Off-Topic: Cutler to Bears!!

[massraider]

On NFL.com right now. No details yet.

Woo hoo!!

[massraider]

Eisen just said 09 1st, 2010 1st, 2009, 3rd, & Kyle Orton for Cutler & 09 5th

[BigTron]

Haha thats fucking awesome. The Bronco's have Kyle Orton. Is this a awesome dream or is this shit actually happening. Did a 25 year old probowl Qb just get moved out of the division?

[DarthRaidor]

Eisen just said 09 1st, 2010 1st, 2009, 3rd, & Kyle Orton for Cutler & 09 5th

Got Damn kilogram! I called this with my boy just this morning.

[DarthRaidor]

Eisen just said 09 1st, 2010 1st, 2009, 3rd, & Kyle Orton for Cutler & 09 5th

Damn, talk about givin up some shit.

[Langlier]

brutal package to give up for a team thats not a QB away.

[BigTron]

brutal package to give up for a team thats not a QB away.

I wouldnt be mad if i were a Bears fan. They fuck up the draft alot and havent had a solid QB in ages...

[massraider]

brutal package to give up for a team thats not a QB away.

Maybe, but the Beaars haven't had a QB this good.........ever.

[BigTron]

The Bears are a way better team with a pro-bowl QB. They might be a QB away form going deep into the NFC playoffs. They have some nice weapons in Forte, Greg Olsen and Hester. The D just needs to start playing like they usually do.

[hawaiianboy]

Here's to the Bears making it deep into the playoffs and jacking up the Donx picks...


I fully expect the drama in Denver to continue because I guarantee you Brandon Marshall is going to be asshurt about McDaniels trading his boy...

Kyle Orton and Chris Simms :D

[007]

Orton WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[raiderdog]

HaHaHaHaHaHa. Wooo. That was a good laugh! I would expect the Donks to package there two 1st rounders to move up. I think they will go after Sanchez and use the best of there two QB's as a stopgap. If not they are morons.

[Langlier]

More then I'd like to see the Broncos get but if even one of those firsts busts out I'm a happy guy to get him out of the division.

[007]

ESPN reporting:

09 1
10 1
Orton

for

Cutler
09 3rd

If thats the case, it isnt steep at all. Its a flat out bargain.

A top 10 QB with 3yrs left on his deal and is 26 year old is now out of the division for good.

[massraider]

From PFT:

Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reports that the Chicago Bears have sent two first-round picks, a third-round pick, and quarterback Kyle Orton to the Broncos for quarterback Jay Cutler and a fifth-round draft pick.

The Bears held the 18th pick in the first round of the draft.

Per NFLPA records, Orton is signed through 2009, at a base salary of $995,000.

UPDATE: John Clayton of ESPN.com says that the deal involves the Broncos getting Orton and two first-round picks, and the Bears getting Cutler and a third-round pick.

SECOND UPDATE: Glazer now reports that it’s two first-round picks and Orton for Cutler and a five.

Still up in the air.

[raiderdog]

ESPN reporting:

09 1
10 1
Orton

for

Cutler
09 3rd

If thats the case, it isnt steep at all. Its a flat out bargain.

A top 10 QB with 3yrs left on his deal and is 26 year old is now out of the division for good.

SECOND UPDATE: Glazer now reports that it’s two first-round picks and Orton for Cutler and a five.

THIRD UPDATE: NFL.com reports that the Bears are giving up two first-rounder, a third-rounder, and Orton for only Cutler.

Confused - ESPN Reports: The Chicago Bears pulled the big upset Thursday afternoon by acquiring Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler.

To acquire Cutler, the Bears had to give up quarterback Kyle Orton and first-round picks in 2009 and 2010, along with a third-round pick in 2009.

Jay Cutler
Jay Cutler
#6 QB
Denver Broncos

2008 STATS

* Att616
* Comp384
* Yds4457
* TD25
* Int18
* Rat86.0

To complete the trade, the Broncos had to give back a fifth-round pick in 2009. That pick was acquired by the Broncos from the Seattle Seahawks in a trade for wide receiver Keary Colbert.

The Bears beat out the Redskins, Buccaneers, Lions, Titans and other teams to land the 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback. The Broncos had made it clear they were asking for at least two first-round choices.

FOURTH UPDATE: The initial terms were the right terms — Broncos get Orton, two first-rounders, and a third-rounder, and the Bears get Cutler and a fifth-rounder. Per the Bears’ official announcement.


Looks like McDaniel learned the lesson from his old boss of stacking draft picks. Lets hope Chicago tears it up with Cutler this year.

[Raidervinny]

Now that Shanahan is out of the picture think there's any chance that we deal our #7 pick to Denver for their two first rounders?

[Byron2112]

Michael Vick's available. :D

[raiderdog]

Now that Shanahan is out of the picture think there's any chance that we deal our #7 pick to Denver for their two first rounders?

