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Birdwell
07-31-2009, 02:48 PM
Like most everyone else who has the time and inclination, I've been following the blogs and news from reporters about the activity of training camp. To an individual, the sportswriters have made fun of what's going on, the focus on fundamentals.

IDIOTS!!!!!!

The Raiders have had absolutely the worst gap discipline on D I have ever seen at the pro level. Really. For the past three years under Ryan, this lack of discipline has cost the Raiders maybe six games a season. Seriously. Watch the highlights for every team that has gashed us with the run, every long run against us, and you will see the RB getting past the line free through what counts as a gaping hole at this level, and the guys in the next line of attack are flailing to make the tackle because they are not in the necessary position to make a form tackle.

At the D-line level, we have guys just going wherever they feel they can get penetration, far too often abandoning their assigned gaps. At LB, Morrison and Howard spend forever and a day looking for the ball, reading the play, and while they do that they get eaten up by O-linemen -- in other words, they are not filling their gap. (At the SAM spot, undersized Ricky Brown last year, and Robert Thomas the year before did a creditable job at exploding their gaps.)

When Stu got to the Redskins he bitched, ''When the runner gets to me, eight guys have already missed him. The highlight, though, would only show me." And Stu would miss that tackle, being too slow to get himself into position to make it. But the broader point is correct -- the front 7 and the SS are just letting guys run free at the single high FS.

Marshall, from what I've been able to tell from some comments by Cable, looks to be installing an all odd-gap front, likely a 73-53, maybe 73-52 -- where the Raiders the last four years have run a 73-52, with the RDT lining up over the LG and being responsible for both the 1 and 3 gaps. Executed properly, this D will not even give up 3 yards per carry. Of course, no plan survives contact with the enemy, and there will be plenty of times that the execution is less than perfect. Overall, however, there is no reason to average worse than 4 yard per carry. When the Giants' D is at it's best, when the Philly D is at its best, they're executing this scheme to perfection. (Again, God rest Jim Johnson's soul.)

This attacking style of D is more aggressive, with plenty of run blitzes to push the action to the O side of scrimmage. Three guys blow their assignments, and it'll be worse than it was under Ryan.

On the flip side, this present the opportunity to the C to fine tune his line callls, and the QB to fine tune pre-snap read and audibles. It gives the O-line and the rest of the O to get accustomed to the QB's cadence, work on timing. For WRs, it's about setting up the CBs, reading the coverage.

A lot of the problems that this team has had come from poor execution of stuff we learn at the Pop Warner level. And we learn it the same way, except not as long because it's little kids with short attention spans and they're not getting paid big bucks. Cable stressed that you get the mind right, the body follows. I would put it this way: Once you know what you're supposed to be doing, really KNOW, you can act without thinking and use your athletic ability to get the job done.

And the reporters don't know what to cover. At least they could tell us whether in fact the Raiders have gotten away from the 73-52. It's just not that hard to see where the D-linemen line up, and which gaps the LBs are hitting.

I know that we're supposed to put training camp stuff in the one thread, but it's getting very long, and this is something I really needed to vent my spleen about, hopefully getting some people to read and comment. Hard when there are fifty-eleven discussions all going at once.

Don't taze me, bror.

brick
07-31-2009, 04:34 PM
Great post Bird,

Not sure what you expect from the media though, most of them have no idea what they are looking at on Sunday, let alone when they break things down in practice, and those that do can't write about it because their editors would nix it before it ever saw print, since joe blow on the street just wants to know about JR's weight and how fast McFadden looks.

Sleet
07-31-2009, 05:27 PM
Bird: I'm been pinning so long this offseason, waiting for football, these (boring) learning practices are hard to read about. That's my grip (along with Cable passing on the extra mini-camp, where more of this could have been done, as HB pointed out).

But, the press should be able to say something about schemes, particularly on defenses. And, of course, if the team plays with more discipline, Cable will be declared a "Genius." If not, not.

Xplosive
07-31-2009, 06:38 PM
Bro. lol love the post..

For one thing. This is a Good thing cable is doing with this very young team. why, covers the fundamentals, its great very great because this is making sure you know your job. know what to do. communication is going on. this havent been done in almost 12 years, as amatter of fact it hasnt been this much teaching for the raiders in quite some time.

the Coaches that are here and the former players that are comming in and teaching through out camp. like Rod woodson teaching Safeties, and Gannon due to show up for some Russell teachings. This is a good camp. Cable is giving everyone this week to learn and know what to do. because come monday there shouldnt be many questions. just doing.

