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007
09-12-2008, 04:22 PM
Notes from Kiff's interview with Kirwan on SIRIUS.


*Stated that Harris is injured and Henderson will start. Gamplan to help
protect him on the left side. (Miller shifting and helping more than usual)

*Impressed with KC, and likes the pressure of Arrowhead better.

* Admitted to laying an egg and a poor gameplan

* Happy with Russells play. 9/10 on second down passes

*DMC and Fargas where the lone brightspots. 5 YPC.

* Javon will play.

* Repeated this 3X "Don't let one game define us. We'll be better, and 16 teams lose each week"

* Ryan and him are fine. Different philosophies and ideas, but both guys have input daily on the team

* Sat the whole team down and stated he doesnt want to see a single personal foul

About it that I can remember.

CrossBones
09-12-2008, 04:35 PM
Notes from Kiff's interview with Kirwan on SIRIUS.


*Stated that Harris is injured and Henderson will start. Gamplan to help
protect him on the left side. (Miller shifting and helping more than usual)

*Impressed with KC, and likes the pressure of Arrowhead better.

* Admitted to laying an egg and a poor gameplan

* Happy with Russells play. 9/10 on second down passes

*DMC and Fargas where the lone brightspots. 5 YPC.

* Javon will play.

* Repeated this 3X "Don't let one game define us. We'll be better, and 16 teams lose each week"

* Ryan and him are fine. Different philosophies and ideas, but both guys have input daily on the team

* Sat the whole team down and stated he doesnt want to see a single personal foul

About it that I can remember.Thanks 007. In a way it makes me feel better although I'm easily swayed and blinded. What I saw last week was God awful make no mistake about it. But it can turn around quickly in this league. Let's hope it was just a brain fart... :rolleyes:

I am fairly impressed with JaMarcus. Nothing spectacular yet but he's steady and I like his command in the huddle and poise during a tough game. For a rookie it's actually fairly impressive. He doesn't seem to get rattled easily except on that play on the 5 yard line where he didn't know whether to shit or go blind.

I'm still waiting to see McFadden break one. He's been close a couple of times. He looks to be really exciting and God knows the Raider Nation needs to see something, anything, exciting happen. Marrowhead stadium would be a good place to start. Fuck the Chefs.

Javon Walker? Fuck that sucm bag. He better bring his A+ game Sunday. :mad:

Kiff and Ryan are fine? OK...not so sure I can sign off on that one. Personally I think they don't' like each other much. How could we ever get into a situation like that? Did by any chance Kiff mention that he and Al are 'fine"... :D

RHC
09-12-2008, 05:22 PM
* Repeated this 3X "Don't let one game define us. We'll be better, and 16 teams lose each week".Except when there are bye weeks.

SEE??? THAT PROVES HE'S AN IDIOT AND NEEDS TO GO!!!

:pound:

Just kidding. Don't go flippin' out on me, everyone.

RHC
09-12-2008, 05:25 PM
For a rookie it's actually fairly impressive. AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! !

HE'S NOT A FUCKING ROOKIE BONES!!!

I hope it's just your alzheimer's talkin' here.

007
09-12-2008, 05:27 PM
Well technically no, but...

Im just kidding.

RHC
09-12-2008, 05:36 PM
Well technically no, but...

Im just kidding.AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHH HHHHHHHHHH!!!

I can't even take the kidding.

jatfly
09-13-2008, 05:29 AM
Thanks 007 I was hoping to hear it but I had to be in a grocey store with me son and I have got the stilletto yet!!!

I am excited to see Walker,,,,personally hell I will take any help we can get........

NIPS
09-13-2008, 06:19 AM
More shotgun and quick passes

JohnQ
09-13-2008, 08:45 AM
Thanks 007. In a way it makes me feel better although I'm easily swayed and blinded. What I saw last week was God awful make no mistake about it. But it can turn around quickly in this league. Let's hope it was just a brain fart... :rolleyes:

I am fairly impressed with JaMarcus. Nothing spectacular yet but he's steady and I like his command in the huddle and poise during a tough game. For a rookie it's actually fairly impressive. He doesn't seem to get rattled easily except on that play on the 5 yard line where he didn't know whether to shit or go blind.

