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NIPS

03-30-2009, 07:08 PM

CrossBones

03-30-2009, 07:23 PM

I'm not listening to an impostor.

NIPS always has a great avatar.

WTF are you and what have you done with Ugly Nipples?

Sleet

03-30-2009, 07:26 PM

NIPS, you know I'm with you (but, yes, bring back the avatar).

When NE, Belicheck and Brady were winning SuperBowls, was it with Moss and Welker, or with defense and a clutch kicker? Do you guys even remember Brady's WRs when we got "tucked"?

Belicheck has built one of the best DL in the AFC. NYG beat him two years ago with the best DL in football, when Belicheck had the best QB and WR in football.

Al needs to wake up, and go DL: Draft Raji #7 (and not let Denver get him). He should also double up and draft one of the five top DE with size (Jackson, Ayers, Gilbert, Johnson, or Kruger) either at #40 or by trading up.

Al should then do what it takes to get a good WR (e.g., Robiskie, Britt, Barnes, Collins) by trading back into the 2nd round with an '10 pick. Finally, Al drafts a safety in round 4 and we are set for Monday Night against SD.

hawaiianboy

03-30-2009, 08:49 PM

Not to be nitpicky, this doesn't exactly score points for your case...

RAIDERS
PTS: 24.2 pg (24th)
TOTAL YARDS: 360.9 (27th)
PASSING YARDS: 210.2 (10TH)
RUSHING YARDS: 159.7 (31ST)

BEARS
PTS: 21.9 (16TH)
TOTAL YARDS: 334.7 (21ST)
PASSING YARDS: 241.2 (30TH)
RUSHING YARDS: 93.5 (5TH)

Now I really am not taking a side in this WR vs DL stuff, and you know me, I'm a defensive guy, but IMO our inability to sustain drives and score gawddamn TD's in the red zone played as much into our record these past few years as our inability to stop the run and get off the field on third down did, probably more... Clearly one feeds the other as we saw time after time our defense play well and then wear down late in the games because our offense couldn't put up sustained drives...

The best argument I can think of for drafting offense is our ability to score points will directly reflect on Cable's job security... I think everyone understands we need stability at the head coaching spot... If we don't get Russell squared away and the offense scoring points, we'll be here next year arguing whether we should hire Denny Green or Jim Harbaugh...

Personally, I'd really like to put an offensive line out there that we can count on as well as being capable of controlling the game... There will be nothing that we can do to help the defense in one offseason that would be more effective than putting an offense out there that can eat clock...I would also prefer to get Braylon Edwards in here as opposed to adding another rookie WR... A young guy that has already seen NFL coverages is preferable to adding yet another developmental prospect in RD 2 or 3...

There is no right way or wrong way in doing this, as you could make the opposite argument that Nips made by pointing out that Arizona went 9-7 and got to the SB on the strength of their offense.... I just feel that getting JaMarcus going should be priority #1... That doesn't mean we don't take Raji or Orakpo at 7, it just means I don't think signing Eric Pears and signing Barnes to a one year deal means our offensive problems are taken care of... It certainly doesn't allow for us to spray paint the draft board with defensive picks this April...

Rupert

03-30-2009, 09:48 PM

Anyone care to ask me how the fuckin Chicago Bears finished 9-7 with Kyle fuckin Orton- and dogshit for WR and a very bad OL?

This is a team you cant argue won with a defense

So, forget the WR at #7 ladies

I'm trying to tell ya, but ya aint listening

Theres a handful of us here that are really fuckin tired and had a belly full of shit for defense

So- when ya laying around some time with both hands locked at the fingers behind yer head....

Think of the 2008 Chicago Bears

It's okay to be wrong sometimes... Just move outta the rest of our ways....

So let me see if I understand you correctly.

With this one draft we're going to turn our defense into shut-down defense? Is that what you're saying?

:pound::pound::nono::nono:

Ohhhhh my. I needed a good laugh.

I agree with what you want to do. I disagree that it can happen with this one draft.

I do think we can solidify our WR corps with this one draft, which will go a loooooooooooooong way to completing our offense. That I do believe.

To me the question is simple: compete our offense for years to come or just start straightening out the defense? No comparison. That's why I lean toward the WR.

But I've said it elsewhere. I'm good with whichever way the team goes (unless it's CB, QB, RB, FB, S, OG, K, P, LB, TE) at #7.

NIPS

03-31-2009, 04:37 AM

With this one draft we're going to turn our defense into shut-down defense? Is that what you're saying?

