View Full Version : Khalif Barnes back in play...
hawaiianboy
03-14-2009, 02:14 PM
From Raiderbeat.com, who have been accurate so far this offseason:
KHALIF BARNES TALKS BACK ON AND HEATING UP
Paul Wexler
RaiderBeat.com Staff Writer
The Oakland Raiders and free agent left tackle Khalif Barnes are back at the table and it looks like this time both sides could come to an agreement.
More soon.
WTF is Raiderbeat?
LOL.
Is that Willis' buddy?
Tenebrous
03-14-2009, 02:32 PM
Yeah, it makes sense too... so I see this happening.
Limee
03-14-2009, 02:38 PM
I can't keep up with all the newbies so treat this as a welcome to one and all.
Barnes agent?
http://pro.corbis.com/images/AAJQ001001.jpg?size=67&uid=%7B4B1D5253-FA77-468F-BB64-90FBDE4DDF3B%7D
massraider
03-14-2009, 02:42 PM
Bluff called.
Looks like Al has been watching a lot of poker on TV.
Tenebrous
03-14-2009, 02:46 PM
Tenebrous, welcome bro.
Thanks man, glad to be here...
Langlier
03-14-2009, 02:48 PM
got the call on this a little bit ago. barnes wants to be here. his agent isnt going to get a better deal anywhere. Deal is going to be for decent RT money. I'm hearing 5 years.
Bluff called.
Looks like Al has been watching a lot of poker on TV.
It's HB's pinky "hit me" that the old mans picked up
Nice going pineapple, now give us another
hawaiianboy
03-14-2009, 02:58 PM
WTF is Raiderbeat?
Supposedly, the guy is a good friend of Mark Davis... They've been pretty good with the info they've put out, but more important, they ain't trying to reach into my wallet or make me wave their website is the bestest in the world pompom... ;)
I guess signing Barnes takes drafting an OT off the tackle at 7...
Byron2112
03-14-2009, 03:01 PM
WTF is Raiderbeat?
LOL.
Is that Willis' buddy?
Sister publication to Tigerbeat?
Who the hell is Barnes' agent anyway, George Costanza?
DarkDays
03-14-2009, 03:32 PM
This one is hard for me because I much like Al am not convinced that Barns is the man for the left tackle spot. There is a big gap in pay between left and right tackle and Al rightfully does not want to pay left money for a guy who is likely going right when he gets here. On one hand it would be nice to fill our tackle need in F/A and get a Raji or Crabtree with the seventh pick overall. But on the other if nobody in F/A can be the big time anchor we have been seeking since the departure of Lincoln big cat Kennedy.
From Raiderbeat.com, who have been accurate so far this offseason:
KHALIF BARNES TALKS BACK ON AND HEATING UP
Paul Wexler
RaiderBeat.com Staff Writer
The Oakland Raiders and free agent left tackle Khalif Barnes are back at the table and it looks like this time both sides could come to an agreement.
More soon.
CrossBones
03-14-2009, 03:35 PM
Advantage Al.
Don't fuck with the Dark Lord. ;)
Supposedly, the guy is a good friend of Mark Davis... They've been pretty good with the info they've put out, but more important, they ain't trying to reach into my wallet or make me wave their website is the bestest in the world pompom... ;)
You always struck me as a "Paul Wexler" type of nerd...
Its you running Raiderbeat, isnt it?
:)
CrossBones
03-14-2009, 03:44 PM
Raiderbeat?
Clearly you dopes have not heard of LangScoop.biz (an obvious affiliate of the one and only BlackReign.net). Bumped your heads, huh?
Look for the new "Premium" section soon. Only $19.95/year :wink: :wink:
massraider
03-14-2009, 03:47 PM
I am not sure I subscribe to the theory that RaiderBeat put forward, that they got back on board with Barnes because Andre Smith didn't impress them.
I think it's a coincidence. I think Barnes' people bluffed, Al called it, and after a few days, the talks started up again. It just so happened that Smith was having a Pro Day in the meantime.
I wasn't a big believer in the Smith to Oakland talk anyway. Stinks like NFL experts just trying to shoehorn a 'problem child' to the Raiders.
hawaiianboy
03-14-2009, 04:00 PM
Only a one year deal... I don't think this takes drafting an OT out of the mix:
Raiders agreed to terms with T Khalif Barnes on a one-year contract.
As stopgaps go, he's a better solution than Kwame Harris last year. But he's nothing special, and struggles in pass protection. JaMarcus Russell should still be rooting for Oakland to invest a draft pick at left tackle. At least Barnes will be motivated in a contract year.
