2010 Offseason thread

[doug7dust]

to prevent many threads being made in the future, post most of the happenings going down this offseason here, from resigning players, FA rumors and signings, coaching staff changes, some draft talk if you dont want to go in war room, and all kinds of other stuff going on in the orginization.



Go Raiders in 2010! looking foward to next year as always!

[doug7dust]

Rotoworld suggests that Jason Campbell could be had in a trade thos offaseason with Washington looking heavily into Sam Bradford, and they say oakland is one of his possible destinations.

I dunno bout this one, at times he has looked good, he torched us here a few weeks ago, but if were going to make a trade for a QB, i would want the best available QB in trade market and I think Kevin Kolb COULD be available from Philly and i see him as another Matt Schaub.

[fade2black24]

Idk if I want to make a trade for a QB. I'd rather build up the O-line, LB, continue to grow the DL and run with Gradkowski. If Russell comes back and looks dedicated then he should be the Qb. We need to build the rest of this team up. I like Grad. I like his excitment and work ethic. He is tough and deserves and opportunity. We need to use our draft picks to build this O-line, not trade for Jason Cambell.

[Raider Bill]

No way in hell Philly lets a reasonable player like Kolb go and keeps an expensive veteran like McNabb. That's just not the way they operate. I'd be shocked if it happened.

[BigTron]

OL please....

[doug7dust]

im a gradkowski fan, the guy is fuckin passionate, mobile and makes plays, much like a younger Jeff Garcia but with a much better attitude .But Id like to see us dump Russell and bring in yet another QB to battle it out with Gradkowski and who ever wins wins.

QB and OL and DT should be the main focus this offseason

[doug7dust]

Idk if I want to make a trade for a QB. I'd rather build up the O-line, LB, continue to grow the DL and run with Gradkowski. If Russell comes back and looks dedicated then he should be the Qb. We need to build the rest of this team up. I like Grad. I like his excitment and work ethic. He is tough and deserves and opportunity. We need to use our draft picks to build this O-line, not trade for Jason Cambell.

we have seen enough of Russell, i think Davis may have too after the baltimore game, where he played actually pretty decent and STILL managed to fuck it up.

[fade2black24]

we have seen enough of Russell, i think Davis may have too after the baltimore game, where he played actually pretty decent and STILL managed to fuck it up.

I am not advicating for the team to bring Russell back. Trust me on this one. Can't stand the douche bag. I just realize that in all reality we are probably stuck with him. I don't want that to be the case. I'd love to go with Grad. He's a player and I'd be happy if we could put together a 8-8 or 9-7 win season next year. Its about getting out of this hole. Gradkowski could be a decent QB given the chance. He probably isn't elite but lets just worry about getting back to competitive before we start worrying about elite QB's.

[Postmaster]

Jason Campbell is another no emotion QB. We need a leader not an "aw shucks" QB.

[hawaiianboy]

Rotoworld suggests that Jason Campbell could be had in a trade thos offaseason with Washington looking heavily into Sam Bradford, and they say oakland is one of his possible destinations.

Would be just like us to give up a pick for Jason Campbell seeing that he is an unrestricted free agent and all... :pound:



I dunno bout this one, at times he has looked good, he torched us here a few weeks ago, but if were going to make a trade for a QB, i would want the best available QB in trade market and I think Kevin Kolb COULD be available from Philly and i see him as another Matt Schaub.

The Eagles opted to give McNabb a raise this year rather than extend his contract... People keep giving me the fish eye when I say that McNabb will be available... I've heard from someone in the contract game that the Lurie guy loves Kolb and wants to see him play before they have to give him a new contract in '011... There are no sacred cows in Philly.... If they lowballed Brian Dawkins who was Mr. Eagle, they'll cut the strings with Nabby before they move Kolb IMO...

[doug7dust]

Would be just like us to give up a pick for Jason Campbell seeing that he is an unrestricted free agent and all... :pound:





The Eagles opted to give McNabb a raise this year rather than extend his contract... People keep giving me the fish eye when I say that McNabb will be available... I've heard from someone in the contract game that the Lurie guy loves Kolb and wants to see him play before they have to give him a new contract in '011... There are no sacred cows in Philly.... If they lowballed Brian Dawkins who was Mr. Eagle, they'll cut the strings with Nabby before they move Kolb IMO...

hell, id take mcnabb trust me

[doug7dust]

i think we got a pretty good core of young guys on this team with schilens, murphy, bush, henderson, miller, scott, shaughnessy, branch and mitchell.

Plug in older guys like Huff, Gallery, Ellis, Seymour(will be back one way or another) Tommy Kelly and Nnamdi and that gives us a pretty good group of guys IMO for us to build upon.

This team needs a QB and it needs to be someone not named JaMarcus Russell.

We have some decisions to make on Morrison and Howard, To me I think it would be hard for Morrison to go, because he is a dedicated raider and would probably re-sign cheap to play for his hometown favorite team, but we cant have him playing MLB its gotta be outside. i think Howard comes back, Davis loves this guy as he is the fastest LB in the league.

Gotta get atleast 2 new starters on the OL

Would like to see a new cornerback opposite of Nnamdi, looks like Chris Johnson lost a step this year.

Would love to draft a FB somewhere in the 4th to 5th rounds, one that can have a jon ritchie feel to it.

I think Fargas is done in silver and black, we need that 3rd RB spot to be a special teamer. Would love to see a mid round pick used on one, and maybe to push McFadden a little bit, since he cant shake a tackler to save his life.

[hawaiianboy]

This is my early off season predictions:

* Neither Cable or JaMarcus will be here next year...

* Don't think Marshall will either if Cable is retained... I've heard he and Cable don't get along...

* The Gradkowski fans will be disappointed... I think we will aggressively pursue a veteran QB with a bunch of game experience be it via trade (Nabby) or FA signing (Vick)...

* Don't be surprised if we 1)Traded a mid round pick for Kerry Collins and the 1 year @ $5.5M due him and reunited him with Jim Fassell @ HC... 2)Keep JP Losman on as the #2 behind KC with Frye as the 3... Collins and JP would already be familiar with what Fassell does on O and the set up would allow Losman another year of polish under Fassell...


* Your starting OT's next year will be Mario Hendo and Langston Walker... No rhyme or reason other than a gut feeling, especially with me taking a shine to drafting Anthony Davis at 8 now that he has decided to declare early... I do however see Al either signing a guy like Shawn Andrews to play RG once the Eagles cut ties with him or drafting a power blocking guard like that big ass John Jerry from Ole Miss to line up next to Langston...

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we tried to move Gallery to one of the many teams that now use the ZBS cut system and replaced him with someone who would better fit the big, power based line that I think we'll transition back to, say maybe that Johnson kid from Bama... I also think that Satele is one and done if we can find an upgrade... Should the Bears and Olin Kruetz part ways, I know he'd love to play on the west coast... He's not as dominating as he once was, but he's a tough sumbitch still...

* I think Al will surprise the kids this year by drafting a couple of DT's, though maybe not the ones they want... I do believe that Gerald McCoy is just the kind of physical specimen that Al would really value high, though obviously the likelihood of him being around at 8 is slim at best...

* If I had to fill out my Lil Al now, Joe Haden and Dexter McCluster would fill the first two rounds...

[poptart]

Good thoughts, as always, hb, but .. damn, Kerry Collins part 2 & Jim Fossil??

Can't think of a much better way to crank up a dying fan base than that plan of attack.


L. Walkedover back at RT?


You didn't mention O-Coordinator.

B & B guy?



Please no.

[Diceq]

Don't think Marshall will either if Cable is retained... I've heard he and Cable don't get along...

Could be why we punted at the end...Cable wanted/ knew the Ravens would pound it out? I hope not because I thought we were done with politics

[Postmaster]

Don't think Marshall will either if Cable is retained... I've heard he and Cable don't get along...

Could be why we punted at the end...Cable wanted/ knew the Ravens would pound it out? I hope not because I thought we were done with politics

Yeah I am sure Cable punted the ball because he knew the Ravens would run the ball down our throat and eat the clock.

That is the only logical reason for punting in that situation. :bugeye:

[Diceq]

If Cable goes, list of guys we should interview after we hire a GM and assuming we don't give Gruden everything...

1- Charlie Weis
2-Mike Martz
3-Jim Harbaugh
4-John Marshall-yes our DC has been around the NFL and coached with a lot of winners
5-Steve Sarkisian (our original target wen we got Kiff)
6-Russ Grim-
7-Aaron Fromer


Who are we going to talk to? Gilbride, Fassell and maybe Harbaugh

What should we do? Al give the team to Marc who hires a GM to do the leg work

[Postmaster]

One major downside of firing Cable is you make the already poisonous head coaching job of the Raiders even more poisonous, thus limiting your options even further.

If Cable is fired the new guy needs to be already lined up. If we fire Cable and then go on a coaching search be prepared to be embarrassed for all the world to see as every decent prospect and even not so decent prospect pulls their name out of consideration for this job.

If you thought the Shell and Kiffin job searches were fun, you ain't seen nothing yet.

[TheMadStork]

One major downside of firing Cable is you make the already poisonous head coaching job of the Raiders even more poisonous, thus limiting your options even further.

If Cable is fired the new guy needs to be already lined up. If we fire Cable and then go on a coaching search be prepared to be embarrassed for all the world to see as every decent prospect and even not so decent prospect pulls their name out of consideration for this job.

If you thought the Shell and Kiffin job searches were fun, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Especially since the new coach will know that he's going to have 280+ pounds of Gump shoved down his throat as a condition of taking the job.

"Come coach the Raiders, you don't get to pick your staff or your QB or run the offense or defense you want, but every day you get to kiss Al's wrinkly old butt and thank him for imparting all his football knowledge to you." Who could turn that down?

[RaiderRobert]

If Cable goes, list of guys we should interview after we hire a GM and assuming we don't give Gruden everything...

1- Charlie Weis
2-Mike Martz
3-Jim Harbaugh
4-John Marshall-yes our DC has been around the NFL and coached with a lot of winners
5-Steve Sarkisian (our original target wen we got Kiff)
6-Russ Grim-
7-Aaron Fromer


Who are we going to talk to? Gilbride, Fassell and maybe Harbaugh

What should we do? Al give the team to Marc who hires a GM to do the leg work

In my mind, we should be targeting Weis 100%. With the news that Crennel is coming to KC, we need a legit OC who can counter that move. Remember that it all starts with Divisional Opponents first. Crennel is very good DC, so we need to counter with someone who can beat him. I am all for retaining Cable as our HC, but we MUST bring in a legit OC. Same goes for the draft. If Suh is taken by KC, then sure as shit we need to take Iuputi to counter...

[Postmaster]

In my mind, we should be targeting Weis 100%. With the news that Crennel is coming to KC, we need a legit OC who can counter that move. Remember that it all starts with Divisional Opponents first. Crennel is very good DC, so we need to counter with someone who can beat him. I am all for retaining Cable as our HC, but we MUST bring in a legit OC. Same goes for the draft. If Suh is taken by KC, then sure as shit we need to take Iuputi to counter...

Weis will have 6 better options than Oakland. Do you think Wies will come work for Al Davis for peanuts? He would make more than Cable does as HC as an OC for any other team in the NFL.

I guess reality hasn't hit some of you guys yet.

[doug7dust]

RAIDERS 2010 OPPONENTS








RaiderBeat.com Staff



Here is a list of the Raiders 2010 opponents, based on a formula adopted by the league in 2002 that ensures teams from a division play 11 common opponents, including each of the three other teams in their division twice. The two other games are determined by where a team finishes in its division, with one of those games at home and the other on the road against like-finishing teams from the two divisions within the conference that aren’t being played. Game times and dates will be released in early April.



Home games


San Diego Chargers (13-3)
Denver Broncos (8-8)
Kansas City Chiefs (4-12)
St. Louis Rams (1-15)
Seattle Seahawks (5-11)
Indianapolis Colts (14-2)
Houston Texans (9-7)
Miami Dolphins (7-9)



Road games


San Diego Chargers (13-3)
Denver Broncos (8-8)
Kansas City Chiefs (4-12)
San Francisco 49ers (8-8)
Arizona Cardinals (10-6)
Jacksonville Jaguars (7-9)
Tennessee Titans (8-8)
Pittsburgh Steelers (9-7)

[doug7dust]

some easier games on the home schedule, will it matter? knowing us well lost to the rams and beat the colts at home

[Postmaster]

Al Davis is the Raiders greatest opponent. Once we get him out of the way we can focus on the 2010 schedule.

[doug7dust]

with Al Davis judging, its Tom Cable vs JaMarcus Russell, and it looks like Davis is giving the nod to Russell with reports of Cables firing being imminent

[Raidervinny]

My offseason predictions:

Cable will get fired.

Al will hire Fassel under the condition that JaMarcus is the starter all year unless he gets injured. Oh, and he will also be forced to start DHB.

Marshall will get fired due to blitzing too much. Al will hire someone who he can control.

Javon Walker will still be a Raider.

The only OL signed will be bargain basement castoffs.

We WILL draft Taylor Mays in round 1.

Morrison will still be our starting MLB.

Green will still be our starting RT.

We will overpay for at least 1 FA...and it will be a CB (who will be a bust).

Our entire 2010 draft will not yield a single quality starter. (Mays will start but will be as dreadful and unproductive as DHB was this year)

The Raiders will fail to sell out their season tickets.

Not one good thing will happen this offseason and that will result in a 1-15 season.

[doug7dust]

the entire staff from the buffalo bils just got fired, every one of the, that means Bobby April is now available, who is regarder as one of the best special teams coaches around and we really need one of them.

