John Elway' unsensored and furious at the raiders for benching russell

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Elway worried for Russell, hammers Raiders
By Bill Williamson

Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson

If getting engaged to a former Raiders cheerleader wasn't enough, John Elway has further aggravated Raider Nation.

In a column for the Sporting News, the legendary Denver quarterback said young Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell won't be able to succeed in Oakland.

"JaMarcus Russell's only chance at NFL success is to get out of Oakland. OK, maybe that's harsh. But we all know it's his best chance at success," Elway writes.

This, courtesy of the Sporting News, is what else Elway wrote:

"The fastest way to ruin a quarterback is to put him on a bad team, with a bad line, with no weapons, with no continuity in the coaching staff. That pretty much describes the current Raiders. The game has passed Al Davis by, and he's the only one who doesn't know it. Every time the Raiders get a good coach -- Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, Norv Turner, etc. -- who doesn't buy into Al's outdated program, he fires him.

"It's this kind of organizational instability that can ruin a quarterback, like the Texans ruined David Carr and the Browns ruined Tim Couch. A young quarterback, especially a No. 1 guy with the weight of a city's expectations on his shoulders, can wilt. A young quarterback needs a calm, steady influence on and off the field. The first three years for an NFL quarterback are rocky no matter what. He needs a coach to teach him the game of football and a kind of father figure to nurture him and get him through the tough times off the field.

"Too bad JaMarcus didn't have the leverage I had in 1983; then he could've avoided the Raiders all together. ...

"I feel for JaMarcus. Physically, he has it all. He's an unbelievable talent -- strong arm, tall, big. In the right situation, he could have a great NFL career. He is a Great Quarterback, but in Oakland he has almost no chance."

I'll say it for you: Wow.

This is, indeed, harsh but it can't just be thrown away as typical former-player hyperbole. Elway's words come across as well thought out. Elway certainly knows what it takes to be an NFL star. He isn't coming from left field here. And, let's face it, the Raiders have struggled.

Do I agree with Elway? I don't think it's as bad in Oakland anymore as Elway writes, and I don't think Russell is a lost cause there. But it is certainly interesting fodder.
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And here we go wow.

Wow, everyday, Another NFL player or Former NFL player's are flat out furious that Russell is benched. wow... never thought I'd see ol horseface go in like this, I bet the wife told him to go in on the raiders, for the russell getting benched.

btw Al davis did not call any plays this year everything was in the hands of tom cable.

also Im not frustrated or mad russell isnt starting. I wanna win by any means necessary either by frye grad or russell or hell if fargas could throw for 300 agame long as we are winning. This is one of the most consistant episodes I seen where NFL heads continue to stand up for a Raiders Quarterback

I just want my team to win.

head down

X

[eleven]

Fuck Elway.... give it up dude. Is he really really really furious? Wow.

Did I mention fuck Elway?

[RF34]

Right. Ochocinco and (sm)Elway. That makes two players or former players and you that are furious at the benching.

Meanwhile the rest of the league and just about all the fans are either delighted or could care less.

[hawaiianboy]

October, 24, 2008



Rather than pull an article that is more than a years old, you may want to ask Elway how he feels now that there is a whole lot more evidence as to whether JaMarcus desires to be a great QB and a whole lot more evidence as to relevant performance...

[RF34]

:righton:

[Raider Bill]

Horseface makes a logical fallicy here. Jamarcus Russell can suck independantly of how badly the Raiders are run... ie he would still likely suck in a better situation.

[Jack's sore libido]

Well, he was in a better situation at LSU, and didn't suck. So ...

I'm just sick of people acting like they know shit that they can't possibly know.

[Throne Raider]

Well, he was in a better situation at LSU, and didn't suck. So ...

I'm just sick of people acting like they know shit that they can't possibly know.

But Jack'sSL, isn't it the point of a forum, to let all of we who don't know shit, try to sound as if we do?

[raiderfreak7]

You're only as good as your word, X. Congrats on trying to fib your way into the hearts of Raider fans. "Elway furious about Russell benching......a year before he gets benched." Fucking pathetic.

[Jack's sore libido]

Sure seems to be, yeah.

[eleven]

You're only as good as your word, X. Congrats on trying to fib your way into the hearts of Raider fans. "Elway furious about Russell benching......a year before he gets benched." Fucking pathetic.