Only if they throw in Kyle Orton!

[hawaiianboy]

Mike Shanahan's got to be somewhere nibbling on cheese and laughing his ass off...

[massraider]

Now that Shanahan is out of the picture think there's any chance that we deal our #7 pick to Denver for their two first rounders?

No

[DarthRaidor]

Damn, the Bears got busy this offseason. I see they also picked up both of the OL guys I wanted, Pace and Shaffer.

[BigTron]

Yeah the Bears are going to be good this year. That division has a bunch of equal teams. Should be fun to watch Bears/GB this year.

[Byron2112]

Mike Shanahan's got to be somewhere nibbling on cheese and laughing his ass off...


Too fucking funny.

I can only hope McDaniel's draft prowess matches Al's when he hit the Gruden lottery.

[007]

They signed Pace today?

Nice.

[DarthRaidor]

They signed Pace today?

Nice.

Yep. Pace and Shaffer were my faves for our OL this offseason. We ended up with Barnes (who I don't like) and Pears who I've never heard of. Lets hope for the best with our guys cause this is one time where I think Al dropped the ball.

[Random Dude]

Pace will look great as Bear and then get injured by week 8. He hasn't played a full season in a few years now. Personally, I am glad Al didn't sign Pace.

[DarthRaidor]

Pace will look great as Bear and then get injured by week 8. He hasn't played a full season in a few years now. Personally, I am glad Al didn't sign Pace.

I don't know, you might have a point but I still say he would'a been a better pickup than Barnes. I know Barnes came cheap and all, but you get what you pay for. I live in Jacksonville fl right now and I havent met one damn soul that likes this dude or was sorry to see him go.

[BigTron]

Pace was once great but he isnt worth a 3 year deal. He cant stay on the field and isnt his usual dominant self anymore. Why would the Rams let go a guy who could help Bulger stay upright?

[raiderman22]

a 1st and 3rd this year
a 1st next year

For Cuttler and a 5th this year.

Wow! The Bears really wanted him. That should hurt Denver pretty good, even though they got a lot of draft picks. I live in Chicago, and I can tell you that Orton is not that good and he doesn't fit their system very good. In the end we got rid of Cuttler. You know Marshall, Schfleler, and Royal can't be happy about this.

[Raidermania12]

I don't know, you might have a point but I still say he would'a been a better pickup than Barnes. .
In what reality is a guy who's not playing because because of injury mostly a better investment than a career starter?. Not saying barnes is pro bowl level, but he's not kwame harris level either. People are too damn absolute sometimes. :confused:

[Madturk]

Man you would have thunk Minny would have gone balls out to try to sign him. They're a Qb away from being a legit SB contender IMO.

[raiderdog]

At least someone is thinking like me. I agree with this. It will completely change the board.


Next Up For Broncos A Move Up In Round One?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2009, 7:56 p.m.

The Broncos have emerged from the Jay Cutler fiasco with two first-round picks: No. 12 and No. 18.

So the next question is whether the Broncos will slap those two picks together and try to move in position to get one of the top two quarterbacks in the draft — Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez.

Under the outdated trade chart, the 12th pick is worth 1,200 points and the 18th pick is worth 900. This gives the Broncos (hang on while I get my calculator) 2,100 points. That puts them 100 south of the third spot, 300 north of No. 4.

So with the Rams unlikely to take a quarterback at No. 2, the Broncos could get in position to get whichever quarterback the Lions don’t take (if they take a quarterback) by trading up with the Chiefs at No. 3 or the Seahawks at No. 4.

Typically, division rivals shy away from transacting business. The connection between Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli could help. But Pioli’s ultimate willingness likely will be influenced by his own evaluation of Stafford/Sanchez — and by the question of whether the Chiefs can trade down with someone else.

If, for example, Pioli thinks that one or both of them will become the next Tom Brady, Pioli won’t be inclined to put himself in position to play the kid twice per year. So don’t be surprised if the Chiefs bring in one of both players for a visit.

Another factor would be whether the Chiefs really want to use the third overall pick. Our guess is that Pioli would trade down for more picks if he could, based on how he did business in New England.

Regardless, the drama will continue in Denver. Unless they think Kyle Orton is the answer.

OK, I think I peed a little while laughing at that one.

[Madturk]

Would love it if the Chiefs traded down and passed on Aaron Curry. I don't want that guy in our division. I can't believe the Donks would go into the season with Orton and Simms as their QB's.

