***Official Draft Day Thread*** (Day 1)

[CrossBones]

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Won't be long now (no pun intended)... :D

[massraider]

Rick Gosselin's mock draft:


1. Miami OT, OLB, WR, QB Jake Long, OT,
Michigan
Comment: Long was a four-year starter at Michigan. With a new five-year contract from the Dolphins, expect him to extend his starting streak to nine consecutive years. Look for him to mix in a few Pro Bowl appearances.

2. St. Louis OT, DT, CB, WR Chris Long, DE,
Virginia
Comment: The Rams covet Long and the Falcons covet Glenn Dorsey, but on most draft boards the order is flipped. Don't be surprised if the Falcons trade up one spot for the right to select Dorsey. That would solve a problem for both teams.

3. Atlanta MLB, QB, OT, DT Glenn Dorsey, DT,
LSU
Comment: If the Falcons don't come away with Dorsey, they will explore trading down. New coach Mike Smith has a defensive background and saw what dominant defensive tackles did for his old team, the Jacksonville Jaguars.

4. Oakland OL, DL, offensive speed Darren McFadden, HB,
Arkansas
Comment: Al Davis is a size/speed advocate. McFadden fills the bill. The Raiders also would entertain a pass rusher, Chris Long, if he falls, and Vernon Gholston. In the end, the Raiders take the best value on the board.

5. Kansas City DE, OT, CB, KR Chris Williams, OT,
Vanderbilt
Comment: The Chiefs have two glaring needs – offensive tackle and defensive end with the departure of Pro Bowl pass rusher Jared Allen. If they wait on the offensive tackle, they miss out. Six could go in the first round.

6. NY Jets CB, OT, DE, QB Vernon Gholston, DE,
Ohio State
Comment: The Jets managed only 29 sacks last season. They need to tackle more quarterbacks and force more turnovers to again become a contender in the AFC East. Gholston is the best pass rusher in this draft with 14 sacks in 2007.

7. New England DL, LB, CB, OT Sedrick Ellis, DT,
Southern California
Comment: Ellis doesn't fit the 3-4 defensive scheme of the Patriots, but his arrival would give them the option of playing some 4-3. He's the best defensive player on the board, and coach Bill Belichick rarely passes up value.

8. Baltimore QB, CB, OT, WR Matt Ryan, QB,
Boston College
Comment: If Ryan doesn't slide to the Ravens at No. 8, they will explore trading out. With the retirement of Steve McNair, quarterback shot to the top of the list of priorities. Ryan posted a 25-7 record at Boston College.

9. Cincinnati DT, WR, RB, DE Derrick Harvey, DE,
Florida
Comment: When you rank 27th in the NFL in defense, just about any defender you draft is an instant upgrade. The Bengals have an opening at end with the departure of Justin Smith in free agency. Harvey is a definite upgrade.
Comment:

10. New Orleans DT, CB, LB, TE Leodis McKelvin, CB,
Troy
Comment: If the Saints fail to trade up for Ellis, they will look to upgrade themselves at cornerback. McKelvin is the most physical of the corners and also the best kick returner in the draft.

11. Buffalo WR, CB, LB, TE Devin Thomas, WR,
Michigan State
Comment: The NFL's 30th-ranked passing attack needs to get bigger, stronger, tougher, more talented and more productive on the flank. Thomas is the most physical receiver in this draft, not to mention the most talented.

12. Denver OT, DE, RB, KR Ryan Clady, OT,
Boise State
Comment: Mike Shanahan has always been able to help average backs flourish because he fielded one of the NFL's best offensive lines. But his current offensive front doesn't push anyone around. Enter the 6-6 Clady.

13. Carolina DE, OT, TE, RB Jeff Otah, OT,
Pittsburgh
Comment: Watching the New York Giants win a Super Bowl reminded Panthers coach (and former Giants assistant) John Fox what it takes to win in the NFL. Dominate both sides of the ball. Otah is the best run blocker in this draft.

14. Chicago OT, WR, RB, TE Branden Albert, OL,
Virginia
Comment: The Bears played power football on the way to the Super Bowl in 2006. But there was a power shortage in 2007 when the Bears finished 30th in the NFL in rushing. Better blocking will make Cedric Benson a better runner.

15. Detroit Defense, RB, OT Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB,
Tennessee State
Comment: Like the Bengals, anyone the Lions draft on the defensive side of the ball would be an upgrade. Rodgers-Cromartie is the most athletic corner on the board blending size (6-1), speed (4.33) and play-making ability.

16. Arizona RB, CB, LB Mike Jenkins, CB,
South Florida
Comment: The Cardinals need to tighten up the NFL's 28th-ranked pass defense. Jenkins is the most ready to play of the three elite cornerbacks in this draft. If you can't play pass defense in the NFC West, you cannot succeed.

17. Kansas City DE, OT, CB, KR Keith Rivers, LB,
Southern California
Comment: The Chiefs want a defensive end, but Rivers is just too good a value to pass up here. He's the slider and would give them a superb set of bookends at linebacker along with Derrick Johnson.

18. Houston OT, CB, Pass rusher Rashard Mendenhall, HB,
Illinois
Comment: Houston is desperate for an offensive left tackle, but the draft board drains five of them before the Texans can go on the clock. Like Rivers, Mendenhall is just too good a value to pass up here.

19. Philadelphia OT, DL, CB Aqib Talib, CB,
Kansas
Comment: With big receivers Plaxico Burress and Terrell Owens dominating in the NFC East, the Eagles need a big cornerback to combat them. Talib is that guy in this draft at 6-0½, 202 pounds.

20. Tampa Bay Offensive speed, CB, DT Jonathan Stewart, HB,
Oregon
Comment: Had Stewart not undergone toe surgery in March, he likely would have been a top 10 pick. He averaged 6.2 yards per carry in 2007 and would ease the burden on quarterback Jeff Garcia to make all the plays that win games.

21. Washington DE, DT, OL, WR Phillip Merling, DE,
Clemson
Comment: When you have a 35-year-old starting defensive end, you need to start looking for his replacement. North Carolina defensive tackle Kentwan Balmer also is a consideration here, but the need is at end, not tackle.