Word. :shakehead:

[Raider Bill]

Well, he was in a better situation at LSU, and didn't suck. So ...

I'm just sick of people acting like they know shit that they can't possibly know.

Yea jack, there's a realistic situation to recreate. Have a recieving corps that is so superior to everyone elses that even Mat fucking Flynn looks good

[Diceq]

RF34-good tits!

[Jack's sore libido]

Yea jack, there's a realistic situation to recreate. Have a recieving corps that is so superior to everyone elses that even Mat fucking Flynn looks good

So superior that ... ONE GUY has amounted to anything in the NFL!

Hooray for them!

It's amazing to me how hypocritical your take here is.

[S and B Executioner]

"Too bad JaMarcus didn't have the leverage I had in 1983; then he could've avoided the Raiders all together. ..."


Translation: To bad JaMarcus isn't a spoiled little brat like I was and whined til I got my way!

Fuck Elway.

If Rozelle hadn't intervened and voided a three way deal between the Raiders, Colts and Bears, he would have been a Raider.

Oh, fuck JaBenched too!

[Raider Bill]

So superior that ... ONE GUY has amounted to anything in the NFL!

Hooray for them!

It's amazing to me how hypocritical your take here is.

Doucett is sitting behind Fitz and Bouldin for Christ sakes.

[Jack's sore libido]

And Breaston.

And until two weeks ago, he was behind Jerheme Urban, too.

He very nearly lost his job to Lance Long in the preseason.

[Raider Bill]

Irrevelant, how many other teams in the SEC or hell the entire NCAA had 2 recievers taken in the 1st and 1 in the 2nd, all playing on the same field?

[Jack's sore libido]

And oh, by the way, Doucet was by FAR more productive with Russell than with Flynn.

[Jack's sore libido]

Irrevelant, how many other teams in the SEC or hell the entire NCAA had 2 recievers taken in the 1st and 1 in the 2nd, all playing on the same field?

And this is where your hypocrisy becomes so apparent.

JaMarcus was the No. 1 overall pick!

So if you're basing the value of Bowe-Davis-Doucet on their draft status, why doesn't Russell also get to have his value based on his draft status?

For that matter, why is it you think you can credibly argue that those WRs were making Russell look GOOD, but you can't accept the argument that these WRs are making Russell look BAD.

God-damn, you're a tool.

[JohnQ]

RF34-good tits!

MmMmmmmmmmmm Ice Cream

[boknowsvt]

Every time the Raiders get a good coach -- Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, Norv Turner, etc. -- who doesn't buy into Al's outdated program, he fires him.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't three other teams (one of which was Elway's former) also fire these three coaches? I guess those teams also had owners with outdated philosophies.

[Raider Bill]

And this is where your hypocrisy becomes so apparent.

JaMarcus was the No. 1 overall pick!

So if you're basing the value of Bowe-Davis-Doucet on their draft status, why doesn't Russell also get to have his value based on his draft status?

For that matter, why is it you think you can credibly argue that those WRs were making Russell look GOOD, but you can't accept the argument that these WRs are making Russell look BAD.

God-damn, you're a tool.

Like I said, 7th round Matt Flynn says hi. The team still won Jack. The big dopey QB didnt play and they still won a bowl game.

[Raider Bill]

Just about every elite QB is selected to a bad situation via a high pick.

Horseface's logic falls apart right off the bat.

Not everyone has the option of playing baseball.

The Raiders football operations being utter garbage doesn't preclude Russell from also sucking. He uses Tim Couch as an example. Sure the Browns sucked, but so did Tim Couch.

[Jack's sore libido]

Like I said, 7th round Matt Flynn says hi.

Um, so?

The team still won Jack. The big dopey QB didnt play and they still won a bowl game.

So I guess Tee Martin is better than Peyton Manning. :rolleyes:

God-damn, you're a fucking moron, you know that?

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I posted the wrong one my fault Im in trouble anyhow on the job!



X

[DarkDays]

Fuck Elway.... give it up dude. Is he really really really furious? Wow.

Did I mention fuck Elway?

Why wouldn't horse face want Russell starting? It gives the donkeys an automatic win. :rolleyes:

[Raider Bill]

Um, so?



So I guess Tee Martin is better than Peyton Manning. :rolleyes:

God-damn, you're a fucking moron, you know that?

Tee Martin didnt start until after Manning graduated.

Matt Flynn won a bowl game as a sophmore with those recievers, Addai at RB and whoever the hell else LSU had. .

