Rob Ryan:

[massraider]

If you want him as head coach, you are a fucking moron that couldn't be trusted with a spatula.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

I blame this loss soley on that dumbfuck.

[BigTron]

Lane Kiffins offense sucks dick also. Can both of them IMO. How many fucking times are you gonna run the ball when the defense is shutting it down. We lost this game by sitting on our ass on offense and then playing prevent defense in the last 6 minutes. Seriously, i understand we have a young QB etc. I dont give a shit this is the NFL. If we had ran a play action any time in the 2nd half we might have gottena first down. Run on first, run on second, 3 and 10... both these coaches suck and coach to lose. I saw that ending coming a mile away.

[SoCalRaider]

Just give me a coach who knows what a timeout is.

[poptart]

614 page post-game analysis/sob fest cliff notes for sale right here ...

We lost this game by sitting on our ass on offense and then playing prevent defense in the last 6 minutes

Well done.

[massraider]

Just give me a coach who knows what a timeout is.

Never should have gotten that far.

[Madturk]

Rob Ryan is the best DC for the 1st 3 Quarters. Him, Kiff and Knapp can take a hike for all I care. Leave me Rathman and Cable.

[s.dot88]

Rob Ryan is the best DC for the 1st 3 Quarters. Him, Kiff and Knapp can take a hike for all I care. Leave me Rathman and Cable.

at this point, i'd still like to keep Knapp, see Ryan dead, and IF Kiffin WANTS to be here, keep him as well

i still dont understand how this is rob ryan's profession and he still cant figure out that if something is working for 3 quarters you stick with it

[Raider Bill]

We need someone off that Jim Johnson tree... that fucking guy knows how to call a game.

Rob Ryan is about as useless as tits on a bull.

[RHC]

We need someone off that Jim Johnson tree... that fucking guy knows how to call a game.

Rob Ryan is about as useless as tits on a bull.Mother of God dude.

Just go suck Johnson's dick, willya?

[Rupert]

We need someone off that Jim Johnson tree... that fucking guy knows how to call a game.

Rob Ryan is about as useless as tits on a bull.

Didn't we have a worthless piece named Turner at one point? Or are you talking about another Jimmy Johnson?

[Blackened]

Didn't we have a worthless piece named Turner at one point? Or are you talking about another Jimmy Johnson?


Jim Johnson the Eagles DC is the guy Bill is referring to.

[NIPS]

Rob Ryan is about as useless as tits on a bull.

Wait just a dern minute here!

Tits are fascinating objects on anything

[Raidermania12]

Mother of God dude.

Just go suck Johnson's dick, willya?

Bill is a Jim Johnson cocksucker as long as he's been Raider Bill. But for once he has a point in comparing a legit DC(Whether Jim Johnson or Monte Kiffin) to Rob Ryan.

Though the problem probably has more to do with Ryan's willingness to kneel before the Dark Lord rather than defy him and run the defense the way his Bro and father have.

[NIPS]

If you want him as head coach, you are a fucking moron that couldn't be trusted with a spatula.

**Smacks Mass upside head with spatula** :D

We were on Buffalos 5, 12 and 15 yard line 3 times and came away with no TD's

This is unacceptable

We should have and failed to go into the locker room at halftime with a commanding lead of 21-7

Instead we go in with a 9-7 lead

The offesnse was embarrassing.

The only reason we were not blown out today was because of our defense

Forget all the prevent shit

Score the fucking 7 points when you have the chance and quit fuckin walking away with 3 fucking points

[s.dot88]

**Smacks Mass upside head with spatula** :D

We were on Buffalos 5, 12 and 15 yard line 3 times and came away with no TD's

This is unacceptable

We should have and failed to go into the locker room at halftime with a commanding lead of 21-7

Instead we go in with a 9-7 lead

The offesnse was embarrassing.

