Oakland Raiders Pre-Camp report: FOX

[GRIM]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamReport?categoryId=67050&type=InsideSlant
"Expect the unexpected"

[Jack's sore libido]

Oh my ...

Schilens had touchdown receptions in each of the last two games and his jump-and-catch skill is one reason why Michael Crabtree was bypassed in favor of speedy Purdue wideout Darrius Heyward-Bey.

[Point&Shoot]

This was already posted in the training camp preview thread, although it was linked to

yahoo sports. Just curious, with no author cited, does anybody happen to know the

source of these "team reports"?

[Birdwell]

Knowing the author would be interesting, as maybe a good 20% of this seems to have been cribbed from Jerry McDonald's blog. Then there's DHB being from Purdue, and John Bowie as the only CB with any experience after Asomugha and Johnson. Oh, and Lee and Higgins each had two returns for TDs. Yeah.

Whoever the author is, neither they nor the editor appears to have heard of proofreading or fact-checking.

[Limee]

I bet they have heard of drugs though.

[TheMadStork]

Whoever the author is, neither they nor the editor appears to have heard of proofreading or fact-checking.

It's from FOX, what do you expect? Why should their sports reporting be any better than their "news" division?

[Postmaster]

It's from FOX, what do you expect? Why should their sports reporting be any better than their "news" division?

Fox News told me last night that Hope and Change isn't working out so well. What did your newscast say?

[Jack's sore libido]

My news cast told me that 71 percent of Republicans would actually vote for that batshit crazy nutbag Sarah Palin.

[Postmaster]

My news cast told me that 71 percent of Republicans would actually vote for that batshit crazy nutbag Sarah Palin.

Look up John Holdren, the new science czar if you want batshit crazy. Palin has got nothing on this fruitloop. I bet MSNBC didn't warn you about him.

[Jack's sore libido]

Sarah Palin thinks the planet is 6,000 years old and we're all descendant of a man and a woman made out of that man's rib.

I don't know anything about Holdren, but he can't be crazier than that.

[Postmaster]

Are you sure?

John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet


Book he authored in 1977 advocates for extreme totalitarian measures to control the population




Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A "Planetary Regime" with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology -- informally known as the United States' Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force

[Jack's sore libido]

You're going back 32 years to discredit the guy?

[Postmaster]

You're going back 32 years to discredit the guy?

You have got to be kidding me. You are joking right?

I will go back 100 years if someone is advocating forced abortions, forced sterilization, and a planetary police force.

This is some serious crazy $hit. If you can't see that you need help.

[DonkeyKilla]

PM- my guess is you did not read the book. Just a hunch but let me know if i'm wrong.

[Postmaster]

PM- my guess is you did not read the book. Just a hunch but let me know if i'm wrong.

Just the cliff notes. Enjoy.

http://www.zombietime.com/john_holdren/

One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption—especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone. If a single mother really wished to keep her baby, she might be obliged to go through adoption proceedings and demonstrate her ability to support and care for it. Adoption proceedings probably should remain more difficult for single people than for married couples, in recognition of the relative difficulty of raising children alone. It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society.

Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.

Perhaps those agencies, combined with UNEP and the United Nations population agencies, might eventually be developed into a Planetary Regime—sort of an international superagency for population, resources, and environment. Such a comprehensive Planetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or nonrenewable, at least insofar as international implications exist. Thus the Regime could have the power to control pollution not only in the atmosphere and oceans, but also in such freshwater bodies as rivers and lakes that cross international boundaries or that discharge into the oceans. The Regime might also be a logical central agency for regulating all international trade, perhaps including assistance from DCs to LDCs, and including all food on the international market.

The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries' shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits.

[Jack's sore libido]

You have got to be kidding me. You are joking right?

I will go back 100 years if someone is advocating forced abortions, forced sterilization, and a planetary police force.

This is some serious crazy $hit. If you can't see that you need help.

People can change a lot about what they think in 32 years.

[Postmaster]

People can change a lot about what they think in 32 years.

Yeah but that is just a little extreme wouldn't you say. Maybe too extreme to hold a high position in the United States Gov't?

