but i was holding out hope.. damn dude is never going help this team. Know i know what X was talking about resting everyone against Niners, likely no McFadden, DHB either.

Madturk

08-23-2010, 12:26 PM

That aint the olny thing he "packs"

yeah bad meat in a can

Sleet

08-23-2010, 12:48 PM

Fuck that, DHB needs to play and catch a pass in live action, particularly v. 49ers. Al should have STFU about DHB this offseason, and let him fly under the radar. Regardless, DHB now needs to step up; otherwise, his 2nd season may go the way of his 1st, downhill, real fast.

Raider Nation

08-23-2010, 12:48 PM

yeah bad meat in the can

Fixed that for ya.

Langlier

08-23-2010, 12:50 PM

we looked at brandon jones. I havent talked to my guy but I imagine we've got something cooking for another vet WR.

Sleet

08-23-2010, 12:52 PM

we looked at brandon jones. I havent talked to my guy but I imagine we've got something cooking for another vet WR.

Hopefully, we get a vet WR in camp by Wednesday, so he can practice/play on Saturday.

RaiderRobert

08-23-2010, 01:00 PM

Who is even out there that is available, that we could pass on Brandon Jones like we did?

Xplosive

08-23-2010, 01:03 PM

Dont panic, we have DHB and Murphy. let them stay healthy, then rely on jacoby ford and nick miller in the slot and run that pat spread style offense and we can be fine.

We will just look at wide receivers later or pending on draft cuts.

other than that the focus remains for the season.

X

NIPS

08-23-2010, 01:04 PM

I'd keep an eye out for Antonio Brown who the Steelers drafted in rd 6- the Steelers are pretty loaded with WR

This dude can catch, return punts- The Steelers most likely will try and slide this cat through to the PS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U172KCi1mks&feature=related

hawaiianboy

08-23-2010, 01:05 PM

A Natty sighting... Drawn out by a queer Star Trek dude ironically...

This is Roy Williams contract numbers, seems like Jerrah already ate ass on it:

Contract Information for Roy Williams

10/19/2008: Signed a six-year, $54 million contract. The deal contains $26.6085 million guaranteed, including a $10 million option bonus in the second year and $2 million of Williams' 2010 base salary. 2010: $3,452,629 (+ $9.5 million guaranteed option bonus), 2011: $5,109,971, 2012: $6.802 million, 2013: $8.498 million (Voidable Years), 2014: $9 million, 2015: Free Agent

BigTron

08-23-2010, 01:06 PM

Obviously Chaz being hurt a bunch is bad news for us. But I think we need some of these WR's to step up and we can see what we have going forward. If we sign someone it will be of the Torry Holt status. A older vet who has lost a step or two but can still catch and run good route's and tech the youngsters...

I would not IR Shilens under any circumstance's... that would be the end of him here IMO

Xplosive

08-23-2010, 01:07 PM

we are good with what we have no panic here

X

Madturk

08-23-2010, 01:14 PM

Really never saw the huge Roy Williams attraction. He had one big year in Detroit, other than that has been pretty pedestrian.

We have some decisions to make regarding Chaz. Guy can't even get on the field before he tweaks his foot or something. With our luck, we release him and he turns into VJackson II. I just assume roll with him and get what we can out of him. Fugg babying him. If he gets injured again, then he gets injured.

BigTron

08-23-2010, 01:16 PM

we are good with what we have no panic here

X

How many regular season catches do our WR's have? Its more like we are stuck with what we have lets hope they pan out...

A new OC, a new QB, WR's with no real NFL production to boast about and a OL that needs some serious upgrading in the middle... some slight panicing might be in order.

Not to mention our CB's are rolling paper thin

DonkeyKilla

08-23-2010, 01:18 PM

Dallas grossly overpaid to get Williams so i don't know what they would be willing to trade for... We desperately need our 2nd and 3rd rounders next year to continue building an o-line, so I'd really prefer not to trade for an overpriced mediocre talent.
We all know why were in this predicament tho.

DarkDays

08-23-2010, 01:47 PM

we are good with what we have no panic here

X

Said the minister of defense for Saddam's Army...

RaiderJF

08-23-2010, 01:54 PM

we are good with what we have no panic here

X

Un - F-in - believable. Even with Chaz we are questionable at wideout. Without him, we have nothing close to a #1 wr at this point. In fact, the rest of our wrs probably wouldn't be starting #2 wideouts on just about any other team in the league. We are going to need about 120 receptions from Z Miller this year given our likely wr production out of this group.

DonkeyKilla

08-23-2010, 01:56 PM

would like to see DHB for a full half of football Sat night...

PDX Raider

08-23-2010, 01:57 PM

Un - F-in - believable. Even with Chaz we are questionable at wideout. Without him, we have nothing close to a #1 wr at this point. In fact, the rest of our wrs probably wouldn't be starting #2 wideouts on just about any other team in the league. We are going to need about 120 receptions from Z Miller this year given our likely wr production out of this group.

Murphy is solid. The rest are giant question marks. Schillens may be Curry post injury. He may be one of those guys that just never gets healthy. I was optimistic about DHB until he was inactive for "fatigue" reasons, whatever that means. He is a giant question mark. At this point, it may be time to consider going into the season w/ JLH, Ford, and Miller. I know three mini-mights is not ideal, but honestly those three may produce more than DHB and Schillens.

PDX

Sleet

08-23-2010, 02:03 PM

Un - F-in - believable. Even with Chaz we are questionable at wideout. Without him, we have nothing close to a #1 wr at this point. In fact, the rest of our wrs probably wouldn't be starting #2 wideouts on just about any other team in the league. We are going to need about 120 receptions from Z Miller this year given our likely wr production out of this group.

What's there not to like about DHB/Murphy v. TO/Ocho?

Murphy would be a good #3--he's an average #2 (hopefully). But, as far as a #1 goes, we better hope we can run the ball and DMC can make some plays splitting out wide with DHB, and that Ford or JLH (or Miller) can step up an be a respectable #3 (crinch).

RaiderJF

08-23-2010, 02:06 PM

Murphy is solid. The rest are giant question marks. Schillens may be Curry post injury. He may be one of those guys that just never gets healthy. I was optimistic about DHB until he was inactive for "fatigue" reasons, whatever that means. He is a giant question mark. At this point, it may be time to consider going into the season w/ JLH, Ford, and Miller. I know three mini-mights is not ideal, but honestly those three may produce more than DHB and Schillens.

PDX

Don't get me wrong, I like Murphy, but there is no way in hell that I could classify him right now as solid. He drops way too many easy passes to garner that classification. IMO, he would have a hard time at this point in his career being more than a #3 wr on most teams in this league and to have him as your #1 puts this team at a major competitive disadvantage.

RaiderJF

08-23-2010, 02:07 PM

What's there not to like about DHB/Murphy v. TO/Ocho?

Murphy would be a very good #3--he's an average #2 (hopefully). But, as far as a #1 goes, we better hope we can run the ball and DMC can make some plays splitting out wide with DHB, and that Ford or JLH (or Miller) can step up an be a respectable #3 (crinch).

Exactly.

Sleet

08-23-2010, 02:14 PM

And there it is:

Chaz Schilens may go under the knife again
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 23, 2010 4:18 PM ET

If health is a skill, Raiders wide receiver Chaz Schilens doesn't have it.

We've heard for a while now that Schilens is a quality starting wide receiver. We've even believed it; he and Louis Murphy would be a better starting group than the Raiders have had for years if Schilens was healthy. (And the team didn't stubbornly start Darrius Heyward-Bey.)

Here's the thing; Schilens is never healthy for long. Raiders coach Tom Cable said Schilens may need surgery on his knee, according to the Oakland Tribune. It seems Schilens has been overcompensating for his surgically repaired foot, which bothered him all of last year.

Jason Campbell is a big upgrade at quarterback, but it's going to be very difficult for him to succeed if Murphy -- a second year player that was taken in fourth round -- is the only reliable wideout he has to throw to.

hawaiianboy

08-23-2010, 02:15 PM

Murphy would be a good #3--he's an average #2 (hopefully). .

I think this is undervaluing Murphy... I think he can be a great #2 and eventually a lead dog if given the chance ... The guy is always open... He reminds me a lot of Hines Ward in fact..

Langlier

08-23-2010, 02:16 PM

I think this is undervaluing Murphy... I think he can be a great #2 and eventually a lead dog if given the chance ... The guy is always open... He reminds me a lot of Hines Ward in fact..

a faster ward with a lot more attitude.

Murph is our flanker til chaz is healthy. I'm still hoping to see the new improved DHB.

Sleet

08-23-2010, 02:20 PM

I think this is undervaluing Murphy... I think he can be a great #2 and eventually a lead dog if given the chance ... The guy is always open... He reminds me a lot of Hines Ward in fact..

