Gruden and Allen fired!

[RZ]

Buccaneers fire Super Bowl-winning head coach Gruden

NFL.com Wire Reports

NFL Network's Adam Schefter is reporting that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have fired head coach Jon Gruden.

General manager Bruce Allen was also dismissed.

"We will be forever grateful to Jon for bringing us the Super Bowl title, and we thank Bruce for his contributions to our franchise," said Buccaneers co-chairman Joel Glazer. "However, after careful consideration, we feel that this decision is in the best interest of our organization moving forward."

Gruden went 60-57 in seven seasons as head coach of the Buccaneers, including the playoffs. He was the youngest coach to win a Super Bowl when he led Tampa Bay to a 48-21 win over the Oakland Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII, his first season with the team.

Gruden's firing means that there will be 10 new head coaches next season, the most since the 2005-06 season.

[CrossBones]

Ah the plot thickens.

Come home Bruce and Chuckie. :p

[hawaiianboy]

and your new coach of the Kansas City Chiefs is Jon Gruuuuuden...


Is it too much to hope that we bring back Bruce Allen to reel Al the hell in?...

[Madturk]

If KC getting Gruden means that they won't get Cowher, I'm all for it. I'd also gladly swap Gruden for Shanarat in the division as well. Seems like Shanny may be headed towards TB.

[Langlier]

I'd take both back... But i really think that if Bruce and Al can patch up that he will be back.

Gruden... As mentioned Cable has the job though pen has yet to touch paper... I'd take Gruden back but this isn't a gruden-eque team anymore

[RZ]

and your new coach of the Kansas City Chiefs is Jon Gruuuuuden...

Is it too much to hope that we bring back Bruce Allen to reel Al the hell in?...

Gruden doesn't like young players, he prefers Vets.. KC is full of young players.. just don't see it...

[Madturk]

Gruden doesn't like young players, he prefers Vets.. KC is full of young players.. just don't see it...


True dat but Chuckie won't be calling the shots there. I don't think he's in any rush to grab the first job that he gets offered. Both him and Allen just signed extensions last season.

[hawaiianboy]

As mentioned Cable has the job though pen has yet to touch paper...

Is this just speculation on your part or some Willis info?

[BoHogg Jackson]

wow....raheem morris lead candidate for the buc job.......

[BoHogg Jackson]

sirius reporting gruden had nothing but great things to say about al and how much he enjoyed his time in oaktown when the sirius producers were trying to get him to talk shit about al after the kiffy firing

wake up al.....open up the vault.....grudawg and allen go get em.......namdi will sign i guarantee it

[JohnQ]

I'm smart enough to know that nothing is cast in stone.But Goofy is already talking about Cowher or the Rat for TB.I mean Cowher looks too happy making all that jack being a talking head on CBS AND he said he isn;t coming back to coaching.

Next they will start talking about Dungy coming back.They already said that he was surprised when he heard the news.

Sheesh.

::Shakes Head::

[Byron2112]

The cupboard's bare in TB, why would anyone want to go there?

[JohnQ]

Cupboard is bare here too !!

[CrossBones]

The cupboard's bare in TB, why would anyone want to go there?Touché. :righton:

[Langlier]

Is this just speculation on your part or some Willis info?

not willis but "sources"

cant say much more then that

if pen had touched paper al couldn't interview anymore guys without having to go through teams first. now he can just claim he is interviewing for the HC position.

[Byron2112]

We have some young talent, Tampa is in about the same condition we were when Dirty Harry Calihan got himself fired.

[hawaiianboy]

Gruden doesn't like young players, he prefers Vets.. KC is full of young players.. just don't see it...


Actually, the first thing that came to mind was that Jerrah Jones's ear pricked up when he heard this...

[JohnQ]

What I find hilarious is that people HERE, not The Press,are actually talking about Chuckie coming back here.

Boggles the mind.

[JohnQ]

Actually, the first thing that came to mind was that Jerrah Jones's ear pricked up when he heard this...


Now that's not out in left field at all.

[Byron2112]

I actually have thought that Gruden would be perfect for Dallas.

Lots of talented veterans that need a foot up there ass and an identity, and they have the line and power back Gruden loves.

They could probably win some Championships together I'm sure.

[007]

I like Raheem Morris a lot. Perfect fit to carry on in Tampa.

Gruden will get the last coaching job, wherever that is.

Minnisota would happily let Gruden come in the vet laden squad and turn em around.

[RZ]

Actually, the first thing that came to mind was that Jerrah Jones's ear pricked up when he heard this...

ya, no shit... poor wade phillips lol

[BoHogg Jackson]

dolts would be wise to fire norval and bring him in......he and bruce may be locked at the hip and aj most likely stays

[NIPS]

I'm I fuckin good or what? Even my shit smells good

I called this, Denver getting tossed along with the Bucs and Gruden fired

And no... lets not start the Gruden to Oakland bullshit

[NIPS]

Talk here is shannarat to Tampa

[S and B Executioner]

If KC getting Gruden means that they won't get Cowher, I'm all for it. I'd also gladly swap Gruden for Shanarat in the division as well. Seems like Shanny may be headed towards TB.


