Update: Lakers in 7

[CrossBones]

:D

[BigPoppaPump]

That would require there to be a game 7...that isn't happening. :nono:

[SilvernBlack]

I think there will be a game 7 but Bones you got it backwards Celtics in 7.

[CrossBones]

So lemme get this straight. You think the Boston team would be the Lakers in LA in a game 7?

OK. :banghead:

[Armyr8rfan]

Bynum's hurt, Odum is'nt playing well, Gasol chocking, Artest flat out sucks for whatever reason.....not looking good man.

[Black Sunday]

Update: Boston in 6....LA, sucks!!!!

[CrossBones]

Just googled the score, and had to chuckle...Lakers by 20.

[TheNextStep]

HELL FUCK YES!

What were you saying about Boston playing better D? 67 points?

[SoCalRaider]

I'm actually kinda surprised the Celtics / refs were able to stretch this to 7 games.... but this is exactly what the NBA wanted....

It'll be real interesting to see if the Celtics / refs can make game 7 competitive.... Somebody really needs to light it up like Allen did in game 2 for the C's to keep it close in my opinion.........

[Armyr8rfan]

Did'nt see that coming....Great series though.....Kobe may go down as top five all time, the man is simply an ice cold killer....I still can't believe the Hornets (My NBA Team) traded him away after drafting him...

[Raider Bill]

Just googled the score, and had to chuckle...Lakers by 20.

Who cares? The NBA is terrible.

If Boston wins, I'll have a laugh if LA wins I'll continue not caring about the worst of the 4 major sports.

[CrossBones]

Who cares? The NBA is terrible.

If Boston wins, I'll have a laugh if LA wins I'll continue not caring about the worst of the 4 major sports.Oh shut up. :D

[sportzfan76]

Rondo needs to step it up for real if the Celtics want to have any chance in game 7.

[SoCalRaider]

It looks like he's playing on a pair of bad knees (tendonitis?).... and has lost all his confidence in his outside shot....It also doesn't help that the Lakers have put Kobe on him... and it looks like Kobe's length has really gotten to Rondo....

[RaiderRobert]

Who cares? The NBA is terrible.

If Boston wins, I'll have a laugh if LA wins I'll continue not caring about the worst of the 4 major sports.

Come on dude, Baseball? Better than Basketball? Not a chance. And what would be 4th? I count only 3 major sports. Football, Basketball, Baseball, and...

[Raider Bill]

Are you kidding me?

The NBA is a bunch of mutts with a few good players sprinkled in.

Baseball is better, and hockey is way better than the NBA

[hawaiianboy]

We need a pee on grumpy grandpa Bill avatar...

[RaiderRobert]

Are you kidding me?

The NBA is a bunch of mutts with a few good players sprinkled in.

Baseball is better, and hockey is way better than the NBA

Baseball is a total yawner. And has WAY more no talent, no name, stiffs with a few stars than Basketball. Hockey? Dumbest sport this side of Curling. I'd rather watch Golf. Or soccer. Or NASCAR...

[Raidermania12]

Are you kidding me?

The NBA is a bunch of mutts with a few good players sprinkled in.

Baseball is better, and hockey is way better than the NBA

Basketball is a pussy boots kiss ass mess, but its still better to watch than baseball and hockey for a full game.

[TheNextStep]

Who cares? The NBA is terrible.

If Boston wins, I'll have a laugh if LA wins I'll continue not caring about the worst of the 4 major sports.

Bill, if you ever pass through Omaha, it would be my pleasure to buy you a beer and sit back and bullshit about the Raiders... but where I come from what's bolded above is called "being a dick."

[Postmaster]

SI_JimTrotterwagers on this game are everywhere. raiders cornerback nnamdi asomugha, a HUGE lakers fan, has bet with coach tom cable, who has boston. ...
re: raiders -- loser has 2 take the team our 4 bowling and dinner during training camp. we know nnamdi can afford it, not sure abt cable lol

[CrossBones]

Bowling? Good grief. :o

[hawaiianboy]

This game's in the refrigerator! The door's closed, the lights are out, the eggs are cooling, the butter's getting hard, and the Jell-O is jiggling!!!

http://www.forumblueandgold.com/wp-content/chickfri.jpg


http://www.wctrib.com/media/full/jpg/2009/06/15/20090615finalslakerswin.jpg

[CrossBones]

Oh my!

