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doug7dust
10-19-2009, 09:32 AM
deadline is tomorrow so lets chit chat bout it
bears have already made a move getting Gaines Adams from tampa
few things id like to see oakland do is...
-find an OLB to play opposite Howard
-Get a vet WR in here and trade away Walker, or just eat his salary and cut his ass.
-Get a RT from a team loaded with OL.
that being said the nfl trade deadline is never exciting so i dont expect much to happen
doug7dust
10-19-2009, 10:12 AM
jay glazer says Kevin Curtis is available, would be a good vet to go with Schilens Murphy and DHB
doug7dust
10-19-2009, 10:16 AM
Deion Branch-WR-Seahawks Oct. 19 - 12:34 pm et
Deion Branch is on the trading block, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.
It's not a surprise. Branch is well behind T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Nate Burleson on the depth chart and has struggled with an early-season hamstring injury. He has 12 catches for 94 yards on the season. Branch is still working on a six-year, $39 million contract that runs through 2012.
branch for walker straight up!?!? please seattle lol
gannoncannon
10-19-2009, 10:22 AM
we take a huge cap-hit if we cut Walker, don't we? he'll be on the roster till the end of the season, then he's gone.
i don't know if we have the cap space to bring in anyone right now.
gannoncannon
10-19-2009, 10:23 AM
jay glazer says Kevin Curtis is available, would be a good vet to go with Schilens Murphy and DHB
i agree. but do we have the cap space? i know everyone wants to dump walker, and I think we would if not for the cap-hit.
DarthRaidor
10-19-2009, 10:40 AM
Deion Branch-WR-Seahawks Oct. 19 - 12:34 pm et
Deion Branch is on the trading block, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.
It's not a surprise. Branch is well behind T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Nate Burleson on the depth chart and has struggled with an early-season hamstring injury. He has 12 catches for 94 yards on the season. Branch is still working on a six-year, $39 million contract that runs through 2012.
branch for walker straight up!?!? please seattle lol
No, no, no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The last thing in the world we need to do is trade 1 substandard reciever with a big contract for another. Since we are halfway through the season with Walker, let's finish the year, let him go and find a winner.
Diceq
10-19-2009, 10:49 AM
Agree about that WR need and I think we need a KR guy.
. Cap space per ask the commish.com is $250,000 so that's a problem. Not sure how that prorates if we cut a guy like Holland.
CrossBones
10-19-2009, 11:42 AM
I don't think Brach has played 10 games since joining the Seahawks. The fucker is always hurt. He did well in NE for two years and then nada. System player? Fuck Deion Branch. :)
doug7dust
10-19-2009, 12:34 PM
I don't think Brach has played 10 games since joining the Seahawks. The fucker is always hurt. He did well in NE for two years and then nada. System player? Fuck Deion Branch. :)
what about curtis?
Langlier
10-19-2009, 12:55 PM
what about curtis?
old/slow/fragile - not a Davis WR at all - we might be better off with Javon
doug7dust
10-19-2009, 12:57 PM
old/slow/fragile - not a Davis WR at all - we might be better off with Javon
talk to your guy today? you hearin anything?
I would take Kevin Curtis for a 3rd rounder or a 5th and Javon etc. RIGHT NOW.
That dude is a good player. He's being ripped on, but the fact of the matter is, The Eagles have so many other receivers, they don't even need to worry about playing him. Jackson, Maclin, Avant, Reggie Brown and Brandon Gibson? Thats some nasty young talent.
I think he's in the middle of an affordable 6 yr 30 mil deal too, which we could squeeze in the cap to get a veteran player.
doug7dust
10-19-2009, 02:25 PM
Derrick Johnson-LB-Chiefs Oct. 19 - 5:14 pm et
NFL Network's Mike Lombardi reports that Chiefs LB Derrick Johnson would be available "for a mid-round pick" before Tuesday's trade deadline.
Johnson's best position is strong-side linebacker in a 4-3 system. Teams that would be a good fit include Chicago, St. Louis, Buffalo, Indianapolis and Oakland, but mid-round picks are still difficult for any club to surrender.
Postmaster
10-19-2009, 03:09 PM
Pats bounce Banta-Cain
Posted by Mike Florio on October 19, 2009 5:52 PM ET
A day after the Patriots created a widespread case of head scratching by deactivating linebacker Adalius Thomas, the Pats have sent fingers back to scalps throughout the football-watching world by cutting linebacker Tully Banta-Cain.
Per a league source, the Pats cuts the veteran defender on Monday.
"New England cutting him doesn't make sense," the source said. "He was playing pretty well for them."
Banta-Cain was drafted by the Patriots in 2003. He signed with the 49ers in 2007. San Fran cut him in February 2009, and he re-signed a week later with the Patriots.
He appeared in all six regular-season games, starting twice.