Barnes: 'This is a great opportunity"
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
Archive
The Oakland Raiders scored a free agent coup Saturday by convincing Jaguars left tackle Khalif Barnes to sign with Raiders coach Tom Cable.
Barnes agreed to a one-year contract. Terms of the deal weren't available. Barnes had been in talks with the Bucs late last week but opted to go with the Raiders, who were recruiting him hard to be a possible starter along the offensive line.
With Kwame Harris released, the Raiders' left tackle position is open, and Barnes will be given the opportunity to compete for the starting job. Barnes was a second-round pick of the Jaguars who has been starting at that position since his rookie season.
"I think this is a great opportunity and place for me to start fresh," Barnes said. "I'm excited to be part of helping this franchise get back on top and I will have a shot to be the starter at left tackle and that's all I can ask for. I have a lot to prove and I'm betting on myself by agreeing to a one-year contract. [Raiders owner] Mr. [Al] Davis has a track record of taking care of his own guys and he promised me the same, if I take care of my business on and off the field."
Raiders sign ex-UW Husky Barnes
Barnes: 'This is a great opportunity"
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
The Oakland Raiders scored a free agent coup Saturday by convincing Jaguars left tackle Khalif Barnes to sign with Raiders coach Tom Cable.
Barnes agreed to a one-year contract. Terms of the deal weren't available. Barnes had been in talks with the Bucs late last week but opted to go with the Raiders, who were recruiting him hard to be a possible starter along the offensive line.
With Kwame Harris released, the Raiders' left tackle position is open, and Barnes will be given the opportunity to compete for the starting job. Barnes was a second-round pick of the Jaguars who has been starting at that position since his rookie season.
"I think this is a great opportunity and place for me to start fresh," Barnes said. "I'm excited to be part of helping this franchise get back on top and I will have a shot to be the starter at left tackle and that's all I can ask for. I have a lot to prove and I'm betting on myself by agreeing to a one-year contract. [Raiders owner] Mr. [Al] Davis has a track record of taking care of his own guys and he promised me the same, if I take care of my business on and off the field."
CrossBones
03-14-2009, 04:03 PM
Geeez guys...relax. "Z" and "HBoy" with dueling posts. :rotf:
You guys are quick but remember his isn't Anthony Munoz 'ya know. Anyway, it's a good start to get Russell some help.
I also agree that this in no way precludes the Raiders from taking an OT at seven. Just a little food for thought to muddy up your L'il Al submissions.
Byron2112
03-14-2009, 04:04 PM
I am not sure I subscribe to the theory that RaiderBeat put forward, that they got back on board with Barnes because Andre Smith didn't impress them.
I think it's a coincidence. I think Barnes' people bluffed, Al called it, and after a few days, the talks started up again. It just so happened that Smith was having a Pro Day in the meantime.
I wasn't a big believer in the Smith to Oakland talk anyway. Stinks like NFL experts just trying to shoehorn a 'problem child' to the Raiders.
Yeah, many, maybe most in the media don't even try anymore... ESPN certainly doesn't.
It's all trash flows to Oakland, all the time.
massraider
03-14-2009, 04:09 PM
Raiders sign ex-UW Husky Barnes
Barnes: 'This is a great opportunity"
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
"I think this is a great opportunity and place for me to start fresh," Barnes said. "I'm excited to be part of helping this franchise get back on top and I will have a shot to be the starter at left tackle and that's all I can ask for. I have a lot to prove and I'm betting on myself by agreeing to a one-year contract. [Raiders owner] Mr. [Al] Davis has a track record of taking care of his own guys and he promised me the same, if I take care of my business on and off the field."
This is the big statement to me.
Will the loser of the LT battle slide over to RT? Are the Raiders blowing smoke up his ass, and just gonna stick him at RT?
hawaiianboy
03-14-2009, 04:09 PM
Geeez guys...relax. "Z" and "HBoy" with dueling posts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOKV6JzHiNM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3980711
Sorry if its been posted.
Seals er up.
I'm happy.
We should sign Pace too though...
massraider
03-14-2009, 04:16 PM
I think this could backfire on both sides.
Barnes is signing a prove-it deal. What if the Raiders decide to keep Mario at LT, and Barnes feels like he didn't get a fair shot? Then he goes into free agency next year as a RT that couldn't beat out Mario Henderson. does he play it smart, and try and kick ass as RT, or does he sulk and complain, and become a detriment to the team?