[DonkeyKilla]

so PM- who makes the cliff notes? my guess is that there was a lot of set up to these suggestions to put them in context. All suggestions to deal with overpopulation are going to be unpleasant- i really don't have a problem with someone theorizing or coming up with possible solutions- unpleasant or not - as long as they are just that. You act as if he was advocating we implement these things when i doubt that is the case.
My guess is you got the information from someone with an agenda. Of course i have not read the book either but it's easy to take things out of context is all i'm saying.

[Postmaster]

so PM- who makes the cliff notes? my guess is that there was a lot of set up to these suggestions to put them in context. All suggestions to deal with overpopulation are going to be unpleasant- i really don't have a problem with someone theorizing or coming up with possible solutions- unpleasant or not - as long as they are just that. You act as if he was advocating we implement these things when i doubt that is the case.
My guess is you got the information from someone with an agenda. Of course i have not read the book either but it's easy to take things out of context is all i'm saying.

I would hope someone would have an agenda against this nut.

I read his quotes from the book verbatim. Forced abortions, forced sterilization. His words.

[Jack's sore libido]

Yeah but that is just a little extreme wouldn't you say.
Absolutely.

32 years ago, he wrote some extreme stuff. Palin is crazy NOW. And a large majority of Republicans would vote for her for PRESIDENT, not some appointed advisory position. LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.

[Postmaster]

Absolutely.

32 years ago, he wrote some extreme stuff. Palin is crazy NOW. And a large majority of Republicans would vote for her for PRESIDENT, not some appointed advisory position. LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.

Is Palin openly suggesting forced abortions? I don't see how they compare.

By the way Holdren has never been questioned about nor has he recanted his beliefs. So one could assume he still holds those thoughts.

[DonkeyKilla]

end of conversation. If i want conservative talking points i know where to find them already.

[Postmaster]

end of conversation. If i want conservative talking points i know where to find them already.

What talking points?

[Raider Nation]

Is Palin openly suggesting forced abortions? I don't see how they compare.

By the way Holdren has never been questioned about nor has he recanted his beliefs. So one could assume he still holds those thoughts.

One could assume he worships a 10ft. tall bunny rabbit too. See how much fun we can have with assumptions?

[Postmaster]

One could assume he worships a 10ft. tall bunny rabbit too. See how much fun we can have with assumptions?

But he wrote a book. There is a record. They are his words.

[Raider Nation]

But he wrote a book. There is a record. They are his words.

And I bet he attended an Easter event too. He was there. People saw him.

[Postmaster]

And I bet he attended an Easter event too. He was there. People saw him.

Do you really want someone who worships a 10ft Easter bunny as the science czar?

[Raider Nation]

Do you really want someone who worships a 10ft Easter bunny as the science czar?

It means about as much to me as him putting his hand on the Bible and taking an oath of office, to be honest.

I'd actually rather it be 7/28 so we can finally talk about something substantive in here instead of threads discussing a poll on which rookie will look the best in shells, Vick being better than 60% of the current QBs starting, Jamie Dukes, and a fucking parrot.

Throw in Nips and you have the makings of a sweet Rick James cover band.

[Postmaster]

It means about as much to me as him putting his hand on the Bible and taking an oath of office, to be honest.

I'd actually rather it be 7/28 so we can finally talk about something substantive in here instead of threads discussing a poll on which rookie will look the best in shells, Vick being better than 60% of the current QBs starting, Jamie Dukes, and a fucking parrot.

Throw in Nips and you have the makings of a sweet Rick James cover band.

David White "tweeting" live from Napa next week. Dig it!

[Jack's sore libido]

Is Palin openly suggesting forced abortions? I don't see how they compare.

Palin is crazy in her own, unique ways.

And these Republicans (aka future Whigs) want her to be president. PRESIDENT!!!

That's so much scarier than being "science czar."

[Postmaster]

Palin is crazy in her own, unique ways.

I don't think it gets crazier than forced abortions is all I am saying.

Where is the moral equivalency?

[Random Dude]

It means about as much to me as him putting his hand on the Bible and taking an oath of office, to be honest.

I'd actually rather it be 7/28 so we can finally talk about something substantive in here instead of threads discussing a poll on which rookie will look the best in shells, Vick being better than 60% of the current QBs starting, Jamie Dukes, and a fucking parrot.

Throw in Nips and you have the makings of a sweet Rick James cover band.

:pound:

[Jack's sore libido]

I don't think it gets crazier than forced abortions is all I am saying.

32 years ago.