Because the trade deadline has not passed, Banta-Cain will not pass through waivers. However, he'll be entitled to collect the remainder of his $620,000 base salary as termination pay, even if he signs with another team.
Langlier
10-19-2009, 03:13 PM
talk to your guy today? you hearin anything?
i got a whole lotta nothing
he sez phone is ringing but any deal will happen fast.
hawaiianboy
10-19-2009, 03:21 PM
I thought Banta Cain was playing well....
I wonder what they now have planned for Adalius Thomas since he was a healthy scratch yesterday and may be in Belichick's doghouse... Wouldn't hurt my feelings any if we flipped a mid round pick for him to play the strongside backer spot and give us another guy to send after the QB...
haven't really paid much attention to Derrick Johnson lately... would he be worth a mid rounder to us?
Postmaster
10-19-2009, 03:22 PM
I thought Banta Cain was playing well....
I wonder what they now have planned for Adalius Thomas since he was a healthy scratch yesterday and may be in Belichick's doghouse... Wouldn't hurt my feelings any if we flipped a mid round pick for him to play the strongside backer spot and give us another guy to send after the QB...
From what I have seen from the Pats this year, he stood out a hell of a lot more than Burgess. I have seen him get a couple of sacks and pressures.
hawaiianboy
10-19-2009, 03:40 PM
Cutting Banta Cain... sitting Thomas maybe to keep him healthy... Anyone else think a Pats trade for Merriman may be in the works?
doug7dust
10-19-2009, 03:40 PM
Adailus Thomas is a 3-4 guy so would that make him a 4-3 DE or could we play him as a strong side backer where we really need a playmaker
doug7dust
10-19-2009, 03:41 PM
Cutting Banta Cain... sitting Thomas maybe to keep him healthy... Anyone else think a Pats trade for Merriman may be in the works?
as long as merriman is out of AFC west ill be happy
BigTron
10-19-2009, 04:28 PM
A.Thomas is a 1 man wrecking crew. Why would he not be active. The Pats do some odd stuff.
hawaiianboy
10-19-2009, 06:18 PM
Tyler traded to Panthers
The Kansas City Chiefs' official website is reporting that the team has traded defensive tackle Tank Tyler to the Carolina Panthers. The Chiefs will get an undisclosed draft pick in 2010 in return.
doug7dust
10-19-2009, 06:49 PM
tank tyler isnt that good
Birdwell
10-19-2009, 07:40 PM
Teams really don't do a great job in figuring who's valuable and who's not. Seymour wasn't worth the money to the Pats? WTF? They ain't won it since they let Vinatieri walk. The Patsie D is not for star LBs, it's for role playing LBs. If Adalius Thomas would fit under the cap, how'd it be to have him and Seymour and Howard and Ellis and Scott and Richardson on the outside? I'd take that, sure would.
And I just gotta say this -- don't tell me the Titans' brass doesn't feel like idiots after letting Haynesworth go. think they miss him?
Probably a 5th for Tyler.
Sleet
10-20-2009, 09:05 AM
Seems to me that the Raiders should look at picking up one or both of these guys.
Pats keep cutting players
Posted by Mike Florio on October 20, 2009 11:38 AM ET
On Monday, linebacker Tully Banta-Cain was bounced. Earlier today, receiver Joey Galloway got a shoe in caboose, too.
Raider Nation
10-20-2009, 09:10 AM
Probably a 5th for Tyler.
Bingo. Carolina gave up a 5th for Tyler.
Raider Nation
10-20-2009, 09:12 AM
KC has both Dwayne Bowe and Glenn Dorsey on the block. If it weren't for the fact that it's a division rival so the trade will never happen, I'd drop a 3rd for Dorsey and put him in the DT rotation. The guy never fit a 3-4, even at DE. He's a penetrating DT.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Atlanta make a play for him. They liked him last year in the draft but took Ryan. Then took Peria Jerry this year and he's lost for the season with a blown knee.
Raider Nation
10-20-2009, 09:14 AM
Adailus Thomas is a 3-4 guy so would that make him a 4-3 DE or could we play him as a strong side backer where we really need a playmaker
While Thomas has historically been a 3-4 guy, the smoothest transition for him to a 4-3 given his skill set would be SSLB. Talk about a FA bust signing... the guy got over $40m and now he's a healthy scratch 2 years later? Ouch.
Could be a good get for a mid-round pick, but you'd have to restructure that albatross of a contract.
Diceq
10-20-2009, 09:22 AM
Galloway, Thomas and Roscoe Parrish would have roles on our team...$ depending
Pats just cut two more players, so they now have 4 active roster spots open..
Patriots also released LB eric alexander and TE mathews
fade2black24
10-20-2009, 09:33 AM
Pats just cut two more players, so they now have 4 active roster spots open..