[CrossBones]

Weis will have 6 better options than Oakland. Plus Notre Dame is payng him like $6 Billon. So, there's no rush for him to take a job wit the Oakland Raiders. Good god. Come on man. :D

[doug7dust]

well guys if cable is gone that means that cable mnainstays Carlisle and Green are gone, and probably Satele too, thats a good start i guess

[Raidervinny]

This is my early off season predictions:

* Neither Cable or JaMarcus will be here next year...

* Don't think Marshall will either if Cable is retained... I've heard he and Cable don't get along...

* The Gradkowski fans will be disappointed... I think we will aggressively pursue a veteran QB with a bunch of game experience be it via trade (Nabby) or FA signing (Vick)...

* Don't be surprised if we 1)Traded a mid round pick for Kerry Collins and the 1 year @ $5.5M due him and reunited him with Jim Fassell @ HC... 2)Keep JP Losman on as the #2 behind KC with Frye as the 3... Collins and JP would already be familiar with what Fassell does on O and the set up would allow Losman another year of polish under Fassell...


* Your starting OT's next year will be Mario Hendo and Langston Walker... No rhyme or reason other than a gut feeling, especially with me taking a shine to drafting Anthony Davis at 8 now that he has decided to declare early... I do however see Al either signing a guy like Shawn Andrews to play RG once the Eagles cut ties with him or drafting a power blocking guard like that big ass John Jerry from Ole Miss to line up next to Langston...

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we tried to move Gallery to one of the many teams that now use the ZBS cut system and replaced him with someone who would better fit the big, power based line that I think we'll transition back to, say maybe that Johnson kid from Bama... I also think that Satele is one and done if we can find an upgrade... Should the Bears and Olin Kruetz part ways, I know he'd love to play on the west coast... He's not as dominating as he once was, but he's a tough sumbitch still...

* I think Al will surprise the kids this year by drafting a couple of DT's, though maybe not the ones they want... I do believe that Gerald McCoy is just the kind of physical specimen that Al would really value high, though obviously the likelihood of him being around at 8 is slim at best...

* If I had to fill out my Lil Al now, Joe Haden and Dexter McCluster would fill the first two rounds...

The hiring of Fassel is the only thing that you listed that will happen...everything else is a pipe dream.

[RaiderRobert]

Plus Notre Dame is payng him like $6 Billon. So, there's no rush for him to take a job wit the Oakland Raiders. Good god. Come on man. :D

Weis was fired on Dec 1st. Am I missing something?

[Postmaster]

Weis was fired on Dec 1st. Am I missing something?

Yes and his contract had a buyout clause that gave him a shitload of money. More money than one man would ever need. So why would a fat rich man come to the shithole team known as the Oakland Raiders?

[fatdog]

The hiring of Fassel is the only thing that you listed that will happen...everything else is a pipe dream.
My prediction..(I have never been right before now)
Al is going to hire Fassel...as Cables OC. Russell will be cut and the Raiders will go with Grad, Frye and Losman at QB.
Al will draft 1 DB and the rest will be lineman.

[Raidervinny]

My prediction..(I have never been right before now)
Al is going to hire Fassel...as Cables OC. Russell will be cut and the Raiders will go with Grad, Frye and Losman at QB.
Al will draft 1 DB and the rest will be lineman.

I would consider that an outstanding offseason, by Raider standards, if the DB was Haden.

[RaiderRobert]

Yes and his contract had a buyout clause that gave him a shitload of money. More money than one man would ever need. So why would a fat rich man come to the shithole team known as the Oakland Raiders?

Does he lose that golden parachute if he gets a new job? If not, then I see him getting back to work asap. Why not Oakland? If he already has a shitload of money, why not take an interesting job for less? We do have some talent here on offense, and if we improve our line in the draft and FA, we could have a winning offense. Yes yes I know it sucks working for Al, but things have to change sooner or later right? If Cable wants to keep his job, he needs to be able to shift blame, therefore he needs to hire an OC. Weis is the best available. If Cable took the idea to Al that he needs a legit OC, it could be done. And I don't believe we are going to ever see Russell again as a starter. If he doesn't agree to a new contract, befitting of a back up, then he is as good as gone. And he is certainly stupid enough to do that...

[Diceq]

Al Davis is the Raiders greatest opponent. Once we get him out of the way we can focus on the 2010 schedule.

LOL rolling LOL

[CrossBones]

Does he lose that golden parachute if he gets a new job?Well of course he does. Unless he gets a job for less and can convince Notre Dame to pay the difference. Why would Oakland be a landing spot for Weiss when he doesn't have to do anything and get paid by ND?

If not, then I see him getting back to work asap. Why not Oakland?The better question is WHY Oakland?

[Crow]

Union leaks memo regarding ownership proposals, warns of lockout
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/04/union-leaks-memo-regarding-ownership-proposals-warns-of-lockout/

[Xplosive]

well... sharpening axe, getting projector and signing checks


Go raiders


X

[cruedi]

I would consider that an outstanding offseason, by Raider standards, if the DB was Haden.

and we get rid of routt. We need someone opposite of Namdi. Chris Johnson isn't the answer, but closer than deangelo hall was.

2 Guards and a right tackle on the offensive side, a big nose tackle on D, a big MIKE as well while I'm wishing for things.

I'll also wish for Gallery to actually play next year instead of being regarded as our best Oline player, maybe he'll actaully be our best Oline player.

We could also decide whether we're going to really use the zone blocking system or man-to-man.

Well I could go on and on but it's early January why get my hopes up again?

[sportzfan76]

I, for one, could not stomach another season of watching this team if '#2' is under center. I haven't missed a snap (on TV) since the team returned to Oakland. I obviously don't have season tickets to nonrenew, but i could save some coin on Directv Sunday Ticket and find a new hobby for weekends.

[DonkeyKilla]

a lock out would suck. Would save me from watching the Raiders though.

[hawaiianboy]

Well of course he does. Unless he gets a job for less and can convince Notre Dame to pay the difference. Why would Oakland be a landing spot for Weiss when he doesn't have to do anything and get paid by ND?

The better question is WHY Oakland?


Because he'd rather be Batman than Robin... Say Crow was a successful assistant manager at McDonalds that left to be a manager at Arby's and predictably failed, would he rather go back to being an assistant manager at Taco Bell or Burger King or be the head honcho at Joey's Fried Roadkill down in the barrio?....


The hiring of Fassel is the only thing that you listed that will happen...everything else is a pipe dream.

:shrug: We'll see... I think I've been getting pretty good info the past few months from someone I know in the biz... I've heard Al has had a plan in place for awhile...

[Crow]

Because he'd rather be Batman than Robin... Say Crow was a successful assistant manager at McDonalds that left to be a manager at Arby's and predictably failed, would he rather go back to being an assistant manager at Taco Bell or Burger King or be the head honcho at Joey's Fried Roadkill down in the barrio?....

:mad:


I've heard Al has had a plan in place for awhile...

Am I the only one terribly unnerved by this?

[TheMadStork]

Am I the only one terribly unnerved by this?

Didn't Al also have a plan in place to hire a "football guy" after last season? He's great at making plans until it means getting out of the way and letting people do their jobs.

What he should really do is like the big college football factories and name the coach-in-waiting as soon as he hires the new one. Since, of course, a Raiders coach has the same shelf life as a box of Viagra at Bone's house.

[S and B Executioner]

Here is the offseason as I see it.

WE WILL MAKE NO MAJOR CHANGES OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE!


Sure, Cable is gone, Al has to have a scapegoat.

Russell will surely be back, Al has to prove that he was right about this kid.

Al will not draft an OL, QB or Cb in Round One. This is the year he drafts a DT or DE, and he may trade down to do it.

Jano will be one RICH Pole come February.

Sey will be back, and he will get paid to do it.

The coaches you will hear most closely to the Raiders search will be as follows: Al Saunders, Gunther Cunningham, Jim Fassell, Brian Billick, Charlie Weis, James Lofton and Mike Leach.

The coach you will see on the sidelines in Oakland: Mike Leach (no where else to go and loves Pirates) or Jim Fassell Las Vegas was a good gig, but nowhere else to go). Book it now.

Grads will re-sign and Al will sign a decent Qb and 3 person battle will devide the team in training camp. After Jaworthless pulls up lame with a "chronic hamstring", he will go on IR and Grads gets the nod.

Based on schedule and how I see Al attacking the offseason, an 8-8 record is the best we can hope for.

Bonus- Al will die shortly after the 2010 season begins after fall from his walker in which he breaks his hip and fractures his skull. Insert NFL mandated 3 Sympathy wins.

Okay, 10-6 but no playoffs.

[Madturk]

:shrug: We'll see... I think I've been getting pretty good info the past few months from someone I know in the biz... I've heard Al has had a plan in place for awhile...

Mat Millen, c'mon down!:p

[Postmaster]

:shrug: We'll see... I think I've been getting pretty good info the past few months from someone I know in the biz... I've heard Al has had a plan in place for awhile...

Hopefully it isn't the same guy that told you Jamarcus was going through some Rambo style training in the Arizona desert right before the season. I don't think that tip panned out too well. :D

[Crow]

Al will not draft an OL, QB or Cb in Round One. This is the year he drafts a DT or DE, and he may trade down to do it.

Weren't you just talking about using a little bit of brains in another thread? What happened? You left your brains in that thread?

:D

[jatfly]

Hopefully it isn't the same guy that told you Jamarcus was going through some Rambo style training in the Arizona desert right before the season. I don't think that tip panned out too well. :D

have u seen the latest rambo or rambloat movie??

[Raidervinny]

Because he'd rather be Batman than Robin... Say Crow was a successful assistant manager at McDonalds that left to be a manager at Arby's and predictably failed, would he rather go back to being an assistant manager at Taco Bell or Burger King or be the head honcho at Joey's Fried Roadkill down in the barrio?....




:shrug: We'll see... I think I've been getting pretty good info the past few months from someone I know in the biz... I've heard Al has had a plan in place for awhile...

That would be nice...but being a Raider fan means suspending logic and lowering expectations...and not getting your hopes up. I'm just preparing myself for the worst.

[hawaiianboy]

:mad:



Am I the only one terribly unnerved by this?


Nope... I fear the "plan" could include Kevin Gilbride as head coach and Matt Millen as GM... If we're going to make a change, I'd prefer the change include either someone who has already achieved something as a head coach, or someone with some fire on the upswing like my man Aaron Kromer...

The first thing his plan should include is adding someone he already trusts like a Ron Wolf to help him piecemeal this damn thing together...

[Crow]

I could live with that. I don't necessarily think Wolf is a great option as a GM...but as someone who can provide that buffer between Al and the HC and maybe even convince Al to wait a couple more round before drafting Mike Mitchell, he could be invaluable.

[EZRaider]

Wow, if this is the going to be THE offseason thread, it's gonna be hard to keep up with without checking in every 10 minutes. But I'll try.

I just posted this in my "Marshall a Raider" thread, but since it pertains to offseason bets, here it is again...

You guys are probably right about this one and Marshall will not be a Raider next year. Just a thought.

BTW, I'm all with you when you talk OL (and QB) help this offseason as our most pressing need, for sure! (Grad's good, but we still need better, IMO.)

But I'll still take bets there will be some other obscure big FA signing this year, and WR is a definite possibility, if not probability.

BTW, I'm optimistic that only a few tweaks to this team might pay bigger dividends next year than anyone thinks, especially if everyone starts playing like a team.

[S and B Executioner]

Weren't you just talking about using a little bit of brains in another thread? What happened? You left your brains in that thread?

:D

Now Crow, why do gotta go and do that? Even Al has thrown the suprise in there every now and then. Also, I use my brain, it is AL that does not and that what i am basing my post on.

[Madturk]

Nope... I fear the "plan" could include Kevin Gilbride as head coach and Matt Millen as GM... If we're going to make a change, I'd prefer the change include either someone who has already achieved something as a head coach, or someone with some fire on the upswing like my man Aaron Kromer...

The first thing his plan should include is adding someone he already trusts like a Ron Wolf to help him piecemeal this damn thing together...

We should only hope Al hires Ron Wolf even if he's coaxed out of retirement. At least the guy has demonstrated personnel ability over the years. Any "plan" that includes Matt Millen will further set this franchise even further back, however I'm betting he's one of the frontrunners.:(

[Diceq]

PFT is reporting...Mystery team is interested in Shanahan...wouldn't it would be outrageous?


Confirming multiple published accounts, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan is in Washington, meeting with owner Daniel Snyder.

But Schefter has an intriguing nugget -- another team is interested in Shanahan.

Schefter doesn't name the team, and our first guess was that Shanahan could be using Schefter in the hopes of making Snyder think that he's actually bidding against someone. But the news of another team wanting Shanahan comes in a roundabout way, via an unnamed assistant coach who tells Schefter that Allen told the staff Shanahan is the No. 1 target, but that another team is in the hunt.

Of course, it might be that Allen is getting his information directly from Shanahan, who might be simply playing poker with Snyder and company.

If another team truly wants Shanahan, that team needs to make its plans known soon. Still, it doesn't appear that a deal will be done in the immediate future. Per Schefter, the meeting between Shanahan and Snyder is focusing on "organizational structure," not the amount of money Shanahan will be paid.

Then again, some are convinced that those details already have been worked out between Snyder's people and Shanahan's agent, Sandy Montag, who we're told attended the Monday night game against the Giants two weeks ago and sat in Snyder's suite.

Either way, Shanahan isn't officially the coach of the Redskins yet. Unless someone else jumps into the bidding, it's only a matter of time before he finalizes the deal.

But there's always a chance that he'll decide in the end to keep his $7 million Broncos buyout for 2010 and hang out in his 35,000-square-foot mansion and/or at the ritzy new steakhouse bearing his name that'll open later this week in Denver.

[Diceq]

More likely that Tom Walsh gets the gig over Mike:)

[Crow]

It could come to that. Don't make jokes.

[fade2black24]

Yeah I am sure Cable punted the ball because he knew the Ravens would run the ball down our throat and eat the clock.