22. Dallas RB, WR, CB, OL Felix Jones, HB,
Arkansas
Comment: Jones can be the type of speed complement to Marion Barber that Julius Jones was these last few years. Felix Jones led the NCAA with an average of 8.7 yards per carry and also averaged 29 yards on kickoff returns.

23. Pittsburgh OT, CB, WR, RB Jerod Mayo, LB,
Tennessee
Comment: The Steelers have 10 starters back from the NFL's top-ranked defense. Linebacker Clark Haggans departed in free agency. This pick marries ability with need – Mayo can be a walk-in starter for the Steelers.

24. Tennessee RB, WR, G, TE James Hardy, WR,
Indiana
Comment: The Titans are desperate for play-makers to lighten the offensive load of quarterback Vince Young. At 6-5, Hardy can provide Young a huge target, so his inaccuracies as a passer won't be as glaring.

25. Seattle OL, DL, CB, WR Chad Henne, QB,
Michigan
Comment: If you don't see any immediate help on the draft board, select someone who can brighten your future. The Seahawks have no glaring holes. But Matt Hasselbeck is 33 this season. Henne gives them security at quarterback.

26. Jacksonville DT, DE, CB, LB Quentin Groves, DE,
Auburn
Comment: The Jaguars took a couple hits up front, losing end Bobby McCray in free agency and trading tackle Marcus Stroud. On a draft board with so little speed, Groves stands out as a blazer with his 4.57 40 clocking.

27. San Diego OT, RB, CB, DL Gosder Cherilus, OT,
Boston College
Comment: The Chargers have only two offensive tackles currently on the roster. Like left tackle Marcus McNeill, Cherilus could become a walk-in starter at San Diego. He started 51 consecutive games at Boston College.

28. Dallas RB, WR, CB, OL Brandon Flowers, CB,
Virginia Tech
Comment: Flowers is the most technically sound of the five top cornerbacks in this draft. But he's also the smallest (5-9½) and slowest (4.59 speed in the 40). He broke up 18 passes in 2006 and 14 more in 2007.

29. San Francisco WR, OL, DL, QB Kentwan Balmer, DT,
North Carolina
Comment: Like Rivers to Kansas Cty at 17, Balmer is a case of sliding value. Coach Mike Nolan's background is on defense, but the 49ers have struggled on that side of the ball. You can never have enough quality defensive linemen.

30. Green Bay CB, Pass rusher, TE, OT Dustin Keller, TE,
Purdue
Comment: The Packers must do everything in their power to give Aaron Rodgers a chance to succeed at quarterback. You do that by upgrading the supporting cast. Keller is the best pass-catching tight end in this draft.

31. NY Giants OT, WR, CB, Safety Tyrell Johnson, S,
Arkansas State
Comment: The Giants lost starting safety Gibril Wilson in free agency to the Raiders. Johnson is the fastest (4.43 speed) of the three elite safeties in this draft and the best ballhawk with 13 career interceptions.

[massraider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

Start the morning with a smile.

[massraider]

ESPN heads sounding as if Ryan is the guy for STL.

[massraider]

Shefter just said Chris Long to Rams and Matt Ryan to Falcons.

[massraider]

If that happens, we are talking to Nawlins, I think.

[RZ]

If that happens, we are talking to Nawlins, I think.

If that happens, I would be more than happy to take Dorsey.

[massraider]

If that happens, I would be more than happy to take Dorsey.

Me, too.

But it wouldn't surprise me if they move down. I think if Dorsey gets to #4, the offers may be legit.

[RZ]

Me, too.

But it wouldn't surprise me if they move down. I think if Dorsey gets to #4, the offers may be legit.

oh, no doubt... I'm watching NFLN right now and thats all they are talking about lol but ya, Oakland might get some decent offers if he drops into the 4 spot.

[Jack's sore libido]

The way the Raiders have talked about Kelly, Sands and Warren, I am more and more doubting that they take Dorsey.

If it goes Long-Long-Ryan, I would be more than happy dropping down to 10, as long as the Raiders can get Keith Rivers with that pick.

[007]

Me too.

Rivers/HArvey/Ellis at 10 and we're off and rolling.

[massraider]

Me too.

Rivers/HArvey/Ellis at 10 and we're off and rolling.

Wow, a LB would shock the hell out of me.

[Limee]

I don't see us drafting a LB in the first. If we trade down then the Harvey or Ellis would be my choice.

Bones, do the Raiders ever trade down in the first? :D

[massraider]

I don't see us drafting a LB in the first. If we trade down then the Harvey or Ellis would be my choice.

Bones, do the Raiders ever trade down in the first? :D

I hope you paid attention to your Lil Al entry, Limee. I put 50 bucks on ya.

[Limee]

I did put more time into this year, but that's not necessarily a good thing. I had about 6 different versions before I went to a final version, 2 more final versions later and I was set.

[massraider]

Schefter says Ryan is the guy in ATL.

We are staring at Dorsey.

Anyone want DMC over him?

[007]

I like the trade down scenario they are throwing out.

2-3-5 rounder with the #10 pick, and Dorsey's yours. If not, you take DMC or Dorsey.

[RZ]

Anyone just hear that Levi Jones is now demanding a trade and wants out of Cincy?

[Limee]

Just take Dorsey.

If we trade down then I really hope we use one of the picks on Red Bryant.

[CrossBones]

Bones, do the Raiders ever trade down in the first? :DI'll go look it up. :cool:

[Jack's sore libido]

Michael Smith, quoting team sources, says the Raiders are expected to take Darren McFadden.

I'm not convinced this is anything more than the Raiders making the Jets sweat and forcing his hand.

If they can trade down to 6, they're still guaranteed to get either Gholston or Dorsey.

[hawaiianboy]

What happens if the Rams take C Long at 2 and then the Jets trade up to 3 for McFadden?...

I hope to Crom we don't take Gholston over Dorsey... At the very least we should be able to bend the Saints over in a trade considering how much they are salivating over Dorsey...

Jamal Brown and their '09 1st baby!

[Jack's sore libido]

If the Raiders aren't planning on taking Dorsey (and that is becoming more and more clear to me), then a trade down is about the only thing I will be really happy with.

[007]

Long is officially a Ram, they are saying.

He's been phoned, decision made, they are talking about how he fits in St.Louis.