:pound::pound::nono::nono:

Ohhhhh my. I needed a good laugh.

.

Whats so fuckin funny?

The Bucs damn near buildt a SB team in the 95 & 96 draft going defense, and some may argue one of the best defenses of all time

poptart

03-31-2009, 04:47 AM

I would also prefer to get Braylon Edwards in here as opposed to adding another rookie WR... A young guy that has already seen NFL coverages is preferable to adding yet another developmental prospect in RD 2 or 3...

Roger that.

Hey, Crabtree may end up being a GREAT one, nobody knows for sure.
But I think RIGHT NOW, a proven vet receiver who's been around the block a few times would be a BIG boost to Russell.

RaiderNationUK

03-31-2009, 05:24 AM

Roger that.

Hey, Crabtree may end up being a GREAT one, nobody knows for sure.
But I think RIGHT NOW, a proven vet receiver who's been around the block a few times would be a BIG boost to Russell.

Russell is a big arm rocket type so we need sure hands (ala the Schilens + Jugs machine + soaking wet ball report)

Russell's Arm + Edwards' Hands = 700yds per season IF you are lucky!

If a deal does get done, I hope to god that I'm wrong and I'll be the first to eat humble pie if Edwards turns out to be the missing link! Just can't see any good coming out of this move though.

Just MHO though.

Rupert

03-31-2009, 06:24 AM

Whats so fuckin funny?

The Bucs damn near buildt a SB team in the 95 & 96 draft going defense, and some may argue one of the best defenses of all time

Nice revisionist history there NIPS.

Remember the draft of '94?

They built the offense.

You add to the laughter.

:pound::pound::pound::pound:

NIPS

03-31-2009, 06:32 AM

Nice revisionist history there NIPS.

Remember the draft of '94?

They built the offense.

You add to the laughter.

:pound::pound::pound::pound:

The Bucs 94 draft?

Not one player in that draft was even on that SB team

However if you look at the Bucs draft the following 3 years.. guys like Sapp, Brooks, Barber etc... all there and where the rock of that great defense

A defense does a whole lot more than just 3 and out

A great defense is the 12th man on offense

Dig?

Madturk

03-31-2009, 07:32 AM

Now I really am not taking a side in this WR vs DL stuff, and you know me, I'm a defensive guy, but IMO our inability to sustain drives and score gawddamn TD's in the red zone played as much into our record these past few years as our inability to stop the run and get off the field on third down did, probably more... Clearly one feeds the other as we saw time after time our defense play well and then wear down late in the games because our offense couldn't put up sustained drives...

The best argument I can think of for drafting offense is our ability to score points will directly reflect on Cable's job security... I think everyone understands we need stability at the head coaching spot... If we don't get Russell squared away and the offense scoring points, we'll be here next year arguing whether we should hire Denny Green or Jim Harbaugh...

Personally, I'd really like to put an offensive line out there that we can count on as well as being capable of controlling the game... There will be nothing that we can do to help the defense in one offseason that would be more effective than putting an offense out there that can eat clock...I would also prefer to get Braylon Edwards in here as opposed to adding another rookie WR... A young guy that has already seen NFL coverages is preferable to adding yet another developmental prospect in RD 2 or 3...

There is no right way or wrong way in doing this, as you could make the opposite argument that Nips made by pointing out that Arizona went 9-7 and got to the SB on the strength of their offense.... I just feel that getting JaMarcus going should be priority #1... That doesn't mean we don't take Raji or Orakpo at 7, it just means I don't think signing Eric Pears and signing Barnes to a one year deal means our offensive problems are taken care of... It certainly doesn't allow for us to spray paint the draft board with defensive picks this April...

While you bring up some valid points, I still have to fault some of Ryan's schemes and conservativeness late in games that cost us a lot of victories IMO. How many times, (and you've brought it up on numerous occasions) are we unable to make a crucial 3rd down stop that ultimately costs us the game?
True the conservative offense we've run the past few years doesn't lend well to a rested defense late in the game, but the better defensive units always seem to come up with the big stops late in the game. I've always been a proponent of good running attack+solid qb play+ defense equates to championships.

FWIW, I don't think we're done drafting OL. I just don't think it will be early on.

Sleet

03-31-2009, 08:08 AM

What this thread points out is that we have more needs than draft picks.

On offense, we need a #1 WR, an OT of the future, and a better #2 TE. On defense, we need a true 2-gap DT, 280 lb starting DE, starting SS and SAM, and a CB of the future.