I'm still waiting to see McFadden break one. He's been close a couple of times. He looks to be really exciting and God knows the Raider Nation needs to see something, anything, exciting happen. Marrowhead stadium would be a good place to start. Fuck the Chefs.

Javon Walker? Fuck that sucm bag. He better bring his A+ game Sunday. :mad:

Kiff and Ryan are fine? OK...not so sure I can sign off on that one. Personally I think they don't' like each other much. How could we ever get into a situation like that? Did by any chance Kiff mention that he and Al are 'fine"... :D

I'm skeptical that things are all " fine" but will take it at face value.

I'm also skeptical as to whether we can just switch it on and play much better.
I will remain optimistic.But we will need to be much much better than we
appeared to be Monday if we are to remain even remotely competitive.

s.dot88
09-13-2008, 04:28 PM
a win sure would cure a lot of these problems this weekend, IMO

if we go out and lay another egg, then all of this mid-week fiasco will just be looked at as throwing more fuel on the fire

RaiderIVlife
09-13-2008, 04:36 PM
a win sure would cure a lot of these problems this weekend, IMO

if we go out and lay another egg, then all of this mid-week fiasco will just be looked at as throwing more fuel on the fire

Yup. A win this weekend, on the road, could certainly stop the bleeding a bit. String to together a few wins and week one becomes largely irrelavent. Don't want to get ahead of ourselves though, let's just focus on the chefs first....

CrossBones
09-13-2008, 04:49 PM
@ Chefs
@ Buffalo
San Diego
@ New Orleans
Jets

All of a sudden out "easy" schedule (according to Goofy John Clayton) doesn't look like a walk in the park. But then that's why they play the games.

First things first: Beat Kansas City tomorrow. We'll work on the Buffalo starting Monday morning. ;)

nin
09-13-2008, 06:28 PM
Poor Kiffin can't wait to get the fuck out.

RHC
09-14-2008, 12:07 AM
Poor Kiffin can't wait to get the fuck out.Well, this is his big chance. Maybe he'll take it.

I hope he mans up and does it right.

Postmaster
09-14-2008, 06:02 AM
Kiffin at end with Raiders?
By Steve Corkran
Staff writer
Article Launched: 09/13/2008 11:56:52 PM PDT


Sources indicate that Raiders coach Lane Kiffin could soon be dismissed. (Staff)


KANSAS CITY, Mo. — In a conversation about Raiders coach Lane Kiffin in mid-August, Raiders managing general partner Al Davis said, "He's not the guy I hired."

From the outset of training camp, Kiffin has fired back almost on a daily basis by reminding everyone that he lacks the autonomy to do the job he was hired to do.

The endgame is coming soon, according to several front office people who have witnessed the war of wills unfold between the 79-year-old Davis and 33-year-old Kiffin over the past nine months or so.

Those people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, say Davis is at wit's end and prepared to fire Kiffin before season's end, perhaps as soon as Monday, regardless of the outcome of today's game against the Kansas City Chiefs. He has been contemplating a course of action for many weeks.

Davis was unavailable for comment. Kiffin could not be reached for comment. However, on Wednesday, Kiffin had this to say to the Kansas City-area media:

"You have to look at the history," Kiffin said. "History is what it is, that (Davis) doesn't keep people very long. We don't have a general manager. Everything goes through (Davis). That sets up a difficult situation at times. Knowing who the owner is, you know from Day 1 there's no job security."

Davis has fired a coach during a season only once in his 46-year career with the Raiders. That came in 1989, when he jettisoned Mike Shanahan after only four games. He promoted
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Art Shell to replace Shanahan.

Davis has numerous candidates in place on his coaching staff, though it remains unclear who would be the favorite.

Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan interviewed for the vacancy in 2007. Receivers coach James Lofton has interviewed for the job at least twice. Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp canceled a scheduled interview for the vacancy in 2004 so that he could join Jim Mora's Atlanta Falcons staff. Advance scout Paul Hackett was a head coach in college. Running backs coach Tom Rathman is a Davis favorite.

Davis reached his current state even before the Raiders were humiliated by the arch rival Denver Broncos 41-14, at home, in front of a sold-out crowd and a national TV audience Monday night.

His once-rosy relationship with Kiffin deteriorated soon after the Raiders completed a 4-12 season in Kiffin's first year as an NFL coach last year.