The DREAM last 364 days guys...Shot down with 3 hours left.

[Jack's sore libido]

I don't think the Falcons would risk losing Matt Ryan by dropping below the Chiefs.

[massraider]

If the Raiders aren't planning on taking Dorsey (and that is becoming more and more clear to me), then a trade down is about the only thing I will be really happy with.

Me 2. McFadden? Oof.

[Limee]

If Ryan goes 3 then Stanny is right that losing the coin toss was actually a good thing.

[hawaiianboy]

If Ryan goes 3 then Stanny is right that losing the coin toss was actually a good thing.

Well the coin toss may have cost us Chris Long if the PFT reports of us trying to trade up to the 2 hole is correct... No way the Rams wanted to be in a spot where they might not get either Long or Dorsey...

[Limee]

I am trying to stay positive here in the face of us letting Dorsey fall right into the Chiefs' laps.

[007]

As the draft nears, and I hear Casserly, Kirwan, Brandt, Kiper, McShay, etc. say McFadden is the most talented player in the draft, and a definite need for the Raiders, I warm up to it.

If you would have told me In December of 2006 that we'd be heading into the 2008-2009 season with JaMarcus Russell and Darren McFadden, I would have laughed.

That's something I did in Madden football games as a joke, not in real life. Thats just sick thinking of what they could do together.

[JohnQ]

It makes sense that IF both Longs are gone and we don't want to take McFadden we could conceiveably trade down to someone who does want him.Still get Vern.

It makes sense and that's what the talking heads are saying.But Al Davis doesn't eerrrrrrrr... rarely makes sense.So :banghead: who knows if Al really
can't help his never ending HO for speed.

I also seem to remember someone saying that they didn't know if the Raiders
ever trade down ?:koolaid:

[RZ]

WOW... hold the clock!

The Ravens are making a move to get the #2 pick to take Matt Ryan!

[Limee]

Interesting. Source?

[hawaiianboy]

I am trying to stay positive here in the face of us letting Dorsey fall right into the Chiefs' laps.


I know, friggin Atlanta... though if Dorsey fell to me and I was a Chief fan, I'd be even more pissed that we traded Jared Allen... Those two playing side by side?... Shades of Sapp and Rice in their prime...

[RZ]

Interesting. Source?

NFL Network...... think it was Adam Rumor Monger

[Limee]

Cool, we don't get coverage until the draft starts.

[hawaiianboy]

Here's a write up on it from PFT:

RAVENS TRYING TO GET TO NO. 2
Posted by Mike Florio on April 26, 2008, 1:41 p.m.

You know those reports about what will happen at No. 2, No. 3, and No. 4? Throw them out the window.

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Ravens are actively trying to swing a trade to get to the No. 2 spot, which would put them in front of the Falcons, and allow them to pick Ryan.

And this could prompt the Falcons the try to trade up to No. 2 as well, to prevent the Ravens from doing the deal.

The Rams might prefer the latter option, since it would allow them to still get Chris Long, but at a lower salary slot and with an extra pick or two therafter in two.

As a result, we wonder whether the Rams are the ones pushing the trade talk with Baltimore, in the hopes that they’ll scare the Falcons into moving up.

[Limee]

So Rams swap with Falcons we would be back in your scenario of us swapping picks with them to get Long, they get Dorsey and the Chiefs get screwed.

I love draft day.

[007]

If Matt Ryan goes 2 and Long goes 3, we're still taking McFadden.

If Long is there, we're probably still taking McFadden.

Not what people want to hear, but its the most likely scenario, IMO.

[hawaiianboy]

If Long is there, we're probably still taking McFadden.




If we tried trading up to 2 as being reported by Jason Jones (http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/), it would have to be to get Long wouldn't it?.... I think we'd take Long if he fell to four...

[massraider]

Saints/Raiders talking trade.

[massraider]

I think it just moved.


On 2nd pot of coffee.

Updates coming.

[RZ]

Saints/Raiders talking trade.

just watched that .... not much as far as details, but they did confirm that they are indeed talking.

[hawaiianboy]

Terrell Suggs may be involved in that rumored Ravens-Rams deal, per us non having NFLN fools with ESPN via Mort...

[massraider]

Terrell Suggs may be involved in that rumored Ravens-Rams deal, per us non having NFLN fools with ESPN via Mort...

Wow.

If the Ravens snake Ryan, Falcons take Dorsey, do we still make a move, or just take Long?

If we pass on Chris for DMC, I am gonna make Crow and Bill look like the Olsen twins on ecstasy.


:tantrum:

[RZ]

Wow.

If the Ravens snake Ryan, Falcons take Dorsey, do we still make a move, or just take Long?

If we pass on Chris for DMC, I am gonna make Crow and Bill look like the Olsen twins on ecstasy.


:tantrum:

Ya, I would suspect that there would be quite the uproar if something like that happened..

[CrossBones]

http://www.gifmania.co.uk/Felix/ani_012.gif

[RZ]

Lombardi just said that they have not traded down in 9 years...

[CrossBones]

Lombardi just said that they have not traded down in 9 years...Traded down in the first round?...can somebody show me that trade? I think Lombardi is mistaken but if not what was the trade down in the first round?

[007]

If we tried trading up to 2 as being reported by Jason Jones (http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/), it would have to be to get Long wouldn't it?.... I think we'd take Long if he fell to four...

I think Al is sporting major wood for DMC.

Lombardi also said that the Raiders have never traded out of an early pick in the 9 years he was there, and if we were to do it, it would be for Devin Thomas...

What's your flavor?

If Im at four and those are the options Davis is giving us in the war room, I take DMC in about 3 seconds.

[massraider]

Nah, he said he was there 9 years, and they never traded down.

[alteredst8]

OK, So if we do take DMC what does out team do with the remaining RB's on our roster? I assume we cut LJ, think that was going to happen anyways. What will we do with the other two we have? DO we try and get some value for Fargas, or Rhodes? If we entertain trade offers what value do they have?

Rhodes could maybe net our team what a 5th, I would say that Huggy may be worth a 5th or a 6th at best. I can't see our team having 4 running backs on our roster atleast not those 4. I can live w/ the whole Bush and DMC tandem deal if it comes down to it, not what I wanted to see for the Raiders but to say your team has 2 of the 4 best back in college football from the last three years is not a bad scenario.