The only reason we were not blown out today was because of our defense

Forget all the prevent shit

Score the fucking 7 points when you have the chance and quit fuckin walking away with 3 fucking points


very true

also, im 100% with Bill

Jim Johnson, IMO, has got to be one of the best DC's ive ever seen call a game. the guy knows how to pressure QBs, making everybodies job on defense a whole hell of a lot easier

theirs a reason why the DBs in philly are always looked at as elite, and that pass rush plays a HUGE role in that. and honestly, their front 4 really doesnt consist of anybody to write home about, IMO. all solid players, but nobody that is near elite.

Jim Johnson will never come here, and we'll probably never see a scheme like his until Al moves on, but if there were a team that was tailor made to run that shit, i'd have to think its us.

[Raider Bill]

Bill is a Jim Johnson cocksucker as long as he's been Raider Bill. .

Who was it that wrote the blueprint how to defeat the Patriots?

Had McNabb not been hurt, the Eagles would have beaten them. They almost did with Feeley under center.

Not cooincedentally.. the Giants OC is a Jim Johnson guy.

If you're going to have Hall playing such a big cushion, you need to hurry the throws. It's not just about sending a lot of guys, it's sending them to an area where the other team is unable to block them all.

[jatfly]

Maybe I am wrong but I don't like RYAN and I am tired of hearing people defend his foolish coaching. Kiffin can be fired I don't care anymore. Al gonna do what he wants.
But one thing is clear Ryan's not a DC and I pry he isn't here next year.....
This defense could be so much better. We don't Blitz enough!

[Raider Bill]

Jim Johnson, the Eagles' defensive coordinator, is the wagon master of today's NFL. He's not afraid to blitz. His defenses thrive on it. It's exciting, the Philly fans, still yearning for the Buddy Ryan days, love it, and it has gotten his team ranked No. 2 in the league in pass defense.

"Some people might think I'm crazy," he says, "but there are a lot of things you can do now. You can pressure a side with four people and still drop back into a zone behind it. You can drop a lineman off, not to cover, really, but to occupy a spot. You hate to give up a big play, of course, but if a team is in, say, four or five wideouts, you can't just play man coverage all over the field. You're just kidding yourself. They'll eat you up. You have to bring pressure.

"If you were going against a team like the old 49ers, for instance, you couldn't just let 'em run their offense without pressure. You've got to try to disrupt the quarterback."

Sometimes, he says, you can't do it. The Redskins' system, for instance, first under Joe Gibbs, then Norv Turner, would handle blitz-happy defenses by using two tight ends for maximum protection; max-protect, it was called. Gibbs would run three wideouts in a bunch formation, all of them starting in a small area and then branching out, off of it, and would drive people nuts. Turner would buy his receivers time with his max-protect scheme and send only two of them out, but they'd have time to run their full roster of fakes and cuts. The Gibbs and Turner 'Skins were teams you wouldn't want to blitz much, Johnson says.

You have a read on each quarterback and his level of courage, he adds. "Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, those guys are fearless," he says. "So was Troy Aikman, while he was playing. But that doesn't mean that you don't go after them." It was the Eagles' full blitz package in the opener that gave Warner one of his rougher afternoons of the season, taking the Rams into overtime, where they finally won.

"Other quarterbacks, well, maybe if their courage is a little in question, or maybe if they're young and haven't been in the league that long and aren't that familiar with the scheme, they're gonna see blitzes all day. Pretty soon they start looking for the rush, and then you've got 'em."

The key to it, of course, is having personnel who are suited to the blitz scheme. All three Eagles linebackers can come hard. Free safety Brian Dawkins is one of the best pass-rushing DBs in the league. And the corners must go into a game knowing they're in for a day of man coverage.

"Well, we have two very good ones, Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor," Johnson says. "They have to be not only athletically gifted but also smart. They have to know where the hot read is, the first guy the quarterback will go to against a blitz, and get on it quickly. It's something we work on very heavily in practice, I'd say around 40 percent of the time.

"When it's a max-blitz, a full blitz, the cornerback has to say to himself, 'I have to make the tackle.' He has to be mentally strong. And he has to have faith in you that you're not going to put him in an unsound scheme. That's what I always tell them. 'I'm not going to put you in a bad situation. There will always be help.'

"If they get beaten, they know they're going to see it on the highlight shows. They hate it. If they appear on that show too many times, they start to lose trust in you."