[DarthRaidor]

In what reality is a guy who's not playing because because of injury mostly a better investment than a career starter?. Not saying barnes is pro bowl level, but he's not kwame harris level either. People are too damn absolute sometimes. :confused:

Pace by way of a physical done on him by the Bears has been given a clean bill of health. Pace is a multi pro-bowler who is on his way to the hall of fame. Pace was also given a 3 year deal by the Bears compared to our 1 year "prove it" deal with Barnes. You say that Barnes isn't at Kwame Harris's level? How come he gave up just as many sacks last year as Kwame Harris did? He fell out of favor miserably with both the Jag's team as well as their fans and when he got busted for his dui last year the only thing he had to say for himself was "it's all because of you racist white devil's pickin on me cause I'm black" Is this the guy you would rather have? A race baiting whiner instead of a future HOF'er? With all due respect but I think it is you who need's the reality check bro.

[raiderdog]

Pace by way of a physical done on him by the Bears has been given a clean bill of health. Pace is a multi pro-bowler who is on his way to the hall of fame. Pace was also given a 3 year deal by the Bears compared to our 1 year "prove it" deal with Barnes. You say that Barnes isn't at Kwame Harris's level? How come he gave up just as many sacks last year as Kwame Harris did? He fell out of favor miserably with both the Jag's team as well as their fans and when he got busted for his dui last year the only thing he had to say for himself was "it's all because of you racist white devil's pickin on me cause I'm black" Is this the guy you would rather have? A race baiting whiner instead of a future HOF'er? With all due respect but I think it is you who need's the reality check bro.

Jason Peters gave up 11.5 sacks and went to the Pro Bowl. Barnes gave up 7.5 in 16 starts. Kwame gave up 7.5 in 11 starts. As for race. I am Japanese. I am pretty sure we are not in the NFL. But we kicked the "White Devil's" ass in baseball (this part is meant to be funny).

[Langlier]

Jason Peters gave up 11.5 sacks and went to the Pro Bowl. Barnes gave up 7.5 in 16 starts. Kwame gave up 7.5 in 11 starts. As for race. I am Japanese. I am pretty sure we are not in the NFL. But we kicked the "White Devil's" ass in baseball (this part is meant to be funny).

Dat Nguyen :)

ok so hes not japanese... at least hes got a japanese name

[007]

LOL.

Beat me by about ten seconds, Lang!

[DarthRaidor]

Jason Peters gave up 11.5 sacks and went to the Pro Bowl. Barnes gave up 7.5 in 16 starts. Kwame gave up 7.5 in 11 starts. As for race. I am Japanese. I am pretty sure we are not in the NFL. But we kicked the "White Devil's" ass in baseball (this part is meant to be funny).

Then why didn't the Jags make any attempt whatsoever to resign him? In fact no one besides Al even offered this dude a contract this offseason and what about the Jag fans? They were all too happy to see his ass go. My point is, if the Raiders are ever going to get any better they need to quit looking at cast off's that nobody wants and get proven guys to anchor the lines.

[Raidermania12]

Jason Peters gave up 11.5 sacks and went to the Pro Bowl. .

I guess he's a bum too since we are going for "one stat" answers. Anybody who thinks Kwame Harris breaks even with Barnes is cracked out imo. Either way I'm not trying to change the passionate hatred someone may have for barnes, just reminding people to lay off the extremes sometimes.

[Madturk]

Then why didn't the Jags make any attempt whatsoever to resign him? In fact no one besides Al even offered this dude a contract this offseason and what about the Jag fans? They were all too happy to see his ass go. My point is, if the Raiders are ever going to get any better they need to quit looking at cast off's that nobody wants and get proven guys to anchor the lines.


Guy had one bad season when the entire Jag OL was in tatters with injuries and such, he was pretty solid before that. Besides he's probably going to wind up at RT anyway. Cable whiffed on the Kwame Harris experiment but I'd consider Barnes, Satele and Pears an upgrade over what we had last season.

[DarthRaidor]

I guess he's a bum too since we are going for "one stat" answers. Anybody who thinks Kwame Harris breaks even with Barnes is cracked out imo. Either way I'm not trying to change the passionate hatred someone may have for barnes, just reminding people to lay off the extremes sometimes.

Look guys, I'm only pointing out the facts here. I'm not makin any of this shit up. I also recently moved to Jacksonville Fl. and I've asked around about Barnes and this is exactly what the Jag fans say about him. If I'm wrong I'll be the 1st to admit it but what I hear about Barnes from diehard Jag fans isn't good.

[007]

Yeah I take Pace for 3 years over Barnes for 1 year every time.

[RaiderJF]

Bears have to be happy with this deal. Not many opportunities to get a proven top-flight QB. Teams can search for that guy and burn multiple 1st round picks in the search. Besides, what were they going to get with that #18 pick?? Josh Freeman??

As for the Donkeys, does anyone really think that Kyle Orton is going to lead this team to the promised land?? But the Donkeys have some serious ammo with 4 first round picks in the next two years. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a move to go after Sanchez and give Orton a year as starter while Sanchez develops. In any case, this will set the Donkeys back a couple of years... And they better use those picks wisely or they will be in division basement for a while.