Right back at ya little man

[Raider Bill]

I'm a moron? You're the one trying to spin dogshit into pumpkin pie here, not me.

[Jack's sore libido]

You say that like it makes a damned bit of difference.

If your God-damned Fighting Irish could fucking play any defense, we probably wouldn't have even drafted Russell, so there!

[phxraida15]

And oh, by the way, Doucet was by FAR more productive with Russell than with Flynn.


So Gump is better than Flynn? big fucking deal, it isn't like flynn is a pro bowl QB in the NFL.... What's the point in that arguement!?:confused:

[Raider Bill]

You say that like it makes a damned bit of difference.

If your God-damned Fighting Irish could fucking play any defense, we probably wouldn't have even drafted Russell, so there!

There ya go, that's the idiotic way the Raiders operate.

[hawaiianboy]

No signs of improvement from JaMarcus Russell

Posted by Michael David Smith on November 20, 2009 9:04 AM ET

In his third NFL season, Oakland Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell is worse than ever.

Russell, who has been benched for Bruce Gradkowski, has completed just 46.8 percent of his passes, worse than in either of his first two seasons. His average gain per pass, touchdown-to-interception ratio and quarterback rating are also the worst they've ever been.

Former Eagles quarterback and current ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski says this season's digression is a sign that Russell is never going to be the Raiders' franchise quarterback.

"I don't think it'll be in Oakland, I really don't." Jaworski said today on ESPN Radio, when asked if Russell can ever be a starter. "When you watch JaMarcus Russell you just don't see any improvement. That's the one thing as you watch quarterbacks, you know there's going to be an ebb and a flow to a young quarterback's career, but I just don't see him ascending. It's more flat or even descending."

Jaworski said that horrendous completion percentage is the biggest problem for Russell.

"Week in, week out, the poor throws," Jaworski said. "He's got the big, strong arm, but the accuracy is absolutely mind boggling. He's got guys open and he just can't hit them. Maybe when he gets sent to the bench, maybe he'll wake up, maybe he'll realize what it takes to be a pro, maybe he'll grow up and mature and realize the work ethic he needs to have. Maybe that will get him going. We'll find out."

But we probably won't find out in Oakland. There's not much reason for optimism that he'll ever be anything close to the quarterback the Raiders thought they were getting when they made him the first pick in the 2007 NFL draft.

[Jack's sore libido]

Well, there's always a silver lining -- at least they didn't take Brady effing Quinn.

Sorry, I would take you more seriously, but you've already demonstrated that your agenda is about disagreeing with me more than anything else. See Jackson, Vincent.

[godeep811]

My point are the rumors on JR's work ethic.

If he was studying film, staying late, and doing the little things, then Elway's points hold more water. To refute his claims, I would ask Elway - how hard did you work? Did you watch film? Did you go the extra mile to get better?

Of course Elway did these things. Apparently, JR is not holding up his side of the bargain. I'm also not putting all the blame on Davis, in terms of the lengthy holdout in his first year. If I was JR, I would have told my agent - just get me in camp. Do whatever it takes.

It takes two to tango. Obviously, the Raiders dysfunction certainly doesn't help JaMarcus. However, he's not holding up his side.

[Crow]

And this is where your hypocrisy becomes so apparent.

JaMarcus was the No. 1 overall pick!

So if you're basing the value of Bowe-Davis-Doucet on their draft status, why doesn't Russell also get to have his value based on his draft status?

For that matter, why is it you think you can credibly argue that those WRs were making Russell look GOOD, but you can't accept the argument that these WRs are making Russell look BAD.

God-damn, you're a tool.

Um, so?



So I guess Tee Martin is better than Peyton Manning. :rolleyes:

God-damn, you're a fucking moron, you know that?

You say that like it makes a damned bit of difference.

If your God-damned Fighting Irish could fucking play any defense, we probably wouldn't have even drafted Russell, so there!

Good job weeding out the trouble makers, Phil. You're doing a fine job. :rolleyes:

[Crow]

I posted the wrong one my fault Im in trouble anyhow on the job!



X

Too late, bud. Chris Hansen busted your ass. Fess up.

[Jack's sore libido]

Yeah, there's no history there at all. It all started with this thread. :rolleyes:

I guess that's what I get for clicking "view post."

