Schefter reporting

[NIPS]

On his pay site that Al's scraping the ZBS and going to a power run blocking scheme

I dont have a problem with this at all -- Question remains though -- what guard do we have on this roster that can pull and lay the wood?

Mike Johnson the guard from alabama rd 3?

[CrossBones]

On his pay site that Al's scraping the ZBS and going to a power run blocking scheme

I dont have a problem with this at all -- Question remains though -- what guard do we have on this roster that can pull and lay the wood?What scheme tare they running at Stanford these days? :D

[jatfly]

Well thaat tells me Bye Bye Tom Cable, hello Fassel & god knows whom else??

[NIPS]

Well thaat tells me Bye Bye Tom Cable, hello Fassel & god knows whom else??

I'd say thats about right

Wonder who the old bastard has in mind--

Maybe him? http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coach/1414-mike-pettine

[Postmaster]

If this is true, we need 5 new O-Lineman.

[Raider Outlaw]

Hell, Schefter wasn't paying attention this season because they scrapped the zone scheme during the off-season for the most part besides a few plays here and there.




On his pay site that Al's scraping the ZBS and going to a power run blocking scheme

I dont have a problem with this at all -- Question remains though -- what guard do we have on this roster that can pull and lay the wood?

Mike Johnson the guard from alabama rd 3?

[NIPS]

Hell, Schefter wasn't paying attention this season because they scrapped the zone scheme during the off-season for the most part besides a few plays here and there.

That bastard

[RaiderJF]

Hell, Schefter wasn't paying attention this season because they scrapped the zone scheme during the off-season for the most part besides a few plays here and there.

Exactly. We ran very little stretch this year. Al forced Cable's hand last year on this issue. Changed to more of a power straight ahead man scheme on run blocking and almost no play action QB roll out on passing. Why the hell do you think our run game went down the tubes this past year??? You don't think it had anything to do with having a ZBS RG and RT playing on the OL when Davis / Cable are asking them to do something that they had no chance of succeeding on? Morons both of them - Davis for forcing it to happen and Cable for going along with it.

[system7]

The old man should've drafted eugene monroe or oher if he was that concerned about the o-line instead of dhbust. we need to draft/sign some quality linemen this offseason; you're not gonna have a good oline with a bunch of scrubs like we do no matter what scheme we're running.

[cruedi]

On his pay site that Al's scraping the ZBS and going to a power run blocking scheme

I dont have a problem with this at all -- Question remains though -- what guard do we have on this roster that can pull and lay the wood?

Mike Johnson the guard from alabama rd 3?

not only guards, but what about a center? This makes the Satele signing worthless.

[JohnQ]

If this is true, we need 5 new O-Lineman.

By many accounts we need 3 or 4 anyway.Not much difference.Except whether we actually draft/get any.

[godeep811]

Last week on espns "mike and mike show" schefter also reported Cable was being fired.

[Raider Outlaw]

It's one of the reasons I've been beating the fire Tom CAble drum. If his hands were tied to go power (against his own principles no doubt), he should have insisted on one of the offensive linemen in the draft. I think Al is stubborn, but he would have listened to that argument since the line's been so bad for so long. Oher and Monroe, and even Smith (with a trade up) were there for the taking.

Either Al was disregarding anything Cable says, which I don't believe, or Cable didn't have much to say because he's clueless on personnel, which I do believe.




The old man should've drafted eugene monroe or oher if he was that concerned about the o-line instead of dhbust. we need to draft/sign some quality linemen this offseason; you're not gonna have a good oline with a bunch of scrubs like we do no matter what scheme we're running.

[DarthRaidor]

It's one of the reasons I've been beating the fire Tom CAble drum. If his hands were tied to go power (against his own principles no doubt), he should have insisted on one of the offensive linemen in the draft. I think Al is stubborn, but he would have listened to that argument since the line's been so bad for so long. Oher and Monroe, and even Smith (with a trade up) were there for the taking.

Either Al was disregarding anything Cable says, which I don't believe, or Cable didn't have much to say because he's clueless on personnel, which I do believe.