I don't disagree, and I hope you're right. I've read "experts" who have seen him play say that he could be special. He has made some special plays. But I've also seen teams take him away. We need somebody opposite him to draw respect/coverage. Otherwise, they'll sit on Miller and Murphy.

RaiderRobert

08-23-2010, 02:21 PM

would like to see DHB for a full half of football Sat night...

Half? Shit. He needs to play the whole damn game...

Rupert

08-23-2010, 02:21 PM

I think this is undervaluing Murphy... I think he can be a great #2 and eventually a lead dog if given the chance ... The guy is always open... He reminds me a lot of Hines Ward in fact..

I don't remember who was covering him against Chicago. But he ran a textbook slant in the slot. He faded ever so gently wide before making a speed cut for the slant, the corner didn't react to the break until he was two steps into it and the ball was halfway there.

Murphy's got the goods.

Unfortunately, he dropped one he should have caught too.

Still, the dude has a very high ceiling.

DonkeyKilla

08-23-2010, 02:44 PM

Half? Shit. He needs to play the whole damn game...

well he only got 1 series in game 1 so i did'nt want to get greedy! :mad:

007

08-23-2010, 02:48 PM

a faster ward with a lot more attitude.

Murph is our flanker til chaz is healthy. I'm still hoping to see the new improved DHB.

Oh.

So he's faster and has more attitude than Hines?

You realize that Ward has 900 receptions and 11000 career yards, right?

He's also considered the greatest blocking WR in NFL history?

I think in an effort to oversell Louis Murphy, you just insulted one of the best WR of the last two decades.

jatfly

08-23-2010, 02:49 PM

SKY IS FALLING!!! OH NO!!! Let's wait a min and see what happens, ITS PRESEASON.

I still think DHB is gonna have a good year, I think everyone saying this great camp he has had & Al is up to his tricks. Doesn't want to give people to much of him in the preseason.

MURPHY is a gonna be a solid guy for a while in this league, I think last year was the start of a great career here for this guy sure he drops some balls but most guys do and tend to overcome it with bigger plays....

Chaz may have to have a minor surgery that will allow him to be back by the beginning of the season. Let not forget Ford and Higgins (had a nice end to last year) both are capable 3rd and 4ths.
I think what may end up happening if Chaz is hurting early when he does come back he may be the 3rd. with the starting guys being DHB and Murphy.....

(aka Batman) TO can keep his salary and mouth in the fine fine (sarcasm) city of Cincinnati.
Now I would take Crayton I think he is solid. But not sure I want another possible WR on this team right now, I want these guys to develop first then maybe next year bring in a Vet to be a 4th or 3rd WR or 1st if none of them pan out.

007

08-23-2010, 02:52 PM

I'm absolutely petrified about our offense as a whole.

Question marks at literally EVERY position.

QB-?
RB-??
WR-???
OL????
FB?

I like our TE and then after that its nothing but worries...

DarkDays

08-23-2010, 02:55 PM

I don't remember who was covering him against Chicago. But he ran a textbook slant in the slot. He faded ever so gently wide before making a speed cut for the slant, the corner didn't react to the break until he was two steps into it and the ball was halfway there.

Murphy's got the goods.

Unfortunately, he dropped one he should have caught too.

Still, the dude has a very high ceiling.

You liked the slant to eh it reminded me of vintage Tim Brown, Murphy did everything right on that rout perfect from start to finish. I think he has the goods as well.

RaiderJF

08-23-2010, 02:58 PM

I think this is undervaluing Murphy... I think he can be a great #2 and eventually a lead dog if given the chance ... The guy is always open... He reminds me a lot of Hines Ward in fact..

No one is questioning Murphy's potential; the question is what is his skill / performance level right now for the 2010 year. He may become a "great #2" or "eventually a lead dog", but right now he's an unpolished and inconsistent young wr that most teams wouldn't use in a starting / full time receiving capacity right now. It appears that we have some good young talent in Murphy, Ford, DHB, and Schilens such that the wr position can potententially be in good shape going forward. But right now, Campbell is going to have some significant problems THIS YEAR with this group if Schilens can't get and stay healthy.

Langlier

08-23-2010, 03:03 PM

Oh.

So he's faster and has more attitude than Hines?

You realize that Ward has 900 receptions and 11000 career yards, right?

He's also considered the greatest blocking WR in NFL history?

I think in an effort to oversell Louis Murphy, you just insulted one of the best WR of the last two decades.

i'm talking skillset not direct comparison.

murphy can block but isn't near ward in that category yet

murphy certainly has more attitude

his hands are quite a bit more questionable (at this point)

but he's got speed on ward

Murphy isn't on Ward's level yet because of experience. Let him settle into his role and we'll see where he is.

but as a player he's going to be the guy that makes the tough catches and turns them into decent gains - which has been ward's MO the last 6-7 years.

hawaiianboy

08-23-2010, 03:13 PM

I'm absolutely petrified about our offense as a whole.

Question marks at literally EVERY position.

QB-?
RB-??
WR-???
OL????
FB?

I like our TE and then after that its nothing but worries...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLYxRWjHzwQ

007

08-23-2010, 03:14 PM

Have not clicked. I'm gonna guess The Replacements Orlando Jones scene?

"At first I was afraid, damn I was petrified!"

EDIT:

I do sound like a downer, maybe I'm curbing my enthusiasm because of how positive an offseason its been...

I do think this is the best team we've had since the early 2000's though...

NIPS

08-23-2010, 03:24 PM

i'm talking skillset not direct comparison.

murphy can block but isn't near ward in that category yet

murphy certainly has more attitude

his hands are quite a bit more questionable (at this point)

but he's got speed on ward

Murphy isn't on Ward's level yet because of experience. Let him settle into his role and we'll see where he is.

but as a player he's going to be the guy that makes the tough catches and turns them into decent gains - which has been ward's MO the last 6-7 years.

One of you two need to buy a strap on

CrossBones

08-23-2010, 03:30 PM

I still think DHB is gonna have a good yearBased on what exactly? Better seven on seven play in non contact drills? Once he got into the game against Dallas he completely disappeared. Just sayin'...we got nothing yet with this guy. Maybe he'll surprise but right now he's apparently dinged up and not even practicing. So to think right now he's going to have a good/above average season is really blind speculation.

Sleet

08-23-2010, 03:43 PM

Based on what exactly? Better seven on seven play in non contact drills? :pound:

Sad thing is, I had the same feeling, too. But I also thought Chaz was actually going to make it to the regular season this year. :shakehead:

At least Murph looked like a player, and Ford looked good in his 1st game.

hawaiianboy

08-23-2010, 04:21 PM

Based on what exactly?

Didn't you get Hererra's press release?...

Try and follow along... dumbass...

system7

08-23-2010, 04:27 PM

we dun goofed

BigTron

08-23-2010, 04:48 PM

I think you can expect better things from DHB. Why? Because he was a rookie last year. Its notoriously hard to pick things up in the NFL as a young WR. He had no OC last year. JaMarcus Russell was behind center sippin sizzurp instead of gatorade. DHB has also been working very hard on all accounts ot get better.

I think if you take all those things into account its not crazy to think he might drastically improve. And its not hard to improve from what happened last year either!

New OC, more reps, NFL game speed exp., Jason Campell > J.Russell etc

DHB should contribute way more than last season. I wont be suprised if i see him shutting up some critics this season.

Chaz gets way more slack than young DHB. Thats not fair haha

DonkeyKilla

08-23-2010, 04:51 PM

7th rounders usually get more slack than 1.8

poptart

08-23-2010, 05:15 PM

Dont panic, we have DHB and Murphy.

LOL

Have DHB's vaginal cramps settled down by now?

then rely on jacoby ford and nick miller in the slot and run that pat spread style offense and we can be fine.

Good luck keeping both of them healthy.

Hope they are, but even then, neither guy is exactly a proven commodity.

You sell used cars on the side, by any chance?

Sleet

08-23-2010, 05:24 PM

You sell used cars on the side, by any chance?

They're called season tickets. ;)

NIPS

08-23-2010, 05:27 PM

TheMadStork

08-23-2010, 05:49 PM

Hey man? Whats the going rate for season tickets in the hood?

That caged bridge ya gotta walk over to the bart ... packed like fuckin animals after a game just waiting to get stuck in the liver by a shank

After all the abuse your liver's taken, do you think it would even notice a shank??? Hell, the blade would probably dissolve...

:D

SoCalRaider

08-23-2010, 06:19 PM

I don't think it's realistic to have expected this thing to be fixed on 1 offseason..... Yes I know it's an over-used mantra around here, but WR was most likely the last thing we could fix by virtue of having dummy on our roster. No half way decent WR was going to come here with that waste of flesh even on the roster. By the time he was lead piped, most of the good WRs were gone.

Plus, loudmouth clowns like TO don't really make a team better. Dallas and Phili saw a minimal drop off with him gone. He did absolutely nothing for the Bills and would have had the same minimal impact here. If this team is gping to make a move for a vet impact player, OLine would make a hell of a lot more sense than WR.