Each week Johnson starts with what he calls the "nuts and bolts" of his blitz package, maybe seven or eight of them, and then adds 10 or so. After the game around eight of them go on the shelf, probably to be used sometime later in the season. Next week 10 new ones are in.

"They come to me all the time," he says. "I think of them driving to work ... it's a 45-minute drive. I keep a pencil and paper next to me, and I just pull over and write them down. I'll think of one on the treadmill in the morning, and I'll get off and write it down. I'll get out of the middle of the shower, dripping wet, and write one down. I don't wait to get to my office."

It's not a haphazard thing. It's a carefully thought-out, intricate package of misery that awaits the quarterback who must face the Eagles. Sometimes Johnson's blitz scheme works, sometimes it's not so successful. But it's action football, active coaching, it's not just the lay-back, come-get-us scheme that's known in the business as "the slow burn."
I wish more guys weren't afraid to coach it.

[Raider Bill]

Didn't we have a worthless piece named Turner at one point? Or are you talking about another Jimmy Johnson?

Nah. Jimmy Johnson was beneficiary of one of the stupidest trades ever. His coaching tree sucked, Wandstet, Turner, ?

[RHC]

Jim Johnson would be a great upgrade.

So would about 25 other DCs in the league.

At least the defense played with stones the vast majority of the time. The offense played like they were happy to gain 2 yards on every play.

That is, when they weren't busy LOSING 2 yards like on that last drive.

3rd-and-12 deep in our own territory and Kiff calls a 34-yd touch pass to Curry on the sildeline.

3-12-OAK 18 (2:47) 2-J.Russell pass incomplete deep right to 89-R.Curry. Overthrown, receiver near sideline at BUF 48.

We give them the ball back with good fiield position.

4-12-OAK 18 (2:41) 9-S.Lechler punts 57 yards to BUF 25, Center-59-J.Condo. 11-R.Parrish to BUF 34 for 9 yards (54-S.Williams).

Then we use the infamous Ryan pussy prevent.

KEY GAME STAT: Zack Miller 0 catches for 0 yards. WHAT THE FUCK?

[Rupert]

Nah. Jimmy Johnson was beneficiary of one of the stupidest trades ever. His coaching tree sucked, Wandstet, Turner, ?

Which is why I asked.

[Abelardo]

Three quarters of good defence are worthless if you lay an egg in the fourth. I see two reasons for this: One the defence seemed to be exhausted, and the defensive scheme went into Ryan's mode, this means pussy mode. It's surprising for a guy with such "guts" being so cautious.

Ryan has had 5 years to develope his system. has been given tons of picks. The result is mediocre at best. The guy has shown little evidence of having strategic skills, still Al wants to make him the next HC. May God have mercy on our souls!

Please, name Knapp or Lofton but not Ryan! He's another Butt Bungal or Mike White, except bulkier and with a foul mouth. The player's coach style of direction is completely outdated in modern NFL.

As for Kiffin, I'm very dissapointed by the way he is game-planning, the playcalling and the clock management. Those excuses he gave for not calling time outs are ludicrous. I really don't care if he stays or leave now. He is more or less in the same stage as Russell, but nobody in wants to see it. He ain't completely ready for NFL decission making. Needs two or three years as an assistant coach, cos that's what he is here now.

When you supposedly play a good game and still lose, it means you're in deep shit. What have you do to get a lot better and win some games?

When does the hurting stop?

We're doomed.

[Raider Bill]

Ryan has had 5 years to develope his system

Exactly. 5 seasons later, he still sucks.

Kiffin is on game 3 with for all intents and purposes, a rookie, at the most important position.

[Jack's sore libido]

The guy has shown little evidence of having strategic skills, still Al wants to make him the next HC. May God have mercy on our souls!

Well, on the bright side, at least he wouldn't be coordinating the defense anymore. :o

And the players -- for whatever reason -- seem to like him.

Uncautiously optimistic: The guys play hard for Ryan, and the new DC gets the most out of them scheme-wise, and the Raiders actually benefit from it.

I know. I'm dreaming. I think I have to.