[raiderdog]

Dat Nguyen :)

ok so hes not japanese... at least hes got a japanese name

Damn. We do all look alike to you people. Vietnamese. You ever heard of a anime or video game player named Dat. Geez!

[raiderdog]

Then why didn't the Jags make any attempt whatsoever to resign him? In fact no one besides Al even offered this dude a contract this offseason and what about the Jag fans? They were all too happy to see his ass go. My point is, if the Raiders are ever going to get any better they need to quit looking at cast off's that nobody wants and get proven guys to anchor the lines.

Why did the Ram's not resign Pace. Why wasn't it a bidding war to sign him. Why did the bears sign him and another tackle. Doesn't sound like overwhelming confidence to me. I think the Raiders want someone to push Mario not replace him. I think Barnes and Pears will duke it out for RT. I wouldn't be surprised to see us still draft a tackle if the right one is there.

[TheNextStep]

Dat Nguyen :)

ok so hes not japanese... at least hes got a japanese name

For starters, Gig 'Em Ags.

Having said that, however, Dat Nguyen isn't even remotely a Japanese name.

Just sayin'...

[007]

Why did the Ram's not resign Pace. Why wasn't it a bidding war to sign him. Why did the bears sign him and another tackle. Doesn't sound like overwhelming confidence to me. I think the Raiders want someone to push Mario not replace him. I think Barnes and Pears will duke it out for RT. I wouldn't be surprised to see us still draft a tackle if the right one is there.

Why did it take 3 weeks to sign Khalif Barnes, or a month before Bryant McFadden and Duke Preston found a job? A guy like Matt Birk was on the market for a couple weeks...

Why hasnt Torry Holt or Mike Furrey signed yet?

Just because they don't sign immediately after they are cut (Or the non-media hasnt heard much about them) doesnt mean there isnt interest or a bunch of offers a guy is weighing.

An Orlando Pace with one shoulder at 34 years old, is still a starting caliber player.

[raiderdog]

Why did it take 3 weeks to sign Khalif Barnes, or a month before Bryant McFadden and Duke Preston found a job? A guy like Matt Birk was on the market for a couple weeks...

Why hasnt Torry Holt or Mike Furrey signed yet?

Just because they don't sign immediately after they are cut (Or the non-media hasnt heard much about them) doesnt mean there isnt interest or a bunch of offers a guy is weighing.

An Orlando Pace with one shoulder at 34 years old, is still a starting caliber player.

Should we start a poll on how many games Pace will play this year.

Season Team G GS
2008 St. Louis Rams 14 14
2007 St. Louis Rams 1 1
2006 St. Louis Rams 8 8

I am not sure if you have noticed our roster as of late. It is getting younger not older. We are trying to build a core of players to be together for years. If Pace is playing at age 34 (I do respect the man...great player) that means someone younger is not. If we can replace Green this season Cooper will be the old man on the line at 31. I think most of us would like to see someone step in and take his place as well. Here is the list of players on the current roster that are 30+.

8 Marques Tuiasosopo QB 30
84 Javon Walker WR 30
56 Derrick Burgess DE 30
61 Gerard Warren DT 30
11 Sebastian Janikowski K 31
66 Cooper Carlisle G 31
74 Cornell Green T 32
9 Shane Lechler P 32
71 John Wade C 34

[massraider]

Listening to Mark Schlereth spin this on ESPN has been warming my heart all day. So hilarious.

[doug7dust]

Now that Shanahan is out of the picture think there's any chance that we deal our #7 pick to Denver for their two first rounders?

maybe but it is the broncos

[DarthRaidor]

Why did the Ram's not resign Pace. Why wasn't it a bidding war to sign him. Why did the bears sign him and another tackle. Doesn't sound like overwhelming confidence to me. I think the Raiders want someone to push Mario not replace him. I think Barnes and Pears will duke it out for RT. I wouldn't be surprised to see us still draft a tackle if the right one is there.


Pace was released by St Louis because he refused to restructure his contract again after he has already done this for the Rams several times over. He has/ had a very cap friendly contract and he took and passed a physical so his health isn't an issue as of now. I thought bringing him and Shaffer in would've solidified our line for years to come. Shaffer already proved he is near pro-bowl caliber in the Cable ZBS so he should've been a no brainer and I thought bringing in Pace would help protect Jamarcus and school Mario in the finer points before he takes over.

[raiderdog]

Pace was released by St Louis because he refused to restructure his contract again after he has already done this for the Rams several times over. He has/ had a very cap friendly contract and he took and passed a physical so his health isn't an issue as of now. I thought bringing him and Shaffer in would've solidified our line for years to come. Shaffer already proved he is near pro-bowl caliber in the Cable ZBS so he should've been a no brainer and I thought bringing in Pace would help protect Jamarcus and school Mario in the finer points before he takes over.