Who else did they cut besides Galloway and Banta-Cain?
KC has both Dwayne Bowe and Glenn Dorsey on the block. If it weren't for the fact that it's a division rival so the trade will never happen, I'd drop a 3rd for Dorsey and put him in the DT rotation. The guy never fit a 3-4, even at DE. He's a penetrating DT.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Atlanta make a play for him. They liked him last year in the draft but took Ryan. Then took Peria Jerry this year and he's lost for the season with a blown knee.
@Adam_Schefter Despite teams calling, Chiefs will not trade DT Glenn Dorsey nor WR Dwayne Bowe. Not happening.
Who else did they cut besides Galloway and Banta-Cain?
Patriots also released LB Eric Alexander and TE Mathews
Sleet
10-20-2009, 09:45 AM
Bingo. Carolina gave up a 5th for Tyler.
Sounds about right. Given Carolina's need for depth, and Tyler's roots in NC, I think Carolina gets the better end of this trade. I also like the fact that KC just lost some depth on the DL.
hawaiianboy
10-20-2009, 09:47 AM
Pats just cut two more players, so they now have 4 active roster spots open..
They've got a couple of guys coming off the PUP list... but they've got something up their sleeve... Sitting Thomas... Burgess has been pretty average... They've got to be looking to add a rush backer or RB or both...
Someone should hack Al's phone before Belichick calls and we end up sending Bush, McFadden or Trevor Scott there for a 7th...
They've got a couple of guys coming off the PUP list... but they've got something up their sleeve... Sitting Thomas... Burgess has been pretty average... They've got to be looking to add a rush backer or RB or both...
Someone should hack Al's phone before Belichick calls and we end up sending Bush, McFadden or Trevor Scott there for a 7th...
Ah, that would make some sense of it.. getting Ty Warren back for them would be huge..
LB Shawn Crable
OL Mark LeVoir
OL Rich Ohrnberger
DL Darryl Richard
DT Ty Warren
Those are the Patriots on the Active/PUP list.
Sleet
10-20-2009, 10:10 AM
They've got a couple of guys coming off the PUP list... but they've got something up their sleeve... Sitting Thomas... Burgess has been pretty average... They've got to be looking to add a rush backer or RB or both...
Someone should hack Al's phone before Belichick calls and we end up sending Bush, McFadden or Trevor Scott there for a 7th...
Sitting Thomas makes sense if NE is trying to trade him and doesn't want to risk eating his salary with an injury. He is a 3-4 pass rushing OLB in a 4-3 scheme with Derrick Burgess at DE. Not much value there.
Banta-Cane has been re-singed by the pats 2 days after waiving him lol..
Sleet
10-20-2009, 11:29 AM
Banta-Cane has been re-singed by the pats 2 days after waiving him lol..
More cheating the rules by the Pats.
Banta-Cane signed a new contract in February. That contract, by NFL rule, could not be restructured. So, PFT is speculating that Banta-Cane was "cut" and "re-signed" in a nod and wink deal.
Sleet
10-20-2009, 11:35 AM
Figures.
Report: Galloway heading to Kansas City
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 20, 2009 1:24 PM ET
Joey Galloway wasn't good enough to stick in New England's receiver rotation, but there may be a spot for him in Kansas City.
Christopher Price of WEEI in Boston writes on Twitter that Galloway is on his way to Kansas City for a workout with the Chiefs.
Kansas City is thin at wide receiver, with Mark Bradley, Bobby Wade, and Bobby Engram behind Dwayne Bowe on the depth chart. Bradley has been somewhat productive (177 yards), but has suffered from a number of mental mistakes.
Galloway struggled to adapt to New England's system, but he didn't struggle getting open too badly in his first few games. He did struggle catching the ball.
Sleet
10-20-2009, 11:37 AM
I'm glad Tank went to Carolina. Hopefully, the Jets search comes up empty.
Jets looking for a defensive tackle
Posted by Mike Florio on October 20, 2009 2:07 PM ET
With nose tackle Kris Jenkins out for the year, the Jets are working the phones on the final day of the trading deadline in search of a replacement, according to Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News.
The most obvious target is Browns nose tackle Shaun Rogers. Given the curious pipeline that has developed between the team coached by former Jets coach Eric Mangini and the man who fired him, G.M. Mike Tannenbaum, it's not such a far-fetched idea.
Cimini also points out that Browns defensive lineman Corey Williams is available. But he's not particularly suited to take over the nose position in a 3-4 defense.
And that's the real problem the Jets face. Starting-caliber 3-4 nose tackles are hard to find. They are a rare breed -- strong, nimble, athletic, and very fat. Their job is to clog up the middle of the line, allowing the middle linebackers to target the ball carrier.
