Nmandi quote

[GRIM]

"You don't get used to losing this many times in one season. If you do get used to it, either you're in the wrong profession or you're on the wrong team, or you shouldn't be here. It's definitely frustrating. No one wants that. There's not a guy in here that wants that. ... These guys want to win games. ... They have the will to do what it takes, and we still go out and we can't win."

-Nnamdi

[poptart]

The organization and the coaching (or lack thereof) yanks the rug right out from under these guys.

Oakland has enough talent to be a respectable team.
And it's been that way for a few years now.

Not saying this current group ought to be contending for the division, but good leadership could have these guys somehwere near .500, imo.

[Madturk]

The organization and the coaching (or lack thereof) yanks the rug right out from under these guys.

Oakland has enough talent to be a respectable team.
And it's been that way for a few years now.

Not saying this current group ought to be contending for the division, but good leadership could have these guys somehwere near .500, imo.

It's one thing if you play competitive week in and week out, even if you come up on the short end of the sick, but what's disconcerting is how badly we've been blown out in our losses under Cable. I have to blame most of that on the coaching and the stellar play of our qb:rolleyes:

I do believe we have a nucleus of decent young talent but we really failed to address some key areas this offseason, mainly the OL. Cable isn't HC material I'm afraid and if we continue to trot out the Gilbrides and Fassels every other year, I suspect much of the same results.

[Postmaster]

"You look up into the crowd and there's probably about 10,000 people left, the birds are going (over the stadium), it's a vision that you've seen before," lamented cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. "So now it's just replaying in your head, and it's not a good feeling. It's happened a good number of times each year when that feeling comes, and it's not good."

The black cloud that is the Oakland Raiders. :(

[S and B Executioner]

I am officially starting the Jon Gruden Jihad RIGHT NOW!!

[CrossBones]

I am officially starting the Jon Gruden Jihad RIGHT NOW!!Good luck with that.

I just don't see why Gruden would leave the cushy MNF gig where he's probably well paid with no stress for the Oakland Raiders job. Why? Has he got some sort of death wish?

[DarthRaidor]

Good luck with that.

I just don't see why Gruden would leave the cushy MNF gig where he's probably well paid with no stress for the Oakland Raiders job. Why? Has he got some sort of death wish?

Gruden just strikes me as one of those guys who can't sit still. Which is why he probably wants back in the game.

[Madturk]

I'm sure he has an out clause in his tv deal if the right gig comes up. He's got to be itching to get back into coaching.

[TheMadStork]

I'm sure he has an out clause in his tv deal if the right gig comes up. He's got to be itching to get back into coaching.

Gru's wound pretty tight. I'm betting he gets antsy with lots of down time. The big question is if Al would give him enough autonomy to lure him back. If I recall correctly, that was the sticking point last time.

[Postmaster]

Gru's wound pretty tight. I'm betting he gets antsy with lots of down time. The big question is if Al would give him enough autonomy to lure him back. If I recall correctly, that was the sticking point last time.

I think we all know the answer to that question.

Al is clinically insane, I have no doubt about it.

[RaiderRobert]

Good luck with that.

I just don't see why Gruden would leave the cushy MNF gig where he's probably well paid with no stress for the Oakland Raiders job. Why? Has he got some sort of death wish?

It's called EGO. And these types of guys have oodles and oodles of it. For the right person, there is a tremendous amount of opportunity here. And to be able to come here and turn things around would make that person look like God. THAT is the attraction that will bring someone like Gruden here. EGO...

[fade2black24]

It's called EGO. And these types of guys have oodles and oodles of it. For the right person, there is a tremendous amount of opportunity here. And to be able to come here and turn things around would make that person look like God. THAT is the attraction that will bring someone like Gruden here. EGO...

Gruden is probably the only person I would trust to take over for the current regime. I'd rather stand pat with this current coaching staff than go in a direction other than Gruden. Continueing to cut into development and growth of a young team has murderous effects. You have to stay the course sometimes. At least give it 3 to 4 years as long as there is improvement over that time.

[BigTron]

I would love to see Gruden back. He is an actual HC. I think EGO would have AL trading him again after he brought the team back. Only for AL to take the reigns and run it into the ground again. I think Gruden cant wait to coach. He is too young to be in the booth.