Good point.
The best thing is we've upgraded OT at this point with Barnes and Pears.
hawaiianboy
03-14-2009, 04:19 PM
This is the big statement to me.
Will the loser of the LT battle slide over to RT?
Since Mario Henderson has a rep for not being the most self motivated guy, at the least leaving it open to competition may put him on notice that his practice habits better be up to Cable's liking this year...
massraider
03-14-2009, 04:20 PM
The best thing is we've upgraded OT at this point with Barnes and Pears.
This is very true also. I would say both these guys are upgrades over Cornell. Can't complain about that. We have a new starting RT this year, one way or the other. This is good news.
I like the quote though.
Davis takes care of his guys, and if I take care of business, he'll take care of me...
Thats a perfect saying. We will pay more than anyone (Aso, Lechler, Kelly) but you gotta show us the goods first.
Byron2112
03-14-2009, 04:24 PM
yeah, seems like mario needs some competition to motivate, so this could be good for him
CrossBones
03-14-2009, 04:25 PM
I like the quote though.
Davis takes care of his guys, and if I take care of business, he'll take care of me...
Thats a perfect saying. We will pay more than anyone (Aso, Lechler, Kelly) but you gotta show us the goods first.Is that just another way to say ``'ya gotta win"? I think so. http://www.blackreign.net/forums/images/icons/oakland_raiders2.gif
DarkDays
03-14-2009, 04:36 PM
This is the big statement to me.
Will the loser of the LT battle slide over to RT? Are the Raiders blowing smoke up his ass, and just gonna stick him at RT?
That is a great position for Al to put us in. It is a contract year basically and the guy has everything to prove and much to lose in the way of money. All the pressure is on him and none on Al. This is the kind of deal that made Al what he used to be. I hope barns is motivated and ready to play at LT or RT or whatever Cable tells him. If he works out than what a score if not than good day. I still want Mack in the second round.
hawaiianboy
03-14-2009, 05:44 PM
Wish Al had managed to tack a team option at the back end of this contract... This could end up being another Chris Clemons deal where we revive his career and lthen he's one and done with us...
One thing for sure is if Barnes faceplants ala Kwame on Cable, I doubt Al let's him do the shopping next year, provided Cable is still around of course...
Barnes deal shows Cable-Davis on the same page
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, March 14th, 2009 at 4:27 pm in Oakland Raiders.
In contrast to the ugliness of the previous regime between owner and coach, this is how the relationship is supposed to work.
Tom Cable got what he wanted in left tackle Khalif Barnes, according to an ESPN report. Al Davis got what he wanted, waiting until contract terms were favorable on a player who has had some off-the-field issues.
Barnes reportedly signed a one-year contract, meaning if he puts a good season together, he can seek bigger money next year when he will still be only 27 years old. From the sounds of it, Davis did a good job selling Barnes on that notion.
Having Barnes aboard will also keep a fire under Mario Henderson, and also ideally move Cornell Green to the bench, the role he was supposed to have for two seasons.
I think its a win-win.
The Clemons situation was a little different (Although relevant for sure). He was an undersized situational pass rusher who had a GREAT season playing opposite of a top notch pass rusher in Burgess. He didnt have a huge future anywhere as a starter, and we didnt seem intent on paying him 5m a year. If Barnes sucks it up, he's gone and we look for another replacement.
However;
I think if Khalif has a rennaisance year and locks down LT (Or RT) Al will pay him fairly and Barnes might be open to staying long term. We could essentially use a franchise tag if he doesnt use it on Morrison, right?
Byron2112
03-14-2009, 05:57 PM
what's the franchise # on O-line?
I'm okay with this move
Question is......?
Wheres he gonna play?
Raider Nation
03-14-2009, 06:32 PM
I'm okay with this move
Question is......?
Wheres he gonna play?
Granted the draft hasn't come and gone yet. But you want the true answer to that question?
He'll get a shot at starting at LT over Henderson. He and Henderson will battle it out. Loser may not get the RT position, though. There's still a VERY strong chance Al goes OT at #7 and finally fixes this o-line once and for all. Excellent deal for Barnes in that he has nothing to lose. He's clearly playing into the uncapped year idea next year. And an excellent move by Al to get a starting quality OT without having to give him $10 million in guaranteed cash.
Win-Win, IMO. Way to go, Al!
Granted the draft hasn't come and gone yet. But you want the true answer to that question?