Ya, Gruden as a head coach has produced AVERAGE teams. If he went to KC and produced a .500 Chiefs squad year in and year out, cool with me.

But here is the funny thing. He was here what, 4 years? 8-8, 8-8, 12-4 and 11-5. Whats that? 39-25? pretty good record, but couldn't seal the deal on a Super Bowl.

So TB fires Tony Dungy, who single handidly turned them into winners and was fired a year too early. The Bucs give up 4 picks and $8mil so Gruden can win a Super Bowl in year one. I submit that the Bucs would have won the Super Bowl that year anyway had Dungy stayed! So, in reality, they gave all that up for a guy to have 4 winning seasons out of seven and seasons where they were absolutely horrible and finishes his tenure with a 60-57 overall record. Tony Dungy sure as hell didn't have a single losing season in Indy and won a Super bowl with his team! I say the Glazers really aren't that smart and Gruden aint that great a coach.

I dont want him back! I would love to see Al and Bruce patch things up however!

[Jack's sore libido]

I'd take Gruden back ... as Cable's offensive coordinator.

[007]

Give me Gruden and Allen and Im a happy Raider fan.

About as much a chance as that happening, as there is Mike Shanahan coming 'home' to Oakland, LOL.

[Raiders757]

I submit that the Bucs would have won the Super Bowl that year anyway had Dungy stayed!

I submit that Dungy took the Bucs as far as he could take them at that time, and they wouldn't have even made it to the Super Bowl, let alone beat Gruden and the Raiders(being that if Tony stayed in Tampa, John porbably would have rode out his final year in Oakland).

Gruden got the Tampa offense to finally move the ball, and make some plays. If Gruden didn't go to Tampa, I submit that Tampa still wouldn't have a championship at all.

...and everyone needs to just forget about John coaching our Raiders again. His time came and went. It will be Tom Cable next season.

[YodasBeast]

I also have to disagree about them winning it all. It was stated by many of the Bucs players that Gruden knew all of the weaknesses and plays of the Raiders, so they were able to counter them easily. Without Gruden there, I think we would have most likely walked away with a 4th trophy.

[raider60]

Looking back at the Gruden years in Oakland I wonder how much of the success was due to Gruden, and how much was due to Gannon?

[CrossBones]

Do their "crazies" match? :D

[Abelardo]

Maybe it's a pipe dream but many, many guys in the nation (including me) would love to see him back. Seems like a very remote if nonexistant possibility, but it shure fires up everybody.

First, Al and Chucky share some ideas about football, everybody knows they're good at making the best of vets, even get extra mileage from them.

They're different cos Al is aggressive at offence, while Chucky runs a conservative game with his dink and dunk.

They both like a power running game. Chucky can handle perfectly a RB by comitee, which happens to be what we have now as best weapon.

Chucky has the perfect character in the history to be the head on the Raiders sideline. His simple presence seemed to make players play. The stands would go crazy in a second.

Chucky is a damned pussy calling plays, but what the heck? he is not a loser like we are now. His worst with the bucs is better than anything Al can put on the table for 20 years, except for the same Gruden itself.

Please Al, for once, listen to the nation.

Hey, good stuff were burning. Pass the pipe please.

[fatdog]

I am not a fan! He was way too conservative for me and if it wasn't for a Gannon type qb he wouldn't have won as many games as he did.

[BoHogg Jackson]

bottom line he put us in a position to win.....losing to the ravens in the championship game.....losing to the pats in the tuck game.......losing to the bucs in the superbowl

those were grudawgs teams.....and i'll take those losses any day over the crap that's been the last 6 years

not to mention the class and respect bruce allen brought in.....i say bring em both back

[Madturk]

Gruden got the Tampa offense to finally move the ball, and make some plays. If Gruden didn't go to Tampa, I submit that Tampa still wouldn't have a championship at all.



The Buc defense carried that team for most of the season. IIRC Derrick Brooks had more td's than anyone on their offense through midseason. The offense and especially the OL didn't really start gelling until nearly the latter part of the season. They just got hot at the right time.

Dungy's problem is that he never had a strong OC during his tenure there. Clyde Christiansen had to be one of the worst OC's in recent memory. It's possible that Dungy's conservative offense may have prohibited a SB appearance. However, Rich McKay and Dungy built that vaunted defense.

[hawaiianboy]

bottom line he put us in a position to win.....losing to the ravens in the championship game.....losing to the pats in the tuck game.......losing to the bucs in the superbowl

those were grudawgs teams.....and i'll take those losses any day over the crap that's been the last 6 years

I totally agree... Gru had his faults: conservative, didn't make game adjustments... but what he did do was wash the stink of losing and complacency off this organization that existed when he took over... I'll always be grateful for that no matter how the marriage ended... That we've seen the stink of losing and complacency grow back even worse is a stronger testament to what he accomplished here than the won/loss record he put up...