That is the only logical reason for punting in that situation. :bugeye:

It was 4th and 11. If we don't convert Baltimore is very close to field goal range and game over. You have to punt there. With two timeouts and a two minute warning, you shut them down and they punt you get the ball at the 50 or even better. If Cable runs a play there is a very good chance Jamarcus gets sacked or gets picked. They used alot of play action with Jamarcus because hes solid at throwing out of playactions. You can't run play action out of 4th and 11.

That draw play killed us. I called it right before Baltimore snapped it. I knew it was coming. Cleveland killed Kirk Morrison with the draw last week. We should have known better. We could have stopped them and they punt from the 15.

[Raider Bill]

This is my early off season predictions:

* Neither Cable or JaMarcus will be here next year...

* Don't think Marshall will either if Cable is retained... I've heard he and Cable don't get along...

* The Gradkowski fans will be disappointed... I think we will aggressively pursue a veteran QB with a bunch of game experience be it via trade (Nabby) or FA signing (Vick)...

* Don't be surprised if we 1)Traded a mid round pick for Kerry Collins and the 1 year @ $5.5M due him and reunited him with Jim Fassell @ HC... 2)Keep JP Losman on as the #2 behind KC with Frye as the 3... Collins and JP would already be familiar with what Fassell does on O and the set up would allow Losman another year of polish under Fassell...


* Your starting OT's next year will be Mario Hendo and Langston Walker... No rhyme or reason other than a gut feeling, especially with me taking a shine to drafting Anthony Davis at 8 now that he has decided to declare early... I do however see Al either signing a guy like Shawn Andrews to play RG once the Eagles cut ties with him or drafting a power blocking guard like that big ass John Jerry from Ole Miss to line up next to Langston...

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we tried to move Gallery to one of the many teams that now use the ZBS cut system and replaced him with someone who would better fit the big, power based line that I think we'll transition back to, say maybe that Johnson kid from Bama... I also think that Satele is one and done if we can find an upgrade... Should the Bears and Olin Kruetz part ways, I know he'd love to play on the west coast... He's not as dominating as he once was, but he's a tough sumbitch still...

* I think Al will surprise the kids this year by drafting a couple of DT's, though maybe not the ones they want... I do believe that Gerald McCoy is just the kind of physical specimen that Al would really value high, though obviously the likelihood of him being around at 8 is slim at best...

* If I had to fill out my Lil Al now, Joe Haden and Dexter McCluster would fill the first two rounds...


If that first thing happens and Al doesn't draft another DB in the first, that's got win sauce all over it.

I fear another season of JR 1 hopping and overthrowing the ball all over the field.

[Xplosive]

bye bye cable.. hello Upgrade!


X

[raiderfreak7]

bye bye cable.. hello Upgrade!


X

Weren't you for Cable at the beginning of the year? Or am I mistaken?

[Xplosive]

Weren't you for Cable at the beginning of the year? Or am I mistaken?

yeah sure did.Timid but I supported the team, I was fooled like everyone... and King al.. he said " I can get this offensive line together, I can win with what we have, I have what i need".

He got his way, he controlled play calling duties, except some games.

he failed!

X

[DarthRaidor]

yeah sure did.Timid but I supported the team, I was fooled like everyone... and King al.. he said " I can get this offensive line together, I can win with what we have, I have what i need".

He got his way, he controlled play calling duties, except some games.

he failed!

X

What's the buzz on this X? Is Cable gone? Whose up to replace?

[raiderfreak7]

yeah sure did.Timid but I supported the team, I was fooled like everyone... and King al.. he said " I can get this offensive line together, I can win with what we have, I have what i need".

He got his way, he controlled play calling duties, except some games.

he failed!

X

He's had one year, essentially. Half of it with Jamarcus Russell as his quarterback. If Al keeps firing coaches who "fail" in their first full year with these fast and fat pieces of shits he keeps drafting high then it's we're going to be seeing a new coach every year. Can't wait!

[Diceq]

It was 4th and 11. If we don't convert Baltimore is very close to field goal range and game over. You have to punt there. With two timeouts and a two minute warning, you shut them down and they punt you get the ball at the 50 or even better. If Cable runs a play there is a very good chance Jamarcus gets sacked or gets picked. They used alot of play action with Jamarcus because hes solid at throwing out of playactions. You can't run play action out of 4th and 11.

That draw play killed us. I called it right before Baltimore snapped it. I knew it was coming. Cleveland killed Kirk Morrison with the draw last week. We should have known better. We could have stopped them and they punt from the 15.

We have gone for the 1st in similar situations...for example the 1st Charger game the 4th down pass to Murphy to take the lead

[fade2black24]

We have gone for the 1st in similar situations...for example the 1st Charger game the 4th down pass to Murphy to take the lead

I am very aware of that

We converted against denver on 4th down too

In the situation sunday there is still plenty of time left on the clock to get the ball back. that is the difference from the other scenarios

[fade2black24]

yeah sure did.Timid but I supported the team, I was fooled like everyone... and King al.. he said " I can get this offensive line together, I can win with what we have, I have what i need".

He got his way, he controlled play calling duties, except some games.

he failed!

X

can't wait to see who this upgrade is....

i hope we have a very detailed plan in place before we axe cable :shakehead:

[007]

We all know that guys like Shannahan, Billick, Gruden and Shottenheimer arent coming here.

We know we can't lure Leach, Harbaugh or Weiss here in any capacity whatsoever.

If it comes down to Gilbride and a bunch of jabronies or Cable and his jabronies, who the players seem to be behind, I'll take Cable.

[fade2black24]

If kevin gilbride or jim fassel come here to be head coach i'll throw up from disgust.

Fassel was let go in New York because he couldn't keep that team disciplined. That is why they brought in Coughlin to be the disciplinarian. Players would hit a new low.

Gilbride would be an absolute joke as a head coach. Very average coordinator and are true waste as a head coach.

Sometimes one of the most important aspects of a coach is the respect the players have for him. Look at McDaniels in Denver. McDaniels is one of the brightest young minds in football and the players gave up on him. Thats a team with many veteran leaders. Every coach in the NFL knows the X and O's of football. The players need to go to war for you. They need to respect and work their tails off for the coach.

[Xplosive]

What's the buzz on this X? Is Cable gone? Whose up to replace?


there was 1 meeting I know from early today with Al davis and others. no cable

here is the full line on Tom Cable. Cable came in here said "he could do the playoffs with the current roster". He didn't. Cable did not fix the offensive line when he had decisions, and power to do so. What will also take a small weight is that JaMarcus Russell is credited with 3 wins vs 2 wins over cables prefrence of qb's.. ( dont get mad it's the numbers, and NO I AM NOT DEFENDING RUSS IN ANY SHAPE, or FORM)


Overall cable made some horrible decisions that came back to bite him. Today a question was brought up on why is cable using running backs on kickoff returns when we have the fastest players on the field?. Also taking in consideration from the womens group. No controling the locker room.

Also cable did not do anything to get the line better, or consistant, due to the fact we had to have 4 quarterbacks on roster because of the physical beating they took behind that dismal offensive line. The regressing, and lack of consistant play by the offensive line. Tom cable said he was a offensive line coach he could handle the line. he did not fix that problem.

Cable simply didn't have this team, nor did he present any control, There are candidates that have shown interest in the head coaching job.

cable will have a moment to state why he should remain.

This season to me there is not enough good to out weigh the bad.

thats all I have

X

[Raidervinny]

there was 1 meeting I know from early today with Al davis and others. no cable

here is the full line on Tom Cable. Cable came in here said "he could do the playoffs with the current roster". He didn't. Cable did not fix the offensive line when he had decisions, and power to do so. What will also take a small weight is that JaMarcus Russell is credited with 3 wins vs 2 wins over cables prefrence of qb's.. ( dont get mad it's the numbers, and NO I AM NOT DEFENDING RUSS IN ANY SHAPE, or FORM)


Overall cable made some horrible decisions that came back to bite him. Today a question was brought up on why is cable using running backs on kickoff returns when we have the fastest players on the field?. Also taking in consideration from the womens group. No controling the locker room.

Also cable did not do anything to get the line better, or consistant, due to the fact we had to have 4 quarterbacks on roster because of the physical beating they took behind that dismal offensive line. The regressing, and lack of consistant play by the offensive line. Tom cable said he was a offensive line coach he could handle the line. he did not fix that problem.

Cable simply didn't have this team, nor did he present any control, There are candidates that have shown interest in the head coaching job.

cable will have a moment to state why he should remain.

This season to me there is not enough good to out weigh the bad.

thats all I have

X

Russell started 9 games and won 2. Grads started 4 games and won 2. Frye started 3 and won 1 (yes, Russell threw the game winner in the end but we all know Frye would have done the same damn thing). Not even Al would argue that 2 of 9 is better than 2 of 4...would he?

Cable is a better HC than anyone Al would hire so get ready for fewer wins next season if Cable is fired.

[Raidervinny]

We have gone for the 1st in similar situations...for example the 1st Charger game the 4th down pass to Murphy to take the lead

The Charger game was before we all found out just how bad Russell really is. Cable couldn't take the chance that the Big Dummy would stand in the pocket too long and give up another sack/fumble.

[doug7dust]

I got blackreign on my new iPhone fuck ya

[Xplosive]

Russell started 9 games and won 2. Grads started 4 games and won 2. Frye started 3 and won 1 (yes, Russell threw the game winner in the end but we all know Frye would have done the same damn thing). Not even Al would argue that 2 of 9 is better than 2 of 4...would he?

Cable is a better HC than anyone Al would hire so get ready for fewer wins next season if Cable is fired.

yea once again.. Russ got credit for that victory.( This is not about jamarcus russell, this is about the line. russell when he had protection had a solid game. but once again this is not about russ.) you can thank the under preforming offensive line for that. The penalties are just amazingly bad for a offensive line. Charlie Frye, Bruce Gradkowski, Jp Losman all where horrifically murdered behind that line. Bruce got ended early, frye couldnt make it for full games.

It was so bad that we couldnt even beat the browns.

It didnt matter who you where, you where not going to succeed behind this raiders inconsistant, and dismal O-line. Charlie fyle took a beating behind that line sunday. Michael bush couldnt get yards, a hole couldn't be open, or pass couldn't be completed without some kind of penalty.

Cable is a great people's person. A leader no. I'm Not against him. I just don't think he is qualified for this job. I supported hi,m but he never fully fixed the line. A real head coach can come in here and clean up this mess.

The Organization needs someone who has bigger balls, more fire, and knows what he is doing. Coaching with better decision making, and use of personel.

X

[raiderfreak7]

The Organization needs someone who has bigger balls, more fire, and knows what he is doing. Coaching with better decision making, and use of personel.

X

Well this organization has failed with Callahan, Turner, Shell, Kiffin, and now Cable. Why not try again, eh? If you really are apart of the organization I should just quit being a fan because your logic is whack.

[Johnny Friendly]

The Organization needs someone who has bigger balls, more fire, and knows what he is doing. Coaching with better decision making, and use of personel.

X

Who?

Bigger balls like Kiffin? More fire like Norval? Knows what he's doing like Shell?

Who is going to be an improvement over the guy whose system and players are already here?

The last Raiders coach that demonstrated those attributes was traded to Tampa Bay for a Super Bowl loss. No offense, but starting at the very top this franchise's front office has concretely demonstrated that it has no clue anymore about balls, fire, or competence, let alone the ability to recognize those attributes in a potential coaching hire. I can't think of anyone Al would hire that wouldn't be a lateral move at the absolute best.

[Xplosive]

Well this organization has failed with Callahan, Turner, Shell, Kiffin, and now Cable. Why not try again, eh? If you really are apart of the organization I should just quit being a fan because your logic is whack.

yes all previous hires have failed, Kiffin cant win in tennessee with his dad's help. Turner with a load of talent hasnt done anything yet, shell was way past his time. cable just is more lost it seemed.

I have faith that if cable went and took some classes or brought himself more aggressive then we would have been in a better situation.

X

[Raidermania12]

I supported him until he benched Russell. Then I started my vendetta against him.


X

;)

Seriously X you suck at judging our talent, can't say I trust you in saying whether someone else can. Only reason i can see for firing Cable at this time is Bill Cowher, John Gruden, or Mike Shannahan being available to us to hire on the spot. Othrwise this team risks destroying itself on an obscene level if it hires another Art Shell like dud.

[Xplosive]

;)

Seriously X you suck at judging our talent, can't say I trust you in saying whether someone else can. Only reason i can see for firing Cable at this time is Bill Cowher, John Gruden, or Mike Shannahan being available to us to hire on the spot. Othrwise this team risks destroying itself on an obscene level if it hires another Art Shell like dud.

holy crap, I did not type that above your quote. that quote above was made up. smh. there is no "vendetta" toward anyone

This is not about russell.

X

[raiderfreak7]

yes all previous hires have failed, Kiffin cant win in tennessee with his dad's help. Turner with a load of talent hasnt done anything yet, shell was way past his time. cable just is more lost it seemed.

I have faith that if cable went and took some classes or brought himself more aggressive then we would have been in a better situation.

X

Yes, and who hired EVERYONE of them? There's only one answer. Come on, you can do it. A...A....A....

[Raider Bill]

yea once again.. Russ got credit for that victory.( This is not about jamarcus russell, this is about the line. russell when he had protection had a solid game. but once again this is not about russ.) you can thank the under preforming offensive line for that. The penalties are just amazingly bad for a offensive line. Charlie Frye, Bruce Gradkowski, Jp Losman all where horrifically murdered behind that line. Bruce got ended early, frye couldnt make it for full games.

It was so bad that we couldnt even beat the browns.

It didnt matter who you where, you where not going to succeed behind this raiders inconsistant, and dismal O-line. Charlie fyle took a beating behind that line sunday. Michael bush couldnt get yards, a hole couldn't be open, or pass couldn't be completed without some kind of penalty.