He'll get a shot at starting at LT over Henderson. He and Henderson will battle it out. Loser may not get the RT position, though. There's still a VERY strong chance Al goes OT at #7 and finally fixes this o-line once and for all. Excellent deal for Barnes in that he has nothing to lose. He's clearly playing into the uncapped year idea next year. And an excellent move by Al to get a starting quality OT without having to give him $10 million in guaranteed cash.
Win-Win, IMO. Way to go, Al!
Hmmm... Not so sure I agree with that, Al pretty much said under breath that Henderson was the starter, and I gotta believe Barnes originally wanted LT money and the position and thats when as reported Al stepped in and said no fuckin way
As much as I'll disagree when April rolls around
If Crabtree is there at 7... You can pretty much expect to hear his name when we pick
I expect to see in week 1 Henderson at LT and Barnes at RT
And I'd be very cool with that
I wont vote this way in the L'il Al
But I wouldnt be surprised to see our draft in the 1st 3 rounds go
1) Crabtree
2) Center
3) DT
Wouldnt be what I'd do, but I'd give it a chance
Postmaster
03-14-2009, 07:26 PM
The Jaguars averaged 6.04 yards per carry running off left tackle in 2008, the second best mark in the league. Free agent LT Khalif Barnes isn't expected back, but he's still good on run blocks.
Choo Choo.....make way for Bush and McFadden.
Raider Nation
03-14-2009, 07:41 PM
Hmmm... Not so sure I agree with that, Al pretty much said under breath that Henderson was the starter, and I gotta believe Barnes originally wanted LT money and the position and thats when as reported Al stepped in and said no fuckin way
Al didn't say Henderson was the starter... he said Henderson was one of the young guys that stood out for him. And I saw the same final 3 games you did... he played very well against some tough competition.
But there's something under the surface that we, the fans, aren't getting. Kiffin continuously knocked him. And say what you will about Kiffin, that's more than fair. But Cable also went to Henderson as the starter begrudgingly. He was very reserved making that call. That alarms me a little.
Just my opinion, but Barnes will be given a shot to start at LT. And he's being signed as that extra "oomph" for Henderson so someone's breathing down his neck at LT. It's clear Henderson is an Al favorite, so he's the likely starter at LT unless he falls flat on his face.
What I like about the Barnes signing is it means the end of the Cornell Green era in Oakland. Either Barnes or Pears will start at RT, not Green.
Or we could see another monster named Andre Smith start at RT... :D
Byron2112
03-14-2009, 07:44 PM
Cornhole... we never knew ye...
Freakshow
03-14-2009, 08:12 PM
When we were in negotiations with Barnes last week just about everyone around here had him penciled in as our "next starting right tackle" who was asking for left-tackle money. Now it seems as if there's some confusion about that. I still think we brought him to be our RT, hence the less expensive one-year dealio.
My prediction for our starting '09 o-line:
LT - Mario
LG - Gallery
C - Unger
RG - McQ
RT - Barnes
CrossBones
03-14-2009, 08:19 PM
The thing about Henderson that *I* believe the coaches didn't like is that from all reports he wasn't a good practice player. However, whenever he got on the field on Sunday he played well...even against Buffalo when he got to play early in the season he was good. So, bottom line is some players aren't good practice players. How you get around that with the coaches is another story.
I'm not convinced that signing Barnes precludes drafting a tackle at seven. Al has to be fed up with the OL play and he's thinking about the big investment he has in Russell. He can't afford for the #12 pick to bust out so fixing the OL has to bed Job 1.
Also I be shocked if Barnes wasn't told that while he could compete for the starting LT spot he could lose out and be moved to RT. Gotta believe he OKed that and convinced somebody he wouldn't whone about it if he was beat out. Just my 2¢ on that.
Postmaster
03-14-2009, 08:20 PM
OT Barnes signs one-year deal with Raiders
Posted: News | NFL.com Staff | Tags: Khalif Barnes, Oakland Raiders
NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi confirms that free agent offensive tackle Khalif Barnes has signed a one-year deal with the Oakland Raiders. According to Lombardi, the Raiders have also promised not to choose an offensive tackle in April’s NFL Draft.
Barnes, 26, was drafted in the second round in 2005 by the Jaguars and has started 57 games in his four-year career. Barnes will compete for a starting job, as the Raiders cut veteran left tackle Kwame Harris last month
Lombardi is an idiot. We signed a guy for 1 year and guaranteed we wouldn't select a tackle in a tackle rich draft??? Sure Mike....