[Crow]

Gruden is as bad as Al when it comes to developing young talent. Why on earth would you bring him to Oakland unless you plan on trading away your young players and signing another over-the-hill gang?

[doug7dust]

Good luck with that.

I just don't see why Gruden would leave the cushy MNF gig where he's probably well paid with no stress for the Oakland Raiders job. Why? Has he got some sort of death wish?

did you see thoe pics from his party her had in oakland the other night, he looked right at home.

Plenty of Raiders employees and Raider close family there too, Willie Brown, Jim Otto, Lionel Washington, George Atkinson, Jack Tatum, Phil Villapiano, Bill Romanowski, Tom Flores, Greg Papa, hell even Barry Sims was in the house lol

I would bet my left nut that him being the Raiders coach in 2010 came up on more than one occasion.

Its obvious now that Gruden has a very soft spot in his heart for the Raiders. Lang said something like he had heard he is starting to campain for the job quietly, Maybe he just hates seeing us in this position and wants to do it again, well fuck i hope so lol

Al Davis would solve his ticket sale woes immediately with the hiring of Gruden. So he has to think about that

[SoCalRaider]

Good luck with that.

I just don't see why Gruden would leave the cushy MNF gig where he's probably well paid with no stress for the Oakland Raiders job. Why? Has he got some sort of death wish?

Gru is not a cushy Monday night gig kind of guy.... He's a guy who's up at 4am everyday because of a sleeping disorder... workaholic.... ultra competitive.... attention whore.... This kind of personality is born to coach.... This telecasting shit isn't what he wants...

The real question is whether the old man is willing to pull a George Steinbrenner and bring back a coach he's already lead piped.

[SoCalRaider]

Gruden is as bad as Al when it comes to developing young talent. Why on earth would you bring him to Oakland unless you plan on trading away your young players and signing another over-the-hill gang?

Because that's the only chance we have as long as Al is alive. I'll gladly take a team full of Richard Seymour's

[Swords]

The real question is whether the old man is willing to pull a George Steinbrenner and bring back a coach he's already lead piped.

Al didn't lead pipe him. He was traded for 2-#1's and 2-#2's and 8 mil.

Jon wanted to leave so bad that when the Bucs tried to fax him some information regarding his contract he had to go hook the fax machine - that was still in the box- up frantically with his wife giving directions. They both wanted out of here, fast.


I bet that was a scene.

[SoCalRaider]

Bro.... we all know the story.... either way.... it was Al's decision. Al initiated the "lead piping" when he said "get that guy out of here" the second Gru showed up on the billboard in Al-town. Fax machines, the Bucs, Mariucci and the 49ers, draft picks, cash.... they were all part of the side show. Bottom line... Al wanted him out.

[Swords]

I don't believe that Al wanted him gone. I believe that Al knew he was gone after Gru didn't re-up. Gruden wanted roster and coach control and when it wasn't in his new contract he became a lame duck coach.


Al just sold to the highest bidder.

Now, should Al have given Gru the controls that he wanted... absolutely but hey it's Al were dealing with here.

[SoCalRaider]

I don't believe that Al wanted him gone. I believe that Al knew he was gone after Gru didn't re-up. Gruden wanted roster and coach control and when it wasn't in his new contract he became a lame duck coach.


... and why wasn't it in his contract after Al had given Gru, Gru's agent, and Bruce Allen a verbal agreement during negotiations that he would cede control of the roster and coaching staff to Gruden.... presumably because Al got pissed and wanted Gruden out? Either way he puts together some bull shit contract that neither side had agreed to.... and as Gru put it.... "the writing was on the wall"....

[Madturk]

Gruden is as bad as Al when it comes to developing young talent. Why on earth would you bring him to Oakland unless you plan on trading away your young players and signing another over-the-hill gang?

That's a valid point. Chuckie likes to roll with the veteran guys and his draft record at TB was less than stellar. He's also not an ideal coach for developing a young qb so Ja Dummy is as good as gone if by some long shot Al re-signs him.

[DonkeyKilla]

to say we have enough talent to win and i'ts coaching is incorrect in my opinion- our O-line is just bad. It's not Curly's fault JR's a turd and was forced to play his fat ass. Our best QB is a journyman back-up.
Our LBs are suspect and our D-line is average. Our Corners and safeties overrated.
Our WR corps is the worst in the league.