Boring game. :p

[TheNextStep]

It's wierd.... I tried to google score and all that came up was "Suck it, bill!"

[CrossBones]

It's wierd.... I tried to google score and all that came up was "Suck it, bill!"Google has been down all night Stepper. I blame it on the iPhone 4.... :^

[DarkDays]

What a great game 7 I hate everything Boston so glad those cocksuckers got sent packing.
La beat them at their own game, priceless.

[hawaiianboy]

"I would like to thank the boys from my hood and my psychiatrist." Ron Artest :pound:

Al should bring this dude into camp as a TE...




I heard some Laker fans celebrated the victory by tipping over BigPoppaPump's turquoise Prius...

[TheNextStep]

I was talking to a friend of mine earlier in the series and he was talking about Artest. I said, "I always feel like Ron Artest is going to be the guy to step up and break the game open... but at no point am I ever sure which team it will be for."

Well, dude stepped up HUGE tonight. If they had a "Game 7 MVP" trophy, Artest is the guy I'd give it to. Cat played his ass off!

This is the first year that I let my son watch games with me. Up until now, I'd only let him watch until halftime because the games are so late. I told him on Tuesday, "If the Lakers win tonight, I promise that you can stay up and watch all of game 7 with me." I had a blast - and even a teaching moment. When we were down 13, he was saying, "we're toast." When we rallied, I got to do the whole "When you give up, only bad things happen. When you keep working hard, you have a chance to do something great" speech.

GO LAKERS!

[Madturk]

Yawn, that had to be one of the worst played 7th games I've ever seen. :shakehead: Anyone who doesn't think that a deciding 7th game NHL playoff game isn't more exciting than that, needs to crawl out from under their rock.:p

[boknowsvt]

Yawn, that had to be one of the worst played 7th games I've ever seen. :shakehead: Anyone who doesn't think that a deciding 7th game NHL playoff game isn't more exciting than that, needs to crawl out from under their rock.:p

I'd actually take it a few steps further and argue that a mid January game between the Predators and Coyotes would have been more exciting than this game 7.

[CrossBones]

Yawn, that had to be one of the worst played 7th games I've ever seen. :shakehead: Anyone who doesn't think that a deciding 7th game NHL playoff game isn't more exciting than that, needs to crawl out from under their rock.:p

I'd actually take it a few steps further and argue that a mid January game between the Predators and Coyotes would have been more exciting than this game 7.Oh you two settle down. :ass:

[Raider Bill]

. Hockey? Dumbest sport this side of Curling. ...

When exactly did you realize you were a homo?

[Madturk]

The worst part today was having to hear Rome ball washing the Lakers during his entire broadcast.

[hawaiianboy]

Just like last year, you could have stuffed some tampons in your ears if you didn't want to hear about the greatness of the back to back NBA Champions of the world... You should make sure they are unused this time around though... Dumbass...

[TheNextStep]

Hockey is, hands down, the most exciting of the 4 major sports to watch.... live. On television, it sucks.

And anyone who can look at a game that featured strong defense from both teams, refs who "let them play," a comeback from a 13 point deficit, and where the outcome is in doubt pretty much until the end and "that was boring".... well, I don't know what to tell you. That was not a prettiest game ever played... but it was a GREAT game.

[RaiderRobert]

When exactly did you realize you were a homo?

:shakehead:

[Postmaster]

Bowling and dinner is on Tom Cable
June, 18, 2010

By Bill Williamson
The Oakland Raiders are going to receive a nice reprieve courtesy of coach Tom Cable at some point during training camp.

Cable will splurge for a team dinner and night of bowling because the Los Angeles Lakers beat the Boston Celtics in the NBA Finals. The Lakers clinched the series victory in Game 7 on Thursday night.