CrossBones
03-14-2009, 08:22 PM
Fuck you Lombardi. I'm starting to think he's a hater.
He has no way of knowing that AND Al would never make a deal like that. NEVER.
Raider Nation
03-14-2009, 08:48 PM
Lombardi is an idiot. We signed a guy for 1 year and guaranteed we wouldn't select a tackle in a tackle rich draft??? Sure Mike....
This exactly 1 day after Lombardi says "I've been in the room next to Al Davis for 8 years, he's not taking a WR... he's taking O-line or D-line".
What a friggin' douchebag.
I know some guys respect his opinion, but he screams as a guy who tries to hard to have a 'know' or 'in' about the Raiders, but comes across as a guy who nobody in the org would give the time of day anymore.
In recent years he's been wrong on a lot of stuff, and hit on a couple of broad strokes if I remember. ("The Raiders are enamored with McFadden and his speed. They always draft speed. Blah. Blah. Blah)
Madturk
03-15-2009, 04:55 AM
I'm not convinced that signing Barnes precludes drafting a tackle at seven. Al has to be fed up with the OL play and he's thinking about the big investment he has in Russell. He can't afford for the #12 pick to bust out so fixing the OL has to bed Job 1.
Also I be shocked if Barnes wasn't told that while he could compete for the starting LT spot he could lose out and be moved to RT. Gotta believe he OKed that and convinced somebody he wouldn't whone about it if he was beat out. Just my 2¢ on that.
Have to agree on both counts although I don't think we draft an OT in the first round. I think we address center first.
I love the way we handled the whole Barnes situation and I do believe this is the way it went down. You can compete for the LT gig, loser moves to RT. Basically a one year audition to show us what you have. We'll talk after that.
This signing does nothing for me. I have no faith in this loser. I see Kwame part II.
So far Gradkowski is the best move we've made.
This signing does nothing for me. I have no faith in this loser. I see Kwame part II.
So far Gradkowski is the best move we've made.
I'd say re-signing Aso and Lechler are the best moves we've made.
No matter what, if the Barnes and Pears signings generate some competition at RT instead of trotting Cornhole Green out there, I think we're better off.
massraider
03-15-2009, 05:11 PM
This signing does nothing for me. I have no faith in this loser. I see Kwame part II.
So far Gradkowski is the best move we've made.
I am cool with it for the price.
Sleet
03-15-2009, 05:21 PM
Who is Lombardi's source? I'm not saying Lombardi won't talk out of his asshole, but usually, he hears something, then extrapolates. So, what did he hear?
No way Al or anybody in the organization talks to Lombardi. That would be treason.
No way Al committed to not drafting an OT. Sure, it is logical that the Raiders would look elsewhere, first, but if RAJI, RAJI, RAJI and Crabtree are gone, and Monroe (or possibly even A. Smith) were there at #7, no way Al passes on that guy.
Barnes' agent likely raised the issue, and got a nice pat on the back, with nobody confirming or denying anything, just letting it sit there.
Barnes' agent then "protected" his guy with a one-year deal, so that he's not riding the bench behind Henderson and a rookie. Then Barnes' agent spoke to Lombardi, who then reported something moronic to anybody with any knowledge of Al.
As to the signing, itself, it works for me. Barnes essentially is in a contract year. If he players well, even at RT, he's going to get a long-term deal next year. Sure, he's motivated to win the LT spot, and he'll be disappointed if he doesn't win it. But, realistically, Al's already told him that its Henderson's job to lose. Henderson won the job last year, and looked good in the process. And Al is only paying Barnes $1.5 million(?). That's obviously the going rate for a starting RT, not LT. So, to get a LT spot next year, Barnes might have to excell this year.
We also have depth in case of injury. If Henerson were to go down, Barnes is there. If Barnes were to go down, Pears is there. If two of those guys were to get injured, Al has Green, McQue and Martin for depth.
Finally, if Al believes Henderson is the answer at LT, Al's not likely to spend the #7 pick on a RT. So, Barnes is the right move.
massraider
03-15-2009, 05:24 PM
Who is Lombardi's source?
Barnes' agent
That's my guess.
BigTron
03-15-2009, 05:30 PM
Fuck Lombardi. He is an idiot. The Dark Lord wouldnt promise a 1 year contract RT shit.
DarkDays
03-15-2009, 06:34 PM
Fuck Lombardi. He is an idiot. The Dark Lord wouldnt promise a 1 year contract RT shit.