To break the impasse, signing Tank Johnson, a stop-gap measure at the 2-gap DT would appease me, and allow Al and Cable to focus elsewhere. Tank didn't have great production as a NT in a 3-4, but why no interest as a 2-gap in a 4-3? He'd still be a Top 5 DT in this year's draft. And I don't see getting veteran help at any other position at this point, save possibly SS, SAM and back-up TE.

Madturk

03-31-2009, 08:10 AM

I can find absolutely no reason not to sign Tank Johnson

chudezee

03-31-2009, 08:18 AM

I'm with ya nips...You don't a peyton manning to get to the bowl, It's been proven time and again...strong Defense and running game win championships....We have a hell of a running game between the 20's, we just need to work on he tough yards and maul to get the 3 and 4 yard runs..that's why we were so bad in the red zone...zone schemes aren't to great when all ya need is 3 yards to get in. Now that they see they have something with bush I believe that will change this year. A good TE helps as well and we have that he is gonna catch bout 90 balls this year.

Raider Jason

03-31-2009, 08:44 AM

There seems to be some strong opinions regarding who to draft with our 1st pick. Some are calling for an offensive player, others yell DEFENSE! This controversy begged me to look into last years draft class to see what worked: offense or defense. I quickly shortened my study by only seeking NFL teams with new head coaches (To better compare with Cable this year), and I looked at who they drafted, and what their record was at the end of the season. This is what I came up with:

Mike Smith, Atlanta Falcons: Matt Ryan, QB, Offense, 11-5 Record, Made the playoffs.

Jim Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens: Joe Flacco, QB, Offense, 11-5 Record, Made the playofs.

Tony Sparano, Miami Dolphins: Jake Long, OT, Offense, 11-5 Record, Made the playoffs.

Jim Zorn, Washington Redskins: Devin Thomas (RD 2), WR, Offense, 8-8 Record, Did not make the playoffs.

Some quick points:

1. All of the 4 new head coaches in '08 drafted an offensive player with their first pick.
2. All of the new head coaches finishid with a .500 record or better.
3. 3 of the 4 new head coaches made the playoffs.

Now this is not to say that to be sucsessful, a new head coach must go offense, I just thought I would look into 2008, and it just so happened to be favorable to the offensive draft picks.

If you look back another year, to 2007, there were 7 new head coaches and among them, you will see a few exceptions. They include:

Wade Phillips, Dallas Cowboys: Anthony Spencer, OLB, Defense, 13-3, Made the playoffs.

Cam Cameron, Miami Dolphins: Ted Ginn Jr., WR, Offense, 1-15, Did not make the playoffs.

Lane Kiffen, Oakland Raiders: JaMarcus Russell, QB, Offense, 4-12, Did not make the playoffs.

The 2007 Draft class obviously flaws any considerations that offense must be the pick, however the 2008 draft class is screaming "OFFENSE IS THE WAY TO GO"! So with that said, one must presume that there is no decisive science an organization must follow when a new head coach begins. When choosing between offense and defense with his first pick of his first draft, he must select a player who can and will contribute day one. Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Jake long all did this, and there teams were in the playoffs. Devin Thomas, Td Ginn Jr. and JaMarcuss Russell did not start day one, and they were the exceptions to the rule.

The bottom line is that the Raiders must draft a guy who can come in day 1, and play at a high level throughout the season. I would be oaky with Crabtree, however my 2 cents begs for somebody who can......STOP THE DAMN RUN!

Random Dude

03-31-2009, 08:50 AM

I would like to finally see a Raider D that ranks top 5 again. Not the smoke and mirrors crap we saw a couple years ago. A real defense that knocks the opposing O on their ass.

When Al had his press conference a few months back. He sorta alluded to getting back to having that type of team. I don't know if that means he will draft D or O, but I do think it means we will pass on a WR in Rd 1.

hawaiianboy

03-31-2009, 09:26 AM

While you bring up some valid points, I still have to fault some of Ryan's schemes and conservativeness late in games that cost us a lot of victories IMO. How many times, (and you've brought it up on numerous occasions) are we unable to make a crucial 3rd down stop that ultimately costs us the game?

We had these exact same complaints under Willie Shaw... and Bresnahan... and we'll have these same complaints in all likelihood under this Marshall Richard guy... Do the math and find the common denominator... I mean do people really believe a Ryan isn't aggressive by nature?.... That Rex wouldn't have been just as neutered if we had been able to hire him?... There is nothing more guaranteed with the S & B than the Raiders DC ending up the most unpopular guy in town...