Man I am still rooting for Long or Dorsey...

[massraider]

I think Al is sporting major wood for DMC.

Lombardi also said that the Raiders have never traded out of an early pick in the 9 years he was there, and if we were to do it, it would be for Devin Thomas...

What's your flavor?

If Im at four and those are the options Davis is giving us in the war room, I take DMC in about 3 seconds.

If I am AL?

1. Dorsey.
2. Trade down with Saints. Take Harvey/Williams/Clady or Mendenhall, pick up 2nd round pick.

3. Trade DMC's skinny ass to the Jets, take Sed Ellis.

[007]

Nah, he said he was there 9 years, and they never traded down.

Did you like my quick ninja edit?

Haha.

[007]

If I am AL?

1. Dorsey.
2. Trade down with Saints. Take Harvey/Williams/Clady or Mendenhall, pick up 2nd round pick.

3. Trade DMC's skinny ass to the Jets, take Sed Ellis.

You're not Al though.

Do you really think Al is even considering Dorsey?

18 mil to Kelly, 5 mil to Warren, 4 mil to Sands, and I fully assume he's content with those three in the middle.

I could see Long if he's there, but at this point, I think its signed, sealed and delivered.

And Im fine with it. Every expert not named Mike Mayock is saying its a solid move, and even Mikey has cooled off on his McFadden bashing lately.

[Limee]

I think trading Fargas after how much work he has put in sends the wrong message.

[massraider]

Here's what I don't get:

We have Bush and Fargas, but everyone expects DMC.

We have Tommy Kelly, why isn't everyone screaming for Dorsey? Put him next to Kelly.

Rb isn't a need, and AL has never shown love for the position.

[Ghost Poster]

Had to come out of my cave today. I'm not going to speculate just hurry up and wait. And I will officially hate the rams when they take son of Howie.

[CrossBones]

:woot: :woot: :woot:

[hawaiianboy]

Count yourselves lucky NFL Network people... because the Berman/Steve Young duo is brutal...

[Crow]

Here's what I don't get:

We have Bush and Fargas, but everyone expects DMC.

We have Tommy Kelly, why isn't everyone screaming for Dorsey? Put him next to Kelly.

Rb isn't a need, and AL has never shown love for the position.

They say the contracts of Kelly, Terd, and Warren make it a bad idea to take Dorsey.

*blinks*

[london raider 2]

Everyone getting ready to say bollox

[london raider 2]

Bollox !!!

[hawaiianboy]

There goes the Chris Long picks on the Lil Al entries, assuming there were some of course...

[Limee]

I concur. Bollocks indeed.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

damn it.Sadly it looks like McFadden will be our pick.

[Crow]

The Rams just got a lot better.
Everyone getting ready to say bollox
You know I am.

[CrossBones]

Lotta Lil Al's just bit the dust. :D

[hawaiianboy]

Lotta Lil Al's just bit the dust. :D

We'll have to take your word for that I guess...

[Crow]

Mongerer says it's Ryan here./

So help me, if Al passes on this beast of a DT...jesus.

[TommyGirl]

Dorsey was too much for me to hope for. Now watch Al pass him up.

[london raider 2]

dorsey/gholston/dmac or trade - please trade down & rip off jets

[TommyGirl]

We'll have to take your word for that I guess...
Yeah. Where the hell are everybody's picks?

[007]

Yeah he aint gonna be a Raider.

It's McFadden.

Not saying I agree with it, but I think its done.

[Crow]

Lotta Lil Al's just bit the dust. :D
Any chance the Lil Al forum can be made public now?

[Limee]

Dorsey please.

[london raider 2]

or saints for dorsey

[TommyGirl]

I wouldn't be sad if they trade down and still get Gholston.

[Crow]

Al, god damn it. For once, do something right. We can get a RB anywhere. We won't see a chance to add a DT like this again in my lifetime.

[CrossBones]

Al, god damn it. For once, do something right. We can get a RB anywhere. We won't see a chance to add a DT like this again in my lifetime.Settle down.

This is going to end badly for you I'm afraid. :o

[raiderfreak7]

And there's the fucking commercial......

Just say no to Gholston! Dorsey or McFadden will be fine.

[Ghost Poster]

Al, god damn it. For once, do something right. We can get a RB anywhere. We won't see a chance to add a DT like this again in my lifetime.


You have the razors ready?

[R4Life]

Voted from McFaddon but want Dorsey...

[london raider 2]

the jets & saints must be on the phone - rip one of them off

[Jack's sore libido]

I would just like to point out, for those people who don't think the media hates the Raiders, that in the first three picks there was NOTHING unpredictable, and we sat there and listened to the announcers drone on about picks that everyone knew ahead of time.

And as soon as the Raiders are on the clock and this thing could actually get interesting, we go to commercial.

[R4Life]

J E T S - Jets Jets Jets!

[Jack's sore libido]

I am sad.

[Limee]

Bones is on the phone at the raiders table.

[Ghost Poster]

Jesus are crew looks like 60 mintues.

[TommyGirl]

Please, Dorsey or a trade down for Gholston.

[Jack's sore libido]

Let's just remember here ...

Even if the Raiders take McFadden, doesn't mean they will keep him.

They might just pull an Eli and pick him, then use the next 20 minutes to work a deal with the Jets for their 6th pick.

[london raider 2]

Razors ready Crow?

[TommyGirl]

I'm sick to my stomach.

[Ghost Poster]

fuck! fuck! fuck!

[Crow]

Good luck, guys. I'm done.

[london raider 2]

Another loosing season coming up

[007]

Run to daylight DMC!!

Welcome aboard!

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

this sucks...

[TommyGirl]

They did not seriously compare him to Tomlinson.

[Ghost Poster]

"Skinny legged guys win championships." Al Davis

[007]

Lol.

Good stuff in here.

He's a Raider now, and Im fine with it.

[Ghost Poster]

What do we have three picks left?

[Limee]

Poor selection of "highlights" for McFadden.

[london raider 2]

So Dmac can run- Unfortunately so will LT/Johnson & however Denver have run on this shit Dline

Kiffen obviously has no control

[Ghost Poster]

Good luck, guys. I'm done.