Cable is a great people's person. A leader no. I'm Not against him. I just don't think he is qualified for this job. I supported hi,m but he never fully fixed the line. A real head coach can come in here and clean up this mess.

The Organization needs someone who has bigger balls, more fire, and knows what he is doing. Coaching with better decision making, and use of personel.

X

Wow, if you really do work there, then Al really has surrounded himself with a collection of idiots.

[fade2black24]

"A real coach"????

now there's a thought...

wtf has been going on around here for 7 years if thats the only problem we have? you would think it wouldn't take three quarters of decade to hire "a real coach"

this kind of talk drives me absolutely nuts

[Raidermania12]

holy crap, I did not type that above your quote. that quote above was made up. smh.

X

You're really perceptive.

there is no "vendetta" toward anyone

This is not about russell.
1.)Yes there is a vendetta, your opinion changed the moment he benched Russell. And your support of the next guy was apprehensive at best. IMO you're too much of an Al Davis homer, and not that much of a Raider homer.

2.)It's not about Cable either, it's about this team, and what's best for it. Can't say most of the guys we're likely to replace Cable with are "best for the team".

[Crow]

ITT: Silly people actually believe X is connected.

[Diceq]

yes all previous hires have failed, Kiffin cant win in tennessee with his dad's help. Turner with a load of talent hasnt done anything yet, shell was way past his time. cable just is more lost it seemed.

I have faith that if cable went and took some classes or brought himself more aggressive then we would have been in a better situation.

X

X-thanks for your insight-As always a good read.

Of course the big question is what would change from Cable to another guy? If Al will force his will, the job becomes a straightjacket at times.

2- The firing of so many coaches becomes an issue as to attracting that kind of talent.

Absent a new guy coming in with Czar (I hate that fucking word because we live in a republic) authority, we all have concerns about bringing in guys like Gilbride or Fassell.

What happened with McQustian? He just seemed to take up space after 2007

[fatdog]

ITT: Silly people actually believe X is connected.

After reading some of this shit, I'm starting to think he is the real "Al Davis" himself. No one else could possibly come up with this kind of shit day in and day out.

[Xplosive]

You're really perceptive.


1.)Yes there is a vendetta, your opinion changed the moment he benched Russell. And your support of the next guy was apprehensive at best. IMO you're too much of an Al Davis homer, and not that much of a Raider homer.

2.)It's not about Cable either, it's about this team, and what's best for it. Can't say most of the guys we're likely to replace Cable with are "best for the team".

no sir, My opinion changed after he never got the line together, sitting back and seeing charlie frye get mauled in the back field changed my opinion, watching Bruce go down and un able to continue. Thats what got me saying he never corrected the line


X

[Crow]

After reading some of this shit, I'm starting to think he is the real "Al Davis" himself. No one else could possibly come up with this kind of shit day in and day out.

Sure they can. You ever watch cable news? :D

[DonkeyKilla]

no sir, My opinion changed after he never got the line together, sitting back and seeing charlie frye get mauled in the back field changed my opinion, watching Bruce go down and un able to continue. Thats what got me saying he never corrected the line


X

you are stating that Cable had authority on draft picks and FA pick ups.
Tell me this is absolutely true and I'll agree he should be fired.
Saying you can make do with what you have when you have no choice is not really saying you can make what you got work...

[PDX Raider]

X- I have no idea if you're really affiliated with the team. I can only hope you're not, b/c if the the nonsense you spew here is a reflection of the team's "thinking" then the team is FUBAR beyond belief. Your analysis of the team is a bungle of contradictions. If, as you argue, no one could win here b/c of the mess of an offensive line, why exactly should Cable get fired?? He is not the moron who drafted DHB and Mitchell, when Monroe, Oher, and Raji were able. You seem to blame everything on the offensive line, and yet you expect that Cable should have somehow won more games with that line.

This team's faults lie with one person- Al Davis. If you personify the rest of the organization, then it's abundantly clear that he has surrounded himself with equally myopic employees-all of whom want to deflect blame anywhere but with themselves. Seriously, is it Cable's fault that Russell is fat, lazy, inaccurate, and generally loathed by his own teammates? Is it his fault that the rather than addressing the o-line (which you claim is the root of all problems), the jackass drafted a WR in the top 10 who can't CATCH THE BALL? Or is it Cable's fault that year after year this team drafts players who possess incredible physical abilities but lack football ability? Is it Cable's fault, that the defense plays (according to the most intelligent player on the defense) an predictable antiquated scheme?

Seriously, man, if you're affiliated with this team, do us all a favor at the next meeting. Tell everyone to look at the person to their right, and kick them right in the fucking nuts, b/c all of you should be terminated for cause- for egregious inexcusable incompetence.

Only then should anybody take anything you say seriously.

PDX

[DonkeyKilla]

Seriously, man, if you're affiliated with this team, do us all a favor at the next meeting. Tell everyone to look at the person to their right, and kick them right in the fucking nuts, b/c all of you should be terminated for cause- for egregious inexcusable incompetence.

Only then should anybody take anything you say seriously.


i'm going to print that up and frame it.

[RF34]

X- I have no idea if you're really affiliated with the team. I can only hope you're not, b/c if the the nonsense you spew here is a reflection of the team's "thinking" then the team is FUBAR beyond belief. Your analysis of the team is a bungle of contradictions. If, as you argue, no one could win here b/c of the mess of an offensive line, why exactly should Cable get fired?? He is not the moron who drafted DHB and Mitchell, when Monroe, Oher, and Raji were able. You seem to blame everything on the offensive line, and yet you expect that Cable should have somehow won more games with that line.

This team's faults lie with one person- Al Davis. If you personify the rest of the organization, then it's abundantly clear that he has surrounded himself with equally myopic employees-all of whom want to deflect blame anywhere but with themselves. Seriously, is it Cable's fault that Russell is fat, lazy, inaccurate, and generally loathed by his own teammates? Is it his fault that the rather than addressing the o-line (which you claim is the root of all problems), the jackass drafted a WR in the top 10 who can't CATCH THE BALL? Or is it Cable's fault that year after year this team drafts players who possess incredible physical abilities but lack football ability? Is it Cable's fault, that the defense plays (according to the most intelligent player on the defense) an predictable antiquated scheme?

Seriously, man, if you're affiliated with this team, do us all a favor at the next meeting. Tell everyone to look at the person to their right, and kick them right in the fucking nuts, b/c all of you should be terminated for cause- for egregious inexcusable incompetence.

Only then should anybody take anything you say seriously.

PDX

If Xplosive is who some of us presume him to be then I'd like to see him seriously respond to this post.

If he can't then I suggest that we should all seriously consider placing him on our ignore lists.

[Crow]

you are stating that Cable had authority on draft picks and FA pick ups.
Tell me this is absolutely true and I'll agree he should be fired.
Saying you can make do with what you have when you have no choice is not really saying you can make what you got work...

Kiffin said point blank that he couldn't win with this group, and he found himself unemployed and his contract not honored. What would we expect Cable to say?

Exxxxxxxactly.

(This is me pretending that X isn't just making shit up again)

[raiderfreak7]

ITT: Silly people actually believe X is connected.

Him pimping Heyward-Bey when virtually every Raider fan around here said, "no way, man" kind of made me think he has some connections. I also think he was calling the Mike Mitchell pick before the announcement was made. How high up are his connections? We'll never know.

[Raider Bill]

Seriously, man, if you're affiliated with this team, do us all a favor at the next meeting. Tell everyone to look at the person to their right, and kick them right in the fucking nuts, b/c all of you should be terminated for cause- for egregious inexcusable incompetence.

Only then should anybody take anything you say seriously.


i'm going to print that up and frame it.

LOL.

I don't think your connected, but if you do really work there,
He's right X you all do suck monster elephant cocks.

It shouldn't take 7 fucking years to turn around an NFL team. Need to ditch the Bell bottom pant and porkchop sideburn playbook.

[JohnQ]

A real head coach can come in here and clean up this mess.



Just let me know when we get one.

[Xplosive]

X- I have no idea if you're really affiliated with the team. I can only hope you're not, b/c if the the nonsense you spew here is a reflection of the team's "thinking" then the team is FUBAR beyond belief. Your analysis of the team is a bungle of contradictions. If, as you argue, no one could win here b/c of the mess of an offensive line, why exactly should Cable get fired?? He is not the moron who drafted DHB and Mitchell, when Monroe, Oher, and Raji were able. You seem to blame everything on the offensive line, and yet you expect that Cable should have somehow won more games with that line.

This team's faults lie with one person- Al Davis. If you personify the rest of the organization, then it's abundantly clear that he has surrounded himself with equally myopic employees-all of whom want to deflect blame anywhere but with themselves. Seriously, is it Cable's fault that Russell is fat, lazy, inaccurate, and generally loathed by his own teammates? Is it his fault that the rather than addressing the o-line (which you claim is the root of all problems), the jackass drafted a WR in the top 10 who can't CATCH THE BALL? Or is it Cable's fault that year after year this team drafts players who possess incredible physical abilities but lack football ability? Is it Cable's fault, that the defense plays (according to the most intelligent player on the defense) an predictable antiquated scheme?

Seriously, man, if you're affiliated with this team, do us all a favor at the next meeting. Tell everyone to look at the person to their right, and kick them right in the fucking nuts, b/c all of you should be terminated for cause- for egregious inexcusable incompetence.

Only then should anybody take anything you say seriously.

PDX

Phx if you really paid attention to my post, some other post in other forums, info that I did release. Then you would know I'm real. I have been on the draft, coaches, and other things thus far. Including telling everyone that "the 1st game of the season would be a dog fight", that" we would lose to the browns". That "The line is going to get Bruce killed".

Now all this I said to you, Al, and others. Cable allowed D.H-B that was his pick. Thats what he wanted. He stated that he could work the line. He said "he could win with this group". I have said this over and over, but some where you missed it.

Cable said he could work the line, when asked if he could get the O line to keep jamarcus up right, and consistant he didn't . Cable's strength was the biggest problem on the field. He had little control over the locker room, no control over the offensive line. his play calling was poor enough for him to release duties again after failing, and blaming others. he got players to play for him by allowing them to do what they wanted mostly. ( mind you in the mini camp and training camp cable said he was holding a quarterback school that applyed to all quarterbacks). not addressing the line. He allowed players to do as they pleased. The situation with the women beating. Cable was not ready to work for Al. he is a football guy, and a peoples person.

It was clear when there where 4 quarterbacks on this roster due to injuries behind that line. Losman got knocked out in his first appearance. Frye was distroyed physically in the games he played, even when he was moving the ball. Bruce was murdered, after running for his life, and keeping drives alive. Russell, well we all seen his play while behind that line. With blocking Russ showed he could be effective, but the inconsistancy of the line was something cable said he could handle. he relied on Cooper and Green. ( the wide outs where horrible with the line the first 8 weeks of the season no one can deny that they didn't look effective until Chaz came back).

Dont get mad at me. I'm not the head coach, I didn't make on field personnel decisions. I didn't come to Al, and say "I can win with this line, and this team dont worry". He promised the playoffs. The line didnt provide enough time for forced deep throws. (trying to please someone.). He didn't address the the biggest problem stuck with his guys Cooper, & Green, and u see the results. He had fullbacks returning kickoffs. He had Seabass attempting kicks from 60+ yards.

Cable maybe able to talk his way back in here since u like em so much. Remember he is a line coach, Tony sparano keeps his line aggressive. The Dolphins are a more competitive team every time. Cable took his eyes off the line, and they fell apart while he was worried about quarterbacks. (" the battle starts up front")

Quarterback is not the big problem here as I state again. Its the line.. Phx you are a good guy I respect your opinion. I understand your anger.

I know you dont agree with whats going on in Oakland. (no one does). The fact that you like many others including myself, and Al are tired of loosing. You guy's thoughts have been takin into consideration.

No I dont "dick ride" 1 indivisual I support the team. There are times fingers are pointed, out of anger during game time. I try to keep my composure and later realize its a team not 1 indivisual. On this it was all on the head coach. Who didnt have his offense, or special teams organized. He was not aggressive, and held all playcalling duties,and power ( cable was in over his head). When I tell u the guy we are getting ahead of time I been dead on. It's not "dick riding". Maybe I should say the name less. The fact of the matter is this. When people and a player sale themselves, and a player has a great combine like DHB (DHB FOR EXAMPLE) Had. The Raiders like alot of teams where sold on the fact he may have a Chris Johnson year for a receiver after a nice combine. DHB came to all camps, and things available to him. he didn't hold out. He was the first in every huddle, and gave his all when he was'nt double covered. No excuses he still dropped the ball ok. Take in consideraton so did Michael Huff (for 3 years) when he got here, so did fargas(4 years) when he got here, Gallery 5(years) was a swinging gate, Tyler brayton was a penalty man, Tommy kelly was considered the biggest pile of garbage next to Sands. So many names, but they got their stuff together in the end. Thats what counts is that they show up soon on the field. so it may take them a little longer to develop than others. They are still Raiders they are apart of the team you Love.

I hope this awnsers some of your questions. As for the Front office ,and personnel decisions, some changes will be made.



I will see what I can do as far as the little input I have. my connections are solid they have not let me down yet. smilez*

God bless

X

[Postmaster]

phx if you really paid attention to my post and some other post in other forums info that I did release. then you would know I'm real. I have been on the draft, coaches, and other things thus far. Including telling everyone that the 1st game of the season would be a dog fight, that we would lose to the browns. that The line is going to get bruce killed.

now all this I said to you, al, and others. Cable allowed DHB that was his pick. thats what he wanted. He stated that he could work the line he said he could win with this group. I have said this over and over, but some where you missed it.

cable said he could work the line, when asked if he could get the line to keep jamarcus up right, and consistant he didn't . cables strength was the biggest problem on the field. he had no control over the locker room, no control over the offensive line. his play calling was poor enough for him to release duties again after failing, and blaming others.

when its was clear that 4 quarterback where on this roster due to injuries behind that line. losman got knocked out in his first appearance. Frye was distroyed physically in the games he played even when he was moving the ball. Bruce was murdered, after running for his life and keeping drives alive. Russell well we all seen his play while behind that line. with blocking russ showed he could be effective, but the inconsistancy of the line was something cable said he could handle.