My understanding always was that it was Cable that convinced Al that he could make it happen with the OL he had and didn't need any more OL.

[RaiderJF]

The old man should've drafted eugene monroe or oher if he was that concerned about the o-line instead of dhbust. we need to draft/sign some quality linemen this offseason; you're not gonna have a good oline with a bunch of scrubs like we do no matter what scheme we're running.

Way too obvious and would have made too much sense. Al has a need to do things "his way" and prove that he is smarter than everyone else.

[Postmaster]

It's one of the reasons I've been beating the fire Tom CAble drum. If his hands were tied to go power (against his own principles no doubt), he should have insisted on one of the offensive linemen in the draft. I think Al is stubborn, but he would have listened to that argument since the line's been so bad for so long. Oher and Monroe, and even Smith (with a trade up) were there for the taking.

Either Al was disregarding anything Cable says, which I don't believe, or Cable didn't have much to say because he's clueless on personnel, which I do believe.

Al listens to nobody but Al. And that is why we interview and hire 5th rate candidates.

Why the hell is that so hard to understand?

Trading in one 5th rate coach for another is what we've been doing for 25 years.

It ain't working.

[RaiderJF]

My understanding always was that it was Cable that convinced Al that he could make it happen with the OL he had and didn't need any more OL.

That thinking makes sense with the ZBS. You don't need to spend high draft picks on undersized athletic O-lineman as these type guys you can pick up as undrafted free agents or guys cut from other pro teams. But this completely falls apart if you are looking for big, strong, swift, agile type guys especially at tackle. Sure, you can get lucky and run into a Jason Peters every now and then, but if you want a pro bowl tackle (especially LT) usually you need to spend a high draft pick to get one. Just don't pick a guy with stumps for arms (Gallery).

[Raider Outlaw]

Even more than that is him continually saying during the off-season that we couldn't have any offensive linemen because they don't all fit the zone scheme. It severely limited what you were looking at, and the only guy that he went to bat for (and hard I might add) was Kalif Barnes, a healthy scratch the majority of his lone season in Oakland.

Since they obviously scrapped zone last off-season, why was he jumping up and down about what a terrific fit that satele was for this team?

In light of all of this evidence, I don't even know if Tom CAble even knows what the fuck he's talking about.


My understanding always was that it was Cable that convinced Al that he could make it happen with the OL he had and didn't need any more OL.

[RaiderJF]

By many accounts we need 3 or 4 anyway.Not much difference.Except whether we actually draft/get any.

We definitely need a new RG and RT. Probably can live with the rest for now. I'd give Satele one more year to see if he can build some strength after coming off shoulder surgery last year.

[PDX Raider]

Even more than that is him continually saying during the off-season that we couldn't have any offensive linemen because they don't all fit the zone scheme. It severely limited what you were looking at, and the only guy that he went to bat for (and hard I might add) was Kalif Barnes, a healthy scratch the majority of his lone season in Oakland.

Since they obviously scrapped zone last off-season, why was he jumping up and down about what a terrific fit that satele was for this team?

In light of all of this evidence, I don't even know if Tom CAble even knows what the fuck he's talking about.

I have never liked the ZBS. Shanahan used it for years, and he was the only coach to win a SB w/ it. And even he spent high picks the last couple of years (Clady, Harris) on quality tackles. I think it's an offensive philosophy that simply doesn't work in the playoffs when teams have to go through very physical fronts (Balt, Pitt, etc). That said, I really don't think Cable was behind the decision to pass on the quality in last year's draft. He kept referring to there being "four horses" they were looking at, and I seriously doubt DHB was one of them. I don't think you can blame him for passing on linemen. Last year's draft was Al all the way. As usual he missed badly on the first pick (and probably the second, when you look at who was available). He hasn't drafted offensive linemen in the top three rounds in years, and the results are predictable. Look at the four remaining teams- all of them have good offensive lines, with the Jets and Minnesota having superb ones. The other teams in the playoffs had good lines as well. Balt invested wisely in offensive linemen and will likely have a good group together for a while.