NIPS

08-23-2010, 06:23 PM

After all the abuse your liver's taken, do you think it would even notice a shank??? Hell, the blade would probably dissolve...

:D

I squirt mustard in yer eye and laugh as you roll on the floor .....

"I AM.." <- notice the caps....

Xplosive

08-23-2010, 07:34 PM

hawaiianboy

08-23-2010, 08:37 PM

I do sound like a downer, maybe I'm curbing my enthusiasm because of how positive an offseason its been...

Just giving you shit man... I guess I just don't get why so many people came out of that Bears game so "down"... We did a lot of good things out there yet all we hear about is Forte's run and Campbell's pick....

I mean we're running a defense with a new scheme and 5 new starters, seven if you want to include Seymour and Kelly changing positions... Two of those 5 new starters are rookies... Our LB core consist of two starters making the switch from a 34 to a 43 and a converted DE with limited LB work... Of course there are going to be breakdowns and growing pains, not to mention on Forte's run when you also have new starters at both corner spots and one DT spot... You're not going to hit the ground running with three quarters of live ball under your belt, it's just not realistic... That's why I was a bit upset that we didn't have joint practices with another team...

Same goes with Campbell and his chemistry in the passing game... It's going to take reps in live situations to really get in a groove... Having all these receivers on whirlpool watch ain't helping any...

fatdog

08-23-2010, 08:56 PM

That's why I was a bit upset that we didn't have joint practices with another team...

Same goes with Campbell and his chemistry in the passing game... It's going to take reps in live situations to really get in a groove... ..

Unfortunately, I think that is what the first quarter of the regular season will be all about.

NIPS

08-24-2010, 02:15 AM

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/jbrussich/P1020292.jpg

Crow

08-24-2010, 02:43 AM

X: Still trollin'.

Crow

08-24-2010, 02:54 AM

Move McFadden and Reece outside until further notice. Stopgap achieved.

Crow

08-24-2010, 03:16 AM

http://i35.tinypic.com/w05phj.jpg

jake99

08-24-2010, 01:33 PM

Minny sports talk says Javon's a Vike- watching him do well is going to suck.

Raider Nation

08-24-2010, 01:53 PM

Minny sports talk says Javon's a Vike- watching him do well is going to suck.

Why? Did he go to Nicaragua to get a brain transplant?

The guy's done. His knee has the structural integrity of paper mache and has never been fully tested since he got it operated on out of the back of a van in Uzbekistan. I've got to think he was brought in because he's Favre's buddy and he knows the offense & route tree.

Greg Lewis is a better bet to see increased action/productivity.

scootertramp

08-24-2010, 02:00 PM

Oh.

So he's faster and has more attitude than Hines?

You realize that Ward has 900 receptions and 11000 career yards, right?

He's also considered the greatest blocking WR in NFL history?

I think in an effort to oversell Louis Murphy, you just insulted one of the best WR of the last two decades.

He laid a pretty nice block on that Miller touchdown last year! Two "F"n blocks in fact! Murphy is a player. What about thenopening SD game. Got raped or would have scored the winning TD! Pittsburg. two big plays on the final drive and the go ahead touchdown. Yaa he's just pedestrian! They scored with that 4th round pick! He ain't no Hines ward but he plays the same way!

DarthRaidor

08-24-2010, 04:30 PM

Move McFadden and Reece outside until further notice. Stopgap achieved.

Or pickup Matt Jones when Cincy waives him.

DonkeyKilla

08-24-2010, 04:38 PM

Sleet

08-24-2010, 04:52 PM

would be cool if we had an offense where Bush and DMC are both on the field, DHB and Murphy are wide out and we can put DMC in the slot at last second or not- even have Bush run at FB occaisionaly in this set up- but bascially the defense doesn't know what's coming. fake a hand off to DMC and give to Bush going other way, have DMC come from slot on a reverse etc. just thinking out loud here so don't blow too many holes in my plan.

I've been wanting Bush and DMC on the field at the same time, for a long time. I also want to see more double TE, double WR, single-back sets. Apparently, the coaches know something I don't b/c we haven't seen either.

DonkeyKilla

08-24-2010, 05:00 PM

Heck even DMC blocking for Bush if they weren't expecting it. DMC can lay a wicked hit actually...

Raider Bill

08-24-2010, 05:04 PM

If there is a quality move to be made then I hope we do something.

I just dont want Al to make the annual paniced free agent disaster move, overpay a guy who doesnt want to be here or cant play anymore.

RaiderRobert

08-24-2010, 05:25 PM

Heck even DMC blocking for Bush if they weren't expecting it. DMC can lay a wicked hit actually...

Just not when carrying the rock...

Postmaster

08-24-2010, 05:31 PM

Just not when carrying the rock...

I have seen him knock dudes out while running with the ball. When he gets a head of steam he definitely isn't scared to lower his shoulder.

RaiderRobert

08-24-2010, 06:10 PM

I have seen him knock dudes out while running with the ball. When he gets a head of steam he definitely isn't scared to lower his shoulder.

Par for the course for him is falling down at first contact. Yes, I know once or twice he has laid a lick. But a broken clock is still right twice a day...

Postmaster

08-24-2010, 06:11 PM

Par for the course for him is falling down at first contact. Yes, I know once or twice he has laid a lick. But a broken clock is still right twice a day...

It has been more than once or twice.....but I get your point.

Crow

08-25-2010, 03:03 AM

Or pickup Matt Jones when Cincy waives him.

I'm not entirely opposed to it. Then again, desperation makes for strange bedfellows.

Still thinking a 5th rounder for Crayton might fly. Make it a 4th if Jerrah wants to be a dick about it.

DarthRaidor

08-25-2010, 05:32 AM

I'm not entirely opposed to it. Then again, desperation makes for strange bedfellows.

Still thinking a 5th rounder for Crayton might fly. Make it a 4th if Jerrah wants to be a dick about it.

I hear ya my man, but why give up a draft pick when you can pick up a guy who brings what Chaz brings off the wire? I do like the Crayton move though too.

Madturk

08-25-2010, 05:48 AM

Jones is only one year removed from a 65 catch season. He's big, fast, and physical. I know we're staying away from character issue players but hopefully he's finally got his shit together. I think we could get 50-60 catches out of him.

With Bryant's injury, he may stick, especially with his 700k price tag.

RaiderNationUK

08-25-2010, 06:18 AM

Latest Behind the Shield had Nam on it, he introduced himself as Corner, Safety, Wide Receiver, Kick Returner and backup QB if needed.

He said he'll being doing alot more things this year but didn't elaborate. Maybe no plans for a vet WR :o

gannoncannon

08-25-2010, 10:01 AM

Maybe no plans for a vet WR :o

If Nnamdi's frustrated that passes aren't coming his way, why not? :D

Sleet

08-25-2010, 10:13 AM

If Nnamdi's frustrated that passes aren't coming his way, why not? :D

Aso looked like the WR on Romo's pass that Roy broke up.

Sleet

08-25-2010, 10:21 AM

Why are we sitting on our thumbs? Apparently, this was who was out there:

Vikings trade for veteran receiver
Posted by Mike Florio on August 25, 2010 12:59 PM ET

When word broke that Vikings receiver Sidney Rice unexpectedly underwent hip surgery, we thought that the Vikings may explore trading for a certain wideout who plays in the AFC East.

But with Randy Moss of the Patriots likely going nowhere, the Vikings instead have swung a deal for Dolphins receiver Greg Camarillo.

Compensation is not yet known. It's believed to be a cornerback, possibly Benny Sapp.

Camarillo likely will compete with Greg Lewis for third spot on the depth chart in Minnesota. Camarillo was the hero of Miami's only win during a 1-15 regular season in 2007, scoring on a 64-yard catch and run in overtime.

DonkeyKilla

08-25-2010, 10:29 AM

We are certainly putting a lot of faith in DHB.

DarthRaidor

08-25-2010, 11:15 AM

We are certainly putting a lot of faith in DHB.

Al trying to squeeze every nickel possible outta his foolish draft picks.

TheMadStork

08-25-2010, 11:22 AM

Al trying to squeeze every nickel possible outta his foolish draft picks.

Hey, you have to be careful with your scholarship players. You never know when the NCAA is going to swoop down and put you on probation.

Oh, waitaminnit...

Sleet

08-25-2010, 11:28 AM

DHB, Murphy, JLH, Chaz, Ford--they are all Al's draft picks.

Chaz can't get on the field. JLH's cage has been rattled. Murphy's a keeper. Ford, would like to see more of. DHB, fingers remained crossed.

B/c we don't have a true #1 (or a blocking FB), I'd sure like to see DMac and Bush on the field at the same time, or double TE, double WR, single back sets

DarthRaidor

08-25-2010, 11:53 AM

007

08-25-2010, 12:13 PM

Jones is on the Bengals I think...