If you consistantly teach a man to fish pretty soon he will arrive up on a honey hole. as for the media. they are just trying to please the couch potato's who go out and say they can make that catch or make that throw, yet cant even maintain the house.

some people say practice can make perfect. but perfect practice can make you a champion. monday will start the beganing of phase 2 the physical. this year the defense is to inflict pain. they want the team to communicate and coach themselves on the field. which has been lacking around here.

I agree with what your saying as usual. as for the sam position, the last few games it looked like jon alston is the natural for that position he even put on the weight for it... and also out of kirk and howard, Ive seen him hit the hardest when he put slayton down in that texans game.

The biggest problem is that we are not using these fast linebackers speed on the blitz and kirk is too busy watching the quarterback... majority of good defensive units, give the Quarterback a 7 second count some less, they wait for a brief stint and then they dont allow a quarterback the time to kill them. Kirk's a good dude but he is going to have to get loud and nasty and focus on hitting, stopping the run, and when he is suppose to be in coverage to make sure his zone is covered. thats why I lobbyed for laurnitis, he can bark it and walk it..

Kirk is going to have to step it up. and last but not least. Marshall is bringing the heat this year. looking foward to it.

I know me and you are really for the gap filling Defense. you know im a Send 5 dont let the quarterback be alive style of blitzing guy..

Basicalll here is the bare truth on the Raiders

1. JaMarcus looks good in his position, Garcia is really no more than a back up. unless russell fall's flat on his face. you cant really tell if he is over weight with all those shirts and he usually slims as the seaon draws closer.

2. Darrius Heyward-bey like anyother receiver will need a few catches will get him up ang going. he has been catching well.

3. Sands is in solid shape. Warren is in shape.

4. Im looking at john alston to be a new leader in the linebacking corps

5. The Safties are getting a dose of rod woodson safety school which is good.

thats all I got for you bro. hope to see some blitzing and some gap filling this year as well.

take care bro. still no sign of speed??

dont forget its Us Vs the world for 50 years now. Thanks to our leader the Mighty Icon of football Al Davis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhnIKKUXjcM -raiders vs the world



Geaux Raiders

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Birdwell
08-01-2009, 11:34 AM
Thanks, y'all.

News from the front, more and more players are buying in, asking more and more questions, realizing that this is the time to get the mental and basic stuff down, many surprised how much they're getting out of it. Per Cable, on the feedback from veteran players: "Lorenzo said to me, in 17 years I've never seen anything like this, but I can't believe how much we're getting out of it."

Cable also said this is something that college coaches did, that he did. The reason he's doing it here is he noted that the team has a lot of young talent, and watching film last year they weren't down on the execution and basic stuff. So, just like in college when you have a bunch of highschool kids coming in, some of whom you're going to count on helping you right away, you have to getthem mentally comfortable so they can go full speed.

Funny thing, Cable noted that the second day of practice was very third-down intensive and that the reporters probably noted that. I didn't catch any reporter actually mentioning that. I wonder whether they didn't notice, or just didn't think that we care.

RaiderNorth
08-01-2009, 12:06 PM
Too busy counting drops and hiring carnies to guess JR's weight.

Birdwell
08-01-2009, 01:59 PM
Too busy counting drops and hiring carnies to guess JR's weight.

To quote the snail: What the hell was that all about?

RaiderNorth
08-01-2009, 02:43 PM
A practice of positioning and technique without any hitting or completed plays leaves the media looking for the easy story. Much harder to explain what is going on and what it is designed to improve than just resort to the usual sideshow tricks -- picking an easy target and making useless observations. And for the Raiders DHB and Russell are easy targets until they make it otherwise.

RaiderNorth
08-01-2009, 02:44 PM
Funny thing, Cable noted that the second day of practice was very third-down intensive and that the reporters probably noted that. I didn't catch any reporter actually mentioning that. I wonder whether they didn't notice, or just didn't think that we care.

This was the quote I was referring to.

Birdwell
08-01-2009, 08:21 PM
Thanks RN. Brain not working as well as I would like on a Saturday.