Chicago did. I am surprised we weren't interested in Shaffer. He is 29, so not exactly a youth movement player. Pace as a ZBS fit...doesn't sound right. Here is a clip from the announcement of the Pace signing.

Pace is expected to compete with Kevin Shaffer at right tackle. But Pace also could step in if 2008 first-rounder Chris Williams struggles on the left side.

I think we also have to take into account the possibility that we will take a tackle in the draft. Only two spots and you can't learn from the bench.

[DarthRaidor]

Chicago did. I am surprised we weren't interested in Shaffer. He is 29, so not exactly a youth movement player. Pace as a ZBS fit...doesn't sound right. Here is a clip from the announcement of the Pace signing.

Pace is expected to compete with Kevin Shaffer at right tackle. But Pace also could step in if 2008 first-rounder Chris Williams struggles on the left side.

I think we also have to take into account the possibility that we will take a tackle in the draft. Only two spots and you can't learn from the bench.

I agree, Pace isn't a great fit for the ZBS but he would protect the hell outta Jamarcus and give Mario some good pointers on pass protection. Shaffer is a fricken stud in the Cable ZBS so I too wonder why we didn't give him a harder look.

[gst8]

Damn. We do all look alike to you people. Vietnamese. You ever heard of a anime or video game player named Dat. Geez!

Hines Ward? :D

[raiderdog]

Hines Ward? :D

Half Korean Half African American. Close but no cigar.

[gst8]

Half Korean Half African American. Close but no cigar.

How bout one Mr. Noriaki Kinoshita?

[RaiderNationUK]

More breaking news on the Cutler trade:

The Bears haven’t finished adding depth at QB yet. They are reported to be in negotiations with Mike Mills, Peewee league superstar quarterback from Texas.
The expected depth chart going into the season will be: Grossman, Cutler and Mills.

So Chicago will have a QB that looks like a 5 year old, one that acts like a 5 year old and on that is an actual 5 year old.

[Armyr8rfan]

brutal package to give up for a team thats not a QB away.

Minnesota will regret not getting a deal done. You put Cutler there, they are legit SB contenders until AP, and their DL start aging.

[s.dot88]

Minnesota will regret not getting a deal done. You put Cutler there, they are legit SB contenders until AP, and their DL start aging.

my thoughts exactly

they are literally a QB away from being a dominant team, and a team within their division just got a franchise guy

[Raidermania12]

Yeah I take Pace for 3 years over Barnes for 1 year every time.
Yea, but was that your realistic options. Pace turned down another team to sign with the Bears after they got Cutler, meaning that our only way to increase odds of signing him is to overpay him. "Would you take an overpaid possibly 5 year deal Pace?" is probably a closer to reality question(though he may still spit in our faces at that notion). Regretting not having guys who didn't want to be here? Not really a healthy way to be.

[Raidermania12]

As far as Culter goes, I don't think he's as good as advertised mainly because of his brash egocentric elements he's had since college. I think he reads the internet threads saying "if he had a defense he'd be in the SB", or "Vaderbilt's team sucked besides him, he was being great on a bad team"... Because he seems more arrogant than ever. With that said he was an exceptional talent and i think it helps the bears, But not to a SB contender level.

[jatfly]

I think Cutler is a above average QB and this is a steal for Da Bears. The only problem the Bears have now is they still don't have a WR worth a Damn. I bet their TE's will have some huge fantasy numbers this coming season. I totally think he makes them a play off team this season. The Vike QB issue will hurt them again. Packers are strong and could be real good this year. Det SUCKS huge penis so the Bears have a great chance, I seriously don't know if Pace makes it out of camp he is a injury waiting to happen...

Now that McDaniels have upset the apple cart this team is a mess. D sucks, No QB, and a pissy WR that will only be more pissy if he isn't getting the ball, (well that is if he isn't suspended).

whats not to love about this!!! I may even have a little soft spot for Cutler when he plays the Broncos this year and root for him!!!

[RaiderNationUK]

2 things not to love about this trade.

1) Cutler and his bottom lip can no longer be a hinderence to the Donkeys with all of his whining

2) The Donks are loaded with 4 first rounders for the next 2 years. And lets be honest, one of those 1st rounders next year is bound to be high!

[DonkeyKilla]

2 things not to love about this trade.

1) Cutler and his bottom lip can no longer be a hinderence to the Donkeys with all of his whining

2) The Donks are loaded with 4 first rounders for the next 2 years. And lets be honest, one of those 1st rounders next year is bound to be high!

high first rounders are not necessarily a good thing. ask any GM in the league and they will tell you they don't want a top 5 pick because of the money guarnteed to an unproven player.

[RaiderNationUK]

high first rounders are not necessarily a good thing. ask any GM in the league and they will tell you they don't want a top 5 pick because of the money guarnteed to an unproven player.

Which is why Al's stance on Russell was so crucial for league owners.