Dont get mad at me. I'm not the head coach, I didnt make personel decisions. I didn't come to al, and say "I can win with that line dont worry". he promised the playoffs with DHB. The line didnt provide enough time. he didnt address it he stuck with his guys cooper, and green and u see the results. he had Full backs returning kickoffs, he had seabass attempting kicks from 60+ yards.

but he maybe able to talk his way back in here since u like em so much. remember he is a line coach, tony sparano keeps his line aggressive and the dolphins are a contender every time. cable took his eyes off the line and they fell appart while he was worried about quarterbacks.

Quarterback is not the big problem here as I state again. its the line.. Phx you are a good guy I respect your opinion I understand your anger.

I know u dont agree with whats going on in oakland, and that you like many others including myself, and al are tired of loosing. you guys thought have been takin into consideration.

I will see what I can do as far as the lil imput I have. my connections are solid they havent let me down yet.

God bless

X

Do they have GED classes at the Alameda facility? Ya might consider signing up for one.





Love ya X.

[RaiderRobert]

Tired of all the same shit, thought I would start something new to gripe about. Anybody remember that guy Oren Oneil? WTF happened, and where is he now? Yes I know we rushed him back too soon cause numbnuts cut Lorenzo Neal too soon, and then Oneil fucked up his not ready knee. I know all that. Is he done? Where is he? Cause I'm looking at fullbacks in this draft to get our running game back on track. I'm thinking LaGarrete Blount from Oregon. He won't get drafted as a RB, maybe FA latch on somewhere but that's a big kid. 6'1" 250... Let's take a late round flyer on him and make him a fullback...

[Postmaster]

Tired of all the same shit, thought I would start something new to gripe about. Anybody remember that guy Oren Oneil? WTF happened, and where is he now? Yes I know we rushed him back too soon cause numbnuts cut Lorenzo Neal too soon, and then Oneil fucked up his not ready knee. I know all that. Is he done? Where is he? Cause I'm looking at fullbacks in this draft to get our running game back on track. I'm thinking LaGarrete Blount from Oregon. He won't get drafted as a RB, maybe FA latch on somewhere but that's a big kid. 6'1" 250... Let's take a late round flyer on him and make him a fullback...

Why not just draft a fullback?

[RaiderRobert]

Why not just draft a fullback?

That's no fun...

[Crow]

Him pimping Heyward-Bey when virtually every Raider fan around here said, "no way, man" kind of made me think he has some connections. I also think he was calling the Mike Mitchell pick before the announcement was made. How high up are his connections? We'll never know.

Every draftnik on the net and TV was talking about DHB to the Raiders way before the draft. Not hard to play the 40 yard dash game and score with this team.

[Crow]

Cable allowed DHB that was his pick.

Dunce caps and wooden stool for anyone buying this garbage.

[Xplosive]

Do they have GED classes at the Alameda facility? Ya might consider signing up for one.





Love ya X.

Ha ha
l sleepy bro. I will fix it tomorrow if I remember, but it will be torn out of context, and twisted up by time I finish responding to you. I'm not wearing my glasses either



Moving toward the future

X

[Xplosive]

Tired of all the same shit, thought I would start something new to gripe about. Anybody remember that guy Oren Oneil? WTF happened, and where is he now? Yes I know we rushed him back too soon cause numbnuts cut Lorenzo Neal too soon, and then Oneil fucked up his not ready knee. I know all that. Is he done? Where is he? Cause I'm looking at fullbacks in this draft to get our running game back on track. I'm thinking LaGarrete Blount from Oregon. He won't get drafted as a RB, maybe FA latch on somewhere but that's a big kid. 6'1" 250... Let's take a late round flyer on him and make him a fullback...


Blount looks nice. Oren's knees where distroyed. when it rains it pours in Oakland.

will one of the FB's from the panthers be a free agent this year, Im sure they know how to run block.

X

[Xplosive]

Dunce caps and wooden stool for anyone buying this garbage.

crow u complain about everything... even when we win...

head down

X

[Crow]

Not complaining. Mocking. Big difference.

[Xplosive]

Not complaining. Mocking. Big difference.

ha!

[YodasBeast]

Crow is a cranky bastard. Sarcasm, complaining, mocking, whining about why he has to reconnect his wires when the wind blows his hillbilly rabbit ears off the roof....its just a total package. :D

[Crow]

It ain't easy being me.

[NIPS]

It ain't easy being me.

Try being me and turning heads of every woman that walks past me on the street

[Xplosive]

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, January 6th, 2010 at 11:40 am in Oakland Raiders.

Conventional wisdom seems to be the Raiders ought to rip the bandage off the wound and be done with it.

Dump JaMarcus Russell, as of yesterday, when he apparently arrived at the Palms in Las Vegas to begin serious preparation for an offseason of conditioning and work study.

Before even getting into the fact that what goes on in Vegas surely doesn’t stay in Vegas, here are some of the thoughts about why the Raiders should end it with Russell:

– It’s better to admit the mistake now than to carry it in to 2010.

– It would placate a dwindling fan base which boos at the very sight of him. Russell’s face showed up on the big screen as he sat courtside at the Celtics-Warriors game and was booed. Judging from a number of e-mails, there are some fans who have no intention of renewing their season tickets if he’s still on the team.

– It would send a message that slackers aren’t tolererated _ regardless of their status in the draft or what they’ve been paid.

It’s so sensible. So logical. It just feels right.

It’s also off-the-charts wrong.

Let’s get into the economics, the cold numbers which rule just about everything. If the figures presented by the National Football Post’s Andrew Brandt are correct, and being that he’s a former NFL exec I’m assuming he’s seen the contract and understands it better than I ever could, the Raiders have guaranteed $3 million of a $9.45 million salary for 2010.

They’re going to pay that amount if they cut him or not. Salaries are paid through 17 weeks of the season, starting in Week 1. The Raiders can wait all the way up to the final cut to determine whether they want to pay out the rest of the $6.45 million.

Keep in mind the financial future is a little cloudy with no collective bargaining agreement. There may or may not be a salary cap, and if there is not, there has been talk of penalties for teams that dump huge salaries.

Keeping Russell on the roster at present won’t cost them a dime. They’d simply be dumping him out of anger for his disinterest and lack of production.

The alternative is to put it in the most blunt terms possible to Russell that he is on notice. When Tom Cable benched Russell, it was with the blessing of Al Davis. Surely he sees his investment is in trouble. Davis should demand Russell hire a personal trainer and drop a significant amount of weight. He weighed in at the NFL scouting combine at 265 but was 256 at his LSU workout two weeks later. That’s a good place to start.

Hit the film room hard. Back away from the party scene and nightlife. In other words, grow up and be an NFL quarterback.

If Russell fails to heed the warning, he can always be cut before the regular season begins. And frankly, having him around with minimal reps and then dumping him right before the eyes of his teammates as the regular approaches would send a better message throughout the locker room than doing it now when everyone has gone their separate ways.

The flip side is what if Russell finally gets it? As bad as those two turnovers were against the Ravens, didn’t anybody notice Russell looked better dropping back and throwing on target than at any time this season?

It’s not like Russell got any help from the running game or the Raiders inexperienced crew of wide receivers while he was the starter. It didn’t help that Chaz Schilens, the one wideout he connected with in camp, was lost with a broken foot and didn’t return to midseason.

Yes, the Vegas trip looks bad given that Russell was “excused” from the final team meeting. Richard Seymour was excused also, and if I remember correctly, neither Nnamdi Asomugha or Shane Lechler were around when the Raiders broke up after last season’s finale.

It’s a different perception with Russell because he’s not an established player and he doesn’t appear to have much support in the locker room. You’d rather have him upright and attentive, taking in everything there was to say about how the Raiders will attack next season.

But near as I can tell, he wasn’t actually in Vegas at the time of the meeting and he’s free to do as he wishes once the season is over. He’s an adult, if not exactly a mature adult. Rest assured Russell isn’t the only Raider or NFL player in Las Vegas at the moment.

This isn’t to be construed as a defense of Russell or a belief that he’ll attain the “greatness” Al Davis has predicted for him.

He looks to be cruising his Rolls Royce down the same road as Ryan Leaf, but not allowing him a chance to take one of the last exits with nothing financial at stake until September doesn’t make any sense.


keeping it moving

X

[Postmaster]

Gannon reaches out to the Raiders
January, 6, 2010
Jan 6

By Bill Williamson
Rich Gannon apparently is ready to let bygones be bygones with the Oakland Raiders.

Will Al Davis feel the same way?

Months after he was temporarily banned from the building of the team he led to the Super Bowl and won the NFL MVP award with seven years ago, Gannon has reached out to help the team.

“I did something yesterday that I can’t believe even I did,” Gannon said Wednesday on his Sirius NFL Radio show. “I picked up the phone and I reached out to Al Davis. So I called Mr. Davis, I have not spoken with him yet, but I’m happy to help out in any way I can. I’d love to help JaMarcus Russell if he wants help. I’d love to help Tom Cable and that organization. It’s important. Listen, seven straight seasons where they’ve lost 11 or more games? Something’s not right.”

Earlier this season, the Raiders banned Gannon, who was working as a television announcer, from their facility. The Raiders were upset about critical comments Gannon made about the team.

It will be interesting to see if Davis is open to listening to Gannon. My guess? Don’t count on it.

[Xplosive]

i just said the raider news would start running. I havent been here but 20 minutes wowl.

well more to come

Dont forget Raider fans, season passes will be worth it this up coming season support your team, also visit the raiders shop for goodies!



X

[raiderfreak7]

i just said the raider news would start running. I havent been here but 20 minutes wowl.

well more to come

Dont forget Raider fans, season passes will be worth it this up coming season support your team, also visit the raiders shop for goodies!



X

Um. No.

[Raider Bill]

i just said the raider news would start running. I havent been here but 20 minutes wowl.

well more to come

Dont forget Raider fans, season passes will be worth it this up coming season support your team, also visit the raiders shop for goodies!



X

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/lol.gif

[Crow]

Um. No.
^

[Crow]

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/lol.gif

That thing is a trip when you've got a buzz.

[doug7dust]

Josh Cribbs is insulted by Clevelands latest offer and is threatening to leave the team per Rotoworld.


Guys this is the guy we need. Explosive kick returner and contributor on offense in a few spots. Excellent special teamer as well. Give him Javon, Nick or JLH's spot on our Roster and we are instantly upgraded.

at the trade deadline the Raiders were linked to Cribbs in trade rumors, so there is interest there in this guy, if we can land one of these coaches that have been talked about here by lang and X(Harbaugh, Gruden, Billick) Cribbs could come.

[Crow]

When Fabs was on the trade block, there was a widely spread rumor that Cleveland had offered up Cribbs and a 4th round pick. In the end, Al managed to get a 4th round pick from Baltimore.

Um...fuck.

[doug7dust]

Shit, Cribbs would take up 2 roster spots himself, being that he returns punts AND kicks and at a very high level. we got to jump all over him if he becomes available

[NIPS]

My doctor says I need a laxitive!!!

Not in my store you dont

[Raider Bill]

My doctor says I need a laxitive!!!

Not in my store you dont

Give me a bottle of anything, and a glazed donut...... TO GO!

[Crow]

Twitter trolling opportunity...
FABEWASH31

Have yall ever seen a football player that looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane? LMAO
Mr53

@FABEWASH31 I'm very curious as to what names your Tweet followers mentioned
kirkmorrison52

@FABEWASH31 I want to know too.

[doug7dust]

per rotoworld, cribbs agent will request trade formally, and said cribbs will never set foot in the building again.

if your going to make a trade this is one to make al

[RaiderRobert]

per rotoworld, cribbs agent will request trade formally, and said cribbs will never set foot in the building again.

if your going to make a trade this is one to make al

Wonder what it would take? They won't pay him like an elite player, but when it comes to trade value, I bet they would all of a sudden consider him an elite player...

[doug7dust]

well we do got an extra third rounder from New England this year.. maybe that a defensive player that rob ryan loves like hiram eugene lol

[CrossBones]

Twitter trolling opportunity...You're a better man than I if you can stomach that nonsense that both Morrision and Howard spew on their Twitter pages. I stop following them both a couple of months ago. We get pile driven by 30 points and all they can Tweet about is where they're going to dinner. :oops:

[YodasBeast]

Try being me and turning heads of every woman that walks past me on the street

The Elephant man used to turn the head of every woman that walked past him on the street as well. Just sayin'...

[fatdog]

"Rocky Nips Mcquiston"

[MasterRaider]

Jim Harbaugh a "stealth" candidate for Bills, Raiders jobs
Posted by Mike Florio on January 7, 2010 2:58 PM ET

There has been some speculation that the Buffalo Bills (who don't currently have a head coach) and the Oakland Raiders (who currently do) could be interested in hiring Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh.

A league source tells us that it's more than speculation; the brother of Ravens coach John Harbaugh is, we're told, a "stealth" candidate for both jobs.

Secrecy is critical (oops) because Jim Harbaugh currently is in the midst of recruiting season. If Harbaugh acknowledges that he's a candidate for any job other than the one he has, his recruits will scatter like members of the Cardinal band in the end zone of a game that isn't yet over.

For any college coach plotting a move, the news needs to come swiftly or not at all, and Harbaugh will have to use the "I'm not going to be the Alabama coach" routine until, you know, he ultimately becomes the Alabama coach.