The Dark Lord:D
Postmaster
03-15-2009, 07:00 PM
[Barnes (finally) signs
The Raiders signed tackle Khalif Barnes to a one-year contract today.
Barnes, 26, has 57 career starts in 60 games with experience at left and right tackle. The Raiders brought Barnes on to be a left tackle.
That means if Mario Henderson is going to be a starter, he's going to have to beat out Cornell Green at right tackle, which Henderson failed to do last year.
Barnes (6-5, 325) started 16 games for the Jacksonville Jaguars last season. He was a second-round pick of the Jaguars out of Washington.
This was a deal that was supposed to be done a week ago after Barnes enjoyed his visit to Oakland. But talks broke down and Barnes considered signing with Tampa Bay.
Ultimately, Barnes is a Raider where he'll be penciled in as the starting left tackle and will play for a coach he likes in Tom Cable.
This is Cable's second try at finding a left tackle in free agency. The Raiders tried Kwame Harris last season only to eventually bench him in favor of Henderson.
Oddly enough, the Raiders signed Harris while he was also considering a deal with Tampa, too.
Unlike Harris, Barnes doesn't come to Oakland having failed to hold on to a starting job with his previous team.
--Jason Jones
Mario is the Rodney Dangerfield of the Raiders. WTF. He must be doing something wrong.
hawaiianboy
03-15-2009, 07:18 PM
I'd be interested to know exactly what kind of deal was on the table a couple of weeks back when talks were cut off and Barnes supposedly offers from other teams... If I'm reading this correct, Barnes is now getting $1.2 million to play this year... That's about what Ricky Brown is getting and Brown is a borderline starter at best, probably mostly a special teams guy...
I'm with those that find the concept of Al promising not to draft a tackle as part of this deal laughable... Why would Al do that when Barnes could leave us holding our collective joints if he leaves after this season?...
Byron2112
03-15-2009, 07:39 PM
Soo... after all that posturing Barnes gets a million dollars?
:pound:
Sleet
03-15-2009, 09:06 PM
While I like JJ, he's off his rocker if he thinks Al is playing Barnes $1.2 million to play LT. That's not starting LT money, not even close.
My guess is, Cable didn't think the LT he wanted would be available to him at the #7 pick, Al likes Henderson, and Al's not going to take the 3rd or 4th best player at a position with the #7 overall pick.
Hopefully, signing Barnes enables Al to draft RAJI, RAJI, RAJI. Because I'm a big Robiskie fan, my hope is that if RAJI, RAJI, RAJI's gone, Al would trade down to position himself to draft Mack and Robiskie.
For now, all I can say is, let the best men (Henderson, Barnes, Pears, '09 Rookie, McQue, Green, Martin) win the two starting OT spots.
paranoidmoonduck
03-15-2009, 10:17 PM
Yeah, this looks to be mostly a move to add competition. Granted, it's a big boost in talent. Barnes, for all his struggles as a left tackle in 2008, has been a pretty good NFL lineman in his career. But this definitely isn't a long term fix and the contract recognizes that.
I love the move, personally. At the very least, Barnes will be a big upgrade over Green on the right side. However, if Oakland actually made an agreement to not draft any offensive tackle come April, then I like this move a bit less.
Raider Bill
03-16-2009, 06:58 AM
It's a shame we didn't approach last year like this year, then we could have approached this year like last year.
jatfly
03-16-2009, 07:08 AM
While I like JJ, he's off his rocker if he thinks Al is playing Barnes $1.2 million to play LT. That's not starting LT money, not even close.
My guess is, Cable didn't think the LT he wanted would be available to him at the #7 pick, Al likes Henderson, and Al's not going to take the 3rd or 4th best player at a position with the #7 overall pick.
Hopefully, signing Barnes enables Al to draft RAJI, RAJI, RAJI. Because I'm a big Robiskie fan, my hope is that if RAJI, RAJI, RAJI's gone, Al would trade down to position himself to draft Mack and Robiskie.
For now, all I can say is, let the best men (Henderson, Barnes, Pears, '09 Rookie, McQue, Green, Martin) win the two starting OT spots.
Really like that outlook, if we get RAJI ANd Robiskie!
Really like that outlook, if we get RAJI ANd Robiskie!Robiskie's production was lame. Not a single game over 90 yds until his bowl.
He has Fitzgerald speed without Fitzgerald's skills.
You guys think he's the answer. Whatever. If he's there in the 3rd I say take him.