There is no doubt that the money you have to pay a top 5 pick is crazy, but, 4 first rounders gives you a shot at a lot of serious talent. Not to mention bargaining chips for further trades if you really don't want to draft.

Yes, I know, the draft is a crap shoot... But I seriously think to much is made of it.

But I'm gonna get into the age-old Draft busts arguement here.

[DonkeyKilla]

4 first rounders could go a long way to start building a D in Denver.. however they just might not have an offense anymore.

[Random Dude]

Jason Peters gave up 11.5 sacks and went to the Pro Bowl. Barnes gave up 7.5 in 16 starts. Kwame gave up 7.5 in 11 starts. As for race. I am Japanese. I am pretty sure we are not in the NFL. But we kicked the "White Devil's" ass in baseball (this part is meant to be funny).

:pound:

[hawaiianboy]

2 things not to love about this trade.

1) Cutler and his bottom lip can no longer be a hinderence to the Donkeys with all of his whining

2) The Donks are loaded with 4 first rounders for the next 2 years. And lets be honest, one of those 1st rounders next year is bound to be high!


Two things to love

1. The ripple effect
The team is set up to fall apart pretty quick should they start losing... For all his faults, Cutler led a pretty damn good offense that was arguably a reliable RB away from being complete... When/if things start going bad, the team is not going to forget that it was McDaniels original flirtation with acquiring Cassell that started this whole mess... This is a move that is going to make Brandon Marshall bottom lip hang and I can already envision all kinds of finger pointing happening...

2. Franchise QBs are rare
The Donx had better hope that one of those extra picks hits on a QB... A team that has managed to find exactly one franchise level QB in their history has no business trading a 25 year old QB that showed a bunch of promise and whose best years were clearly ahead of him... The Colts got a pretty good trade haul when they dealt Elway to the Donx but there's no question they would have been better off with the highly skilled QB instead...Odds say that no matter how many first round picks the Donx got, they are more likely to come out with Brian Griese rather than Jay Cutler...


This is great news for the entire AFCWest...

[Madturk]

What's there not to love. We get a pro bowl QB out of our division and have the likelihood of facing Chris Simms or Kyle Orton twice a year:D. You most likely possibly have a disgruntled wr as HB points out who's also facing discipinary actions by the NFL.

[raiderdog]

How bout one Mr. Noriaki Kinoshita?

Wow. How in the hell did you know that. I stand corrected. Japs are in the house!

On June 28, Kinoshita signed with his favorite team, the Atlanta Falcons, and will be competing throughout training camp for a roster spot. "I am very excited to compete at the Falcons' training camp with other great players," says Kinoshita. "It is exciting as a Japanese player to compete with American players, and I want to appeal to the fans in Atlanta. At the same time, I want to show the Japanese people how exciting the great game of football is." He was released by the Falcons at the end of training camp. [9]

On July 23, 2008, Kinoshita was assigned to the Falcons as an International Practice Squad player.[9] Kinoshita is the only Japanese player of the 16 international players to sign onto NFL practice squads.[

[raiderdog]

More breaking news on the Cutler trade:

The Bears haven’t finished adding depth at QB yet. They are reported to be in negotiations with Mike Mills, Peewee league superstar quarterback from Texas.
The expected depth chart going into the season will be: Grossman, Cutler and Mills.

So Chicago will have a QB that looks like a 5 year old, one that acts like a 5 year old and on that is an actual 5 year old.


That is some funny shit.

[raiderdog]

Two things to love

1. The ripple effect
The team is set up to fall apart pretty quick should they start losing... For all his faults, Cutler led a pretty damn good offense that was arguably a reliable RB away from being complete... When/if things start going bad, the team is not going to forget that it was McDaniels original flirtation with acquiring Cassell that started this whole mess... This is a move that is going to make Brandon Marshall bottom lip hang and I can already envision all kinds of finger pointing happening...

2. Franchise QBs are rare
The Donx had better hope that one of those extra picks hits on a QB... A team that has managed to find exactly one franchise level QB in their history has no business trading a 25 year old QB that showed a bunch of promise and whose best years were clearly ahead of him... The Colts got a pretty good trade haul when they dealt Elway to the Donx but there's no question they would have been better off with the highly skilled QB instead...Odds say that no matter how many first round picks the Donx got, they are more likely to come out with Brian Griese rather than Jay Cutler...


This is great news for the entire AFCWest...

1) Who's house is Marshall going to live in to stay out of trouble...Sims or Orton.

2) Not only do you have two equally average QB's to split the locker room. Josh must really believe he is a QB guru to pull this shit or is taking the Lame Kitten "How To Be a NFL Coach" DVD.

Pat Bowlen must be leaving 2am "I want you back Mike" messages on ShanaRats phone.

[Raider Jason]

The donkees basically gave up a pro bowler for picks who have yet to prove themselves. If they draft like they have in the past, they lost the trade already. Perhaps they use that 3rd rounder on a guy like Clarrett! LOL!