In May, Oakland star left cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha approached Cable about a bet if the Lakers and Celtics met in the Finals. Asomugha, who grew up in Los Angeles, is a longtime Lakers fan. Cable is a dedicated Celtics fan.

“The bet was my idea but what we wagered was Coach Cable’s idea,” Asomugha explained in an email interview Friday. “I knew how much he was a die-hard Celtics [fan] and he knows how much I was a die-hard Lakers fan. Once the playoffs started I proposed that if Lakers ended up playing the Celtics during the finals we needed to make it interesting. And he named the bet. The loser takes the entire team out to dinner and bowling during camp. Robert Gallery was our witness.”

Asomugha went to all four of the Finals games in Los Angeles. He wrote that he and Cable have corresponded via text on Friday.

“He was a really good sport about it and we had a couple of laughs,” Asomugha wrote.

Asomugha wrote his teammates are fired up about the payoff.

“Everyone that I’ve spoken to is excited,” Asomugha wrote. “It will be a good break from the hard work of training camp.”

I really like this idea. One of Cable’s strong points as a coach is his relationship with his players. He received a lot of support from the team earlier this offseason when the Raiders were deciding whether to bring him back.

The dinner and bowling night will build team unity and build chemistry during the dog days of camp. Sure, Cable is going to have to break out his wallet, but the payoff will be well worth the price tag.

[Raider Bill]

Hockey is, hands down, the most exciting of the 4 major sports to watch.... live. On television, it sucks..

I disagree.. hockey is better if you have center ice seats.. if you're jammed way up in a corner it's better on television


And anyone who can look at a game that featured strong defense from both teams, refs who "let them play,"

Is calling 44 fouls is letting them play? I have no idea since I really dont follow the NBA.

[Raider Bill]

The worst part today was having to hear Rome ball washing the Lakers during his entire broadcast.

They were saying on the radio here that Kobe > Jordan... that's just silly talk.


Jordan went to the bad team and made it better.... Kobe bitched and moaned and pulled an Elway/Eli

[SoCalRaider]

Kobe bitched and moaned and

You and Kobe sure have a lot in common......

[Limee]

Good post Bones, can't believe some Laker fans who are prone to exaggeration had us winning it in 5. :rolleyes:

Still it was in the wrong forum, dumbass. :nono:

The last four Boston championships have all been followed up by the Lakers winning it the next year and the last twice Boston has won the Lakers have won the next 2.

[CrossBones]

Still it was in the wrong forum, dumbass. :nono:

Wanted to be sure people like HBoy got to read the thread. Putting it in a sub forum would have been a little much for the electronically challenged bunch round here.

[Madturk]

I'm ready to shut this thread down or move it:mad:

[SoCalRaider]

Wanted to be sure people like HBoy got to read the thread. Putting it in a sub forum would have been a little much for the electronically challenged bunch round here.

Lead piping the subforums altogether would prolly solve your problem....... but then again, that might be a bit much for the administratively challenged. :D

[TheNextStep]

Jordan went to the bad team and made it better.... Kobe bitched and moaned and pulled an Elway/Eli

First, Jordan didn't do shit until he had Phil Jackson and Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant along with him, so let's stop with the notion that Jordan singlehandedly did a thing. Second, that's about the dumbest comparison you can make for Kobe, given that he's only played for one team in his entire career.

[TheNextStep]

I'm ready to shut this thread down or move it:mad:
Why? Is it that much effort to not click on it?

[Raider Bill]

. , given that he's only played for one team in his entire career.

But not the team that drafted him........friggin crybaby.

[TheNextStep]

Blame that on the stupidity of the team that drafted him, not Kobe. Kobe Bryant didn't piss and moan about it... the Lakers just made an offer of trade, which was accepted. That's on ownership and management, not Bryant.

Seems like you care a lot more than you let on, Bill. How about those back to back champion Lakers, huh?

[Madturk]

There are a handful of all time great players including Kobe but Jordan was in another sratosphere, not even close.