The Jets' best bet might be to scour the depth charts of teams that use a 4-3 front in search of a backup tackle who might be suited to making the shift to nose in the 3-4, as both Jenkins and Rogers when they arrived in New York and Cleveland, respectively, in 2008.
Regardless, it won't be easy to replace Jenkins, and if the Jets are going to do it via a trade they've now got less than two hours.
Figures.
Report: Galloway heading to Kansas City
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 20, 2009 1:24 PM ET
Joey Galloway wasn't good enough to stick in New England's receiver rotation, but there may be a spot for him in Kansas City.
Christopher Price of WEEI in Boston writes on Twitter that Galloway is on his way to Kansas City for a workout with the Chiefs.
Kansas City is thin at wide receiver, with Mark Bradley, Bobby Wade, and Bobby Engram behind Dwayne Bowe on the depth chart. Bradley has been somewhat productive (177 yards), but has suffered from a number of mental mistakes.
Galloway struggled to adapt to New England's system, but he didn't struggle getting open too badly in his first few games. He did struggle catching the ball.
Wasn't aware that teams could work out players that have not cleared waivers... weird... guess ya learn something new every day lol
Langlier
10-20-2009, 12:17 PM
Wasn't aware that teams could work out players that have not cleared waivers... weird... guess ya learn something new every day lol
Galloway is a vet and not subject to waivers.
Galloway is a vet and not subject to waivers.
well, you are partially correct..
Only after the trading deadline must vested veterans clear waivers before signing elsewhere.
I had it the other way around, I thought they had to clear waivers PRIOR to the trade deadline, its after the trade deadline that VETs are also subject to clearing waivers....
excuse me for being a complete dumbass :p
Patriots | Re-sign Alexander
Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:21:02 -0700
Ian Rapaport, of the Boston Herald, reports the New England Patriots re-signed LB Eric Alexander Tuesday, Oct. 2
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Shenanigans part 2
Sleet
10-20-2009, 12:54 PM
Wasn't aware that teams could work out players that have not cleared waivers... weird... guess ya learn something new every day lol
Maybe as a vet Joey doesn't have to clear waivers.
Maybe as a vet Joey doesn't have to clear waivers.
ya, I had it backasswards lol.. its AFTER the trade deadline that vets have to clear waivers like everyone else ;)
Sleet
10-20-2009, 01:09 PM
ya, I had it backasswards lol.. its AFTER the trade deadline that vets have to clear waivers like everyone else ;)
To me, something is fishy in NE. If I was a union boss, I'd be looking into what's going on there with all this cutting, resigning players under contract. It seems to me that somebody is circumventing the rules.
To me, something is fishy in NE. If I was a union boss, I'd be looking into what's going on there with all this cutting, resigning players under contract. It seems to me that somebody is circumventing the rules.
I agree.... something doesn't seem right..
........ first trade of the day...
Eagles | Witherspoon acquired
Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:21:00 -0700
Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports the Philadelphia Eagles have acquired LB Will Witherspoon from the St. Louis Rams in exchange for WR Brandon Gibson and a mid-level draft choice.
Sleet
10-20-2009, 08:21 PM
Sounds about right for Bellicheat.
Getting to the bottom of Tuesday's Patriot games
Posted by Mike Florio on October 20, 2009 10:52 PM ET
During a weekly visit with our good friend Todd Wright of Sporting News Radio, the light bulb finally began to flicker.
And, after subjecting Todd's audience to my stream-of-consciousness attempt to comprehend the decision to cut and re-sign linebackers Tully Banta-Cain and Eric Alexander, I finally figured it out. (I could have spared Todd's audience the agony by merely reading what Shalise Manza Young of the Providence Journal had to say about the situation.)
Banta-Cain and Alexander previously had been signed to one-year deals for the veteran minimum. By rule, neither player could have been signed for 2010 by the Patriots until the first day of the 2010 league year.
So the Pats cut them on the eve of the trading deadline, after which they would have been required to pass through waivers. And then the Pats re-signed them (or, in Alexander's case, will re-sign him) to multi-year contracts covering 2010, and possibly beyond.
But this maneuver requires even more advance collusion than the 54-man roster trick, which entails a vested veteran being cut on Saturday and re-signed on Monday. It's possible, if not likely, that the Patriots negotiated the long-term deals with the players' agents before cutting them -- and that the players agreed on a wink-nod basis not to sign elsewhere.
While the tactic might not violate the letter of any league rules, the Competition Committee should find a way to close this loophole, either by preventing such players from being re-signed by the team that cut them or by requiring them to pass through waivers.
As to Alexander, the effort of coach Bill Belichick to explain that he hadn't been cut makes even more sense. Belichick knew he was taking a slight risk that either or both players would decline to honor their handshake commitments to re-sign. So why acknowledge publicly that Alexander was available to a higher bidder?
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