[jatfly]

What's there not to love. We get a pro bowl QB out of our division and have the likelihood of facing Chris Simms or Kyle Orton twice a year:D. You most likely possibly have a disgruntled wr as HB points out who's also facing discipinary actions by the NFL.

YEAH That is what I said....REP to you!

[DonkeyKilla]

McDaniels came into i think the #2 offense in the league, just needed to fix the D and he blew it up... now they should suck on both sides of the ball as they will all be learning a new O as well.

[Byron2112]

The Broncos were an Hboy hair away from winning the division last season, and now they're starting over from scratch with no known strength on the team... this is a major league fuck up, and anyone that follows a team in the NFL knows how hard it is to find a QB that you believe in and want to keep around long term.

The amusing thing about all this is how pats fans seem to believe this is a great deal for the donks and McDaniels can manufacture Brady's out of anyones trash QB, or low round picks... they think Denver ripped off Chicago... I think they're having a hard time coming to terms with Matt Cassell's NFL value now that it's been put in perspective with an honestly potential elite NFL QB... they all thought Cassell was worth much more than a 2nd round pick, and they believe Cassell's future is brighter than Cutler's, so they're confused right now. :pound:

[Jack's sore libido]

Was just talking to a friend of mine about this whole Cutler thing.

Won't steal his thunder, but he said:

Funny how little blame rookie coach, Denver in general get on this. If Raiders had run off Cutler, ESPN guys would be calling for vote of league owners to seize power of attorney from Al Davis.

[Byron2112]

Yeah, ESPenis is a joke... I think mass pointed it out yesterday, Schlereth is fucking beside himself with how much Chicago overpaid because they've got so many holes to fill and now with all those high picks gone they cant fill them! :rolleyes:

Hey jackass, they're only missing out on two potential players. You figure they give a 1st for Cutler, then they've only missed out on another mid-lower 1st round prospect and a mid-lower 3rd round prospect, and they got Denver's 5th rounder so the 3rd is basically a wash... Oh, how will Chicago ever recover from that? :rolleyes:

Then I heard Dilfer moaning about how Cutler has all the talent in the world but just doesn't have the maturity to lead a team to a championship... I guess maturity is really the only skill Dilfer ever had to offer a team, and of course he "led" a team to a championship so he's got one over on Cutler... :p

ESPenis is such a joke, I'm sure many here will agree that alotta guys on this very site could offer far more useful NFL commentary than what the dopes on that network have to offer.

[hawaiianboy]

All I know is I've got a couple of Donk fan friends that are so pissed that they have turned their cell phones off...

[Swords]

this is the best damned off-season I've enjoyed in awhile

[Swords]

.... so far


The draft could f it all up

[Sleet]

BSPN: Their bias for the Donks and NE is hallarius. Can't wait for McDaniels to flop. He has no love on that team. He better keep all 10 draft picks becuase nobody on last year's roster is going to play for that guy. I'm just waiting for the Marshall shoe to drop.

I think Denver should draft Sanchez, but if they have to trade both of their 1st round picks to get Sanchez, IMO, means they didn't get enough value out of that trade.

Cutler plus 5th round pick > Ortan, Sanchez and 3rd round pick. Thus, if the Donks trade up, they would basically get a 1st round pick next year for downgrading at the QB position, unless McDanies really thinks Sanchez is the real deal.

[raiderdog]

A little snippet from SI. Here is what Nam thinks of Cutler. I think its good he's gone.

The feeling among many around the league is McDaniels tried to handle the Cutler situation as if he were Belichick. The problem, at this point, is he lacks the résumé. Maybe Cutler was a pain in his backside, a player with a strong arm and stronger will for wanting things his way. But he also was a proven commodity. When I asked Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha on Thursday about Cutler, whom he calls a buddy, he told me: "He was arguably the top QB in the [AFC] West, so I'm not upset to see him leave. He should bring success to the Bears. [He's a] top eight QB."

[fade2black24]

A little snippet from SI. Here is what Nam thinks of Cutler. I think its good he's gone.

The feeling among many around the league is McDaniels tried to handle the Cutler situation as if he were Belichick. The problem, at this point, is he lacks the résumé. Maybe Cutler was a pain in his backside, a player with a strong arm and stronger will for wanting things his way. But he also was a proven commodity. When I asked Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha on Thursday about Cutler, whom he calls a buddy, he told me: "He was arguably the top QB in the [AFC] West, so I'm not upset to see him leave. He should bring success to the Bears. [He's a] top eight QB."

Couldn't agree more about McDaniels having that hard ass Belichick approach. He is young, arogant and I predict he will fail as a coach for the Broncos. The situation will look much like Belichick did in Cleveland his first time around.

Probably the worst thing you can do is go in as a new head coach and piss off the best player on the team and then trade him.