[TheNextStep]

Who here has said otherwise, turk?

[Raider Bill]

Bryant foreshadowed his gall. In 1996, Bryant, a teenager exiting high school for the N.B.A., was not the first pick, but he exuded self-importance when he refused to play anywhere but Hollywood.


“That is an impossibility,” Bryant’s agent, Arn Tellem, said at the time. “There are no ifs. It would not happen. He is going to be a Laker, and that’s the only team he’s playing for.”

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/sports/29roberts.html?_r=1

[RaiderIVlife]

Look, I don't have a dog in this Kobe/Jordan fight, since I hated the Bulls and Lakers for years.

My opinion is that Kobe is absolutely in the same category as Jordan. This revisionist history that Jordan did everything singlehandidly is not correct.

As someone else pointed out, he had pieces around him too. Shit, any great player that ever won a Championship had help.

I have really come around to the poi

[Raider Bill]

Scott Williams and Bill Cartwright vs Shaq? Those pieces are close :rolleyes:


Kobe got to play with Shaq for nearly a decade. What would happen if you paired Jordan with Olajuwon for a decade? Think about it, take a second.

[RaiderIVlife]

...Oops. Friggin Blackberry's....

I've come to admire Bryant for his work ethic, passion and flat out ability to play and win.

The Lakers are good, but Bryant wils this team to victory. And not just by scoring points.

I know his shooting percentage was shit in game 7, but this dude was still huge. Rebounding, hitting his 'throws and playing some nails D.

BTW, everyone shot shitty in that game. Big stakes and great defensive hustle on both sides equate to low shooting percentages.

I was at a bar in Eagle Rock and it was an exciting game IMO.

I actually appreciated that more than a 120-116 fame in some ways.

Call me strange.

[TheNextStep]

Scott Williams and Bill Cartwright vs Shaq? Those pieces are close :rolleyes:


Kobe got to play with Shaq for nearly a decade. What would happen if you paired Jordan with Olajuwon for a decade? Think about it, take a second.

Right... and Kobe won this most recent championship with only Jordan Farman and Shannon Brown around him. Versus Scottie Pippen for Jordan.

Your comparisons are so utterly ridiculous that I don't even believe that you're arguing them. You are, once again, just being a dick.

[RaiderIVlife]

Remember that Kobe came straight to the NBA whilst Jordan went to college.

It took Bryant about 4 years to actually become a true proffesional.

Think about that for second.

Jordan did have Bill Cartwright and a younger John Salley to come in with length and decent play. Rodman could muscle guys up too.

Jordan had help. Plenty of help. Scottie Pippen was a vastly better player than Lamar Odom too.

[wyoraiders]

Are you guys forgetting Pau Gasol? Jordan never had an inside post threat like that....Cartwright, Wennington, Levingston were all spot up shooters, Rodman had no game other than putbacks, and Horace Grant was a garbage man too.

Think about it...Kobe's had 2 guys to dump the ball to down low (Shaq and Pau) who demand an immediate double team, opening up the floor. Jordan never had that.

Kobe wasn't even the best player on his team for the first 3 titles, and trails Jordan 2-6 in Finals MVP's, as well as regular season MVP's 1-5.

Although Kobe is undeniably a great player, there is no comparison in my mind...

[wyoraiders]

Remember that Kobe came straight to the NBA whilst Jordan went to college.

It took Bryant about 4 years to actually become a true proffesional.

Think about that for second.

Jordan did have Bill Cartwright and a younger John Salley to come in with length and decent play. Rodman could muscle guys up too.

Jordan had help. Plenty of help. Scottie Pippen was a vastly better player than Lamar Odom too.

John Salley? He played 1 season for the Bulls in his 10th year!

[RaiderIVlife]

OK, you're right, the point was that Jordan had solid complentary players around him and you are not giving Horace Grant enough due. Garbage man though he may have been.

BTW, Bryant has willed Gasol to become a better player. Pau was soft and although he does occeasionally revert to PauGaSoft, he has toughed up because of Bryant IMO.