You'll be back. :p

[Jack's sore libido]

Well, this blows.

Not only do we take a player at a position of strength on the team, and at a position of strength IN THIS DRAFT, but we're letting the fucking Chiefs take Glenn Dorsey.

[hawaiianboy]

Guesses at how Al butchers DMAC's name tomorrow?...

I got Marcus McFadden....

[massraider]

Yeah, who needs Dorsey, or the Saints two #1's and a #2?

I'll take the skinny guy with a crackhead momma and two gangbanger brothers.

Fuck me.

[massraider]

Well, this blows.

Not only do we take a player at a position of strength on the team, and at a position of strength IN THIS DRAFT, but we're letting the fucking Chiefs take Glenn Dorsey.

Yep.

Worst draft ever.

[Ghost Poster]

Fuck this just got worse Dorsey to KC.

[TommyGirl]

:( I'm very disappointed. The only thing worse that could've happened is them passing on Long for McFadden and the Chiefs taking him. Sheesh.

[007]

Im picturing Crow on life support at the moment...

Gotta love the draft.

[Limee]

Bloody perfect, we get to face Dorsey twice a year.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Tank Tyler and Glenn Dorsey on the same DLine.Thats nasty.

[Jack's sore libido]

Guesses at how Al butchers DMAC's name tomorrow?...

I got Marcus McFadden....

Darrell McCrackhead

[london raider 2]

Im picturing Crow on life support at the moment...

Gotta love the draft.

You will love the draft next year when we pick in top 5 again

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Not to mention they could end up drafting someone like Harvey.

[CrossBones]

You will love the draft next year when we pick in top 5 againI'd say that is a very good possibility.

[007]

Darnell McFadden. I think thats a safe bet.

[Ghost Poster]

Wow I thought we would trade down, and load up on picks at the least.

[007]

You will love the draft next year when we pick in top 5 again

I find it funny that people cry over the picks.

Sure Im dissapointed, but we have no control man.

In the end, you're just a fan and I'll be cheering McFadden on Sundays.

[CrossBones]

Bernard Allen?

[Limee]

Could have had two 1sts and a 2nd from Saints.

[Jack's sore libido]

If I'm Justin Fargas or Michael Bush, or Dom Rhodes, I'm a little pissed off right now.

Fargas: I put in my time with this team, paid my dues, finally proved myself, and this is what I get?

Rhodes: I took a pay cut to stay with this team, and this is what I get?

Bush: You're not even going to give me a CHANCE?

[raiderfreak7]

Dorsey better produce for them. Shefter reported that the Saints offered their first this year, first next year, and a 2nd rounder this year for him. F*ck, I wouldn't have been upset about that....

[Jack's sore libido]

Could have had two 1sts and a 2nd from Saints.

Do we KNOW that?

That would really piss me off if it's true.

[massraider]

Dorsey better produce for them. Shefter reported that the Saints offered their first this year, first next year, and a 2nd rounder this year for him. F*ck, I wouldn't have been upset about that....

No, you know who better produce?


Tommy Fucking Kelly, cause he's the reason Dorsey is in KC.

[massraider]

With a choice which appeared to be made without a pre-pick phone call, the Raiders took Arkansas running back Darren McFadden with the fourth overall pick in the draft.

The Raiders at present have no more picks until Sunday.

I’ll check back later after Lane Kiffin’s press conference, at which point it should be known whether the Raiders are entertaining the possibility of dealing McFadden to what could be one of several suitors . .



http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Well at least us taking McFadden allows us to watch the Jets make another lousy pick.

[raiderfreak7]

No, you know who better produce?


Tommy Fucking Kelly, cause he's the reason Dorsey is in KC.

That's also true. To many 'if's for me to get upset right now.

[CrossBones]

Lil Al picks are public...

Hit it here (http://www.blackreign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3490)....

[Raiders_Rock]

I hate the McFadden pick.

Sure the guy's talented, but we don't need another fucking running back. Our D was horrible last season and with Sapp retiring we have some glaring holes to fill on the line.

And we pick another running back. After we were 6th in the league in rushing last season.

McFadden can't break free from arm tackles. Imagine what Merriman and Robertson are gonna do to this kid.

Fucking Al Davis...

[Jack's sore libido]

It's still possible that the Raiders trade him to the Cowboys.

Remember, there is less time between picks, so if they didn't have details worked out within that 10-minute frame, they can use the next few hours to work something out.

At least, that's what I keep telling myself.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Im just glad we didnt end up with Al picking McFadden over Chris Long.

[Limee]

Bloody Pats trade down and pick up extra picks yet again.

[massraider]

Im just glad we didnt end up with Al picking McFadden over Chris Long.

Good point.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

It's still possible that the Raiders trade him to the Cowboys.

Remember, there is less time between picks, so if they didn't have details worked out within that 10-minute frame, they can use the next few hours to work something out.

At least, that's what I keep telling myself.
it would be wise to wait and see whos there when the Boys pick before trading.

also a good pick by the Saints.

[Jack's sore libido]

Bloody Pats trade down and pick up extra picks yet again.

I was just telling a friend, it really irks me to see a team like the Patriots work it so logically, while the Raiders so stubbornly cling to their pick.

[Jack's sore libido]

it would be wise to wait and see whos there when the Boys pick before trading.

True enough.

[hawaiianboy]

Wow, the Jags moved way up...

[Limee]

I was just telling a friend, it really irks me to see a team like the Patriots work it so logically, while the Raiders so stubbornly cling to their pick.

Harder to do when you have a win now attitude and will not trade unless you think you are completely ripping off the other team.

[hawaiianboy]

it would be wise to wait and see whos there when the Boys pick before trading.


Shades of the Steve Wisnewski trade back in the day...

[Limee]

If we had traded with Saints, looks like the DLine talent would have been gone.

[Jack's sore libido]

Big deal. At least we'd have some picks. And whoever we'd pick 10th would be as valuable TO US as McFadden is.

Heck, we could take Clady here.

[Limee]

Yep. I can't now see us waiting until the 4th to make our next pick so do we trade young talent or yet more picks from next year?

[hawaiianboy]

The Ravens got two 3rds and a 4th to trade down.... They'll still get their QB...