That said, there is no chance in Hell that Gruden would want to come back... He's already experienced freedom... Why would he want to put himself back under Al's thumb and be micromanaged again?... Gruden won't be out of work long... He's 1B to Cower's and Shanahan's 1A... These guys are the high ticket items.... Unfortunately, we're delegated to shopping the .99c bin, or so I've been told....

[RNorris]

It seems like his act with a team (players) wears thin after 4 or 5 years, but in his time here before, he changed the culture and pretty damn quickly. I know there were rumblings near the end that the players were sick of him, however they did play hard for him and were competitive. We haven't had that since the SB year.

Not like he would come back here, but I would gladly welcome him changing the culture here like he did before. I am fucking desperate for some kind of change as I am sure everyone is.

All that being said, even if he did come back, is Russell his type of QB? I don't think he fits the mold of intelligent, accurate, west coast type.

[BoHogg Jackson]

probably makes too much sense for al to at least give em both a call and see what the chances are

i can still see grudawg high fiving the fans at the 04 game when gannon had his neck broke and from listening to pat kirwin and tim ryan talking on sirius yesterday..... talking about gruden not wanting to pile on davis over the kiffy firing and what a great time he had in oaktown

i may be dreaming but it's possible if gruden wants to work next year.....the jets and the raids are the last 2 choices unless someone else blows up the franchise to start again

bruce allen won't be working for the jets so gru would be on his own there....we need a gm and a coach that can fill the seats.....allen left on good terms

als history from swindling the ownership to getting the glazers to cough up 4 picks and 8 million for gruden could keep growing.....he could get them cheap for a few years anyway while the glazers paid the rest on the money they owe

then again.....i can hear al rappin from the crypt to the tune of chucky how's my ass taste.....doesn't hurt to dream i guess

[Rupert]

"Chucky, how's my ass taste?" Classic. REP!!!

[Rupert]

Seriously though, I wouldn't mind having Gruden's wife back here. She was cute as hell and bubbling with personality.

[Madturk]

I think the Bucs are going to be in for some lean seasons.

[Raiders757]

The Buc defense carried that team for most of the season. IIRC Derrick Brooks had more td's than anyone on their offense through midseason. The offense and especially the OL didn't really start gelling until nearly the latter part of the season. They just got hot at the right time.

Dungy's problem is that he never had a strong OC during his tenure there. Clyde Christiansen had to be one of the worst OC's in recent memory. It's possible that Dungy's conservative offense may have prohibited a SB appearance. However, Rich McKay and Dungy built that vaunted defense.

I don't disagree with that at all. Still, I think a lot of people cut Gruden short in the credit department, when it comes to their Super Bowl win. I just didn't see Tampa making it to the big game if Dungy stayed. He built that team into winners, but he took them as far as he could with what he had. Tampa's offense was terrible, and even though it took time, Gruden squeezed just enough out of them when it mattered the most.

Despite saying that, I still remember thinking the Bucs were nuts when they fired him that offseason. More so than now, in firing Gruden. I don't know much about this guy they hired to coach the teir team in 2009, but it just seems the Bucs are on the road back to suck. At least for a little while.

[RFID]

"Chucky, how's my ass taste?" Classic. REP!!!

Copyright infringement I say!!!

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[Rupert]

You should ask Bob Dylan about All Along the Watchtower. The majority of people think Jimi Hendrix wrote it. Oops.

[JohnQ]

You should ask Bob Dylan about All Along the Watchtower. The majority of people think Jimi Hendrix wrote it. Oops.

Jimi didn't right that ? DOH.

:o

[Raider Bill]

I don't disagree with that at all. Still, I think a lot of people cut Gruden short in the credit department, when it comes to their Super Bowl win. I just didn't see Tampa making it to the big game if Dungy stayed. He built that team into winners, but he took them as far as he could with what he had. Tampa's offense was terrible, and even though it took time, Gruden squeezed just enough out of them when it mattered the most.

Despite saying that, I still remember thinking the Bucs were nuts when they fired him that offseason. More so than now, in firing Gruden. I don't know much about this guy they hired to coach the teir team in 2009, but it just seems the Bucs are on the road back to suck. At least for a little while.

No way Dungy's Buccaneers go into Vet stadium and beat the Eagles.

[Raider Bill]

I also have to disagree about them winning it all. It was stated by many of the Bucs players that Gruden knew all of the weaknesses and plays of the Raiders, so they were able to counter them easily. Without Gruden there, I think we would have most likely walked away with a 4th trophy.

Without Gruden there, we would have been playing the Eagles and beaten them soundly IMO. Gannon would have ate that blitz up.