That's where good teams are built. We'll see what Al does this year.

PDX

[RaiderJF]

Al listens to nobody but Al. And that is why we interview and hire 5th rate candidates.

Why the hell is that so hard to understand?

Trading in one 5th rate coach for another is what we've been doing for 25 years.

It ain't working.

Al is the de facto coach anyways. Al's idea of a HC is just a guy to implement what he wants with his guys and his system. The only guys that he has given any latitude to do otherwise in the last 20 years has been Gruden and Lance. And they didn't last long before Al dispatched them for treason...

[Crow]

I have never liked the ZBS. Shanahan used it for years, and he was the only coach to win a SB w/ it.

The Colts are on Line 1.

Every good team zone blocks half the time, if not the majority of the time. The Gibbs/Shanny version just incorporated a lot more cut blocking. Basically, it was legal to cut block a little...so you may as well do it a lot and really fuck up a defense's aggressiveness. It would have worked here if Al/Cable had brought in some decent linemen.

If it's true that Al is forcing the power scheme back into effect, then the Mario Henderson fan club is in even more trouble.

[Diceq]

The Colts are on Line 1.

Every good team zone blocks half the time, if not the majority of the time. The Gibbs/Shanny version just incorporated a lot more cut blocking. Basically, it was legal to cut block a little...so you may as well do it a lot and really fuck up a defense's aggressiveness. It would have worked here if Al/Cable had brought in some decent linemen.

If it's true that Al is forcing the power scheme back into effect, then the Mario Henderson fan club is in even more trouble.

Exactly- And I agree we got away from running stretch this year.

As a matter of fact...forced on Russell was)
Russell
mixed blocking scheme
DHB/ Murphy/ Walker benched?

Dead money from Gibril/ Hall/ Walker/ Kwame.

Cable said he'd win with this(He did in his Raiders are back PC) and Al said it may be a year away.

Al was right...
Cable has opps for improvement...it's written here daily.

The big question is if Cable is the guy to be the direction of the franchise. Based on the roster and the above, he's been alright. So is Alright good enough with the promise to get better?

We will find out this week!:bugeye:

[Raider Outlaw]

Al's a stubborn person, but if he never listened to anyone, the team you root for wouldn't even be possible. He listened to Ron Wolfe for 20 years. He listened to Gruden, Madden, Flores, he listened to norv, he listened to Kiffin, he listened to Mike Lombardi (or did you forget he wanted to hire Petrino on his recommendation alone). You seem to believe everything yous ee on television or something because you don't seem to know much about the Raiders. Stubborn asshole considering today's owners, absolutely and it's no wonder that the other person having difficulty filling his job just happens to be from that same era (Wilson in Buffalo). However, to say he doesn't listen to anyone is ignorant, he just doesn't listen to anyone he doesn't respect.

Let me tell you how it's always been. Either Al respects your opinion (like Kiffin, Gruden, Shanahan, etc) and you have to get more of his respect by winning, which Gruden did and the other 2 didn't.

Otherwise Al hires people who don't have much expertise and are easily molded, which usually comes after one of those coaches who have opinions that he respects (i.e. Bill Callahan, Tom Cable, Joe Bugel, etc.). That's how it works, that's how it's always worked.

With the current state of the roster, I'm sorry but I need somebody who can develop this roster, not a guy who's clueless and defers to Al most of the time because he's so clueless.


Al listens to nobody but Al. And that is why we interview and hire 5th rate candidates.

Why the hell is that so hard to understand?

Trading in one 5th rate coach for another is what we've been doing for 25 years.

It ain't working.

[Raider Outlaw]

That's not true, or do people just forget Mike White, Norv, and even years under Art Shell the first time when we went to a shorter passing game?

He dominates people that he can because they have no resumes and/or they have no expertise to dispute him. McDonald has told the story of how Gruden would cut up film all the time to dispute a suggestion by Al that he didn't think would work. If you don't know how to dispute one of his suggestions, how would you go against the suggestions of your boss, especially when you're losing week in, week out?