SilvernBlack

08-25-2010, 12:28 PM

I don't see what the big deal is my feeling is we went out to build our Defense up this year. Hopefully next year we will work on offense. After all championships are built on defense IMO.

godeep811

08-25-2010, 01:25 PM

I don't see what the big deal is my feeling is we went out to build our Defense up this year. Hopefully next year we will work on offense. After all championships are built on defense IMO.

This is now an outdated idea. Name the last team to win a Super Bowl with a dominant defense? It's probably the 2002 Bucs or 2000 Ravens.

It's now a passing league due to the massive rule changes to give offenses the advantage. The great teams in today's NFL win with great offenses led by a great QB. Teams that will always be in the playoff hunt (Saints, Colts, Chargers, etc) are led by strong passing games.

Raider Bill

08-25-2010, 02:12 PM

Are/were you really expecting to win the super bowl this year?

You finally got a pro football franchise in Oakland now, dont fuck it up by bringing in some head case, jackoff WR.

The fact that we didnt trade for a guy who's just going to compete with friggin Greg Lewis doesnt concern me LOL. Greg Lewis blows.

Jayl

08-25-2010, 02:15 PM

Crow

08-25-2010, 02:49 PM

I hear ya my man, but why give up a draft pick when you can pick up a guy who brings what Chaz brings off the wire? I do like the Crayton move though too.

What Chaz brings? So Matt Jones has recurring knee and foot injuries too? :D

Crow

08-25-2010, 02:51 PM

This is now an outdated idea. Name the last team to win a Super Bowl with a dominant defense? It's probably the 2002 Bucs or 2000 Ravens.

Giants?
Steelers?

SilvernBlack

08-26-2010, 07:47 AM

This is now an outdated idea. Name the last team to win a Super Bowl with a dominant defense? It's probably the 2002 Bucs or 2000 Ravens.

It's now a passing league due to the massive rule changes to give offenses the advantage. The great teams in today's NFL win with great offenses led by a great QB. Teams that will always be in the playoff hunt (Saints, Colts, Chargers, etc) are led by strong passing games.

I don't care how good a teams passing game is or QB if you can't stop anyone on defense you can't win. The Saints had a great offense last year but their defense wasn't all that bad either. If teams can run the ball on you at will like teams have been doing to us for 7 years know I don't really think it matters how good your offense is. It seems to me our main focus was on stopping the run this year. Bottom line if you can't score you can't win.

NIPS

08-26-2010, 11:29 AM

Word is the Bengals are getting ready to release Antonio Bryant

Madturk

08-26-2010, 11:32 AM

Here's the story

League source: Bengals ready to release Antonio Bryant
33 m ago By Bob Glauber

The Bengals opted to sign Antonio Bryant over Terrell Owens when the two receivers visited the team in early March. The team gave Bryant a four-year, $28 million deal that included a $7 million signing bonus.

But Bryant, who has experienced knee problems that have limited him to just one practice in training camp, may not even make it to the regular season opener. There's plenty of speculation...

Postmaster

08-26-2010, 11:34 AM

Antonio Bryant and Chaz will become fast friends in the training room.

If he can't walk, what good is he here or anywhere? :confused:

CrossBones

08-26-2010, 11:36 AM

Rupert

08-26-2010, 11:41 AM

No thanks. We have enough people in the training room. Bryant looks to me like another Javon Walker situation. If we're wanting a vet WR we should have thought of that earlier in the year. Instead we bet ev everything on a kid who can't stay on the field and one who to this point can't catch the ball. Well done. It's virtually too late now. Vincent Jackson would be nice but that is never going to happen so...we are what we are.

We running this season with these kids, like it or not. They're athletic, a couple of them have some talent, and it's up to Cable and Hue to get something out of them. Campbell sees their potential, but he knows it's potential.

Postmaster

08-29-2010, 10:17 AM

Adam_SchefterFirst surprising cut -- and we're not referring to Windt. RT @Bengals: Antonio bryant released along with mike windt.

Sleet

08-29-2010, 10:35 AM

We should get this guy, :D, then put him on IR, stash him for a year.

Postmaster

08-29-2010, 10:40 AM

We should get this guy, :D, then put him on IR, stash him for a year.

He is done, but I know some guys had an interest in him.

DHB's confidence should grow off last night's game.

I am glad he came back to catch a ball after his drop.

Wouldn't want his last play to be a negative one.

If we can roll with DHB and Murph until Glassman comes back I think we are set at wideout.

We might want to consider bringing in some oline help. Just maybe. :shakehead:

Sleet

08-29-2010, 10:48 AM

RB help is likely the top priority right now.

RaiderRobert

08-29-2010, 10:49 AM

RB help is likely the top priority right now.

I'd think O-Line first...

DonkeyKilla

08-29-2010, 10:51 AM

I say pull the trigger on Lynch now. bush is going to be out and McFadden is a 3rd down scat back, we have no #1 runner without Bush. Bennet is a backup to McFadden and Cartwright doesn't belong on an nfl roster.

Sleet

08-29-2010, 10:54 AM

I'd think O-Line first...

Al's got a lot of phone calls to make tonight. Dallas is likely calling around for OL help, too.

CrossBones

08-29-2010, 01:01 PM

RB help is likely the top priority right now.That and a doctor. :banana:

TheNextStep

08-29-2010, 01:06 PM

So let me see if this makes sense to anybody else...

We've got people saying that Heyward-Bey is a bust... and then the same people are suggesting that we pick up Matt Jones?

Really? Because I looked at the date of the post and it wasn't April 1st...

hawaiianboy

08-29-2010, 01:10 PM

I think there should be concern about depth... Bey already has a little history of being dinged... If he goes out, we play Murphy and ???

I'd give Clayton a call if he gets cut:
Michael Clayton didn't play a single snap in the Bucs' third preseason game Saturday night.

RaiderRobert

08-29-2010, 01:10 PM

DHB, DMAC, and Ford. The 3 fastest dudes at Combine last 3 years. Line em up. Go Deep. Every play, throw the bomb. Problem solved...

TheNextStep

08-29-2010, 01:11 PM

I'm down for this, as soon as we sign Jeff George again.

TheMadStork

08-29-2010, 01:12 PM

DHB, DMAC, and Ford. The 3 fastest dudes at Combine last 3 years. Line em up. Go Deep. Every play, throw the bomb. Problem solved...

ALERT for RaiderRobert!!

Al Davis has hacked your account and is posting under your name!!!

Sleet

08-29-2010, 02:09 PM

Why isn't Ford getting more opportunities. I'm so tired of YF and Watkins.

CrossBones

08-29-2010, 02:16 PM

Why isn't Ford getting more opportunities. I'm so tired of YF and Watkins.No shit. Is Figurs even making this team?

DonkeyKilla

08-29-2010, 03:06 PM

go Figur

jake99

08-29-2010, 03:15 PM

Why isn't Ford getting more opportunities. I'm so tired of YF and Watkins.

Totally this.

RaiderJF

08-29-2010, 04:19 PM

No shit. Is Figurs even making this team?

Right now it looks like it. Based on player rotation from game 3, it looks like Figurs is the #4 or #5 wr and #1 return man.

jake99

08-29-2010, 04:24 PM

Javon looked healthy last night,,,,,, I hate him.

RaiderJF

08-29-2010, 04:34 PM

If Bryant gets healthy enough to practice, I'd give him a call...

RaiderNorth

08-29-2010, 04:44 PM

Did Higgins play at WR last night? Only noticed him returning punts, and doing it badly at that.

raiderfreak7

08-29-2010, 05:06 PM

Did Higgins play at WR last night? Only noticed him returning punts, and doing it badly at that.

I know I saw him early in the game in three wideout sets with Murphy and DHB. Didn't pay much attention to him after that as I was trying to key in on Bey.

NIPS

08-29-2010, 05:22 PM

If the Raiders were smart- they'd lock in Loooo to a 7 year deal

That MF'er is the real deal- and I aint fuckin around when I tellya

raiderfreak7

08-29-2010, 05:26 PM

If the Raiders were smart- they'd lock in Loooo to a 7 year deal

That MF'er is the real deal- and I aint fuckin around when I tellya

Both him and Bey impressed the hell out of me with their route running last night. Nice and crisp. Both of them still need to work on catching the rock, though. If we get okay pass protection I see Murphy getting close to 1,000 yards this season.

Sleet

08-29-2010, 05:31 PM

Bad news: Murphy, Meyers, Miller, DHB, YF, and Watkins all dropped balls last night.

Good news: I think those were essentially the only incompletions.

Sleet

08-30-2010, 09:05 PM

Am I missing something? YF and JLH? I prefer Ford and Miller.