[RaiderIVlife]

Wow, how shocking that an 18 year old kid with God Give Ubber talent might be a bit of proma dona.

I'm sure ALL of us in that situation would simply suck it up and be an adult and go play for freakin' Charlotte.

That article is rediculous. Geez.

[wyoraiders]

OK, you're right, the point was that Jordan had solid complentary players around him and you are not giving Horace Grant enough due. Garbage man though he may have been.

BTW, Bryant has willed Gasol to become a better player. Pau was soft and although he does occeasionally revert to PauGaSoft, he has toughed up because of Bryant IMO.

I think the point here is that no matter how great the player, it takes a team to win a title...just ask Wilt Chamberlain or Lebron James.

Jordan obviously had talent around him, as does Kobe. And I do agree that Bryant has made strides at being a better teammate...pushing Gasol and others, which I give him props for.

But in the end, Jordan > Bryant.

[RaiderIVlife]

Fair enough.

I'm not even arguing that Bryant is better Jordan. I'm simply saying that they belong in the same conversation. Along with Magic and Bird.

I think people dislike Bryant out of envy. JMO.

[Raider Bill]

Wow, how shocking that an 18 year old kid with God Give Ubber talent might be a bit of proma dona.

I'm sure ALL of us in that situation would simply suck it up and be an adult and go play for freakin' Charlotte.

That article is rediculous. Geez.

He pulled an "Elway" the article bears that out.

[RaiderIVlife]

And so what? Really?

He was an 18 year old in a unique position.

I applaud the guy for knowing what he wanted at such a young age and having the ability to achieve it.

Shrug.

[CrossBones]

He pulled an "Elway" the article bears that out.For a guy who never watches the NBA you sure know a lot about it Bill.

Arguing for arguments sake? OK :devil:

Agree RIVL...Kobe might not be as good or better than Jordan but he sure belongs in the discussion. Another argument that will rage forever.

[SoCalRaider]

I think it's a bit early to compare Kobe with any retired player (Jordan, Magic, etc) mostly because nobody knows how much basketball Kobe has left in him. What if Kobe plays another 5 years and wins 10 titles? Not saying it's gonna happen, but I'd rather wait and see how Kobe does on the backside of his career.... One thing that he has over both Magic and Jordan is he has better range on his jumper which tends to help guys on the backside of their careers.... Kobe winning this title now puts him in the conversation with guys like Jordan and Magic...

The only comparison I care about right now is:

Kobe - 5
Shaq - 4

Most Laker fans will appreciate that.....

[TheNextStep]

Yeah, but I do give the Diesel some props. One of the sports radio stations said that after the finals, Shaq put something on twitter that congratulated Kobe and said, "I know what you're saying: Shaq, tell me how my ass tastes."

[wyoraiders]

Kobe never did this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anEHeVYAtCc&feature=related

[Limee]

it takes a team to win a title.

That is the absolute truth.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/693338/kobe-alley-oop-to-gasol-o.gif

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/741767/fishers-3-o.gif

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/733436/ron-artest-kisses-o.gif

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/741558/kobe-s-celebration-game-7-o.gif

[Raider Bill]

For a guy who never watches the NBA you sure know a lot about it Bill.

.

Kobe Bryant is from a suburb of Philly.. .there was a news update on sports radio every time he farted his senior year of HS.

[Raider Bill]

And so what? Really?

He was an 18 year old in a unique position.

I applaud the guy for knowing what he wanted at such a young age and having the ability to achieve it.

Shrug.

Jordan didn't angle to go to a better team. And still won all those rings as THE GUY.. Bryant played 2nd fiddle for 3 of them.

Cripes almighty he had the most dominant big man in the league for nearly a decade...

Jordan had Luke Longley and Cartright and Scott Williams

[TheNextStep]

Jordan didn't angle to go to a better team. And still won all those rings as THE GUY.. Bryant played 2nd fiddle for 3 of them.

Cripes almighty he had the most dominant big man in the league for nearly a decade...