How is that talent that should be winning games?

[Rupert]

Quick question: Why is anyone calling Gradkowski a journeyman? Dude is NOT experienced and he has not PROVEN that he's reliable.

[DonkeyKilla]

you have a definition for Journeyman QB? I thought it just meant a guy that wasn't thought of as a franchise QB and got bounced around a lot...

[fade2black24]

wow you really must have something against the kid....

[Crow]

you have a definition for Journeyman QB? I thought it just meant a guy that wasn't thought of as a franchise QB and got bounced around a lot...

Rupert makes up his own definition for words he doesn't understand. ;)

[RaiderIVlife]

Gruden is as bad as Al when it comes to developing young talent. Why on earth would you bring him to Oakland unless you plan on trading away your young players and signing another over-the-hill gang?

Seriously? Your next coherent opinion will be the first coherent opinion.

First of all, Jon Gruden never "traded away" our young talent, he simply signed (and started) veterans. That's just his MO.

Moreover, Al Davis is most assuredly looking to WIN now, so I don't think he would be overly concerned about a veteran laden team if he felt it could win. Hence the trade for Richard Seymore.

[Rupert]

you have a definition for Journeyman QB? I thought it just meant a guy that wasn't thought of as a franchise QB and got bounced around a lot...

Read the dictionary. It helps when you want to know what a word means, especially if you're the one using it.

[Rupert]

Rupert makes up his own definition for words he doesn't understand. ;)

WTF are you talking about? :rolleyes: Your head is so far up your ass you're starting to believe your own insanity.

[DonkeyKilla]

here is your definition fucko. Go suck a dick Rupert.
journeyman [ˈdʒɜːnɪmən]
n pl -men
1. (Business / Commerce) a craftsman, artisan, etc., who is qualified to work at his trade in the employment of another
2. (Business / Commerce) a competent workman
3. (Business / Commerce) (formerly) a worker hired on a daily wage

[Rupert]

wow you really must have something against the kid....

If you're talking to me, you're most assuredly confused.

[gannoncannon]

Since wikipedia is the online authority these days:

A journeyman or journeywoman is an athlete or professional sports player who is technically competent, but unable to excel.

link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_(sports))

[Rupert]

here is your definition fucko. Go suck a dick Rupert.
journeyman [ˈdʒɜːnɪmən]
n pl -men
1. (Business / Commerce) a craftsman, artisan, etc., who is qualified to work at his trade in the employment of another
2. (Business / Commerce) a competent workman
3. (Business / Commerce) (formerly) a worker hired on a daily wage

After you DK.

An experienced reliable worker, athlete, or performer especially as distinguished from one who is brilliant or colorful <a good journeyman trumpeter — New Yorker> <a journeyman outfielder>

Check a good dictionary why don't you. link (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/journeyman)

In other words, like someone who knows a LOT more than you said earlier, he's neither experienced nor reliable.

Unless you consider 26 games and 12 starts with a W-L record of 3-9 as being experienced and reliable.

I think it's too early to say he's anything, but go ahead with your opinions, they're about as good as your command of the language.

[gannoncannon]

Seriously? Your next coherent opinion will be the first coherent opinion.

First of all, Jon Gruden never "traded away" our young talent, he simply signed (and started) veterans. That's just his MO.

Moreover, Al Davis is most assuredly looking to WIN now, so I don't think he would be overly concerned about a veteran laden team if he felt it could win. Hence the trade for Richard Seymore.

Still, we saw what happens when a veteran team gets old and suddenly all your starters are retired, cut, or too ancient to put up a fight.

We are in a tough situation. We have a bunch of young guys trying to learn and trying to grow; however, they are being hurt by organizational disorganization. Bringing in vets theoretically helps in the development of the young players and in remaining focused in games. However, it's tough to get solid veterans on our team BECAUSE of the organizational disorganization. We have to either get questionable vets (even if they come in with some fire, they end up losing it and just play to collect their pay check), or give up waay too much money and/or draft picks.

Regardless of the coaching, the players, the FAs, or the draft picks: we need to get this ship straightened out, and that starts by getting Captain Al off the helm.