Until a change in basic philosophy is incorporated, trying to get up early, often and big like we did in the Gannon years is what's going to bring the dubya's... It is what it is, 50 years into this thing, we're just not going to morph into a team with a play defense, pound the ball, grind out the clock frame of mind... The big guy in charge is going to want the ball in the air on offense and a low risk, match up our guys on their guys one on one style of defense... I've come to realize that to resist that basic concept is pretty futile...

Rupert

03-31-2009, 10:43 AM

The Bucs 94 draft?

Not one player in that draft was even on that SB team

However if you look at the Bucs draft the following 3 years.. guys like Sapp, Brooks, Barber etc... all there and where the rock of that great defense

A defense does a whole lot more than just 3 and out

A great defense is the 12th man on offense

Dig?

NIPS, you're just arguing, not reading.

Tampa went about building their offense BEFORE they went about building their defense.

But while we're at it, as Hawaiianboy pointed out so well, a good offense keeps your defense off the field too. Sounds like they help each other out a LOT.

You have to have both or you'll fail. Cuz it doesn't matter how often your D forces a 3 and out if all your offense can muster is a 3 and out.

Dig?

:shakehead::shakehead::shakehead::shakehead:

NIPS

03-31-2009, 01:10 PM

massraider

03-31-2009, 01:34 PM

Heck with the 9-7 Bears, can we be like the Cardinals, and go to the Super Bowl?

The Cards did it with WRs, that must be the only way to do it!

Wait, the Giants did it with D-line, we need to get 15 DEs!!

oh, you know what, the Rams did it with WRs, we need to draft like 7 of them!!!!

Anyone remember the Ravens WRs? me neither, all we need to do is build one of the best defenses ever, then get a crappy QB. Yahtzee!!!

Ho, the Steelers won it all last year with a crappy offensive line, O-line is obviously overrated.

Rupert

03-31-2009, 04:56 PM

Oh hell, there aint notin wrong with that offense.. Ya just gotta get Russells head outta his ass and find a OC that doesnt have his playbook on a napkin

Yeah there is.

We only have one WR that's worth a damn, and he just proved he can play in this league. He has to prove he can do that on a regular basis (I believe he can BTW). After that we've got a guy who's still inconsistent (Higgins) and a buncha guys who haven't been healthy (mentally and/or physically). We've got a very good TE and a buncha solid runners.

I don't think JR's head's in his ass. I think he needs more reps at game speed, he's starting to get the feel of the NFL game.

And as for the playbook. The better JR's feel gets, the more of the playbook will be opened up to him.

But no matter what, without a reliable 2nd WR:

We're sure to see the emergence of Chaz slowed because of the attention he'll get.
Miller will get too much attention as well.
We'll see teams gear up to stop our running game or just let us grind it out until the red zone, where they'll stop us cold because we lack a passing threat. (Check the stats on our rushing TD's last year - we stunk.)

Also, as HB pointed out, AL doesn't like shut-down defense, he plays keep it in front defense to slow the opponent's scoring so his quick-strike offense can run the score up on you. Is he likely to change this approach? Who knows? He went away from his preferred DT approach for Ryan. He turned to the WCO offense for Shanahan/White/Gruden/Callahan. Anything is possible.

Regardless, I think we're one reliable WR short of being complete on offense. I think Crabtree fits the bill. I think it's a solid acquisition. But if the team goes balls out for defense, I'm fine with it.

I think we have more holes on defense than this draft can plug well enough to make us average. But if we plug a couple while completing the offense, we can use next year's draft to finish the defense and we're set for a playoff run.

Again, we can do it the other way and get our completing WR next year, but we've already got JR out there and he should have a complete offense to run with so when we complete the D next season, we're not waiting for the O to come together mid-season.

NIPS

03-31-2009, 05:24 PM

Yeah there is.

We only have one WR that's worth a damn, and he just proved he can play in this league. He has to prove he can do that on a regular basis (I believe he can BTW). After that we've got a guy who's still inconsistent (Higgins) and a buncha guys who haven't been healthy (mentally and/or physically). We've got a very good TE and a buncha solid runners.

I don't think JR's head's in his ass. I think he needs more reps at game speed, he's starting to get the feel of the NFL game.

And as for the playbook. The better JR's feel gets, the more of the playbook will be opened up to him.