Jordan had Luke Longley and Cartright and Scott Williams

And Jordan had Pippen who, last I checked, was voted one of the top 50 NBA players of all time. Yeah... Jordan was a real lone ranger for those Chicago teams...:rolleyes:

[007]

I think we can all come to an agreement that:

A) Kobe can suck a dick;

B) The Lakers can suck a dick;

Amirite?

;)

[TheNextStep]

That's the Celtics you're thinking of. After being up 13 in the 3rd quarter of game 7, it's not like it would be the first thing they choked on.

[Raider Bill]

The difference is this: Shaq was finals MVP for the first three of Kobe's rings, and there's a strong case to be made that Gasol deserves one or both of Kobe's finals MVP awards.

Conversely, there was never any question, in any of the finals appearances that Jordan made, who deserved to win finals MVP. His six of those are as legit as they come.

[TheNextStep]

The difference is this: Shaq was finals MVP for the first three of Kobe's rings, and there's a strong case to be made that Gasol deserves one or both of Kobe's finals MVP awards.

Conversely, there was never any question, in any of the finals appearances that Jordan made, who deserved to win finals MVP. His six of those are as legit as they come.

For starters, I never said that Kobe was better than Jordan.

Having said that, however, I would LOVE to hear that "strong argument" that Gasol deserves one or both of Kobe's finals MVP awards.

From the guy who didn't watch any of it, of course.

[Limee]

So just where does Jackson with 11 titles in 19 years stand amongst the all time great coaches?

[boknowsvt]

JaMarcus Russell sucks.

Sorry, nobody's said it for a while.

[CrossBones]

JaMarcus Russell sucks.

Sorry, nobody's said it for a while.Well yeah.

And besides that Bill was glued to every single second of the Lakers/Celtics series and he is a bitter, bitter man. :ass:

[YodasBeast]

So just where does Jackson with 11 titles in 19 years stand amongst the all time great coaches?

For you basketball fanatics, are there any other coaches that even have that many titles? I don't feel like looking it up and am admittedly, lazy in this aspect.

[Raidervinny]

For you basketball fanatics, are there any other coaches that even have that many titles? I don't feel like looking it up and am admittedly, lazy in this aspect.

No...he finally broke the tie he had with Red Auerback with last year's title.

[YodasBeast]

Gotta say that big Phil has done some wonders with his wonderous teams. 6 with Jordan and the Bulls and 5 with Kobe/Shaq and the Lakers, right?

[Raidervinny]

Gotta say that big Phil has done some wonders with his wonderous teams. 6 with Jordan and the Bulls and 5 with Kobe/Shaq and the Lakers, right?

Yeah and Auerback did his work with Bil Russell and Bob Cousy...not to mention other HOF'ers like Tom Heinsohn, KC Jones and John Havlicek.

I'll never understand the Jackson bashing...NO NBA coach is successful without at least 2 superstars.

[CrossBones]

And Phil Jackson has never been coach of the year. That's just flat out stupid.

Before Jackson got to Chicago Jordan never won shit. Before Jackson got to Los Angeles Kobe and Shaq never won shit.

Hmph.

[Langlier]

Phil Jackson - the miracle from North Dakota

I played against some of his brother's HS teams (he coached locally). They were pretty tough.

[Raidervinny]

And Phil Jackson has never been coach of the year. That's just flat out stupid.

Before Jackson got to Chicago Jordan never won shit. Before Jackson got to Los Angeles Kobe and Shaq never won shit.

Hmph.

Amen...preach on Bones!

[YodasBeast]

You can have a bunch of superstars on a team, but it doesn't mean shit if you don't have a coach that can pull them all together and guide them towards that singular purpose.

[TheNextStep]

Ron Harper won three rings with Jordan and two with Bryant. Here's his take:

"I tell people that they are two great, great players, and Michael remains the best of all time, but Kobe now is right there next to him. He's standing right next to him. He's the closest thing we've ever had to Jordan. There is no one else even in the ballpark,'' Harper told FanHouse Tuesday from his home in New Jersey. "Kobe is hands down the best player in the game today.''