Over an hour ago - Coach Tom Cable hasn't tabbed a No. 3 receiver behind starters Darrius Heyward-Bey and Louis Murphy but said "Yamon Figurs has stepped it up," as has rookie Jacoby Ford. "Johnnie Lee Higgins has showed some things. So we have a nice corps right there." Raiders RapidReports

McD reports

With Schilens out, here is how Cable handicapped the wide receivers competition behind Louis Murphy and Darrius Heyward-Bey: “I think there’s a number of guys. I think Yamon Figurs has stepped it up. Jacoby Ford. We’ve got to teach him to get his feet up underneath him when he’s coming out of breaks a little bit. Johnnie Lee Higgins has showed some things. So we have a nice corps right there, a next group just ready to step up.”

East Bay Grease

08-30-2010, 11:34 PM

If I'm in charge, I sign Kevin Curtis. Yesterday.
If you were in charge we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with. :D

Actaully to hear people on this board talk that could apply to anybody... :^
Of course, if I were in charge, we'd just be worrying about who lines up opposite our star WR Calvin Johnson. (And still patting ourselves on the back about having dodged a bullet by drafting CJ, rather than that bust JaMarcus Russell.)
:neener:

Madturk

08-31-2010, 05:35 AM

Little Nicky Miller looks like he may be on the bubble but unless we bring a vet in, I suspect he sticks. He can't be any worse than JLH returning punts.

Xplosive

08-31-2010, 08:04 AM

" we can win with what we have sir". - tom cable

I think we shouldnt add a wide out and push these young boys to be men. they need the pressure all season to know they need to be healthy and not piggy back off anyone else.

like I told you guys before, by week 3 when chaz returns, we will be the most powerful team in the nfl. offensively with Mcfadden starting.

X

Freakshow

08-31-2010, 08:22 AM

like I told you guys before, by week 3 when chaz returns, we will be the most powerful team in the nfl. offensively with Mcfadden starting.X

X, you've posted some doozie's but this might take the cake. Seriously..."the most powerful offensive team in the NFL"? :shrug:

CrossBones

08-31-2010, 08:24 AM

X, I know the season is close but stop yourself. LOL.

RF34

08-31-2010, 08:31 AM

like I told you guys before, by week 3 when chaz returns, we will be the most powerful team in the nfl. offensively with Mcfadden starting.

X

Coming from the poster who once hailed JaBustus as "THE KING!!!". :pound:

...and aren't you the one always crying about our weak-ass O-Line? What gives? :shrug:

Postmaster

08-31-2010, 08:35 AM

Coming from the poster who once hailed JaBustus as "THE KING!!!". :pound:

...and aren't you the one always crying about our weak-ass O-Line? What gives? :shrug:

My guess is heavy Angel Dust use.

NIPS

08-31-2010, 08:59 AM

My guess is heavy Angel Dust use.

10-12 in defense and 15-17 in offense is what level I expect this team to perform at

Crow

08-31-2010, 09:44 AM

10-12 in defense and 15-17 in offense is what level I expect this team to perform at

Well, at least we know where you're getting your sherm from. Now we just gotta get you both admitted to the Betty Ford Clinic.

DarkDays

08-31-2010, 10:10 AM

Well, at least we know where you're getting your sherm from. Now we just gotta get you both admitted to the Betty Ford Clinic.

Your killing me :pound:

Xplosive

08-31-2010, 10:14 AM

lol I always said russell was king i didnt say king of the NFL. that king thing was reffering to him being the king of that parade.

Dont worry help is on the way.

X

Sleet

08-31-2010, 11:18 AM

Bye, bye Carlisle?

Madturk

08-31-2010, 12:30 PM

X is working a deal to bring Mankins back to Calif.:p

Madturk

08-31-2010, 02:49 PM

Scratch Burress of your wish list.

NEW YORK — Former Super Bowl star Plaxico Burress has lost a bid for work release from his two-year prison sentence in a New York gun case.

The state Department of Correctional Services said Tuesday that it had turned down the former New York Giants wide receiver's request. It's his second since he started serving his sentence last September. He can appeal the decision but otherwise can't reapply for a work furlough until next June.

His lawyer didn't immediately return a telephone call.

The agency said Burress' request was denied because of his crime. Burress pleaded guilty last year to attempted criminal possession of a weapon for having a loaded handgun in a nightclub that went off and shot him in the leg.

Sleet

08-31-2010, 04:04 PM

X is working a deal to bring Mankins back to Calif.:p

Now you jinx it!!! :D

Crow

08-31-2010, 04:09 PM

I wonder how many actual criminals have come in and gotten out since Burress got convicted of stupidity...

TheNextStep

08-31-2010, 06:15 PM

Fuck that. I'm with X... at least until the real bullets start flying. We're a fucking juggernaught!

Crow

08-31-2010, 07:29 PM

Fuck that. I'm with X...

:bugeye:

CrossBones

08-31-2010, 08:20 PM

Until further notice, ``We good". :cool:

RaiderRobert

08-31-2010, 09:10 PM

Fuck that. I'm with X... at least until the real bullets start flying. We're a fucking juggernaught!

JuggerNOT maybe... Go Raiders?

Sleet

08-31-2010, 09:28 PM

Well, our D currently leads the league in fewest points and fewest yards given up in the regular season. We are also tied for 1st in sacks. Our offense is tied for first in every category as well. :D

hawaiianboy

08-31-2010, 10:48 PM

Fuck that. I'm with X... at least until the real bullets start flying. We're a fucking juggernaught!

I'm with you Holmes... We may crash and burn like Richie Valens and Buddy Holly, but people will remember us dammit! I BELIEVE!

Crow

08-31-2010, 11:03 PM

Thelma & Louise, maybe.

Crow

08-31-2010, 11:03 PM

And why do I think of DHB when I watch this clip?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azXcaxjFgF8&feature=aso

Sleet

09-01-2010, 01:09 PM

49ers are lucky they have Mike to send these two girls to their room. Next, he'll have them write on a chalkboard, "I will not fight during class," a thousand times.

Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree exit practice after exchanging words
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 1, 2010 3:55 PM ET

This time, Mike Singletary went with Vernon Davis into the locker room after the the tight end lost control of his emotions.

The 49ers coach reportedly escorted his Pro Bowl tight end and wide receiver Michael Crabtree off the field after the two players had a lengthy heated argument in the middle of practice. The three men stayed inside the team's locker room for 10 minutes before Davis re-emerged. Then Crabtree and Singletary came out together a few minutes later.

Crabtree and Davis reportedly watched the rest of practice from the sidelines while standing apart.

"I will not talk about the issue, but they both were wrong," Singletary said after practice.

Disagreements on the field happen all the time, but it's pretty rare when one results in a coach leaving the field with two of them for such a long time. It sounds like this issue had been brewing for some time and Singletary said it was not about football.

Singletary said the team will be better off now that the "elephant in the room has been exposed."

That quote makes us think the elephant will be hanging around for a while.

Raidermania12

09-01-2010, 01:14 PM

I wonder how many actual criminals have come in and gotten out since Burress got convicted of stupidity...
less than the amount who are probably getting screwed worse somewhere else in a much rougher cell. it sucks for him, but i doubt he's doing significantly hard time.

Sleet

09-01-2010, 01:24 PM

Lets see, jump w/o remorse on stupid Raider moves, but have sympothy for gun-toting and sister-sexing ganstas b/c they can play football? :eek: :confused:

Sleet

09-01-2010, 02:50 PM

Darn, I was hoping the tiff was about the Diva's clothing designs.

Locating the elephant in the 49ers locker room
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 1, 2010 5:43 PM ET

So what caused the confrontation between young 49ers stars Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree on Wednesday, forcing both to leave practice?

"Crabtree's attitude and perceived apathy toward training camp and exhibition season," was the reason, according to Matt Maiocco of Comcast Bay Area.

SI's Jim Trotter heard the same thing, tweeting that "players don't like Crabtree's ambivalence toward preseason & camp. love his talent, though."

Singletary didn't appreciate the way Davis delivered his message to Crabtree, but it sounds like he appreciated the thought. Apparently, Crabtree's disinterest has been the "elephant in the room" Singletary referred to at 49ers camp.

"[Davis] is one of the captains. He did the right thing, but he did it the wrong way. So that's all I'm going to say about that," Singletary said.

Crabtree was expected to suit up in last week's preseason game, but was a scratch at the last minute. Now we wonder if there was more to the story, and whether Crabtree milked his "neck" strain this month for all it was worth.

We think Crabtree has a great chance to be one of the best wide receivers in football for the next decade, but he's starting to earn that "diva" label stuck on him in pre-draft workouts.

DonkeyKilla

09-01-2010, 03:07 PM

man i sure hope one of our guys lights that diva up

Crow

09-01-2010, 03:11 PM

less than the amount who are probably getting screwed worse somewhere else in a much rougher cell. it sucks for him, but i doubt he's doing significantly hard time.

Not to say he's getting fucked over worse than other fuck-over victims, but he's definitely getting fucked.

He deserved to get kicked in the nuts for trying to be a fucking G, but I think that debt's more than been paid. They're trying to make an example out of him, and that's pretty fucking weak. Par for the course in this country, though.