Kiffin wanted Ryan removed. Davis balked. Kiffin, in essence, asked to be fired if he couldn't have control over player personnel and the makeup of his coaching staff. Davis, in essence, told Kiffin that he should quit if he didn't like it.

Time passed, but it didn't do much to heal the gaping wound. Kiffin went about his business as if nothing happened, content to stick around and see what transpired.

By that time, he didn't have many options within the coaching fraternity, be it the NFL or college. So, why not bide his time, get some additional experience, add another line on the resume and re-evaluate at season's end?

A rash of personnel and coaching moves by Davis further rankled Kiffin, still seething over being forced to retain Ryan.

Davis hired Lofton without Kiffin's knowledge, according to a person close to Kiffin. The Raiders contend that Kiffin was apprised of the hiring and found out long before the ink dried.

Davis also signed off on moves that included a trade for cornerback DeAngelo Hall, re-signing defensive tackle Tommy Kelly to a contract that guaranteed him $18.125 million and signing injury-prone wide receiver Javon Walker to a contract that guarantees him $11 million this season.

Kiffin's discontent grew with each development, to the point he voiced his displeasure on a regular basis.

Last week, Kiffin distanced himself from his team's defensive meltdown against the Broncos by saying Ryan and Davis conspire on the game plans. Ryan countered by saying he is in sole control of the defense and that Kiffin has input.

Kiffin also decried the lack of talent at his disposal, as well as Davis' failure to make enough roster moves during training camp so that Kiffin could foster the kind of competitive atmosphere he desired and field enough healthy bodies to accomplish the things he viewed as critical during practices.

This conceivably was done so that he had a built-in excuse if things went awry this season and would be labeled a brilliant coach if he fashioned a successful season without doing things his way.

Now, it appears as if there's no turning back. Those people in the front office say Kiffin has alienated himself from everyone who doesn't run, pass or block. His lone known ally is director of football development Mark Jackson.

Jackson came to the Raiders at Kiffin's insistence. They formed a relationship during their several years together at Southern Cal. He, too, has fallen from favor with Davis in recent months and has been stripped of his power.

Former Raiders coach Jon Gruden faced a similar crucible when he brought the Raiders to Arrowhead Stadium for the 1999 regular-season finale. The Raiders upset the Chiefs that day. In the process, they kept the Chiefs from making the playoffs and saved Gruden's job.

At this point, not even a convincing victory today is apt to help Kiffin. At best, it might buy him a couple of more weeks, those people in the front office said.

No one questions Kiffin's work ethic or his football acumen. In the end, his great undoing might be that he engaged Davis in a battle waged by many of his predecessors, with one stark difference: Kiffin overstepped his bounds and went public.

Of course, no one saw this coming the day Davis hired Kiffin. Then again, when Davis inadvertently misspoke during Kiffin's introductory news conference by saying, "I'm here to talk about Lance," perhaps, even then, Davis subconsciously realized he hired the wrong guy.

Blackened
09-14-2008, 08:08 AM
Yeah time to let Kiff go. No point in dragging this mess on further. Get the ass kisser in the headset already Al. My only hope would be to drag Bill Cower into this but that's a pipe dream.

Limee
09-14-2008, 08:50 AM
I concur. If Davis is going to fire Kiffin, and that looks more than likely, then delaying the decision is just causing further problems. I am sick of this whole mess and nobody is coming out of this free of blame.

Madturk
09-14-2008, 09:01 AM
What a fucking mess. Al should have just fired him during the offseason rather than dragging this thing out if that was his intention. What did he expect Kiff to do anyway? Instead he tortured Kiff like a kid pulling apart an insect. Just a complete clusterfuck. Don't blame Kiff, Ryan, whomever. Ultimately it all starts with the guy upstairs. The sooner he takes his drool towel and steps down, the sooner we can get back to respectability.

Raidermania12
09-15-2008, 05:43 AM
I'll take a mess if we have a good coach in it. Even with all thats going on we can still win games as long as Ryan holds up his end on defense. The reality is that Kiffin does have control over the offense and the offensive staff. His complaint is about what he doesnt. It may turn into an offense vs defense feud, but if that inspires our defense to kick ass like it did against kc i'm all for it.