That's the dilemma the Tom Cables and Joe Bugels face working for Al, which means they can't succeed in that job, it's very unique. It's also one of the main reasons established coaches wouldn't come to Oakland because I don't buy the money thing, Al just won't overpay. Once you've had success, would you want to put up with that kind of shit, justifying your every move?




Al is the de facto coach anyways. Al's idea of a HC is just a guy to implement what he wants with his guys and his system. The only guys that he has given any latitude to do otherwise in the last 20 years has been Gruden and Lance. And they didn't last long before Al dispatched them for treason...

[Postmaster]

Al's a stubborn person, but if he never listened to anyone, the team you root for wouldn't even be possible. He listened to Ron Wolfe for 20 years. He listened to Gruden, Madden, Flores, he listened to norv, he listened to Kiffin, he listened to Mike Lombardi (or did you forget he wanted to hire Petrino on his recommendation alone). You seem to believe everything yous ee on television or something because you don't seem to know much about the Raiders. Stubborn asshole considering today's owners, absolutely and it's no wonder that the other person having difficulty filling his job just happens to be from that same era (Wilson in Buffalo). However, to say he doesn't listen to anyone is ignorant, he just doesn't listen to anyone he doesn't respect.

Let me tell you how it's always been. Either Al respects your opinion (like Kiffin, Gruden, Shanahan, etc) and you have to get more of his respect by winning, which Gruden did and the other 2 didn't.

Otherwise Al hires people who don't have much expertise and are easily molded, which usually comes after one of those coaches who have opinions that he respects (i.e. Bill Callahan, Tom Cable, Joe Bugel, etc.). That's how it works, that's how it's always worked.

With the current state of the roster, I'm sorry but I need somebody who can develop this roster, not a guy who's clueless and defers to Al most of the time because he's so clueless.

Enough of your long drawn out explanations. Al is the sole reason we are going through the worst stretch of losing in NFL history.

Period end of story.

Now please reply with one of your nine paragraph retorts. They don't mean shit.

[PDX Raider]

Enough of your long drawn out explanations. Al is the sole reason we are going through the worst stretch of losing in NFL history.

Period end of story.

Yep. Hard to disagree. He's been a bad owner for most of the last 20 years, and an atrocious one for the last seven. Hard to believe the fucking Bidwells now have a fairly successful franchise while this stubborn mule can't get a sniff from any self respecting coach.

PDX

[Raider Outlaw]

I'll break it down for you in simple terms, since that's all you seem to understand. Al never replaced Ron Wolfe, which led to the downfall of the Raiders.

PS: If you don't like my retorts, stop responding little buddy.


Enough of your long drawn out explanations. Al is the sole reason we are going through the worst stretch of losing in NFL history.

Period end of story.

Now please reply with one of your nine paragraph retorts. They don't mean shit.

[Crow]

And what was the value of Ron Wolf? Ah yes. Pointing out when Al was doing something incredibly stupid...and Al is an incredibly stupid person...and often steering him away from stupid decisions.

Any way you spin it, Al is the problem.

[Raidermania12]

Changed to more of a power straight ahead man scheme on run blocking and almost no play action QB roll out on passing.

Yea it was pretty ugly.

[Postmaster]

I'll break it down for you in simple terms, since that's all you seem to understand. Al never replaced Ron Wolfe, which led to the downfall of the Raiders.

PS: If you don't like my retorts, stop responding little buddy.

And how is somebody who hasn't been associated with the organization for 30 years relevant? How does that make a case for Al and his willingness to listen to people? It does the exact opposite.

Please respond with 50 characters or less. Life is too short to read your novels of irrelevancy.

[Raider Outlaw]

Because if you knew anything about the Raiders, you'd know that they've been a mediocre to bad team since he left. Not to mention that every player or coach that worked there during that era says that Al listened to Wolfe when drafting all of those Hall of Fame players. But I don't expect you to know about that, kid.




And how is somebody who hasn't been associated with the organization for 30 years relevant? How does that make a case for Al and his willingness to listen to people? It does the exact opposite.