[BigTron]

Well, on the bright side, at least he wouldn't be coordinating the defense anymore. :o

And the players -- for whatever reason -- seem to like him.

Uncautiously optimistic: The guys play hard for Ryan, and the new DC gets the most out of them scheme-wise, and the Raiders actually benefit from it.

I know. I'm dreaming. I think I have to.

Can we trade him for his brother. The Ravens defense is a thing of beauty. They basically give the offense a great chance to win every week. They also have a rookie QB and a mediocre OL with limited WR's.

[Jack's sore libido]

Do you really want to hurt me?

Do you really want to make me cry?

[Abelardo]

One thing both Kiffin and Ryan lack is killer instinct. Both guys play safe most of the time. Even if Shanny showed them the way last week by going for a two point conversion, the Raiders seem not been registering what's going on in the rest of the league. Those are guts, not the ones Ryan showed ina press conference against sorry journalists.

For sure this team has improved compared to 2006 disaster, but in terms of wins the result is just marginally better. Doesn't the owner main motto is "Just win baby"?

As for yesterday's drama, remember even Butt Bungal and Mike White lost close games like these. Losing this way doesnt' help at all. Remember that Andre Rison catch at the end of a game? That effectively killed Joe Bugel. His body language was telling the bitter truth.

Kiffin kept his chin up on sunday, but looked rather a cynic SOB. Those non time out calls speak of something very bad in his mind: The guy doesn't go for a killing never, he is always waiting for the enemy to fall alone. Many coaches would be waiting for another chance to get the ball, small as it could be. If you know you can't stp them, instead of letting the clock run down, you gamble. a massive blitz or close covers... something. I don't want a coach ilke that.

If you can't stop them let them score, cos you know you may get the ball and let fate be decided by your actions, not the the enemy's actions, as Kiffin did.

Killer instinct dammit! You must feel the need to jump to the throat of your enemy! otherwise you suck as a coach, no matter how well you can prepare a team. I'm ready to see a new HC, I only wish it won't be Fat ass-Foul mouth-Pussy playcalling Ryan.

[BigTron]

If Ryan doesnt have to do anything schematically he might be the perfect coach AT THIS POINT. Hhaha. He wants to be here, he takes Al's shit, the players love him and nobody else wants to take him as a HC. He at least takes responsibility and shows some fire. IF you take him off the X's and O's and find someone who will pressure the QB...

[Stanny]

One thing both Kiffin and Ryan lack is killer instinct. Both guys play safe most of the time. Even if Shanny showed them the way last week by going for a two point conversion, the Raiders seem not been registering what's going on in the rest of the league. Those are guts, not the ones Ryan showed ina press conference against sorry journalists.

For sure this team has improved compared to 2006 disaster, but in terms of wins the result is just marginally better. Doesn't the owner main motto is "Just win baby"?

As for yesterday's drama, remember even Butt Bungal and Mike White lost close games like these. Losing this way doesnt' help at all. Remember that Andre Rison catch at the end of a game? That effectively killed Joe Bugel. His body language was telling the bitter truth.

Kiffin kept his chin up on sunday, but looked rather a cynic SOB. Those non time out calls speak of something very bad in his mind: The guy doesn't go for a killing never, he is always waiting for the enemy to fall alone. Many coaches would be waiting for another chance to get the ball, small as it could be. If you know you can't stp them, instead of letting the clock run down, you gamble. a massive blitz or close covers... something. I don't want a coach ilke that.

If you can't stop them let them score, cos you know you may get the ball and let fate be decided by your actions, not the the enemy's actions, as Kiffin did.

Killer instinct dammit! You must feel the need to jump to the throat of your enemy! otherwise you suck as a coach, no matter how well you can prepare a team. I'm ready to see a new HC, I only wish it won't be Fat ass-Foul mouth-Pussy playcalling Ryan.

What killer instinct do you expect to have on offense? How do you kill when your best players are numbers 20, 29 and 80? Number 80 gets doubled by a backer and rolling the safety, numbers 20 and 29 have 6-8 in the box...WE HAVE NO WEAPONS to have a Killer instinct as Kiff has pointed out. We have to have the weakest WR's in the NFL...They are beyond slow and have displayed hands of stone. I think they brought in Troupe so that they can flex Miller out and get some one on one matches because our WR's blow that hard.