Is anybody better on draft day than Ozzie Newsome?...

[Jack's sore libido]

I dunno ... they're letting the Bucs and Bears pick before them. Either of those two teams could take a QB.

I don't think they will, but there is some risk involved, and I'm not sure 2 third and a fourth is that great a price for that high move up.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

We need to trade both Fabs and Routt to hopefully move back into day one.

[hawaiianboy]

Mayo will be an All Pro before long in that Pats scheme... Bad ass dude...

[007]

This draft has been pretty predictable, other than the Jax trade.

Goes to show you that Alberts and Clady we're slightly overrated, Devin Thomas isnt a top 11 pick, and Derrick Harvey is as good as I said. ;)

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

watching those highlights of him tackling McFadden wasnt fun.

[massraider]

Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said Arkansas running back Darren McFadden was the man he was hoping for all along, and that the club even discussed scenarios in which they would move up from No. 4 if they were afraid someone else was poised to select him.

McFadden was informed in a conversation with Kiffin Saturday morning he would be the pick if available _ hence the absence of a phone call in the moments before the draft. The Raiders coach said McFadden was not drafted on behalf of someone else and would not be traded for additional seelctions.

Kiffin said McFadden gives the Raiders an explosive presence in both the running and receiving game, and that there wasn’t much thought given to selecting defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey because the club has already committed to Tommy Kelly at the three technique.

“Glenn will be a great three technique player and it wouldn’t make much sense to take him and play him at nose tackle,” Kiffin said.

Kiffin said most of the pre-pick inquiries had to do with teams wanting to go up to get Dorsey, rather than McFadden, but Oakland wasn’t willing to let McFadden slip away.

He did say he wished Dorsey would have slipped even further, with the Chiefs pouncing on the LSU defensive tackle with the next pick.

Regarding McFadden’s supposed character issues _ he has had a couple of nightclub incidents which haven’t am

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

what happens if the Chiefs get Albert or Clady?

[Jack's sore libido]

I guess either:

A) Kiffin is full of shit

B) Kiffin's comments about McFadden earlier this month were a smokescreen

[Jack's sore libido]

Was there any more predictable pick than Clady to the Broncos?

[007]

Jake Long to Miami was pretty predictable.

;)

[hawaiianboy]

I guess either:

A) Kiffin is full of shit

B) Kiffin's comments about McFadden earlier this month were a smokescreen


Well if it means anything, the two guys Kiffin specifically mentioned at the end of the season was the tackle from Michigan and the RB from Arkansas...

[007]

I'll officially be upset if the Chiefs get my favorite player in the draft, Branden Albert....What a first round.

[massraider]

And the Panthers render DeAngelo useless on my dynasty team.

I am waiting for the roof of my house to cave in.

[CrossBones]

Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said Arkansas running back Darren McFadden was the man he was hoping for all along, and that the club even discussed scenarios in which they would move up from No. 4 if they were afraid someone else was poised to select him.

McFadden was informed in a conversation with Kiffin Saturday morning he would be the pick if available _ hence the absence of a phone call in the moments before the draft. The Raiders coach said McFadden was not drafted on behalf of someone else and would not be traded for additional seelctions.

Kiffin said McFadden gives the Raiders an explosive presence in both the running and receiving game, and that there wasn’t much thought given to selecting defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey because the club has already committed to Tommy Kelly at the three technique.

“Glenn will be a great three technique player and it wouldn’t make much sense to take him and play him at nose tackle,” Kiffin said.

Kiffin said most of the pre-pick inquiries had to do with teams wanting to go up to get Dorsey, rather than McFadden, but Oakland wasn’t willing to let McFadden slip away.

He did say he wished Dorsey would have slipped even further, with the Chiefs pouncing on the LSU defensive tackle with the next pick.

Regarding McFadden’s supposed character issues _ he has had a couple of nightclub incidents which haven’t amThanks for posting that. Makes me feel good. At least "I hope so". :D

I guess either:

A) Kiffin is full of shitSame thing happened last year. Kiffin is a good dancer.

B) Kiffin's comments about McFadden earlier this month were a smokescreenNo they were bullshit. I fully expect Kiffin to take a stab at Dancing with the Stars next season.

[Raiders_Rock]

Well, Kiffin did say earlier that we didn't need a running back, which is true.

Obviously he's just bullshitting today.

[007]

Mayock is killing his mock.
Something like 11-13 or someshit.

How do you call Chris Williams to Chicago?

[hawaiianboy]

The ESPN coverage blows....

[massraider]

The ESPN coverage blows....

Don't you have any friends with a dish?:shakehead:

[raiderfreak7]

“Glenn will be a great three technique player and it wouldn’t make much sense to take him and play him at nose tackle,” Kiffin said.


So the 295-lb Dorsey is going to play nose? You gotta be fucking with me.

Common sense rules!

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Chiefs get Dorsey and Albert.
Our pick sucked the Deangelo Hall trade sucked and the Chiefs are having a damn good draft.

[raiderfreak7]

The ESPN coverage blows....

NFL.com is showing NFLN's coverage. It's only like 20 seconds behind for me, but its worth it to listen to Mayock break down the players.

[007]

Wow.

Dorsey-Albert in round one for the Chiefs...

Im gonna puke.

[london raider 2]

What an awful draft for the chiefs:mad:

[raiderfreak7]

Well, Kiffin did say earlier that we didn't need a running back, which is true.

Obviously he's just bullshitting today.

I've posted this before but...

He also said that Gholston is a better fit in the 3-4 and Dorsey wasn't a fit for us because we have our three technique in Kelly. He basically listed all the players who were options for us and said something to make everyone think we weren't going to draft him. I don't have to believe that McFadden was the number one player on his board, but don't tell me he's not excited to have a guy like Darren to hand the rock to.

[hawaiianboy]

Don't you have any friends with a dish?:shakehead:

I've got my daughter and her cousin with me today... Big screen and comp access for me outside and a swimming pool to keep them occupied...

[Limee]

I guess Kiffin will try to use McFadden in multiple ways similar to Reggie Bush. So Cal is going to love it.

[london raider 2]

I guess Kiffin will try to use McFadden in multiple ways similar to Reggie Bush. So Cal is going to love it.