"Michael still gets the edge because of when he played, and who he played against, but don't take anything away from Kobe,'' Harper said. "Michael played when the rules allowed all the grabbing, holding and bumping that isn't allowed now on the perimeter. He also played against [Clyde] Drexler, [Joe] Dumars and guys like that every night. But after saying that, Kobe still would have been a star in that time.''

[Raidervinny]

Ron Harper won three rings with Jordan and two with Bryant. Here's his take:

That's a great way of putting it. I'm a die-hard Lakers fan and I love me some Kobe...but there's just no way that you can put Bryant in the same catagory as Jordan. Kobe will always be just a liiiiiitle bit below him.

[SoCalRaider]

That's damn interesting that Jackson never won coach of the year.... which illustrates exactly why I think individual honors should only be given out after the playoffs are over and need to take into account both the regular season and post season.... In that scenario, Jackson gets a few coach of the year honors and Kobe is league MVP this season.... not LeBacle....

[wyoraiders]

Nobody can say that Phil isn't a good or even great coach...but it's easy to look smart when you have Jordan/Pippen and Kobe/Shaq and Kobe/Gasol land in your lap.

I would have liked to see him take a moribund team like the Clippers or Warriors to the promised land. When we talk about the all-time great coaches, is what Jackson accomplished greater than Bill Belichick, Bill Walsh, or others who turned around perennial losers. Don't forget that Doug Collins had the Bulls in the conference finals the year before Jackson took over.

On a side note, a few years ago I was at a Lakers/Nuggets game in Denver...I watched Phil pretty closely as I was sitting near the Lakers bench. He was like a slug the whole game, just sitting there, and then got up and just reamed the official a new one late in the 4th qtr...well, from that point on, the Lakers got every call, including a play right at the end of the game where Carmelo put back a ball that careened off the side of the rim. The ref ruled that the shot clock expired because it did not hit the rim (although seemingly everyone in the arena saw otherwise) and waved off the basket. Kareem Rush canned a 3 at the buzzer to win by 1.

It was so bad that the official was later suspended because the call was so egregious. I am not shitting you guys, they actually suspended the ref over 1 bad call!

It was straight up intimidation! Phil had those refs scared to death, and the change in officiating after his tirade was obvious!

Any of you Lakers fans remember that? Thinking around '04 or '05?

[Limee]

It was before my time, but John Wooden had 10 titles in 12 years at UCLA. He probably had a few useful players on those teams.

You can have a bunch of superstars on a team, but it doesn't mean shit if you don't have a coach that can pull them all together and guide them towards that singular purpose.

Absolutely, that and his complete calmness and focus are his greatest strengths. It will be a huge loss for the Lakers if he doesn't come back next year.

[Madturk]

IMO, coaching in professional sports outside from maybe football is overrated. Yeah Jackson is a great coach, motivator, and able to handle the huge egos of the NBA, but let's face it, you put him on the Warriors and he'd have limited success. Joe Torre's another one. Look at all the great Yankee teams he had to work with. He hasn't exactly lit it up with the Dodgers. Just sayin.

[SoCalRaider]

Yeah Jackson is a great coach, motivator, and able to handle the huge egos of the NBA, but let's face it, you put him on the Warriors and he'd have limited success.

I'm not sure I buy that at all.... As much acclaim as Jackson gets for handling guys like Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Rodman, etc... not a lot of people mention that he's the only coach in basketball running the triangle offense.... Even though he didn't "invent" the triangle, his ability to identify the kind of talent that will win with that offense is a clear cut illustration of his basketball IQ which is second to none.

It also should be mentioned that he has a big hand in building great rosters (part of the reason Jerry West is no longer around as West wasn't willing to give up some authority to Jackson).... Jackson, for example, always prefers big, physical players over the current trend of small, quick guys... which is why his teams are always great rebounding and defensive teams.... It's not a coincidence he's always putting together great rosters. He's the guy identifying the talent and shaping that talent into his system. That's another thing that gets little mention......