They should have fucking let Javon Walker turn in his money as he suggested, let him walk and retire and fucking called up Arizona immediately and threw away a number 1 and got Anquan Boldin.

But instead, Al fucks up again, blows a wadd and now is going to punt the only guy keep the ship afloat in Kiffin.

Man this is tough to watch this soap opera...

[BigTron]

Why dont we throw and screen passes? JHL seems like a playmaker to me.

[Abelardo]

What killer instinct do you expect to have on offense?

Killer instinct is an attitude, not a strategy. its something you bring on by nature, not by means of decision making.

Those time outs wasted expose the situation. Yeah, the bills may have scored even more easily, but you couldva got an extra chance to throw some long passes. Instead Kiffin opted for expecting a failure in the FG attempt, while the kicker practically hasn't missed from the distance. Icing the kicker may be another example. Shanny tought hima lesson, he soon forgot.

Killer instinct has to do nothing with the tools you have. That's why it is an "instinct".

[london raider 2]

Whos better/worse - Rob Ryan or Chuck Bresnahan ?

[Rupert]

Whos better/worse - Rob Ryan or Chuck Bresnahan ?

One blitzed too much, the other too little. They both threw in the prevent defense too early when their base defense was working to perfection.

They are twin sons of different mothers. Each one a mother in his own right.

[london raider 2]

One blitzed too much, the other too little. They both threw in the prevent defense too early when their base defense was working to perfection.

They are twin sons of different mothers. Each one a mother in his own right.

So both crap eh?

[Madturk]

Well, on the bright side, at least he wouldn't be coordinating the defense anymore. :o



Yeah Wink Martindale and the Cryptkeeper will be calling the defensive signals.:shakehead:

[Rupert]

So both crap eh?

Nailed it.

What's incredibly odd is that they both show moments of lucidity from time to time and then show moments of unbridled lunacy at other times.

I've never been able to fathom how anyone could do that.

How did we keep such a potent offense like Buffalo's in check? Spot on strategy.

How did we hand them the game? Complete lack of strategy.

How does anyone do that?

Mind boggling.

[london raider 2]

Out of interest where is Bresnahan now - i know he was at the Bungles & was crap but now?

[london raider 2]

Back on to Ryan - did you hear commentators yesterday say after Donx game the players had said to him just to let them play & forget schemes?

If true shows the D dont have faith in him

[s.dot88]

the announcers repeatedly said that Morrison and Howard went to Rob Ryan and asked to "turn them loose"

they mentioned something about not having to be perfect on every play, and being able to be more aggressive

[Raidermania12]

Back on to Ryan - did you hear commentators yesterday say after Donx game the players had said to him just to let them play & forget schemes?

If true shows the D dont have faith in him

Liking Ryan as a person isnt the same as respecting him as a coach.

[Raider Bill]

Nailed it.

What's incredibly odd is that they both show moments of lucidity from time to time and then show moments of unbridled lunacy at other times.

I've never been able to fathom how anyone could do that.

How did we keep such a potent offense like Buffalo's in check? Spot on strategy.

How did we hand them the game? Complete lack of strategy.

How does anyone do that?

Mind boggling.



They both use the Al Davis playbook.


Remember when.......

[RZ]

They both use the Al Davis playbook.


Remember when.......

which is on the same dusty shelf as the Raider Fan Handbook that most fans live and die by :rolleyes:

[Rupert]

which is on the same dusty shelf as the Raider Fan Handbook that most fans live and die by :rolleyes:

Now now. Be nice. That shelf can't possibly be dusty with all the use those books get. Especially these days. ;)

[RaiderDestiny]

So both crap eh?

Bres was a master of getting players out of position by scheming too much. Ryan is a master of getting players out of position by not scheming at all. Different philosophies, same result. Why we don't get a scheme that fits our players or players that fit our scheme I will never know. Anyone else remember when the Raiders owned the 4th quarter?