Sleet
03-16-2009, 08:42 AM
RHC: We'll have to agree to disagree about Robiskie. He has huge hands, makes plays on the ball better than all but Crabtree, is a good route runner, and will go over the middle. As to production in college last year, he didn't play in a spread offense and he played for a rookie Ohio State QB who couldn't throw the ball.
Robiskie's will be taken in the 2nd round. In fact, the Total Access gang says that he's the most "sure thing" in the 2nd round of the draft for what's that worth.
BigTron
03-16-2009, 09:12 AM
Lil AL spoiler alert: A sleeper WR who isnt getting alot of love is Tate form UNC. He was the man for the Tarheels even over Nicks until his injury. I bet Al Davis didnt forget he was one of the fastest Wr's in the country either. I could see us taking him in Rnd 4 just like we did with Michael Bush.
Raider Bill
03-16-2009, 09:52 AM
Where do they have Kenny Britt going? I like him a lot better than Robiskie
Britt is a borderline rd 1, probably round 2 guy.
He's a solid WR in his own right for sur Billy boy.
I like Nicks out of that group of 'second tier' WRs (He reminds me of Tim Brown) but I don't think he lasts till pick 40.
massraider
03-16-2009, 10:59 AM
Robiskie's production was lame. Not a single game over 90 yds until his bowl.
He has Fitzgerald speed without Fitzgerald's skills.
You guys think he's the answer. Whatever. If he's there in the 3rd I say take him.
Did you see who was playing QB for OSU?
scootertramp
03-16-2009, 11:01 AM
Lil AL spoiler alert: A sleeper WR who isnt getting alot of love is Tate form UNC. He was the man for the Tarheels even over Nicks until his injury. I bet Al Davis didnt forget he was one of the fastest Wr's in the country either. I could see us taking him in Rnd 4 just like we did with Michael Bush.
6'6" Ramse Barden from lil' Cal Poly SLO is my sleeper pick!
6'6" Ramse Barden from lil' Cal Poly SLO is my sleeper pick!
eh, I doubt he'll do much damage in the Pros.. was a good FCS player tho..
BigTron
03-16-2009, 11:18 AM
6'6" Ramse Barden from lil' Cal Poly SLO is my sleeper pick!
He ran decent 40 at the combine for that size. He had trouble at senior week tho. So facing good competition might be a weakness. Could be dangerous in the redzone.
Jack's sore libido
03-16-2009, 12:05 PM
My understanding is that Britt has a major hard-on for ... himself.
The next diva receiver in the making.
Jack's sore libido
03-16-2009, 12:06 PM
Anyone else wonder if, given Al's approach to this offseason, maybe he really was giving Kid Kiffin a lot of rope last year?
Kiffin says he doesn't have the talent to win, says he needs DeAngelo, Javon, Gibril, etc. ... so Al makes it happen?
massraider
03-16-2009, 12:10 PM
Where do they have Kenny Britt going? I like him a lot better than Robiskie
Just from what I am seeing, I think there's a chance that both Britt and Robiskie will be there when we pick in the 2nd, but both be gone in the 3rd.
If anyone has a chance to move into the 1st, it'd be Britt. Better upside.
hawaiianboy
03-16-2009, 06:46 PM
Barnes signed as left, not right, tackle
David White
The Raiders have not officially announced the signing of offensive tackle Khalif Barnes -- just like they haven't announced the re-signings of Justin Miller, William Joseph, Ricky Brown, Jon Alston, Jon Condo and Chris Johnson, each whom arrived Monday for the first day of voluntary offseason workouts.
Nonetheless, Raiders coach Tom Cable acknowledged the fact Barnes is indeed the newest Raider, and that the switch hitter will be swinging from the left side of the plate -- for now.
"He's going to come in and compete at left tackle," Cable said. "It was a good thing for us to get him.
"He brings some competition to the position and, at the same time, won't deter us from what we need to do in the draft."
That last point is huge.
Earlier in the day, former Raiders executive Michael Lombardi (reportedly) wrote and said that Barnes was assured the Raiders would not draft a left tackle in the upcoming draft during his negotiations with the team.
Cable made it clear the Raiders will do as they well please. Barnes only got a one-year deal, so his signing does nothing to protect JaMarcus Russell's blindside in the long-term.
Barnes can step in right now and start at left tackle if needed. If Mario Henderson proves to be able to do the same, Barnes can move to right tackle because he can play both sides.
If the Raiders want to still draft a left tackle with the No. 7 overall pick, Barnes' short-term contract will not get in their way.