I guess McDaniels really thinks Cassell is better than Cutler. WOW! Can't wait for game 1 v.s. the Chiefs. Cassell is going to see what it feels like outside of New England just like every other player that left New England.

[DonkeyKilla]

That's my take too- McDaniels wants to be Tuna or Belliceck but he hasn't done squat! YOu don't get to be a dick like that until you earn it!

[raiderdog]

That's my take too- McDaniels wants to be Tuna or Belliceck but he hasn't done squat! YOu don't get to be a dick like that until you earn it!

Chris Simms greatest attribute is his name. Here is the stats.

Season Team Passing
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate

2008 Tennessee Titans
1 0 1 2 50.0 7 3.5 0 0 1 10 58.3

2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0

2006 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3 3 58 106 54.7 585 5.5 1 7 4 32 46.3

2005 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
11 10 191 313 61.0 2,035 6.5 10 7 29 205 81.4

2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5 2 42 73 57.5 467 6.4 1 3 10 75 64.1

2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0

TOTAL 292 494 59.1 3,094 6.3 12 17 44 322 71.2

[Sleet]

Cassel worked his ass off for McDaniels. Why? Becuase Cassel was a pleab and Bellicheck had McDaniels' back. McDaniels wanted Cassel, somebody he was used to walking over. He then comes to Denver, has a Napolean complex, tries but fails to get his worker be, and Cutler says stick it.

Given how much Chicago paid for Cutler, don't you think KC stole Cassel, now? I still think the NFL should investigate that deal.

Don't tell me Cutler's on his rookie contract and Cassel's on a one-year franchise deal. Two 1sts picks, a starting NFL QB and a Day 2 upgrade of two rounds v. a 2nd round pick, when Cassel played better last year? Chicago's going to give Cutler a new deal, just like KC's going to give Cassel. They both played with good receivers (Marshall, Royal and Scheffer/Moss, Welker and Stallworth). Cutler threw for more yards. Cassell had a better QB rating.

Bellicheck gave Cassel away, period, end of story. I'd be pissed if I was a fan. But BSPN and writers still make excuses for the liar.

[DonkeyKilla]

Chris Simms greatest attribute is his name. Here is the stats.

Season Team Passing
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate

2008 Tennessee Titans
1 0 1 2 50.0 7 3.5 0 0 1 10 58.3

2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0

2006 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3 3 58 106 54.7 585 5.5 1 7 4 32 46.3

2005 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
11 10 191 313 61.0 2,035 6.5 10 7 29 205 81.4

2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5 2 42 73 57.5 467 6.4 1 3 10 75 64.1

2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0

TOTAL 292 494 59.1 3,094 6.3 12 17 44 322 71.2

05 wasn't bad, but point taken.

[Raidermania12]

"I thought it was too little, too late," said Ken Mendelsberg, 42, whose family has had Broncos season tickets since 1961.

Neither Bowlen's letter nor McDaniels' news conference Friday curbed his concerns about the direction of the franchise.

"I don't understand why he'd go to a press conference wearing a hoodie," Mendelsberg said of McDaniels. "Jay Cutler showed up at his press conference [in Chicago] looking nice. He looked like he had a makeover -- nice suit, nice tie, nice haircut. He even laughed. I'd never seen him laugh. It's like he had a new lease on life."

He doesn't feel the same about his beloved Broncos.

"I'm so bummed. What do I tell my kids? We don't have a quarterback; we don't have a defense," Mendelsberg said. "This did nothing to ease my mind."
:chucle::righton::lmao: I'd prefer to break their hearts on the field, but funny nonetheless. Also Sleet the nfl shouldn't investigate bias steal deals imo(been happen ing for decades). You keep asking the league to get more and more involved and it'll ruin things.

[Raider Bill]

Cassell sucks, Frank Reich mach II

[CrossBones]

Cassell sucks, Frank Reich mach IIWord.

I really do believe he won't be a shadow of the player he was in NE. That's always good news though.

[Raider Bill]

There's a big difference between being an interim guy and being the guy... just ask Koy Detmer or Jay Feeley

[007]

Cassell doesnt worry me either.

Playing in a spread offense with Moss, Welker, Gaffney, Watson and Faulk is a lot easier. Adding 2-3 pro bowl lineman and a lights out defense would ease the transition too.

[DonkeyKilla]

McDaniels with that hoodie- so funny. Guess what, you are not Bellicheck! Mr. B earned the right to wear the hoodie... You got to win something before you get to dress however you want.

[Sleet]

Thigpen performed like an average NFL QB in a spreed offense last year, with the same talent Cassel's going to have next year. Thigpen was a late Day 2 rookie. Cassel was groomed. If he's better than Thigpen, and KC's team improves, there's no reason why Cassel won't perform well next year. And Cassel is better than Thigpen.