But no matter what, without a reliable 2nd WR:

We're sure to see the emergence of Chaz slowed because of the attention he'll get.
Miller will get too much attention as well.
We'll see teams gear up to stop our running game or just let us grind it out until the red zone, where they'll stop us cold because we lack a passing threat. (Check the stats on our rushing TD's last year - we stunk.)

Also, as HB pointed out, AL doesn't like shut-down defense, he plays keep it in front defense to slow the opponent's scoring so his quick-strike offense can run the score up on you. Is he likely to change this approach? Who knows? He went away from his preferred DT approach for Ryan. He turned to the WCO offense for Shanahan/White/Gruden/Callahan. Anything is possible.

Regardless, I think we're one reliable WR short of being complete on offense. I think Crabtree fits the bill. I think it's a solid acquisition. But if the team goes balls out for defense, I'm fine with it.

I think we have more holes on defense than this draft can plug well enough to make us average. But if we plug a couple while completing the offense, we can use next year's draft to finish the defense and we're set for a playoff run.

Again, we can do it the other way and get our completing WR next year, but we've already got JR out there and he should have a complete offense to run with so when we complete the D next season, we're not waiting for the O to come together mid-season.

I've said it hundred times.. theres a solid WR that'll be there in the early 3rd

It's that type of Al's thinking that has caused this team to produce red ass every fuckin year

He's had his way.. and he's failed

Time for a fuckin change 'round here

massraider

03-31-2009, 05:28 PM

I've said it hundred times.. theres a solid WR that'll be there in the early 3rd

Oh, for Chrissake.

Well, what if we don't get Dillard? Do you really think passing on Crabtree cause we may or may not get Dillard is any way to run a team?

We KNOW we are in the running for Crabs. We have NO IDEA if we are in the running for Dillard.

NIPS

03-31-2009, 05:52 PM

Oh, for Chrissake.

Well, what if we don't get Dillard? Do you really think passing on Crabtree cause we may or may not get Dillard is any way to run a team?

We KNOW we are in the running for Crabs. We have NO IDEA if we are in the running for Dillard.

Apparently, you've never sat at a poker table

Losers think like that

Winners find ways to make things happen

Rupert

03-31-2009, 06:43 PM

I've said it hundred times.. theres a solid WR that'll be there in the early 3rd

It's that type of Al's thinking that has caused this team to produce red ass every fuckin year

He's had his way.. and he's failed

Time for a fuckin change 'round here
If 5 trips to the Super Bowl and winning it 3 times is failure, sign my ass up.

A solid WR ain't gonna do it to complete the offense. Sorry, no sell. You either bust ass on defense this season and draft a top talent WR next season or vice versa. Those are the best approaches I see.

I will NOT approve you're half-assed approach to completing the offense. That's far worse than Al selling out and fucking up. Get off the fence brother, it's creasing your balls something fierce. :pound:

Rupert

03-31-2009, 06:49 PM

Apparently, you've never sat at a poker table

Losers think like that

Winners find ways to make things happen

No NIPS. You are seriously confused. You're talking out both sides of your ass.

Drafting an impact offensive player and taking defense later where there is value is a solid approach. Waiting for later in the draft to grab a WR when the offense needs a playmaker is absolutely stupid. That's like waiting for the river to fill an inside straight when the community cards show a pair that your opponent has been betting up.

RaiderRobert

03-31-2009, 07:05 PM

Madturk

03-31-2009, 07:07 PM

NIPS, you're just arguing, not reading.

Tampa went about building their offense BEFORE they went about building their defense.

But while we're at it, as Hawaiianboy pointed out so well, a good offense keeps your defense off the field too. Sounds like they help each other out a LOT.

You have to have both or you'll fail. Cuz it doesn't matter how often your D forces a 3 and out if all your offense can muster is a 3 and out.

Dig?

:shakehead::shakehead::shakehead::shakehead:

In Nipsy's defense, the Bucs under the Dungy regime were hardly the offensive juggernaut. Trust me, I've seen enough of their games to know. The nucleus of that team was built by Rich McKay and Dungy and consisted of the likes of some perennial HOF'rs, E.g. D Brooks, Sapp, Lynch etc.

The year they went to the SB, Derrick Brooks was leading the team in scoring up until week 5 or 6 IIRC. The OL which was one of the weakest links on that squad, caught fire towards the end of the season, Brad Johnson got hot, and the rest is history.

NIPS

03-31-2009, 08:12 PM

If 5 trips to the Super Bowl and winning it 3 times is failure, sign my ass up.

A solid WR ain't gonna do it to complete the offense. Sorry, no sell. You either bust ass on defense this season and draft a top talent WR next season or vice versa. Those are the best approaches I see.

Lets not toss the 3 SB card on the table... just dumb, unless of course you're arguing with the rest of the AFC West

I will NOT approve you're half-assed approach to completing the offense. That's far worse than Al selling out and fucking up. Get off the fence brother, it's creasing your balls something fierce. :pound:

Half ass???

Wes Welker... Never drafted
Terrell Owens - 3rd round
Steve Smith - 3rd rd
Marques Colston - 6th rd
Hines Ward - 3rd rd
Issac Bruce - 2nd rd
Eddie Royal - 2nd rd
Brandon Marshall 4th rd
Fred Biletnikoff - 2nd rd
Houshmandzadeh 7th fuckin rd!!!

It goes on and on

Lets not play stupid here.. I'm fuckin tired

Sleet

03-31-2009, 09:02 PM

MassRaider: Very funny :chucle:

Rupert

04-01-2009, 08:21 AM

In Nipsy's defense, the Bucs under the Dungy regime were hardly the offensive juggernaut. Trust me, I've seen enough of their games to know. The nucleus of that team was built by Rich McKay and Dungy and consisted of the likes of some perennial HOF'rs, E.g. D Brooks, Sapp, Lynch etc.

The year they went to the SB, Derrick Brooks was leading the team in scoring up until week 5 or 6 IIRC. The OL which was one of the weakest links on that squad, caught fire towards the end of the season, Brad Johnson got hot, and the rest is history.
I never said they were an offensive juggernaut. I just said they drafted to build their offense BEFORE they drafted to build their defense, which is what I'm advocating.

Tampa made their mark as a defense-first squad. Then Gruden stepped in and tried to tip the scales toward offense. Now they're just a clusterfuck with no identity.

We are still stuck in the clusterfuck following Gruden's departure. I'll admit I NEVER liked his approach to building and maintaining the squad, NEVER. But it worked and I was willing to accept it while it worked.

Since he left we have not had an identity. Turner, Shell, and Kiffin seemed confused (which everyone blames on Al) and now Cable seems like he has a plan. Hopefully this is another upturn in the greatness of the Raiders.

Rupert

04-01-2009, 08:24 AM

NIPS, the 3 SB card belongs on the table. It ain't dumb, it's a fact. Al has been brilliant and lucky in his career, and now he's looking stupid and unlucky. The fact remains he's gotten his organization to the Bowl 5 times and they've won 3. You and I have done nothing comparable. So don't think so highly of your opinions. I certainly don't of mine.

And "half-assed" is right on the money. Here's how I see your approach - draft the best D players early and then see if we can get lucky with a WR later in the draft. That's half-assed.

You saw what I suggested. I don't think we can or should try to solve a glaring deficiency at WR with a get lucky roll of the dice. Nor do I think we should do it on D.

NIPS

04-01-2009, 11:57 AM

Rupert

04-01-2009, 02:04 PM

So draft a WR and try an "get lucky" with defense later

It works both ways

Righr now.. This team needs to address its weakest part of the team

And anybody that knows anything will tell you its the defensive side of the ball

Nope. I say, draft the impact WR to complete the offense and get depth on defense this year. Draft impact on defense next year.

You say the defensive side is worse, but that don't make it so. The STATS say it's offense, but it's close enough to not matter.

Our weakest aspect last season was punching it in once we got to the red zone. That's the fact NIPS. Fixing the defense won't change that. Adding a clutch WR to pair with Schilens and complement Miller and our running game, WILL make us harder to stop in the red zone.

Those are the facts in this case, and they are indisputable.

NIPS

04-01-2009, 03:16 PM

Nope. I say, draft the impact WR to complete the offense and get depth on defense this year. Draft impact on defense next year.

You say the defensive side is worse, but that don't make it so. The STATS say it's offense, but it's close enough to not matter.

Our weakest aspect last season was punching it in once we got to the red zone. That's the fact NIPS. Fixing the defense won't change that. Adding a clutch WR to pair with Schilens and complement Miller and our running game, WILL make us harder to stop in the red zone.

Those are the facts in this case, and they are indisputable.

The red zone eh?

Wouldnt a couple of our 6'2 WR's be more effective or are you trying to tell me that Crabtree is this awesome redzone WR... ??

Is that what your saying?