[RaiderIVlife]

I think what really lost that game was our lack of quality depth at DT & DE. The guys were completely gassed after that 96' drive that Buffalo dropped on us to narrow the score to 16-14 at that point & time.

Even though Russell connected with JLH on a 3rd & Long for a TD, that was essentially a "3 & out" in terms of getting the defense some rest. Too bad that TD didn't occur after at least 1 solitary 1st down.

Had that happened, we are talking about a 2-1 Raider team with momentum. It seems we are "that close" despite all the anciliary issues.

"that close"

[brick]

I think what really lost that game was our lack of quality depth at DT & DE. The guys were completely gassed after that 96' drive that Buffalo dropped on us to narrow the score to 16-14 at that point & time.

Even though Russell connected with JLH on a 3rd & Long for a TD, that was essentially a "3 & out" in terms of getting the defense some rest. Too bad that TD didn't occur after at least 1 solitary 1st down.

Had that happened, we are talking about a 2-1 Raider team with momentum. It seems we are "that close" despite all the anciliary issues.

"that close"

I'm right with you with the lack of depth up front along with the inability of the offense to move the ball costingthe Raiders that game.

The Raiders had only 6 defensive lineman suit up Sunday to go up against one of the biggest, most physical lines in the NFL. So they looked great early when their speed was an advantage, but as they wore down there was nothing coming from the front 4.

Burgess and Warren get hurt, and all of the sudden the Raiders are force to put Fred Wakefield in.

Couple that with the fact that the offense only managed two drives of at least 6 plays all day, and the defense was bound to completely break down.

[RaiderIVlife]

I'm right with you with the lack of depth up front along with the inability of the offense to move the ball costingthe Raiders that game.

The Raiders had only 6 defensive lineman suit up Sunday to go up against one of the biggest, most physical lines in the NFL. So they looked great early when their speed was an advantage, but as they wore down there was nothing coming from the front 4.

Burgess and Warren get hurt, and all of the sudden the Raiders are force to put Fred Wakefield in.

Couple that with the fact that the offense only managed two drives of at least 6 plays all day, and the defense was bound to completely break down.

We're you at the game?

[Madturk]

Not to beat a dead horse, but going into the season with 3 DT's was a recipe for disaster especially considering the injury history of Warren and Kelly coming off a pretty serious injury. Then you have the big Terd who gets winded easier than Bones doing the Macarena at the local Elks Club.

I don't know what we were thinking here. I think it's time to either bring back William Joseph or maybe give Sam Adams a call. Possibly grab Dre Moore off TB's PS. Maybe when we learn that the game is won in the trenches and not the secondary, we might win a few more games.

[RaiderIVlife]

Not to beat a dead horse, but going into the season with 3 DT's was a recipe for disaster especially considering the injury history of Warren and Kelly coming off a pretty serious injury. Then you have the big Terd who gets winded easier than Bones doing the Macarena at the local Elks Club.

I don't know what we were thinking here. I think it's time to either bring back William Joseph or maybe give Sam Adams a call. Possibly grab Dre Moore off TB's PS. Maybe when we learn that the game is won in the trenches and not the secondary, we might win a few more games.

Can't disagree with any of that and oh by the way, if we draft anything other than DL & OL on the first day of the 2009 draft, I might have to go on a murderous rampage.

[Langlier]

Can't disagree with any of that and oh by the way, if we draft anything other than DL & OL on the first day of the 2009 draft, I might have to go on a murderous rampage.

i dont know about both on the first day.

as we arent horrible along the ol... and remember guys that fit our system normally arent first 2 round guys.

DL however... It's a growing concern. We definately need depth along the DL.

[Jack's sore libido]

Especially with Burgess not getting any younger.

I'd be all for drafting DT/DE in the first four rounds.

[RaiderIVlife]

Especially with Burgess not getting any younger.

I'd be all for drafting DT/DE in the first four rounds.

Fine, done deal.

[Langlier]

can't say i'd complain with 2-3 new starters on the dl next year...

get a real RE, and a real NT. Let kalimba be a true 3rd down type. Let JRich play the more natural LE position as the starter and let burgess come in on passing downs...