(Then again, there's a chance that Jim Harbaugh is already the Baltimore coach.)

In NFL coaching circles, neither the Bills job nor the Raiders job is regarded as incredibly attractive. But the reality is that there are only 32 jobs in NFL head-coaching circles, and Jim Harbaugh simply doesn't strike us as a guy who is destined to spend his career as a college head coach. With his brother making it to the playoffs twice in his first two seasons with the Ravens, the interest in the Harbaugh who was a pretty good pro quarterback only will increase.

[Crow]

You're a better man than I if you can stomach that nonsense that both Morrision and Howard spew on their Twitter pages. I stop following them both a couple of months ago. We get pile driven by 30 points and all they can Tweet about is where they're going to dinner. :oops:

Just lets you know where their heads are. No accountability at all. None publicly, for sure.

[eleven]

A league source tells us that it's more than speculation; the brother of Ravens coach John Harbaugh is, we're told, a "stealth" candidate for both jobs.


What kind of hit rate does Florio have on these things?

Man it would suck if Al loses Jim H. to Buffalo over a few sheckels.

Al ..... Pay that man.

[Langlier]

A league source tells us that it's more than speculation; the brother of Ravens coach John Harbaugh is, we're told, a "stealth" candidate for both jobs.


What kind of hit rate does Florio have on these things?

Man it would suck if Al loses Jim H. to Buffalo over a few sheckels.

Al ..... Pay that man.

if the money is even close then Harbaugh comes here - he love California and he's a raiders guy. no history in buffalo

[Crow]

No history in Buffalo. No control in Oakland. Hard to win with either franchise.

My money says he stays at Stanford.

[JohnQ]

Seems we talked about this awhile back.Doesn't Stanford provide (not sure how they mean that) him a house in Palo Alto somewhere too ?

[doug7dust]

Jim Harbaugh a "stealth" candidate for Bills, Raiders jobs
Posted by Mike Florio on January 7, 2010 2:58 PM ET

There has been some speculation that the Buffalo Bills (who don't currently have a head coach) and the Oakland Raiders (who currently do) could be interested in hiring Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh.

A league source tells us that it's more than speculation; the brother of Ravens coach John Harbaugh is, we're told, a "stealth" candidate for both jobs.

Secrecy is critical (oops) because Jim Harbaugh currently is in the midst of recruiting season. If Harbaugh acknowledges that he's a candidate for any job other than the one he has, his recruits will scatter like members of the Cardinal band in the end zone of a game that isn't yet over.

For any college coach plotting a move, the news needs to come swiftly or not at all, and Harbaugh will have to use the "I'm not going to be the Alabama coach" routine until, you know, he ultimately becomes the Alabama coach.

(Then again, there's a chance that Jim Harbaugh is already the Baltimore coach.)

In NFL coaching circles, neither the Bills job nor the Raiders job is regarded as incredibly attractive. But the reality is that there are only 32 jobs in NFL head-coaching circles, and Jim Harbaugh simply doesn't strike us as a guy who is destined to spend his career as a college head coach. With his brother making it to the playoffs twice in his first two seasons with the Ravens, the interest in the Harbaugh who was a pretty good pro quarterback only will increase.


Harbaugh would be a great hire for us... Marc Trestman's name is coming up again. If we can get Harbaugh in here, Trestman would be an awesome OC for us and would have a gannon clone here in Gradkowski, if we choose to resign him.

We all know Al wants Harbaugh, i wonder if/when the two meet for a formal interview, If Jim says he will come here if he has his choice of QB, would Al do it? Jim has seemed to be Al's guy for a few years now and its well known that Al has much respect for his as does Jim for Al.

Maybe Al could counter with, IF we can get Jamarcus to restructure, you can have your Qb as long as Russell is on roster and gets a shot.

[Raidervinny]

Harbaugh would be a great hire for us... Marc Trestman's name is coming up again. If we can get Harbaugh in here, Trestman would be an awesome OC for us and would have a gannon clone here in Gradkowski, if we choose to resign him.

We all know Al wants Harbaugh, i wonder if/when the two meet for a formal interview, If Jim says he will come here if he has his choice of QB, would Al do it? Jim has seemed to be Al's guy for a few years now and its well known that Al has much respect for his as does Jim for Al.

Maybe Al could counter with, IF we can get Jamarcus to restructure, you can have your Qb as long as Russell is on roster and gets a shot.

Lemme tell ya how that little scenario is gonna play out:

Al interviews Harbaugh
Al offerst Harbaugh the job
Harbaugh accepts
Al then changes the contract terms
Harbaugh declines offer
Harbaugh comes out and says he turned down the job
Herrera comes and says that's not true...Al never offered him the job
Harbaugh makes the mistake of repeating that yes, he was offered the job
Harbaugh joins Gannon in being banned from the Raiders facilities
Al hires Fassel and claims this was the guy he wanted all along and will return the Raiders to glory and turn Russell into the 2nd coming of John Elway
We go through the same thing again in 2011, just with different names
We go through the same thing again in 2012 just with different names
2012 is the End of Days so we are spared from having to go through this again in 2013

[CrossBones]

Who's Al gonna interview to satisfy the Roonie Rule?

Probably the good old standby Lofton.

[Madturk]

Who's Al gonna interview to satisfy the Roonie Rule?

Probably the good old standby Lofton.

Or Winston Moss. What a freaking joke that is.

[Madturk]

per rotoworld, cribbs agent will request trade formally, and said cribbs will never set foot in the building again.

if your going to make a trade this is one to make al

That is unbelievable and I just heard him on Rome a few weeks ago and the guy sounded like the consummate team guy, loved Cleveland and their fans. Unless his contract demands were ridiculously absurd, I see no reason why Cleveland wouldn't give him a fair offer. I'm sure when it's all said and done, he'll remain a Brown.

[RaiderRobert]

Send over Morrison and Higgins and a 5th for Cribbs and Shaun Rogers.

[Madturk]

send over morrison and higgins and a 5th for cribbs and shaun rogers.

lol

[CrossBones]

In the end Cleveland is going to pay Cribbs. Holmgren isn't stupid. They certainly have no business letting their best player walk out of there.

Even though Cribbs says he's never playing another down for the Browns we all know how that goes. Anquan Boldin ;)

[Postmaster]

Lemme tell ya how that little scenario is gonna play out:

Al interviews Harbaugh
Al offerst Harbaugh the job
Harbaugh accepts
Al then changes the contract terms
Harbaugh declines offer
Harbaugh comes out and says he turned down the job
Herrera comes and says that's not true...Al never offered him the job
Harbaugh makes the mistake of repeating that yes, he was offered the job
Harbaugh joins Gannon in being banned from the Raiders facilities
Al hires Fassel and claims this was the guy he wanted all along and will return the Raiders to glory and turn Russell into the 2nd coming of John Elway
We go through the same thing again in 2011, just with different names
We go through the same thing again in 2012 just with different names
2012 is the End of Days so we are spared from having to go through this again in 2013

Hey that story sounds vaguely familiar. Where have I heard it before? :shakehead:

[Madturk]

Hey that story sounds vaguely familiar. Where have I heard it before? :shakehead:

Unfortunately it will probably play out something like that.

[Crow]

Who's Al gonna interview to satisfy the Roonie Rule?

Probably the good old standby Lofton.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Vgv1ZrLIwWg/SFuUuou3AxI/AAAAAAAAAhA/e-_UNMDtVC4/s320/token1.png

[EZRaider]

I'm officially starting a bandwagon for the draft.

McLain, McCoy, and Wisnewski!

Go get them, Al!

(Course, we need more early round or FA OL help, too.)

[Black Sunday]

Russell sucks!!!!!

[Crow]

Any other revelations you'd like to share while you're here?

[EZRaider]

Best nickname I've heard is "JaMarsha" from our UPS driver.

Sorry for the digression...

[CrossBones]

Russell sucks!!!!!Dumbass. Get lost.

[Postmaster]

Russell sucks!!!!!

Chud back in business?

[Crow]

Chud usually had more to say. This looks more like an old school ESPN refugee.

[sportzfan76]

Russell sucks!!!!!



Son of Fang ?

[Freakshow]

Best nickname I've heard is "JaMarsha" from our UPS driver.

Sorry for the digression...

I'm partial to JaGustus :pound:

[Crow]

Son of Fang ?

Fang would have snapped on someone by now. I think this guy is just a run of the mill human defect.

[JohnQ]

Fang ??? OMG.i had forgotten about him.Kind like Crow to the 99th power.

:neener:

[raiderfreak7]

In the end Cleveland is going to pay Cribbs. Holmgren isn't stupid. They certainly have no business letting their best player walk out of there.

Even though Cribbs says he's never playing another down for the Browns we all know how that goes. Anquan Boldin ;)

Cribbs has three years left on his contract. He has absolutely no leverage.

[hawaiianboy]

Lemme tell ya how that little scenario is gonna play out:

Al interviews Harbaugh
Al offerst Harbaugh the job
Harbaugh accepts
Al then changes the contract terms
Harbaugh declines offer
Harbaugh comes out and says he turned down the job
Herrera comes and says that's not true...Al never offered him the job
Harbaugh makes the mistake of repeating that yes, he was offered the job
Harbaugh joins Gannon in being banned from the Raiders facilities
Al hires Fassel and claims this was the guy he wanted all along and will return the Raiders to glory and turn Russell into the 2nd coming of John Elway
We go through the same thing again in 2011, just with different names
We go through the same thing again in 2012 just with different names
2012 is the End of Days so we are spared from having to go through this again in 2013



You should hire out to be the opening act up for funerals... Get the crowd good and ready to be miserable...

[Crow]

Fang ??? OMG.i had forgotten about him.Kind like Crow to the 99th power.

:neener:

:mad:

[Raidervinny]

You should hire out to be the opening act up for funerals... Get the crowd good and ready to be miserable...

Just trying to keep things real. Hate to see all these Raider fans getting their hopes up for nothing. Al is never going to do any of the things folks on this site wish would happen. He would rather lose his way than win somone else's.

[Freakshow]

Just trying to keep things real. Hate to see all these Raider fans getting their hopes up for nothing.

Vincent, I'd rather have my hopes dashed than never get them up in the first place. Tough to live without some sort of hope in this world.

[doug7dust]

things are awfully quiet this week

[doug7dust]

check out my mock draft in the war room

[doug7dust]

Raiders Still Considering Harbaugh: Reports
By JOE KUKURA
Updated 9:45 AM PST, Sun, Jan 10, 2010

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Getty Images That short reprieve on your possible firing is putting no stop to rumors of who they might replace you with, Tom Cable. Several of the most plugged-in NFL gossipmongers are breaking reports that the Oakland Raiders are still considering Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh, should they dump Cable.

ProFootballTalk.com's head snoop Mike Florio hears the Raiders are mulling Harbaugh for their head coaching position, as are the Buffalo Bills. NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora hears the same, with the "Raiders particularly worth monitoring."

Before his three seasons at Stanford, Harbaugh had been a offensive assistant coach on the 2002 Raiders team that went to the Super Bowl. Harbaugh is said to still have a very warm relationship with Mr. Davis.

The ProFootballTalk report describes Harbaugh as a "steath" candidate, meaning his Stanford recruitment efforts would prohibit the Raiders from publicly acknowledging that they were interviewing or pursuing him.

LaCanfora's report ends ominously with, "Harbaugh has been doing research and preparing should an opportunity arise." So that Stanford contract extension through 2014 Harbaugh signed recently may or may not be worth the paper it's printed on.

Harbaugh coached Stanford to an 8-5 season and a Sun Bowl appearance this year.

[hawaiianboy]

Great now my nipples are hard and the trouser python restless...

[Postmaster]

Before you get too excited, this is from Nov. 2008.

Sounds like Jim Harbaugh is Al Davis’ clear choice, if Harbaugh wants to be a Raider

Posted by Tim Kawakami on November 4th, 2008 at 8:39 am | Categorized as College football, NBA, Raiders, Stanford

Obviously, as I’ve explained to Harbaugh myself, the very act of me typing this scuttlebutt almost certainly makes Al Davis ill and 99% determined to do anything except what I’m about to type…

And yet, I don’t think AD can help himself. The pull is too strong.

After months of me typing about Harbaugh and the Raiders as a very likely marriage coming up soon, I heard yesterday yet again from a good source that it is generally assumed within NFL/college coaching circles that:

* Stanford Coach Jim Harbaugh is guaranteed a very long and warm talk with Al Davis–and probably an offer to become the next Raiders coach–this December or January.

My source, who has been very reliable in the past and yesterday repeated the Harbaugh-Raiders talk I’ve heard for almost a year now, only had one caveat: “Everybody knows Al loves Harbaugh, but why would Harbaugh want that job? He could wait at Stanford a little longer and get a real job.”

But here’s where I can add: Harbaugh loves Al. That’s what makes this magic.

OK, I guess I have to say it: Tom Cable is a good man who happens to be a dead interim coach walking.

Cable had zero chance of being asked to stick beyond December when he took the interim gig and, after minus-2 yards in the first half against Atlanta, Cable is so long gone that Al’s lieutenants don’t even have to bother to back-stab him.

The search has already started, is what I’m saying. And Harbaugh is by far the lead candidate–he’ll only get taken off of Al’s board if Al hates the fact that Harbaugh’s name is out there.

But Al can’t resist Harbaugh, an energetic, NFL lifer with a great QB background who might inject some life and fire into JaMarcus Russell before the Raiders ruin him forever.

Plus Harbaugh is playing physical football at Stanford–and Al loves that, too.

Will Harbaugh take the job if it’s offered? He probably shouldn’t. That’s a coaching graveyard there at Harbor Bay Parkway, and Harbaugh can wait for a better Pac-10 job or see if a Big 10 job pops loose or get to a big bowl and jump to a decent NFL gig.