RaiderDestiny

09-01-2010, 03:24 PM

Speaking of Burress, I'd be interested in taking a flyer on him when he is reinstated. Assuming he was still in some sort of football shape of course.

Madturk

09-01-2010, 03:25 PM

NY City has very strict laws regarding carrying firearms. They don't play around. It ain't Miss or Arkansas. He should have known better. No fucking excuses.

celticraider

09-01-2010, 06:06 PM

While I do like Murphy as a long term prospect and I like DHB's work ethic, our receiving situation is laughably bad. The only viable players we have that can catch a ball and scare a defense doing it are Miller and McFadden. It's strange not having a bonafide stud at wideout in Oakland.

celticraider

09-01-2010, 06:08 PM

NY City has very strict laws regarding carrying firearms. They don't play around. It ain't Miss or Arkansas. He should have known better. No fucking excuses.

Not to open this as a debate, but this is so true. I am one of the biggest 2nd amendment gun fanatics you will find, but I live in this area and I damn well know I have to leave the gun home. It's just reality, no matter how bad I believe my rights are being shit on, I like my freedom. NY/NJ don't play games when it comes to guns, how could you make such a stupid decision is beyond me.

celticraider

09-01-2010, 06:10 PM

And why do I think of DHB when I watch this clip?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azXcaxjFgF8&feature=aso

My favorite DHB moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYDsVY_J6Cc
:shakehead:

DonkeyKilla

09-01-2010, 06:13 PM

Guns kill people. JK- i'm not even going there.

WR- I think we are better off than most of you think. Yes we would be better with a vet on the roster, but DHB and Murphy need all the reps they can get and maybe we can build something special with those two. I really liked what i saw out of DHB in the niner game- he got OPEN and ran good routes. Yes he dropped a ball but he'll continue to get better- they both will. I think we got some good slot guys that can stick- Ford, Higgins, maybe miller.
and we have one of the best pass catching TEs in the game. Yes we are below average but let em play and let em grow. we aren't going to the SB, we are trying to get to respectability and grow this young team.

celticraider

09-01-2010, 06:17 PM

Guns kill people.

That's what I like about them ;)

WR- I think we are better off than most of you think. Yes we would be better with a vet on the roster, but DHB and Murphy need all the reps they can get and maybe we can build something special with those two. I really liked what i saw out of DHB in the niner game- he got OPEN and ran good routes. Yes he dropped a ball but he'll continue to get better- they both will. I think we got some good slot guys that can stick- Ford, Higgins, maybe miller.
and we have one of the best pass catching TEs in the game. Yes we are below average but let em play and let em grow. we aren't going to the SB, we are trying to get to respectability and grow this young team.

Oh I'm not saying we suck at the position for the future, we have some nice pieces. I'm saying we suck right now, and I'm sick of losing (as I'm sure the rest of you are, also). I'm not positive there is a true #1 in the bunch, but we have some nice looking athletes at the position that can turn into valuable assets.

Zach is a stud, no question. We need a guy who scares people, though. It doesn't have to be a blazing speedster to take it vertical, just a guy who can catch in traffic and consistently make things happen with the ball in his hands.

DonkeyKilla

09-01-2010, 06:18 PM

I don't think there is anyone worth bringing in to take time away from our young guys right now though. I also think both guys will surprise and be productive with legitimate QB play.

celticraider

09-01-2010, 06:31 PM

I don't think there is anyone worth bringing in to take time away from our young guys right now though. I also think both guys will surprise and be productive with legitimate QB play.

I hope you're right. I can't see any of them being productive in the situation they are currently in on offense right now. We have very little at the offensive line and QB positions.

DonkeyKilla

09-01-2010, 07:10 PM

Our offense has looked pretty productive so far in preaseason. TDs on opening drives against ones in the last two games. I disagree, you seem to think that JR is still on the team... Are we going to be the juggernaught bitch? no. However- i think we can be productive and move the chains and make some plays- especially if we can get settled at C and RG.

Sleet

09-02-2010, 07:20 AM

Mike has some baby-sitting to do.

Crabtree antics could implicate his "diva clause"
Posted by Mike Florio on September 2, 2010 5:58 AM ET

With 49ers players reportedly upset by receiver Michael Crabtree's "attitude and perceived apathy" toward training camp and the preseason, there are many reasons to keep an eye on how Crabtree conducts himself.

Actually, there are millions of reasons.

Crabtree's extended holdout in 2009 resulted in a contract that contains a "diva clause." Millions in base salary escalators are tied to full participation in all mandatory functions and 90 percent attendance in all voluntary activities.

Given the present concerns regarding Crabtree, it's reasonably safe to assume that the 49ers at a minimum have dusted off the 11-month-old contract and reviewed the precise language to determine whether any language would permit action to be taken -- or at least threatened -- in an effort to get Crabtree's attention.

Crow

09-02-2010, 07:45 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/02/rex-ryan-to-deangelo-hall-thats-why-my-brother-got-rid-of-your-ass/
5. When the Jets cut Laveranues Coles, Ryan strongly indicated they may bring him back after Week One. It's hard to tell if that was just Ryan feeling guilty or not. Ryan and the staff had a strong affection for Coles' leadership.

Exactly what this group of greenhorns needs.

Also...

Last night's Hard Knocks showed Ryan berating Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall after a late hit on LaDainian Tomlinson after a long run. Ryan tells Hall he should have made the play around the line of scrimmage.

"You aren't gonna tackle anybody!" Ryan said. "That's why my brother got rid of your ass!"

Laugh out fucking loud. I do love me some Rex Ryan. It's no wonder Billick denied Al permission to interview him.

Sleet

09-02-2010, 10:06 AM

Hope nobody trades for VJ. Love to see SD get nothing for him--certainly not a 2011 2nd and 2012 3rd.

The cost of Vincent Jackson
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 2, 2010 12:29 PM ET

First we heard the Chargers just wanted a second-round pick for Chargers wideout Vincent Jackson.

Then we heard from the San Diego Union-Tribune that the second-round pricetag was actually floated by the Seattle Seahawks as a test balloon.

Now we've got an answer in the middle that sounds just right. Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports reports that Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith has asked for a second-round pick in 2011 and a third-round pick in 2012 in exchange for Jackson.

Combine those draft picks and Jackson's disputed asking price on a new contract, and you can understand why there hasn't been a trade.

Silver thinks the Vikings should take the plunge by offering a conditional third-round pick and signing Jackson to a one-year deal. We agree with the logic, but it sounds like Minnesota already balked at Jackson's contract demands before acquiring Greg Camarillo.

Jackson has two days left until his trade value goes down and he's likely forced to miss six games this season instead of three. We'll wait and see if the soft September 4 deadline inspires any action, because it's been surprisingly quiet on the Jackson front this week.

TheMadStork

09-02-2010, 10:38 AM

Laugh out fucking loud. I do love me some Rex Ryan. It's no wonder Billick denied Al permission to interview him.

Ryan is brutally honest. That doesn't work well when dealing with Al. If you don't sugarcoat it when you disagree with him, you won't have much of a working relationship. Al/Ryan would have self-destructed even quicker than Al/Kiffin.

Cable might not be a great X's-'n-O's guy, but he's the perfect coach for this franchise in that he has managed to get Al to listen to him.

Postmaster

09-02-2010, 10:41 AM

Cowboys still may trade or cut Patrick Crayton
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 2, 2010 1:34 PM ET

There's been talk about the Cowboys trading wide receiver Patrick Crayton since the day Dallas drafted Dez Bryant, and it apparently won't go away until the Cowboys cut Crayton, keep him on the 53-man roster, or find a trading partner.

Tim MacMahon of ESPNDallas.com reports that the Cowboys are exploring the trade market for Crayton, and if they can't make a deal, there's a decent chance they'll cut him.

Crayton said in May that the Cowboys betrayed him and that he wanted to be released, but he later softened his stance, attended some voluntary workouts and promised not to be a complainer.

But with Miles Austin, Roy Williams and Dez Bryant all on the roster, there may not be any room for Crayton in Dallas. It's possible that he'll put on a Cowboys uniform for the last time tonight.

Sleet

09-02-2010, 10:44 AM

Wouldn't mind, at all, seing Crayton in Silver & Black returning punts and playing outside.

He would answer real quick the question of YF, JLH & Miller: None.

Crow

09-02-2010, 10:53 AM

DonkeyKilla

09-02-2010, 10:57 AM

Crayton to the Raiders makes sense as long as it's not cost prohibitive.

DonkeyKilla

09-02-2010, 10:57 AM

cost meaning picks not dollars.

Sleet

09-02-2010, 11:10 AM

Crayton to the Raiders makes sense as long as it's not cost prohibitive.

Don't know what it would cost, but an immediate upgrade at PR and WR. I'd overpay for that with Chaz's injury history.