[Crow]

Yeah, there's no history there at all. It all started with this thread. :rolleyes:

I guess that's what I get for clicking "view post."

No, it didn't start with this tread. You've been this way for as long as I've "known" you.

You ever considered not being...well...you?

[hawaiianboy]

I've stepped into a time machine and ended up in 2006...


Bones would have an easier time brokering peace between the Hama's and Israeli's than getting Bill, Jack and Crow to play nice...

http://www.reeloo.net/public/emoticons/kolobok-madhouse/suicide.gif <--- Bones

[Raider Bill]

If the guy selected first in the draft and the guy selected 242nd had similar results with the same recievers, perhaps it was the receivers. That's all I'm sayin.

[Jack's sore libido]

And if the guy selected first in the draft has a bunch of passes dropped, and the next guy in off the bench has a bunch of passes dropped, maybe that's the receivers, too.

[GRIM]

I've stepped into a time machine and ended up in 2006...


Bones would have an easier time brokering peace between the Hama's and Israeli's than getting Bill, Jack and Crow to play nice...

http://www.reeloo.net/public/emoticons/kolobok-madhouse/suicide.gif <--- Bones

LMAO :pound: Time Machine. "rep."

[Raider Bill]

And if the guy selected first in the draft has a bunch of passes dropped, and the next guy in off the bench has a bunch of passes dropped, maybe that's the receivers, too.

Scoreboard bitches.

Gradkowski hung more TD's on the Bengal defense than Big Ben or Flacco.

[Jack's sore libido]

Wow.

So Gradkowski is better than Roethlisberger now.

Amazing.

I'm glad we won, and I hope like hell NFLN puts it on replay so I can watch the game, but let's not get unrealistic here. This was a trap game for the Bengals, just like the Chiefs were a trap game for the Steelers.

[Raider Bill]

Russell must have been having a trap half a season

[Raider Bill]

Wow.

So Gradkowski is better than Roethlisberger now.

Amazing.

I'm glad we won, and I hope like hell NFLN puts it on replay so I can watch the game, but let's not get unrealistic here. This was a trap game for the Bengals, just like the Chiefs were a trap game for the Steelers.

Way to put words in my mouth. You just keep trying to shit all over what Gradkowski did. Those guys didnt suddenly learn to catch. He put the ball on the right spot more often than the big dope.

[Jack's sore libido]

As would anyone whose receivers were dropping so many balls.

[CrossBones]

I don't want to rain on the parade either but let's be honest. Until that last drive the numbers were very familiar...10 points scored. QB with less than 50% completion %...etc.

We won. Im happy but I'm not buying playoff tickets just yet.

We'll see what shakes out in BIG D on Thanksgiving. I love Grad's attitude, work ethic and enthusiasm. If we win Thursday we might have something. If we do what we normally do (get our asses handed to us after a big win) well fuck.

[Jack's sore libido]

You just keep trying to shit all over what Gradkowski did.

Not at all.

How is "I support the decision to switch QB" and "the decision is all about winning NOW" and "Gradkowski's intangibles are superior to Russell's in every way" shitting all over what Gradkowski did?

Just because I support the move and cheer for Gradkowski, though, doesn't mean I have to change the way I feel about the complete dogshit Russell was out there playing with.

[Raider Bill]

Lets give some credit where it's due. The Cincinnati Bengals are the 3rd best scoring defense in the league this year allowing only 16.7 points a game.

Joe Flacco went 18/32 for 195 yards with 0 touchdowns and 2 interceptions against them.

Ben Roethlisberger went 20/40 for 174 with 0 touchdowns and 1 interception against them.

Jay Cutler went 26/37 for 251 with 1 touchdown and 3 interceptions against them.

Bruce Gradkowski went 17/34 for 183 yards and 2 touchdowns with 1 interception

[TheMadStork]

Lets give some credit where it's due. The Cincinnati Bengals are the 3rd best scoring defense in the league this year allowing only 16.7 points a game.

Joe Flacco went 18/32 for 195 yards with 0 touchdowns and 2 interceptions against them.

Ben Roethlisberger went 20/40 for 174 with 0 touchdowns and 1 interception against them.

Jay Cutler went 26/37 for 251 with 1 touchdown and 3 interceptions against them.

Bruce Gradkowski went 17/34 for 183 yards and 2 touchdowns with 1 interception

That puts things in perspective and makes Grad's "mediocre" performance look even better by comparison.