As long as he can get 6 or 7 wins a year at Stanford, his profile will only rise and rise. He doesn’t need the Raider headache.

But Harbaugh loves the Raiders and loves Al even more. He just does. There’s chemistry there.

Every decent coach in the sport runs away from Al like he’s the Devil Incarnate, and for some that he has hired, that’s exactly who He is.

But Harbaugh coached on the offensive staff for two years in Oakland, that’s where he got his NFL coaching start. He has a powerful personality that connected with AD from the start. Harbaugh still goes out of his way to praise AD and nuzzle up to the Legend and Image of the Greatness.

Just last month, Harbaugh broke into a huge smile when I brought up his relationship with Al. I don’t think Harbaugh could resist this, as long as Al gives him enough money and they can figure out what to do at defensive coordinator.

Does Harbaugh like Rob Ryan? Somebody else? That’s where the serious negotiations will take place. But I think it all can be worked out.

–I hate to point out that I had Harbaugh pegged to Stanford two years ago. Crazy how that happens.

Now I’ve got to get my sources working on another one: Who’s Stanford going to hire to replace Harbaugh?

Right now, it’s all so obvious that even I can see it. Sorry, Al.

[doug7dust]

well guys monday is the day it all begins, Davis will meet with Cable and his staff and i think already know that cable will be relieved. i just hope thst Al has done some good work this week getting a feel for guys who actually are better candidates then Cable and has a guy in mind who will come here.

[007]

If Cable isnt here, I think it will be Gilbride.

We lose on that deal, IMO.

If we luck out and get Harbaugh, who didnt join us last time and just signed a five year extension...I'll be excited again.

[CrossBones]

Raiders Still Considering Harbaugh: Reports

breaking reports that the Oakland Raiders are still considering Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh

ProFootballTalk.com's head snoop Mike Florio hears the Raiders are mulling Harbaugh for their head coaching position

This makes it sound like the decision is to hire Harbaugh is the Raiders' and the Raiders' alone.

Fact is Harbaugh isn't likely to accept the position even IF it was offered. Same 'ol. Same 'ol.

[Madturk]

Well when Harbaugh was linked to the Kansas Jayhawk job about a month or so ago, he would have received something like double what he was making at Stanford. Harbaugh was only making 750k before they extended his deal. Al could probably pay him in the neighborhood of 2 to 2.5 mill and it would probably be a nice raise over what he's getting at Stanford.

Where you run into problems with AL is guaranteeing anything past two years and the obvious control over roster, coaches and drafting a HC would want. I'm not losing sleep over it.

[TheMadStork]

Well when Harbaugh was linked to the Kansas Jayhawk job about a month or so ago, he would have received something like double what he was making at Stanford. Harbaugh was only making 750k before they extended his deal. Al could probably pay him in the neighborhood of 2 to 2.5 mill and it would probably be a nice raise over what he's getting at Stanford.

Where you run into problems with AL is guaranteeing anything past two years and the obvious control over roster, coaches and drafting a HC would want. I'm not losing sleep over it.

Al's "guarantees" aren't worth the breath they're spoken with, either. Al most likely starts a "for cause" list on the day he hires a coach so he won't have to pay any "guaranteed" money when he fires the dumb SOB.

You'd have to be stupid to come work for Al and crazy to trust him.

[MasterRaider]

Report: Davis will tell Cable he's fired today
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 11, 2010 11:10 AM ET

Citing unnamed "people up and down the organizational chart," the San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis will meet with coach Tom Cable today "to discuss all the reasons he'll get fired."

According to the Chronicle, the only question is whether Cable will be fired for cause.

Last week it was reported that Davis was likely to fire Cable. For his part, however, Cable described himself as "pretty sure" he'd return as the Raiders' coach for the 2010 season.

The truth is, no one knows what Davis will do. But if Cable is pretty sure he's going to remain the Raiders' coach, he's the only one.

[doug7dust]

just seen that... just do it already al so we can move foward, or backward which ever way you want

[Tokin' Minority]

I can't say that I'm surprised.
At any aspect of this news, which there are plenty.
I just don't see what the old man thinks he is gonna get,
so long as he continues involving himself the way he does.
Looking for his "Favre" moment or somethin'....
G.M. with Brains and a Coach with a spine.
Fuck You, I too, have a dream.

[CrossBones]

Reid says McNabb his starter in 2010

Associated Press

PHILADELPHIA -- Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid says Donovan McNabb will be the team's quarterback next season.

McNabb's status was questioned because he has one year left on his contract and he's failed to lead Philadelphia to a Super Bowl victory in 11 seasons.

"That's my call," Reid said Monday when asked who will make the decision to bring McNabb back. "I think he's a great player. His work over the last 11 years has proven that. I truly believe it's a team sport; it's not one guy."

McNabb had one of his finest seasons, but struggled badly in consecutive losses to Dallas. The Cowboys beat the Eagles 34-14 Saturday night in an NFC wild-card playoff game.

After the loss, McNabb said he wanted to return to Philadelphia.Next. Hello Michael Vick. Something has to give in Philly. Al's sitting underneath the table waiting for scraps to drop.

[Raidervinny]

Next. Hello Michael Vick. Something has to give in Philly. Al's sitting underneath the table waiting for scraps to drop.

Michael Vick and Kevin Gilbride...yech...I'd rather stick with Cable and Gradkowski.

[doug7dust]

espn is hella linking us to Vick on the insider rumor mill. were the favorites to land him in a trade apparently

[Diceq]

Michael Vick and Kevin Gilbride...yech...I'd rather stick with Cable and Gradkowski.

OMG what is a worst case scenario that is...
Vick and Russell with Gilbride saying boys will boys.

Gilbride did such a nice job with Leaf...

[Raider Bill]

Next. Hello Michael Vick. Something has to give in Philly. Al's sitting underneath the table waiting for scraps to drop.

Not so fast. If Philadelphia is going to try and make McNabb play out a lame duck year, it's going to get real ugly real quick IMO.

[Madturk]

espn is hella linking us to Vick on the insider rumor mill. were the favorites to land him in a trade apparently

He has like $5mill due him in 2010 so that would have to be addressed first. I don't think anyone in there right mind is going to pay him that kind of coin, beside Al maybe:p

[Raider Bill]

I just cant see management not shaking something up drastically in Philadelphia.

I still believe McNabb is gone if they can get something decent for him.

[Postmaster]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/01/10/seymour-wants-out-of-oakland

• There apparently were some talks about a contract extension for DRE Richard Seymour during the season, but the Raiders were unable to get close to serious negotiations, and observers in Oakland say it's clear that Seymour wants to play for a different team in 2010. He's said to be very aware that he'll receive the franchise tag this offseason if no long-term deal is worked out.

[Postmaster]

From Tim Suzukikawasaki's Twitter page talking about potential new coach

Hint: Al obsesses over USC football... and the teams that recently beat the Trojans.

That would be Harbaugh as Stanford wupped up on USC.

Sounds like what I've heard RT @CamInman Heard name of potential successor to Cable. don't know whether to laugh, cry for new guy or smile

[Madturk]

This is the first I'm hearing about this. I'd consider the source. PFW is reporting it but none of the beat writers have?:rolleyes:

[doug7dust]

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, January 11th, 2010 at 12:37 pm in Oakland Raiders.

No news out of Alameda as yet, where coach Tom Cable is supposed to meet with Al Davis and presumably be informed his tenure as the 17th coach of the Raiders has ended after winning nine times in 28 games.


Of course, events seldom transpire in a timely manner where the Raiders are concerned.

Raiders senior executive John Herrera said “it’s been a very quiet day” and wasn’t aware of a meeting between Davis and Cable today.

During his season-ending press conference, the day after a 21-13 loss to Baltimore, Cable said he talked to Davis that morning and added “We’ll talk again next week.”

When asked if it would be Monday, Cable said, “Sometime next week.”

Will check in with more information as (or if) it becomes available . . .

[fade2black24]

What a pain in the ass it is waiting for Al to make decisions

Its not like the the decision isn't already made

Pull the trigger, Al.

[Madturk]

Raiders senior executive John Herrera said “it’s been a very quiet day” and wasn’t aware of a meeting between Davis and Cable today.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLyyPCbxnIU

[Raider Bill]

From Tim Suzukikawasaki's Twitter page talking about potential new coach



That would be Harbaugh as Stanford wupped up on USC.

We're not getting Harbaugh. My guess is Stanford OC David Shaw (son of Willie)


http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/stan/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/893806.jpeg

Coaching Career
2007-08 • Stanford, Offensive Coordinator/Wide Receivers
2006 • San Diego, Wide Receivers/Passing Game Coordinator
2002-05 • Baltimore Ravens, Wide Receivers (2005), Quarterbacks/Wide Receivers (2002-04)
1998-2001 • Oakland Raiders, Quarterbacks (2001), Quality Control (1998-2000)
1997 • Philadelphia Eagles, Quality Control
1995-96 • Western Washington, Tight Ends (1996), Outside Linebackers (1995)

[Raidervinny]

We're not getting Harbaugh. My guess is Stanford OC David Shaw (son of Willie)


http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/stan/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/893806.jpeg

Coaching Career
2007-08 • Stanford, Offensive Coordinator/Wide Receivers
2006 • San Diego, Wide Receivers/Passing Game Coordinator
2002-05 • Baltimore Ravens, Wide Receivers (2005), Quarterbacks/Wide Receivers (2002-04)
1998-2001 • Oakland Raiders, Quarterbacks (2001), Quality Control (1998-2000)
1997 • Philadelphia Eagles, Quality Control
1995-96 • Western Washington, Tight Ends (1996), Outside Linebackers (1995)

That's a lot more likely. Poor guy, I wonder if Stanford will hire him back next year when Al fires him 'for cause'?

[hawaiianboy]

We're not getting Harbaugh. My guess is Stanford OC David Shaw (son of Willie)


I've had him as the guy Harbaugh brings with him as his OC for awhile now ::gives the doubters the finger:: ... Sharp mofo... Hell Harbaugh has brought him everywhere else...

[fatdog]

I've had him as the guy Harbaugh brings with him as his OC for awhile now ::gives the doubters the finger:: ... Sharp mofo... Hell Harbaugh has brought him everywhere else... I asked this in another thread but could he be Cables OC, or is Cable a done deal?

[Raider Bill]

Well I'm only going by past precident.

Al doesnt aim that high.

When he wanted a Ryan, we got the retarded one.

When he wanted a USC guy, we got the guy a rung below the guy he actually wanted.

The obvious move here is to go after Harbaugh, but we'll try and get the generic version.


http://www.brandweek.com/bw/photos/stylus/87245-PrivateLabel_large.jpg

Either that or pull a coach out of the bargain bin, next to the dusty Fleetwood Mac Rumors vinyl.

[fade2black24]

I asked this in another thread but could he be Cables OC, or is Cable a done deal?

Only time will tell. Nobody knows until Al has his press conference.

[doug7dust]

On Cable, only Al Davis knows what Al Davis will do
Posted by Mike Florio on January 11, 2010 8:17 PM ET
Though some believe that the report of a Tom Cable termination on Monday must have been off the mark, keep in mind that it's not long after 5:00 p.m. in California, and that owner Al Davis supposedly arrives at the office at 4:30 p.m.

In the end, however, Cable's status will be determined by one person and one person only -- Davis himself.

Per a league source, Davis currently consults with senior executive John Herrera, director of college scouting Jon Kingdon, and general counsel Jeff Birren. That trio primarily tells Davis what they think Davis wants to hear. So if Davis wants to fire Cable, they'll support it. And if Davis doesn't want to fire Cable, they'll support it.

The involvement of Birren suggests that, if Cable is fired, he'll depart with "cause," blocking him from future payments unless he can persuade NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to rule that Cable had done nothing to discredit the club and/or to breach his contract.

In support of a termination with cause, the Raiders surely would point to the August 2009 incident with former defensive assistant Randy Hanson and the controversy involving multiple women who claim that Cable roughed them up.

If that happens, Cable would be the second straight Raiders coach to be canned for cause.

And it likely will be a while (if ever) before Cable gets paid; the grievance filed by Lane Kiffin after his termination in September 2008 is still pending, more than 15 months after the fact.

[doug7dust]

CABLE, DAVIS MEETING IN LIMBO










RaiderBeat.com Staff Report









Raiders coach Tom Cable said one week ago that he and Al Davis were scheduled to meet this week. It appears as if Monday isn’t the day that Cable will find out from Davis whether he carries on as coach and packs up and hits the unemployment line.
Several Internet reports said that the planned meeting was set for Monday. Either something changed or those reports relied upon unreliable sources. As of Monday evening, Cable and Davis had not met.
Team executive John Herrera said that all was quiet on the Raiders front in Alameda, Calif., and that he isn’t sure why people were fixated on Monday being the day.
Davis is known to do things at his own pace and not in a manner that matches the timetable put forth by others.
Upon meeting with Cable, Davis is expected to fire Cable or lay out a plan of action for how to get more out of quarterback JaMarcus Russell, three talented running backs, an offensive line that allowed 49 sacks and an offense that scored only 17 touchdowns in 16 games.
What that entails, only Davis knows at this point. Soon, everyone else will know, just not Monday.

If Davis insists upon keeping Russell, he will want some firm answers from Cable on how he intends to get Russell back to the point where he can be the team’s full-time starter. Cable benched Russell after nine games this season, with Davis’ blessing, for Russell’s inconsistent play.

Later, Cable said the Raiders would have been a playoff-caliber team had they receive just average play from the quarterback position the entire season. Such talk hits home with Davis, given he is the one who used the No. 1 pick of the 2007 NFL Draft on Russell, doled out $32.5 million guaranteed, and anointed him the franchise savior.