DonkeyKilla

09-02-2010, 12:13 PM

Chaz is done. He might as well be Javon- time to move on. Go get Crayton and you have 3 WRs that can play and a real PR as well. Higgins has a big hairy vagina.
Ford can probably be a decent slot guy and maybe KR as well- maybe we'll know more after tonight. All the other WRS on our roster are GARBAGE.
Watkins, Figurs, etc. buh bye.

Madturk

09-02-2010, 12:50 PM

If they're entertaining the possibility of cutting him then I supect they'd entertain all reasonable offers. As alluded to he instantly upgrades the wr and return positions. Good solid player who'll get you 40-50 catches.

Sleet

09-02-2010, 01:02 PM

40-50 catches could lead our WR corp in receptions. :o

Sleet

09-02-2010, 01:08 PM

Is Crabtree related to Alvin Iverson? "Practice"? "Pre-season"?

Michael Crabtree's status for Thursday night remains uncertain
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 2, 2010 3:22 PM ET

We think we know this much: 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree will not say that a "neck strain" prevents him from playing in San Francisco's preseason finale Thursday.

That's the reason Crabtree gave when he missed San Francisco's second preseason game, even though the team declared him available. It's also the reason Crabtree didn't play in the team's third preseason game, even though the team announced that he would start.

For those scoring at home, Crabtree has never played in a preseason game. It's uncertain if that will change on Thursday night, one day after he was removed from the practice field after getting an earful from 49ers captain Vernon Davis.

Apparently, the unhappiness with Crabtree's act is not new. But one player told Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee there isn't team-wide resentment towards Crabtree. Still, there's something going on here.

Matt Maiocco of Comcast Bay Area writes that Crabtree seems to "play by different rules" than the rest of the roster. Alex Smith reportedly called a players only meeting of key skill position guys last week to "set some things straight with all of us to make sure we were all thinking the same thing."

This is the type of story that will blow over if the 49ers and especially Crabtree get off to a fast start this year. It's also the type of the story that could linger all year if the 49ers struggle and Crabtree continues to be a pain in the neck.

Postmaster

09-02-2010, 02:33 PM

BorsilliReports saying that the #Seahawks are shopping TJ Houshmanzadeh.. I know he has a big contract but the #Raiders need this guy

hawaiianboy

09-02-2010, 02:36 PM

TJ has a connection to Hue, but I don't see Al giving up anything to get TJ when he'd have to pay him that $7M he's owed this year... Be a good get though...

Deadbolt

09-02-2010, 02:37 PM

Maaan fuck a Patrick Crayton. Much rather have Housh. That needs to get done.

Postmaster

09-02-2010, 02:37 PM

T.J. Houshmandzadeh is on the block
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 2, 2010 5:28 PM ET

If trying to trade Michael Clayton was Mission Impossible, consider a possible trade of T.J. Houshmandzadeh its bloated sequel.

NFL Network's Jason La Canfora reports that Seattle is trying to move Houshmandzadeh. He also points out that a trade is very unlikely because of Housh's contract, which contains $7 million guaranteed this season.

Yes, the Vikings were interested in Houshmandzadeh a year ago. But they drafted Percy Harvin to play the slot and recent acquisition Greg Camarillo is a similar-style player to Housh at a fraction of the price and drama. (Some would argue Camarillo's skill-level is similar now too.)

We highly doubt the Seahawks could find any takers for Houshmandzadeh. The question, then: Could the Seahawks simply eat his salary?

The Seahawks seem oddly determined to keep Deion Branch, but he and Housh are only taking snaps away from young talents Golden Tate, Deon Butler, and Mike Williams.

We asked whether Housh could be cut on Twitter a few weeks back and ESPN's Mike Sando thought there was at least a chance.

That chance, which seemed rather small, appears to be growing.

doug7dust

09-02-2010, 02:43 PM

al dont care about trading picks and money and all that shit he wants to win, he traded our first rounder this coming season for seymour because he wants to win. this is a move i think they will seriously consider... we need a vet

Raidervinny

09-02-2010, 02:45 PM

Borsilli

Championship!

doug7dust

09-02-2010, 02:46 PM

TJ hoeshamazoad

Raidermania12

09-02-2010, 02:49 PM

I'm not sold on housh as a #1 wr, though he is very exceptional. Just don't know if he's 7 million worth good. Also us trading for him makes the vj trade more likely. Which is ok I guess.

Madturk

09-02-2010, 02:50 PM

That 7mill guaranteed is an albatross. They can't expect much in return with that price tag. If we're going to spend that kind of loot, I'd rather give it to someone like Logan Mankins. I see Housh as a one year rental type player anyway. Seriously, is Housh going to give us anything near 90-100 catches 1,000+ yds? I seriously doubt it. Crayton's a much cheaper alternative and he'll shore up our return game.

Raidermania12

09-02-2010, 03:04 PM

CrossBones

09-02-2010, 03:05 PM

Seattle >>> whiff. :pound:

Plus not many round these parts knew what an asshole Whosyourmamma was. Well he is and fuck him and the horse he rode in on. I'd rather have had Owens.

Sleet

09-02-2010, 03:15 PM

Championship!

:pound:

Fantasy, but funny.

Sleet

09-02-2010, 03:16 PM

hawaiianboy

09-02-2010, 03:29 PM

Rupert

09-02-2010, 03:32 PM

Actually I think housh can easily in the right offense put up those numbers. Question is are we the right offense. He looked less dangerous in the wco, maybe coming back to a pro style non-wco gets the bengals tj back. Not sure if it can, but outside of his paycheck he'd be worth it.

Careful, you'll agitate some people around here with that denigration of the WCO.

ON another subject, it's interesting how much our passing game looks like what Kid Kiffin was trying to install, and what Pete Carroll has installed in Seattle, especially when Gradkowski runs it.

Crow

09-02-2010, 03:48 PM

Sleet

09-02-2010, 03:55 PM

I dunno... Crayton would bump the return game but seems better suited to being a slot receiver... TJ can play either outside receiving spot which would allow Murphy to move inside as a slot when we go 3 wide, where he seems to do a lot of damage... Plus TJ is probably one of the best blocking receivers in the league and always seems to rank near the top of the league in fewest dropped passes...

Both could certainly help, but outside of TJ's salary, I'd probably take him over Crayton...

Both 7th rounds picks oddly (2001 Housh) (2004 Crayton).

I view Housh as more of a slot/possession WR: 80/920 potential (11.25 ypc)

I view Clayton as more of an PR/outside WR: 40/650 potentil (16.25 ypc)

The reason I prefer Clayton is b/c (a) I view Murph as better in the slot (I think we agree there), (b) I'm tired of seeing us suck in PR, and (c) I wonder whether an older Housh would fit in the scheme, or would require a change in scheme. We don't throw the underneath stuff that he makes a living on.

But, as far as who's better, head-to-head, most would agree, Housh, thus his $7 million. I just don't see Al picking up the tab for a 11.25 ypc WR.

RF34

09-02-2010, 04:46 PM

Sorry, I been babysittin' grandsons away from the computer....did someone post "let's get TJ or Crayton!!!!":beerbang:

DonkeyKilla

09-02-2010, 04:53 PM

as long as we don't give up much 6th or later for either. TJ would need to re-negoiate his deal ii don't know about crayton.

Raidervinny

09-02-2010, 04:55 PM

:pound:

Fantasy, but funny.

That is still my wife's favorite commercial.

hawaiianboy

09-02-2010, 10:36 PM

Patrick Crayton's agent will ask for client's release

Posted at 11:59 PM on Thu., Sep. 2, 2010
Todd Archer / Reporter

With the writing on the wall, the agent for wide receiver Patrick Crayton will ask the Cowboys to release his client before the 5 p.m. deadline on Saturday to set the 53-man roster.

"It seems he doesn't figure in their plans so it's not logical to be on the roster until Saturday," Fred Lyles said. "We don't see the use in prolonging it."

Owner and general manager Jerry Jones would not go into specifics over the team's upcoming decision making, but Crayton's $2 million price tag appears to be too large for him to be kept as a No. 4 or 5 wide receiver.

The Cowboys could wait on a decision involving Crayton with the hope another team could make some sort of trade offer, however unlikely that seems. Lyles would like Crayton to be free as soon as possible so he can find him a new employer as soon as possible.

Postmaster

09-02-2010, 10:54 PM

PaulHGutierrezI asked #Raiders DHB if he would have made that beauty sideline catch last season. "Yeah, in my dreams." Then, he laughed.

Sleet

09-02-2010, 10:57 PM

DHB, good for you. Love it.

If Miller doesn't make the team over YF and JLH, then Al's back.

Sleet

09-03-2010, 06:36 AM

Wouldn't be happy if KC got Clayton given are pathetic PR game and interest in YF.

Patrick Crayton doesn't want to wait for release
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 3, 2010 9:19 AM ET

Cowboys wide receiver Patrick Crayton wants to jump before he gets pushed off the Dallas roster, seven seasons after he first made the team as a seventh-round pick.