Please respond with 50 characters or less. Life is too short to read your novels of irrelevancy.

[Raider Outlaw]

From what he built in Green Bay (the best team of the 90's record wise), I think he did more than just veto dumb ideas. Not to mention that leaving for the Tampa GM job just happened to coincide with a couple of our mediocre seasons in the 70's as well. His departure is the single reason for why this team has slid so far, period.

Gruden contradicted some of those ideas, but they never drafted well during those years either. Unless Al hires a coach who really has a handle on personnel, which I recognize that Kiffin did regardless of his coaching, this shit will continue. We're headed to 0-16 soon.




And what was the value of Ron Wolf? Ah yes. Pointing out when Al was doing something incredibly stupid...and Al is an incredibly stupid person...and often steering him away from stupid decisions.

Any way you spin it, Al is the problem.

[Postmaster]

Because if you knew anything about the Raiders, you'd know that they've been a mediocre to bad team since he left. Not to mention that every player or coach that worked there during that era says that Al listened to Wolfe when drafting all of those Hall of Fame players. But I don't expect you to know about that, kid.

Ok gramps. Still don't get your point. So Al listened to Wolfe fuggin' 3 decades ago and you are you thinking that since he actually took advice at some point eons ago, he is ready to once again open his ears?

Don't hold your breath pops.

PS: Thanks for the cliffnotes version of your posts.

[Raider Outlaw]

Hardly that old cocksucker, but I know about this team inside and out, which you obviously don't as evidenced by your shortsighted posts on here all the time.

The scroll button is your friend, use it.


Ok gramps. Still don't get your point. So Al listened to Wolfe fuggin' 3 decades ago and you are you thinking that since he actually took advice at some point eons ago, he is ready to once again open his ears?

Don't hold your breath pops.

PS: Thanks for the cliffnotes version of your posts.

[Postmaster]

Hardly that old cocksucker, but I know about this team inside and out, which you obviously don't as evidenced by your shortsighted posts on here all the time.

The scroll button is your friend, use it.

Cocksucker? That's a little harsh don't you think? :pound:

Thanks for keeping it short gramps.

[fade2black24]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/raiders

Check out the latest video.

For what its worth Gradkowski is already working out preparing for next season. That is nice to see.

[Crow]

What is old Wolfey doing these days? Maybe he'll come back out of pity.

[Crow]

From what he built in Green Bay (the best team of the 90's record wise), I think he did more than just veto dumb ideas. Not to mention that leaving for the Tampa GM job just happened to coincide with a couple of our mediocre seasons in the 70's as well. His departure is the single reason for why this team has slid so far, period.

Gruden contradicted some of those ideas, but they never drafted well during those years either. Unless Al hires a coach who really has a handle on personnel, which I recognize that Kiffin did regardless of his coaching, this shit will continue. We're headed to 0-16 soon.

Doesn't matter how good the coach is with personnel. He still has to convince the old man to do something intelligent. That's the whole point. That's the problem.

[Raider Outlaw]

I know, which is why the job is so undesirable. You have to not only know your shit on personnel, you have to convince him that your ideas are good ideas, plus you have to deal with coaching the damn team. That's what Gannon meant by everywhere else that he played, he didn't have to deal with all this peripheral shit in the building.


Doesn't matter how good the coach is with personnel. He still has to convince the old man to do something intelligent. That's the whole point. That's the problem.

[Raider Outlaw]

Al named him as a part of the succession plan, which was news to him. He's retired, conceding that it's a young man's game and advised Al to do the same the last time I heard him interviewed. However, he still reveres Al and gasp, credits him for teaching him everything he knows, lol. The Miami media relays that he and parcells are tight, and Parcells supposedly runs a lot of shit by him.
I think Al's too ashamed to get help from Wolfe, even if it were available because it would exposes his shortcomings. Wolfe built those great teams and any old school fan knows that. Just look at the record before and after 1985, not to mention what he did with the Packers while we slipped into irrelevance.




What is old Wolfey doing these days? Maybe he'll come back out of pity.

[Crow]

So, back to basics.

Die, Al. Die.