[Crow]

Seriously? Your next coherent opinion will be the first coherent opinion.

First of all, Jon Gruden never "traded away" our young talent, he simply signed (and started) veterans. That's just his MO.

Moreover, Al Davis is most assuredly looking to WIN now, so I don't think he would be overly concerned about a veteran laden team if he felt it could win. Hence the trade for Richard Seymore.

Jesus fucking christ. Where to start...

1. Blow me. You're an idiot.

2. I didn't say anything about Gruden trading anyone. Try reading before running your ignorant yap.

3. Al is looking to win now? Based on what? Starting rookie WRs and forcing a bad QB onto the field for the majority of the season? Please, enlighten me. What have you seen this year that would indicate any sort of "win now" approach? Did Al not just say this past offseason that the team isn't close? Something to the effect of "we've got a ways to go"?

4. It's spelled "Seymour", nitwit. I'd normally let the bad spelling slide, but it just furthers your own effort to make yourself look like a rusty tool. And, seriously, that one move...in the face of the rookie starters, the god awful QB, the offseason housecleaning, and Al's own admission that the team isn't ready...has you convinced that Al is looking to "win now"? Okie dokie then.

Dumbass.

[DonkeyKilla]

"In other words, like someone who knows a LOT more than you said earlier, he's neither experienced nor reliable."

Well Rupert maybe you do know a LOT more than me. I do know this: your a dick and it really doesn't seem like there are very many people that like you.
Merry Christmas.

[Crow]

WTF are you talking about? :rolleyes: Your head is so far up your ass you're starting to believe your own insanity.

Don't get mad at me. It's no secret that you're a little on the :bong: side.

[Crow]

"In other words, like someone who knows a LOT more than you said earlier, he's neither experienced nor reliable."

Well Rupert maybe you do know a LOT more than me. I do know this: your a dick and it really doesn't seem like there are very many people that like you.
Merry Christmas.

Nevermind that. Just enjoy laughing at the fact that he doesn't know what "journeyman QB" means.

[gannoncannon]

throwing in my two cents for this journeyman debate: I think you're considered a journeyman if you've got the technical stuff down, but you haven't found success yet.

You can see why this would apply to Rich Gannon when he first came to the Raiders: he was smart and knew how to play his position; however, he hadn't really been a "big name."

If he had remained the starter on his previous teams and carried them to victory, making a name for himself, THEN came to the Raiders, he wouldn't have been a journeyman.

[Madturk]

Splitting pubic hairs:rolleyes:

[Crow]

It's not complicated. When NFL people refer to an NFL QB as a "journeyman", it simply means he's well traveled and hasn't exactly shown, or played, a whole helluva lot. He's worn a few different uniforms. That's it. Trying to apply anything else to the label is just silly.

[CrossBones]

It's not complicated. When NFL people refer to an NFL QB as a "journeyman", it simply means he's well traveled and hasn't exactly shown, or played, a whole helluva lot. He's worn a few different uniforms. That's it. Trying to apply anything else to the label is just silly.Well, who was trying to do that? Wait. Rupert? :pound:

[Postmaster]

Perspective.

[CrossBones]

Perspective.:eek:

Bwahahahaha.

[fatdog]

Both Gannon and Plunkett were considered journeyman qb's and both were not expected to do a fucking thing for the Raiders.

[Rupert]

It's not complicated. When NFL people refer to an NFL QB as a "journeyman", it simply means he's well traveled and hasn't exactly shown, or played, a whole helluva lot. He's worn a few different uniforms. That's it. Trying to apply anything else to the label is just silly.

So when someone misuses the language, pick it up and run with it. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. But par for the course with you guys.

So Gradkowski is "well traveled" now? Dude's a KID, and is more akin to an apprentice than a journeyman.

But as usual, none of you knows context or perspective. Stupid is as you continue to do. And that's a fact.

I respectfully ask you Phi Beta Kappa's to pardon my attempts to correct your critically flawed language skills.

[Crow]

Okay, Rupert. You continue to live in your little dreamworld like an internet Terry Schiavo. The rest of us will be here in Realityville debating whether or not to pull your feeding tube.

[sportzfan76]

Oh what the heck, I vote to leave the tube In...it is the holidays afterall. :rolleyes: