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jatfly
03-17-2009, 03:53 AM
http://www.realfootball365.com/articles/raiders/13750

You know what Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis secretly wants right now? One of those public opinion polls taken to determine the popularity of our sitting leaders. For after the signing of Khalif Barnes, Davis & Co. are surely earning a high approval rating from the citizens of Raider Nation, an unprecedented bounce in popularity that rebounds the Great Leader to heights he hasn’t hit since the beginning of this decade.

In fact, thanks to the recent bizarre legal maneuvering by Lane Kiffin, the grizzled owner and the young hotshot have switched their public roles as Dick Cheney and Barack Obama, with agent-for-change Davis actually coming off better in the public perception than the whiny Kiffin has since hired by University of Tennessee.

Now, about that No. 7 overall draft pick. Specifically, do you really want to go Michael Crabtree, Raiders?

This theory – and it’s one taken for granted all over the mock draft-laden blogosphere – depends firstly on the Detroit Lions taking Matt Stafford at No. 1; the St. Louis, Kansas City, Seattle, Cleveland and Cincinnati front offices are then depended on to draft rationally, taking hardcore line players over the glitz and glamour of skill types.

The biggest threat to the Raiders’ obtaining Crabtree would appear to be Cincinnati, thanks to the combination of T.J. Houshmandzadeh’s departure and a Bengals front office known for serious silliness on Draft Day ever since Akili Smith came to town in 1999. (OK, so they got Carson Palmer right, but come on, Johnathan Joseph?) This scenario is spawning subsequent mock drafts in which all-purpose stud Jeremy Maclin lands in Oakland at that No. 7 spot.

In fact, the more you read on Maclin, the more attractive he comes off. Sure, he only played for the University of Missouri Tigers for two seasons, but his record-breaking skill set could make Maclin absolutely lethal in the sort of high-flying, fast-moving offense the Raiders look to be building. (Maclin can return punts, kickoffs, catch passes and run for 375 yards? Imagine him in a Raiders "Wildcat" formation.)

But whether sold on Crabtree or Maclin, a bit of sobriety if you will for a draft that has gobs of seemingly quality offensive and defensive linemen: We’re talking about wide receivers here! Ask any Lions fan about the hit-or-miss ratio of a first-round WR. Or check the recent record; it’s actually right around 50/50.

Since 2005, the hits among first-round wide receivers would include Dwayne Bowe, Roddy White, Braylon Edwards, Anthony Gonzalez, Santonio Holmes and Calvin Johnson. In the class of underwhelming at best go Mark Clayton, Buster Davis, Robert Meachem, the immortal Mike Williams and Troy Williamson. You may decide for yourself in which category to slot token head case Matt Jones. Of note as well is that zero WRs were selected in the first round in the 2008 draft.

Thus, the question on Crabtree in particular becomes: Do Davis et al really want to flip a coin on success with the No. 7 overall?

Do you feel lucky? Do you?





"Makes ya think about taken that WR in round one?

Sleet
03-17-2009, 05:30 AM
The Mocks have at least five WRs going in the 1st round this year. But I believe Al when he says he's happy with his young WRs (Higgins, Schilens, Shields, Holland). So, I'm holding out hope that Al goes defense with the #7 pick (or trade down, something I doubt very much he'll do).

Do we need another WR? Of course we do. But not as much as we need help stopping the run on defense (2-gap DT, Big-DE, SAM, SS), and not as much as JR needs a quality Center protecting him and directing traffic.

The Raiders have a long history of great Centers. I think it is something Al values. So, my guess is Al has targeted a Center in the draft, either with the 2nd round pick, or by either down or up into the 1st round for Mack. I don't think the plan is to start Preston, although Al may sign him to replace Wade in the short term and compete with Morris as a back-up C and RG going forward. Preston hasn't signed becuase he's looking for a better opportunity to start.

I also think the Raiders are set at OT, unless Monroe were to drop in Al's lap or Pace is available cheap. I think LT is Henderson's job to lose, which would move Barnes to RT. I also think Pears has a better chance to start at RT than Henderson, if Henderson doesn't win the LT spot. Barnes is going to start at one of the OT positions.

So, absent a trade down for more picks, Al's looking at rounds 1, 3 and 4 to find immediate help on D and at WR. Rounds 6 and 7 will be reserved for athletes Al thinks can be coached up.

DonkeyKilla
03-17-2009, 05:42 AM
should be noted that WRs don't bust any more than any other position. ask Detroit about WR busts? sure they had some.. they also have CJ and had Roy Williams. those guys ain't busts.
Raji is the pick for me if he's there. As long as we get a quality wideout somewhere's... it doesn't need to be pick 7.

jatfly
03-17-2009, 05:50 AM
Good takes Sleet and DK, I am Loving Raji right now, but if we get a O-line guy I would be equally as happy.
I also think we need the Help on the D-line, and C spot right now.
Wonder if we can just sign one more FA WR that is out there and be done with that position for a while.

Armyr8rfan
03-17-2009, 07:44 AM
I'm loving Raji too, but If Al gets to choose between Raji and Crabtree, I think he'll go Crabtree everytime. Scoring would force teams to pass, and play to our defensive strength...... There is a sleeper wr or two that can be had in round three or four, i'll tell you who in my offseason WR thread.

BigTron
03-17-2009, 08:38 AM
Mark Clayton is a solid receiver for the Ravens? Unless im missing something they need to take him off the list.

Jack's sore libido
03-17-2009, 11:04 AM
Mark Clayton is a solid receiver for the Ravens? Unless im missing something they need to take him off the list.

Read closer ... he's on the "underwhelming at best" list.

BigTron
03-17-2009, 11:23 AM
Read closer ... he's on the "underwhelming at best" list.

Yeah thats my point. He is impressive when I watch the Ravens. Not underwhelming? Id like to see him in a S&B uniform. He was late 1st rounder too.

Jack's sore libido
03-17-2009, 12:12 PM
My bad. I was thrown off by your use of a question mark.

DonkeyKilla
03-17-2009, 12:26 PM
I wonder if Donte Stallworth's troubles will push Cleveland to nab Crab. They no longer have Winslow and already have a good LT plus Sean Rogers so they don't need a DT. They could easily go LB/DE though.

BigTron
03-17-2009, 12:40 PM
My bad. I was thrown off by your use of a question mark.

Sorry. :bong:

In the case of the Browns they also cut Joe J(whatever.) So they do need a WR with this Stallworth crap. But with Braylon and Cribbs they have some options and a 2nd round pick with some good options too. I would suspect that Orakpo is #1 on their board. That guy looks the part too. He would be perfect in that 3-4. The only problem is Mangini selected V.Gohlston who reminds you of Orakpo.

Sleet
03-17-2009, 12:45 PM
Orakpo is Gohlston with a funny gimp. Did you sse him do cones and other drills at the Combine? He can drag his flat feet fast. But he has lazy feet or something. He just ran funny to me. I couldn't figure out what it was and how he was so fast.

The real problem with Orakpo is that he doesn't show up consistently on tape, just like Gohlston. He's not a run stuffer, and he didn't always overpower or out quick his college competition. Thus, if he's unable to play the run well in the NFL, he's a one-deminsional player, i.e., liability. He'll be Travian Smith all over again.

Just say RAJI, RAJI, RAJI.

hawaiianboy
03-17-2009, 01:21 PM
I wonder if Donte Stallworth's troubles will push Cleveland to nab Crab.

This wouldn't surprise me... Braylon is going into his contract year and judging by some of the comments made this past year, he's going to be a real difficult re-sign for them...


I also think the Raiders are set at OT, unless Monroe were to drop in Al's lap or Pace is available cheap. I think LT is Henderson's job to lose, which would move Barnes to RT. I also think Pears has a better chance to start at RT than Henderson, if Henderson doesn't win the LT spot. Barnes is going to start at one of the OT positions.

I would have agreed with this if we had thought enough of Barnes to sign him long term... As it stands, even if he has a great year, we could be looking at having to fill an OT spot again next offseason since a 27 year old OT coming off a great year is going to be a very popular free agent...


Just say RAJI, RAJI, RAJI.

You know if you keep chanting that, you're going to have the Joint Terrorism Task Force tapping your phones and combing through your financials... If you're like most of these other perverted guys here not named me, you're going to have some pretty embarrassing websites in your charges that you'd prefer kept to yourself...

Sleet
03-17-2009, 01:44 PM
Very funny.

Well, if Al were to draft Monroe or A. Smith, I certainly wouldn't complain. We would be very deap at OT. Maybe somebody would even offer up a draft pick for Barnes given his small contract. :D

NIPS
03-17-2009, 06:28 PM
There aint a WR worth the #7 overall pick

And I am always right

Diceq
03-17-2009, 07:04 PM
Hard to argue with those NIPS....Just to Add...Torry Holt would solve a lot of problems for us

NIPS
03-17-2009, 07:13 PM
Hard to argue with those NIPS....Just to Add...Torry Holt would solve a lot of problems for us

Welcome comrade

I agree, would have no problem with Holt

You get OL up front and a great running game which we have and things are halfway there

Someone like Jarrett Dillard makes sense

Imma gonna give it to you guys straight

The NFL is very simple

Stop the run and run the ball effectively and you'll win 50% of your games

It's not a very difficult game to play

I am NIPS

And I am always right

DarthRaidor
03-17-2009, 07:34 PM
Welcome comrade

I agree, would have no problem with Holt

You get OL up front and a great running game which we have and things are halfway there

Someone like Jarrett Dillard makes sense

Imma gonna give it to you guys straight

The NFL is very simple

Stop the run and run the ball effectively and you'll win 50% of your games

It's not a very difficult game to play

I am NIPS

And I am always right

Agreed. By the way, I'm trying to guess who the boobies belong too.

NIPS
03-17-2009, 07:43 PM
Agreed. By the way, I'm trying to guess who the boobies belong too.

Bones

Madturk
03-17-2009, 07:53 PM
Hard to argue with those NIPS....Just to Add...Torry Holt would solve a lot of problems for us


That's what I've been preaching. Dudes only 32, which isn't ancient by any means. Hell Ocho and Houshyourmama aren't that far behind. While I understand the logic to go with the youth movement, this guy would immediately improve the receiving corps and bring some real veteran stability to the organization.

Like Nips has alluded to in the past, KC had basically dogshit for receivers when they led the league in offense a few years back. Let's not forget we have a pretty decent pass catching TE in Zach Miller who'd be easily good for 70-80 catches if we can get him off the LOS. Get DMac to play the Reggie Bush/Marshall Faulk role and I think we're onto something.

Postmaster
03-17-2009, 10:01 PM
Let's not forget we have a pretty decent pass catching TE in Zach Miller who'd be easily good for 70-80 catches if we can get him off the LOS. Get DMac to play the Reggie Bush/Marshall Faulk role and I think we're onto something.

Miler is the truth. That is all.