"It seems he doesn't figure in their plans so it's not logical to be on the roster until Saturday," Crayton's agent Fred Lyles told the Dallas Morning News. "We don't see the use in prolonging it."

Lyles position makes sense, the Cowboys' decision to let go of Crayton does not.

Anyone close to the Cowboys, right up to the team's starting quarterback, knows Crayton is more valuable to the team than Roy Williams. And he makes less money. But the Cowboys can't admit a past mistake, so they have decided to make another by letting a useful role player go. (It's a different story if the Cowboys can get something for him a trade.)

Crayton is one of the few players that will get dropped this week that can help another team right away. Kansas City, where Todd Haley could use a third receiver, makes a lot of sense.

Madturk

09-03-2010, 06:45 AM

C'mon Al, call your boy. Give em a conditional 6th or 7th and let's call it a day.

DonkeyKilla

09-03-2010, 08:09 AM

do doubt. We still have 3 major holes- KR/WR, RB, and RG. I don't know there will be a RG worth getting but Crayton absolutely fills a need and there are RB options out there or coming soon.

Sabers

09-03-2010, 08:39 AM

Seattle may be looking to move T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Thoughts?

LINK (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2012795762_hawk03.html)

G.

DonkeyKilla

09-03-2010, 08:40 AM

i don't trade picks to take on that salary. i'd go with Crayton personally.

Diceq

09-03-2010, 09:01 AM

If TJ gets waived...i'd call him

TheMadStork

09-03-2010, 09:05 AM

Hard to go wrong with either TJ or Crayton. I'd rather have a healthy Schilens, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime this millennium.

Madturk

09-03-2010, 09:12 AM

It's really hard to fathom that they'd let TJ go for nothing but that price tag is too prohibitive. He's averaged 87 catches and nearly 1000 yards the past 6 seasons and quietly had a solid year last season for the Slugs. I can see him winding up somewhere like Minn

gannoncannon

09-03-2010, 09:46 AM

Trade for/pick up Crayton.

Helps us and cock-blocks Kansas City.

gannoncannon

09-03-2010, 09:47 AM

Madturk

09-03-2010, 09:52 AM

I wonder if TJ's age is becoming an issue. Maybe they've noticed that he's lost more than a couple steps.

Not like he had an off season last year. Maybe just fell out of favor with Carroll and/or they're looking to trim some payroll.

raiderfreak7

09-03-2010, 10:23 AM

It wasn't that long ago that Alvis Whitted started week one....

Sleet

09-03-2010, 10:23 AM

Not like he had an off season last year. Maybe just fell out of favor with Carroll and/or they're looking to trim some payroll.

Housh averages 11.5 ypc. That's not a lot. Housh's age, too, is not where Pete's going. He wants to get his younger kids on the field.

hawaiianboy

09-03-2010, 12:33 PM

I bet it's to KC...

JasonLaCanfora Hearing the Cowboys moving close to trading WR Patrick Crayton. Wouldn't be surprised if something is finalized shortly

Langlier

09-03-2010, 12:34 PM

It wasn't that long ago that Alvis Whitted started week one....

thats a painful memory.

BigTron

09-03-2010, 12:40 PM

Crayton is a very reliable wr. Never got a fair shake in Dallas

TheMadStork

09-03-2010, 12:48 PM

Crayton is a very reliable wr. Never got a fair shake in Dallas

I know a few Cowboys fans who say if it was up to them, they'd keep Crayton and cut Roy Williams.

hawaiianboy

09-03-2010, 12:54 PM

The Bolts... :(

Filed to ESPN: Dallas traded WR Patrick Crayton to San Diego. Chargers get another receiver that they could use

Langlier

09-03-2010, 12:55 PM

The Bolts... :(

that sucks the big donkey d.

though it likely means that VJ is on his way out... and I'd much rather face Crayton then VJ

DonkeyKilla

09-03-2010, 01:00 PM

damnit. I drafted Malcom Floyd last night figuring he would be the man. Why couldn't we make a move for Crayton? i don't get it...
glad i didn't draft Vincent Jackson though.

TheMadStork

09-03-2010, 01:07 PM

The Bolts... :(

There's only one way to feel better about this.

Repeat George Carlin's 7 Words You Can't Say on Television at least 10 times...

Langlier

09-03-2010, 01:16 PM

damnit. I drafted Malcom Floyd last night figuring he would be the man. Why couldn't we make a move for Crayton? i don't get it...
glad i didn't draft Vincent Jackson though.

I did because I feel he'll get moved - and I got him late enough that it doesn't matter if he doesnt contribute.

system7

09-03-2010, 03:00 PM

only a 7th? that's a fucking steal for the dolts. Why couldn't we do something like that?

BigTron

09-03-2010, 03:06 PM

great move by AJ Smith

gannoncannon

09-03-2010, 03:10 PM

Considering Al and Jerry's relationship, it seems like we shoulda been able to swing this trade.

Then again, maybe Al only wants to run with his young WRs. In which case, :shakehead:

BigTron

09-03-2010, 03:18 PM

Crayton is 31 with not much deep speed. Al woudlnt be interested i guess.

hawaiianboy

09-03-2010, 03:20 PM

I'm very confident that we'll be in play when T.J. Houshmandzadeh gets released this weekend... He credits Hue with giving him the chance to show what he could do in Cincy and he would be more familiar with what Hue wants to do than Crayton would have been...

Sources: Houshmandzadeh on way out

By Adam Schefter
ESPN
Archive

Pending moves at the receiver position in Seattle will create reverbations around the NFL.

The Seattle Seahawks will cut ties with T.J. Houshmandzadeh by trading or releasing him, according to two league sources, and it will promote former Detroit first-round draft pick Mike Williams into its starting lineup for a Sept. 12 game against San Francisco.

The 32-year-old Houshmanzadeh caught 79 passes last season and will be a bargain for another team this season.

His Seahawks contract includes offset language that makes Seattle liable to pay Houshmanzadeh whatever his new team doesn't.

So if Houshmanzadeh were to sign a veteran minimum deal of $850,000, the Seahawks would be liable for the remaining $6.15 million balance.

Seattle signed Houshmanzadeh to a five-year, $40 million contract last offseason, and Seattle will wind up having paid him $15 million for his one season with the Seahawks.

fatdog

09-03-2010, 03:23 PM

I'm very confident that we'll be in play when T.J. Houshmandzadeh gets released this weekend... He credits Hue with giving him the chance to show what he could do in Cincy and he would be more familiar with what Hue wants to do than Crayton would have been...

At a lower price I hope. I can't believe that they are going to go with big Mike Williams over TJ.

Sleet

09-03-2010, 03:25 PM

I forgot about Hue's connection to Housh (Championship) menzatta.

Raider Bill

09-03-2010, 03:33 PM

Championship!

Raidermania12

09-03-2010, 03:36 PM

Crayton is 31 with not much deep speed. Al woudlnt be interested i guess.

Actually he's still very good deep. Just not very consistent as a trustworthy option and definitely not a physical WR threat at all..

If the chargers getting him means we never have to deal with the one WR that gave Asomugha a challenge anymore as a charger(i dont see any of the others doing so), then cool.

hawaiianboy

09-03-2010, 03:37 PM

Well we know Hue definitely has Al's ear... TJ may not be a deep threat, but he a tough move the chains kind of receiver to go with Zach while Bey and Murphy work deeper... and the fact that he would only cost the vet's minimum would have to appeal to Al...

He started only six games total his first three seasons in Cincinnati. He was injured, true, but Cincinnati had already invested a boatload of money in Peter Warrick, the No. 4 overall pick one year before picking Houshmandzadeh, and Warrick got the bulk of the time from 2001 to 2003.

"To me, that's like coaches not wanting to win," Houshmandzadeh said without naming other players. "Because you know I'm better than this guy, just because he was the first-round pick and I was seventh round ... I had a problem with that, and I let 'em know I had a problem with that, and that's why I didn't play as much as I should have."

When Hue Jackson arrived in 2004 to coach Cincinnati's wide receivers, he offered a blank slate and the unequivocal promise he would adhere to the revolutionary concept of playing the best players.

"T.J. is not very trusting of men," Jackson said. "I think that our relationship grew because I said what I meant and I meant what I said.

"I was going to play the best players."

Houshmandzadeh established himself as one of those. He has caught more than 70 passes in each of the past five seasons. He has caught 90 or more in each of the past three.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2009081461_hawk19.html

fatdog

09-03-2010, 03:37 PM

Are there any other Hue jackson players out there? O-lineman that could come in and start day 1?

Raidermania12

09-03-2010, 03:39 PM

Crayton is a very reliable wr. Never got a fair shake in Dallas

Nah, explosive at times, fast, agile. But reliable is not his thing. If it were they woulda stopped nabbing WR's at Austin. Bryant was grabbed to improve the WR position, and be the trustworthy guy Crayton and Williams could both not be. One of them was for sure gone, Crayton is less dependable as a possession WR and easier to trade.