The thing about him coaching the Warriors is a reach. If Jackson would land on the Warriors, the Warriors would suddenly be in play to land a big superstar by virtue of Jackson being there. No other coach in the NBA has that kind of reputation.... and it shows why coaches in the NBA have a bigger impact than coaches in any other league....

Right now, Phil Jackson is the greatest coach of any current professional sport. If anybody doesn't immediately realize that... then they probably don't watch or understand the NBA....

[Raider Bill]

Phil Jackson is the Robert Horry of coaching. Going by ring count Robert Horry is the best NBA player of the past 30 years

If Jackson would land on the Warriors

Never happen, he only would go to an up and coming team with the majority of the pieces in place.

[TheNextStep]

How would you know? You haven't watched it in years.

Oh... and SCOREBOARD.

[Raider Bill]

How would you know? You haven't watched it in years.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_players_wi th_most_championship_rings

[CrossBones]

Anybody can coach Jordan, Kobe, Shaq etc.? Really?

Wrong.

Before Jackson that collection of players won exactly zero titles. Give credit where credit is due. Jackson has some sort of Midas Touch with players and chemistry. It's one thing to have talented players but it's another thing to get them to gel and win championships. It's undeniable that Jackson did this first in the CBA (did you know that? Two titles) and then in Chicago and now in Los Angeles. Eleven championships?

"Never mistake activity for achievement."

[TheMadStork]

That's damn interesting that Jackson never won coach of the year.... which illustrates exactly why I think individual honors should only be given out after the playoffs are over and need to take into account both the regular season and post season.... In that scenario, Jackson gets a few coach of the year honors and Kobe is league MVP this season.... not LeBacle....

I think one reason he never won is that Coach of the Year almost always goes to the coach of a team that exceeds expectations and Jackson's teams usually were expected to go deep in the playoffs.

[Raider Bill]

Anybody can coach Jordan, Kobe, Shaq etc.? Really?

Wrong.

Before Jackson that collection of players won exactly zero titles. Give credit where credit is due. Jackson has some sort of Midas Touch with players and chemistry. It's one thing to have talented players but it's another thing to get them to gel and win championships. It's undeniable that Jackson did this first in the CBA (did you know that? Two titles) and then in Chicago and now in Los Angeles. Eleven championships?

"Never mistake activity for achievement."


The Bulls were in the Eastern conference finals the year before he got there I believe.

He's never done anything great with a team that doesn't have two of the best players in the league.


Jackson has always picked the right situations....put larry brown...Rudy-T.....

any players coach any yes you will have a 100 rings like Phil.

He's not the best coach ever!!!

A guy who makes a bad team win is a VERY GOOD coach...so just figure out the worst team to ever win a Ring...and you got your best coach ever

[CrossBones]

:rolleyes: OK Bill.

[Madturk]

Who gives a fuck at this point? Can we shut this thread down and move onto something more meaningful like the round of 16?

[SoCalRaider]

He's never done anything great with a team that doesn't have two of the best players in the league.
The Celtics always had 3 guys: Bird, McHale, and Parish.... and now Pierce, Garnett, and Allen
Riley's Laker dynasty had 3 guys: Magic, Kareem, and Worthy....

Jackson always did it with just 2: Jordan, Pippen... then Shaq, Kobe... and now Kobe, Gasol....




Jackson has always picked the right situations....put larry brown...Rudy-T.....
Rudy T did coach the Lakers right after Jackson left the first time. He didn't last half the season....




A guy who makes a bad team win is a VERY GOOD coach...
Since you're a Celtic fan who endured 2 decades of third tier toilet basketball after Bird retired.... I can see where you're coming from.... Problem is in LA... we're playing for a championship almost every year.... so none of us can relate to this mental masturbation.....





so just figure out the worst team to ever win a Ring...and you got your best coach ever
:bong:

[Madturk]

Time to move this shit.

[CrossBones]

Point is Bill nobody made those Bull and Lakers teams win championships until Phil Jackson showed up. Pretty much had the same super stars but couldn't get it done. Jackson got it done 11 times. Yeah -- eleven.