Is he going to play D-line :D

[hawaiianboy]

NFL.com is showing NFLN's coverage. It's only like 20 seconds behind for me, but its worth it to listen to Mayock break down the players.

I have it on when I'm at the computer, but have to rely on ESPN when I'm not...

[RZ]

I guess Kiffin will try to use McFadden in multiple ways similar to Reggie Bush. So Cal is going to love it.

ya I see him using McFadden/Bush like USC used Bush/White

[hawaiianboy]

Hey RZ, you want to impress me with your techie skills, hack out a way to filter out Mayock's lisp...

[raiderfreak7]

I have it on when I'm at the computer, but have to rely on ESPN when I'm not...

Just trying to help...:D

[RZ]

Hey RZ, you want to impress me with your techie skills, hack out a way to filter out Mayock's lisp...

:pound: .................................................. ..........................................

[hawaiianboy]

I like what Carolina is doing... Jeff Otah is what normally would be considered a Raider type O-lineman if we weren't running the Gibbs/Cable stuff....

[hawaiianboy]

I like what Carolina is doing... Jeff Otah is what normally would be considered a Raider type O-lineman if we weren't running the Gibbs/Cable stuff....


Uh, scratch that... Carolina giving up a 1st next year is just stupid... :eek:

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

well at least the Bucs make a sucky pick.

[Jack's sore libido]

Well, here's the defensive line prospects that we could move up or sit still and draft that would make me happy ...

-- Jeremy Thompson
-- Pat Sims
-- Cliff Avril
-- Kentwan Balmer
-- Red Bryant
-- Calais Campbell
-- Lionel Dotson
-- Chris Ellis
-- Wallace Gilberry
-- Marcus Howard (Chris Clemons clone)
-- Lawrence Jackson
-- Jason Jones
-- Trevor Laws
-- Phillip Merling
-- Ahtyba Rubin

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Add Marcus Harrison to the list.He would make an excellent NT.

[massraider]

Well, here's the defensive line prospects that we could move up or sit still and draft that would make me happy ...

-- Jeremy Thompson
-- Pat Sims
-- Cliff Avril
-- Kentwan Balmer
-- Red Bryant
-- Calais Campbell
-- Lionel Dotson
-- Chris Ellis
-- Wallace Gilberry
-- Marcus Howard (Chris Clemons clone)
-- Lawrence Jackson
-- Jason Jones
-- Trevor Laws
-- Phillip Merling
-- Ahtyba Rubin


Great, now I can spend the next few hours, scratching these names off.

[Limee]

A couple of surprising picks in Talib and Baker.

[massraider]

ATL trades up for Sam Baker? Well, OK.


Mendenhall sitting there for Dallas.

[007]

Either way you would have been scratching them off.

We don't pick until round 4, and most of the impact guys will be gone.

Whether we picked McFadden or Dorsey, we look to be waiting a long time until our next go around.

[massraider]

Either way you would have been scratching them off.

We don't pick until round 4, and most of the impact guys will be gone.

Whether we picked McFadden or Dorsey, we look to be waiting a long time until our next go around.

Hey, we coulda traded our pick to Dallas, and taken Mendenhall and one of those guys!!!!








OK, now I'm just fucking around.;)


RUN DMC 4 EVA!!!!!

[007]

I think the trade down was a pipe dream.

The only legit shot was dropping to New Orleans spot, but I never like moving too far out of the top 5, and apparently Davis agrees.

We're picking at the ten spot, and its our choice of Clady, Williams or Stewart?

I'll take DMC.

[massraider]

I think the trade down was a pipe dream.

The only legit shot was dropping to New Orleans spot, but I never like moving too far out of the top 5, and apparently Davis agrees.

We're picking at the ten spot, and its our choice of Clady, Williams or Stewart?

I'll take DMC.

Honestly? I probably agree. With Harvey gone, it was easier to take.

[RZ]

Dallas takes Felix Jones and leaves Mendenhall on the board lol.. did Mendenhall pop hot or something?

[007]

Especially with Long gone too.

Im not saying I was behind the DMC pick, Mass.

I wanted Long, liked Dorsey etc. It isnt like we reached on DMC though. I could pull up 20 draft guys who said he's the clearcut #1 back, (Potenially #1 overall) and Im fine with a great value pick any day of the week.

[massraider]

Yep, Willie Parker, also on my fantasy team.

What the frik?

[Limee]

Steelers got themselves a good un.

[massraider]

Especially with Long gone too.

Im not saying I was behind the DMC pick, Mass.

I wanted Long, liked Dorsey etc. It isnt like we reached on DMC though. I could pull up 20 draft guys who said he's the clearcut #1 back, (Potenially #1 overall) and Im fine with a great value pick any day of the week.

I think we would have passed on Long for DMC as well, thank god STL took him.

[Byron2112]

ATL trades up for Sam Baker? Well, OK.


Mendenhall sitting there for Dallas.

Seems like a helluva reach doesn't it?

Wonder what they paid?

[massraider]

I like Falix, but I think Dallas made a mistake passing on Mendenhall.

[007]

I think we would have passed on Long for DMC as well, thank god STL took him.

I'd be on the ledge with everyone else if we did that.

Dorsey I can pass on. I think Kelly is a solid fit at UT/3 tech, and Dorsey aint a nose tackle.

McFadden represented great value, good production, and amazing potential at a need spot.

[massraider]

Seems like a helluva reach doesn't it?

Wonder what they paid?

It wasn't bad. Gave up 2 2nds, and got a 3rd back, I believe.

[Jack's sore libido]

I would say Atlanta reached, too, except that OTs have been flying off the board, and the Falcons have a lot of ammunition. So it would really suck for them to sit there and wait, then miss out on any of them.

They just gave the reins to Matt Ryan. They damn sure better do something to protect him.

[RZ]

I like Falix, but I think Dallas made a mistake passing on Mendenhall.

two of my buddies that are Dallas fans just both signed off line pissed off :pound:

[RZ]

3 RBs in a ROW now..

[Jack's sore libido]

Titans just got a PacMan lookalike.

[massraider]

Chris Johnson to TEN. I shit you not, I have LenDale on my team as well.

Look for Cincy to draft Henne next round to replace Carson Palmer.:bugeye:

[Limee]

Ouch. Everybody hates Mass right now.