[doug7dust]

Report: Zorn, Gilbride may join Bears' staff
January, 11, 2010 Jan 117:26PM ETEmail Print Share By Matt MosleyFormer Washington Redskins head coach Jim Zorn and New York Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride are candidates to join the Chicago Bears' staff, according to CSNChicago.com. Gilbride's been the playcaller in a successful offense, so I can understand why he'd be considered. But I'd be shocked if Zorn landed as an offensive coordinator after having his play-calling duties stripped by the Redskins this season.

It seems more likely Zorn would surface as a quarterbacks coach. He's told people close to him that there are two jobs he is pursuing and that he doesn't plan to take a year off. The Redskins are on the hook to pay Zorn $2.4 million in 2010, so he's in a pretty good situation. Whatever he makes as an assistant in the league would offset what Dan Snyder owes him.

In other Redskins news, the current assistants will return to work Wednesday and probably start finding out about their futures.



god damn i fucking hope this is true

[doug7dust]

Richard Seymour-DL-Raiders Jan. 11 - 11:38 pm et

Free agent DL Richard Seymour said Monday that he will not consider returning to the Patriots in 2010.

"There's probably about 31 teams I'd consider," Seymour said. Asked if New England is among them, he replied "That isn't something I'm looking to do at all." Seymour, 30, was clearly hurt when the Pats sent him to Oakland last September. New England, of course, stole a 2011 first-round pick in the deal.
Source: Comcast Sports New England
Related: Patriots



Seymour doesnt want to be here fellas

[BigTron]

Too bad. He is gonna be franchised up if he doesnt re-sign.

[poptart]

We can go the franchise route, sure, but it's a loser of a situation for us if it comes to that.

We end up putting a player who is a potentially TERRIFIC leader into a situation where his heart isn't really fully into things in Oakland.

Suddenly that "leader" doesn't do much leading.

You've GOT to get him inked long term.

[Madturk]

Al rarely does contracts during the season. I'm sure we'll have a serious heart to heart with Seymour and his agent once everything gets settled with the coaching situation. Al's always taken care of his good players.

[Limee]

Raiders senior executive John Herrera said “it’s been a very quiet day” and wasn’t aware of a meeting between Davis and Cable today.
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/images/2007/07/26/bagdad_bob_large.gif

He also denied that the noise in the background was the hum of an overhead projector.

[CrossBones]

Report: Zorn, Gilbride may join Bears' staff
One bullet hopefully dodged. :^

[JohnQ]

He also denied that the noise in the background was the hum of an overhead projector.

:pound:

[Raidervinny]

Richard Seymour-DL-Raiders Jan. 11 - 11:38 pm et

Free agent DL Richard Seymour said Monday that he will not consider returning to the Patriots in 2010.

"There's probably about 31 teams I'd consider," Seymour said. Asked if New England is among them, he replied "That isn't something I'm looking to do at all." Seymour, 30, was clearly hurt when the Pats sent him to Oakland last September. New England, of course, stole a 2011 first-round pick in the deal.
Source: Comcast Sports New England
Related: Patriots



Seymour doesnt want to be here fellas

How do you get that in an article where he said he doesn't want to go to the Patriots?

[DarthRaidor]

How do you get that in an article where he said he doesn't want to go to the Patriots?

Good question Vin. I've read this damn post like 5 times and I still can't find where he says he doesn't want to be a Raider. :confused:

[doug7dust]

just got that feeling

[YodasBeast]

I just read that he'll play anywhere but back in NE.

[Postmaster]

Oakland signed return specialist Yamon Figurs to a future contract. The college star has bounced around the NFL the past three seasons. He was a third-round pick of Baltimore’s in 2007.

And I was just starting to like the fullback/kick returner approach.

[Diceq]

It's a good move-Our ST return game was our 2nd biggest failing after our passing game

[Madturk]

Yeah just in time too:rolleyes:

[Crow]

Yeah just in time too:rolleyes:

So you're saying you weren't satisfied with Nick Miller's production prior to his going on IR?

[RaiderRobert]

Great signing. I like it. Competition with Nick Miller and Johnnie Lee Higgins. Hopefully Nick comes back to camp healthy and plays like I think he can. And if Figurs can catch a ball, I am happy to give him Higgin's roster spot.

[sportzfan76]

JL Higgins did a great job....if your returner is supposed to run side to side or backwards with an eye on negative yardage. :mad:

[RaiderRobert]

JL Higgins did a great job....if your returner is supposed to run side to side or backwards with an eye on negative yardage. :mad:

And I didn't see any really consistent effort on his part this year. A returner is supposed to be a lights out guy, a threat every time. JLH isn't that guy. And as a WR, he is barely passable. Even on our team. So without the dedication and effort, I say he should go away.

[PDX Raider]

And I didn't see any really consistent effort on his part this year. A returner is supposed to be a lights out guy, a threat every time. JLH isn't that guy. And as a WR, he is barely passable. Even on our team. So without the dedication and effort, I say he should go away.

Supposedly, he was never the same after getting lit up by SD in the first game. He showed flashes, so it may be too early to write him off. He would not be a bad option as a third WR, behinf Murphy and Schillens. Special teams this year was simply not good. I'm still puzzled as to why Russell was returning kickoffs.

PDX

[Madturk]

Yeah Figur's three career receptions should be a huge boost to this offense:rolleyes:

[RaiderRobert]

Yeah Figur's three career receptions should be a huge boost to this offense:rolleyes:

yeah yeah yeah... But that is almost as many as our #1 pick... So who knows? But I gotta believe he would be better than Gary Russell and JLH on returns... And that is why we got him.

[Crow]

yeah yeah yeah... But that is almost as many as our #1 pick... So who knows?

So now there are two non-WRs on the WR depth chart. Awesome.

But I gotta believe he would be better than Gary Russell and JLH on returns... And that is why we got him.

Won't matter if no one is blocking. Blocking on kick/punt returns was atrocious. Can't pin all the blame on the returners. They weren't exactly given much help.

[doug7dust]

rotoworld reporting cable and davis will meet today and possibly tomorrow too... well see

[RaiderRobert]

So now there are two non-WRs on the WR depth chart. Awesome.

Won't matter if no one is blocking. Blocking on kick/punt returns was atrocious. Can't pin all the blame on the returners. They weren't exactly given much help.
Wait until we trade away somebody good and some picks for Cribbs too...

As for blocking and scheme, that's what happens when we have such awesome coaches like Fassel's kid, and the uber-awesome Sanjay Lal...

[doug7dust]

cable leaves facility without comment and friendly wave around 7pm tonight

[doug7dust]

anyone think figurs can be our KR in september?

[Raidervinny]

anyone think figurs can be our KR in september?

No...he's just training camp fodder.

[Crow]

Can he play FB?

[Postmaster]

Dansby just one of many Cardinals in limbo
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 18, 2010 2:09 PM ET
The offseason is here for the Arizona Cardinals, and there are few teams which face more contractual questions over the next few months.

Linebacker Karlos Dansby is one of the more likely Cardinals to leave. Arizona would owe him nearly $12 million if they wanted to place the franchise tag on him for the third straight year.

Dansby told the Arizona Republic that leaving the Cardinals would be "very tough" but there haven't been any contract talks "whatsoever."

"If I have to leave, that's the way the game goes," Dansby said. "I've seen a lot of people come, a lot of people go. I've been around for a while. That's how this business goes."

The lack of a collective bargaining agreement will make player movement more difficult, so a young, talented player like Dansby could strike it rich if he makes it to the open market.

The Cardinals must choose priorities: Dansby's teammates Anquan Boldin and Darnell Dockett both want extensions.

"I just want what I deserve," Dockett said. "I'm not asking for favors. I'm not asking - this is what I want. I want what I deserve. I want what the top guys got. The numbers don't lie. And obviously I'm in an organization that may see it different. But at the end of the day, if it's not here, it's going to be somewhere else."

Expect a lot of similar talk coming from Arizona throughout the offseason.

Gimme some of that.

[Xplosive]

DHB is in good health.

X

[Crow]

DHB is in good health.

X

When it rains, it pours.

[Crow]

laugh out loud

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/9317/buffalo-gm-takes-shot-at-raiders?body=&prosaction=newpost&status=ok

These are fighting words.

Too bad Oakland and Buffalo don’t play each other in 2010.

New Buffalo general manger Buddy Nix took a shot at Oakland while talking about how desperate people want to be NFL head coaches.

Check out what Nix had to say: "I'm trying not to exaggerate, but we got 15 calls a day, begging for an interview and wanting this job," Nix said. "I could've hired 35 or 40 the first week. And you would be shocked at some of the names.

"Trust me, it's a good job. Don't ever think you can't fill coaching jobs even if they're bad. Oakland gets a lot of calls."

Wow. He just called the Raiders gig a bad job. Maybe it is, but it’s stunning that someone in the league would say it. Usually, front-office types are above board when it comes to talking about other teams.

Yet, Nix, who was last with San Diego, took off the gloves. Still, Oakland fans, take solace. If Tom Cable is fired, Nix believes there will be a line of coaches waiting to take his place.

[S and B Executioner]

DHB is in good health.

X

But did he get a HANDS REPLACEMENT and a brain that can translate routes from the playbook to the field?

If not, he will be the same old DHBUST

[doug7dust]

laugh out loud

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/9317/buffalo-gm-takes-shot-at-raiders?body=&prosaction=newpost&status=ok

cant belive some of the names? were still in shock about your final decision lol

fuckin loser.


Im gonna laugh my ass off if harbaugh chose to wait for us over going to work for his ass

[raiderfreak7]

...and this guy picks Chan Gailey? Wow.

[system7]

laugh out loud

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/9317/buffalo-gm-takes-shot-at-raiders?body=&prosaction=newpost&status=ok

this guy is a fucking idiot...but tells you how far we've fallen...i mean fucking buffalo BUFFALO is looking down at us.:rolleyes:

[doug7dust]

buffalo just got clowned on first take over who would take raiders or bills jobs fuck them

[doug7dust]

Chargers talking about letting go of NT Jamal Williams. Interior DL is a big need here still, even though we dont run a 3-4 full time i do think he is worth a shot to help improve our run d

[S and B Executioner]

Chargers talking about letting go of NT Jamal Williams. Interior DL is a big need here still, even though we dont run a 3-4 full time i do think he is worth a shot to help improve our run d

Shit, we land that beefy fuck and we are well on our way to a 3-4 base. TK and Sey at the ends, Richardson/Shaunessy and Ellis/Scott at OLB, Morrison and Howard at ILB and that actually looks pretty good.

[RaiderRobert]

Chargers talking about letting go of NT Jamal Williams. Interior DL is a big need here still, even though we dont run a 3-4 full time i do think he is worth a shot to help improve our run d

Would MUCH rather pursue Vince Wilfork. We would have a better shot at that, since he is not in our division. Also, Seymour would help with that, AND NE already has a replacement in place, SD does not. OH, and Wilfork is 5 years younger...

[doug7dust]

Would MUCH rather pursue Vince Wilfork. We would have a better shot at that, since he is not in our division. Also, Seymour would help with that, AND NE already has a replacement in place, SD does not. OH, and Wilfork is 5 years younger...

this is true... i would love wilfork.

[Crow]

Shit, we land that beefy fuck and we are well on our way to a 3-4 base. TK and Sey at the ends, Richardson/Shaunessy and Ellis/Scott at OLB, Morrison and Howard at ILB and that actually looks pretty good.

Looks like the 31st ranked defense in the league to me. Hysterically bad LBs.

[doug7dust]

What are our immediate positions of need? RT, FB, MLB? of course QB

[system7]

What are our immediate positions of need? RT, FB, MLB? of course QB

imo, biggest needs in order:

RT
NT
MLB
C
RG
CB

[Crow]

What are our immediate positions of need? RT, FB, MLB? of course QB

In no particular order...

RT
RG
C
LT

DT
MLB
SAM

All pretty much critical needs.


I'm good with Grads at QB for a year. I want to see what we really have there. Just need to dump the Gump to make room for a better #2. Maybe Losman. Preferably a vet who'd make a good study for Grads.

CB is a pretty significant need, as is O-line depth. There's like no depth on this line.

An every down RE wouldn't suck either.

[RaiderJF]

imo, biggest needs in order:

RT
NT
MLB
C
RG
CB

Biggest needs, imo:

1) GM
2) Owner
3) Coaching staff
4) RT
5) RG

[doug7dust]

So with cable more than likely returning, Adam Schefter suggests the man to keep an eye on now in Oakland is JaMarcus Russell. Cable said at his season ending press conference that he could have got the team to the playoffs if Russell wasnt his QB, and now Davis is bringing him back. So something could happen here. Schefter suggesting Russell may not be back. I feel pretty confident Russell atleast wont be the Starting Qb here this coming season

[Madturk]

So with cable more than likely returning, Adam Schefter suggests the man to keep an eye on now in Oakland is JaMarcus Russell. Cable said at his season ending press conference that he could have got the team to the playoffs if Russell wasnt his QB, and now Davis is bringing him back. So something could happen here. Schefter suggesting Russell may not be back. I feel pretty confident Russell atleast wont be the Starting Qb here this coming season

I don't buy that for a second. The Big Dummy is going to get every opportunity to come back and win the starting job. Al's not going to flush 30+mill down the drain that easily. Where I see it could get hairy is if JRuss refuses to renegotiate his deal and is released outright. I can't see Al paying him the 9 mill or so he's owed next season.

[RaiderRobert]

I don't buy that for a second. The Big Dummy is going to get every opportunity to come back and win the starting job. Al's not going to flush 30+mill down the drain that easily. Where I see it could get hairy is if JRuss refuses to renegotiate his deal and is released outright. I can't see Al paying him the 9 mill or so he's owed next season.

Best possible scenario...

[DonkeyKilla]

my understanding is that Al has to pay him 3Mil no matter what, but could cut him right before the season and save 6Mil. I think that means fatback comes to camp and if he doesn't win the starting job gets cut.