As for Henderson, his confidence is bolstered by the fact the Raiders didn't go out and throw a long-term contract at a left tackle. On his part, Henderson stayed in Alameda when the season ended and has worked out continually at the team facility.
"I just want to be consistent so they can depend on me and not worry about it," Henderson said. "I showed I can do it if given a chance. That's pretty much all I needed, a chance to show them what I can do.
"I just want to come out here and show them I can still do it."
Jack's sore libido
03-16-2009, 06:49 PM
Hoping to see ...
LT Henderson
LG Gallery
C Mack, Unger, Caldwell or Wood
RG Pears
RT Barnes
Me thinks they are giving Barnes a handicap on sacks allowed
6 on the season
He gives up 2 in the first 5 games and he's back to RT and no soup
I'd love to sign Fowler or Preston. Both have played guard and would represent upgrades over John Wade.
Madturk
03-16-2009, 08:05 PM
Hoping to see ...
LT Henderson
LG Gallery
C Mack, Unger, Caldwell or Wood
RG Pears
RT Barnes
I could definitely live with that scenario except for Pears at RG. It will most likely be Carlisle. Pears is a tall mofo too. Don't think he's suited for RG. Let's just get Louis Vasquez second day to be Carlisle's heir apparent.:p
paranoidmoonduck
03-16-2009, 10:39 PM
Of course Oakland is going to give Barnes a shot to win the left tackle job. But they don't have any real commitment holding them to playing him there unless he earns it.
DarkDays
03-17-2009, 12:29 AM
Of course Oakland is going to give Barnes a shot to win the left tackle job. But they don't have any real commitment holding them to playing him there unless he earns it.
It should be good competition between Barns and Super Mario, IMO they will both be starting it's just a matter of what side plus we have that guy from Denver who has played both Tackle spots as well. I want Mack and I think we need to do whatever it takes to get the kid.
Sleet
03-17-2009, 06:02 AM
While Henderson and Barnes are competing for the LT spot, Pears and Green will be competing for the RT spot. I think Green's days as a starter are over. However, if Henderson doesn't win the LT spot, I could be Pears winning the RT spot. Barnes, to me, is the only sure starter. That said, given his play at the end of last season and Al's stated support for Henderson, my guess is that he (LT) and Barnes (RT) will be a starters.
scootertramp
03-17-2009, 09:12 AM
He ran decent 40 at the combine for that size. He had trouble at senior week tho. So facing good competition might be a weakness. Could be dangerous in the redzone.
I didn't see the combine so I'm just going off what he's done at the college level. Cal Poly isn't a big school but their conference plays wide open football. You're right about being a nice red zone target. That's definitely something the Raiders could use.
While Henderson and Barnes are competing for the LT spot, Pears and Green will be competing for the RT spot. I think Green's days as a starter are over. However, if Henderson doesn't win the LT spot, I could be Pears winning the RT spot. Barnes, to me, is the only sure starter. That said, given his play at the end of last season and Al's stated support for Henderson, my guess is that he (LT) and Barnes (RT) will be a starters.
Agreed.
We might see some heated battles, we might hear som camp whispers etc.
When its all played out after camp though, I think Mario gets his shot to be 'the guy' at LT and Khalif is put in his more comfortable RT spot.
I think thats our best scenario too. Draft a young player for depth and have Pears be the swing tackle. Cut Cornhole and roll with it.
scootertramp
03-17-2009, 09:32 AM
Agreed.
We might see some heated battles, we might hear som camp whispers etc.
When its all played out after camp though, I think Mario gets his shot to be 'the guy' at LT and Khalif is put in his more comfortable RT spot.
I think thats our best scenario too. Draft a young player for depth and have Pears be the swing tackle. Cut Cornhole and roll with it.
You may be calling that one right. Barnes/Pears at right tackle. That's why Barnes didn't get the big bucks.
Stanny
03-17-2009, 10:24 AM
You may be calling that one right. Barnes/Pears at right tackle. That's why Barnes didn't get the big bucks.
And somewhere along the line, his feet must have grew....for some reason his footwork has went to the shits...Still a very good run blocker but pass protection went down the tubes. I wouldn't be surprised if he were cut...HOWEVER, the potential that he showed his first 2 years in the league shows he has the goods. Hopefully Cable can turn this kid around...Maybe he turns into our Lincoln Kennedy. I think Mario gets the LT spot and Barnes battles at RT as well. Let's also hope he stays off of Grandpa's "cough syrup" and doesn't get anymore DUI's....
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