[hawaiianboy]

I still say Sam baker ends up a guard before it's said and done...

That's three early RB's in a row for the Titans... At least it's better than reaching for Chris Henry last year...

[007]

Off the wall prediction:

Raiders trade a 2009 FIRST rounder to move up and draft DEVIN THOMAS...

Crow will kill himself.

(This is complete hearsay on my part, but I could see it)

[Byron2112]

I would say Atlanta reached, too, except that OTs have been flying off the board, and the Falcons have a lot of ammunition. So it would really suck for them to sit there and wait, then miss out on any of them.

They just gave the reins to Matt Ryan. They damn sure better do something to protect him.

Yeah, i guess that's what it is... supply and demand

[massraider]

Michael Bush needs to change the name on his jersey to "trade bait".

[Jack's sore libido]

Off the wall prediction:

Raiders trade a 2009 FIRST rounder to move up and draft DEVIN THOMAS...

Crow will kill himself.

(This is complete hearsay on my part, but I could see it)

Bite your tongue.

If the Raiders move back into this thing, I hope it's for Calais Campbell.

[hawaiianboy]

Man, I do not want to trade next years 1st...

2:1 the Bolts take Merling if he's there...

[007]

I know HB, but Al Davis isnt into the 'rebuilding' thing...He'll see a guy he likes and do what he has to to get him.

Im not saying I like it, but you guys all know it could happen, LOL.

[RZ]

Off the wall prediction:

Raiders trade a 2009 FIRST rounder to move up and draft DEVIN THOMAS...

Crow will kill himself.

(This is complete hearsay on my part, but I could see it)

lol.. I just posted that on my site ...

[massraider]

Eagles trade a 4th rounder for a smurf.

[007]

Dude was a second rounder last year...Does Cam Cameron still have a job anywhere in the NFL?

[hawaiianboy]

So had we kept our 2nd RD pick, who would everyone be hoping for about now?...


You all know Calais would be my mine...

[massraider]

So had we kept our 2nd RD pick, who would everyone be hoping for about now?...


You all know Calais would be my mine...

Groves or Merling.

[Limee]

Bryant, Campbell, with Caldwell, Sweed & Thomas worthy of consideration.

[Limee]

Forgot about Merling.

[massraider]

Jets taking another 1st round TE. Hilarious.

I thought it'd be Henne.

[Byron2112]

Campbell, I like the guy.

I like the idea of him moving inside on 3rd down and batting that asshole River's passes back into his fucking face :D

[hawaiianboy]

They shouldn't move the draft... I'd reall miss the reactions of Jets fans :D

[Jack's sore libido]

I really liken that pick for the Jets.

Especially since I have Pennington and Clemens on my dynasty team.

[Byron2112]

Jets taking another 1st round TE. Hilarious.

I thought it'd be Henne.

Thay have had alotta bust #1 TE's

Johnny Mitchell

Anthony Becht

Who was the mucsclehead from Penn State?

[007]

It would be kind of disgusting if Atlanta takes Devin Thomas, and we could have had him with our pick...

[Jack's sore libido]

Thay have had alotta bust #1 TE's

Johnny Mitchell

Anthony Becht

Who was the mucsclehead from Penn State?

Kyle Brady

[Jack's sore libido]

It would be kind of disgusting if Atlanta takes Devin Thomas, and we could have had him with our pick...

I'd rather have DeAngelo Hall than Devin Thomas.

[massraider]

Solid pick for the Giants.

[massraider]

Henne or Groves makes sense.

[007]

Merling is GREAT value.

For some reason I don't think our day is done...Could be wrong though.

[Limee]

I am expecting something to happen.

[raiderfreak7]

Merling is GREAT value.

For some reason I don't think our day is done...Could be wrong though.

In Kiffin's interview I found it interesting that he sounded content to just wait until the 4th round pick. Gotta believe Al is at least cooking up some trade offers and hoping someone bites.

[massraider]

Avery to the Rams?

Wow.

[hawaiianboy]

This changing the 3rd round to day two stuff sucks balls... Start late on day one and start at 4am on day two...

Right here Goodell http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/finger.gif


And the Rams jack up my Lil Al pick by taking Avery really early... I knew I should have rode with Eddie Royal instead...

[massraider]

In Kiffin's interview I found it interesting that he sounded content to just wait until the 4th round pick. Gotta believe Al is at least cooking up some trade offers and hoping someone bites.

If we make a move, it'll just piss people off, cause right now, it'll take a 1st next year.

[BigTron]

Rams! What a horrible pick.

[massraider]

I am cool just waiting till the 4th round (Tony Hills).

[massraider]

Chiefs get their QB here?

[Limee]

I don't want to trade any of next years picks and I don't really want to trade Washington unless he can net us an impact DL so as much as it sucks I would rather sit it out.

[raiderfreak7]

Kansas City just took Brandon Flowers. Good player, but has questionable character. You may remember him as the guy who may or may not have posted a picture of a cocaine baggy on his Facebook.

[massraider]

I don't want to trade any of next years picks and I don't really want to trade Washington unless he can net us an impact DL so as much as it sucks I would rather sit it out.

That's where I am at.

Now, if a DE slides to the 3rd, I could see giving up a 2nd next year, but I think we are done for the day.

Got my eye on Groves. DE's named Quentin make me queasy, however.

[hawaiianboy]

Avery on turf is going to be a scary cover for DB's... The guy pops the clutch and goes from 0 to 60 in a hurry....


Fuggin Chiefs...

[massraider]

Chiefs take a slow CB. I can live with it.

[massraider]

I am rooting for Henne and Brohm to go soon. Continue the Brodie Croyle era.

[massraider]

Kansas City just took Brandon Flowers. Good player, but has questionable character. You may remember him as the guy who may or may not have posted a picture of a cocaine baggy on his Facebook.

I never gave him permission to use that photo. :nono:

[massraider]

Falcons take a LB. Ehhh, boring.

[hawaiianboy]

I wouldn't have touched any of these TE's till the back end of RD2 myself...

[raiderfreak7]

http://www.blackreign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3140&highlight=brandon+flowers

There's a thread Crow started about Flowers..

[Limee]

I like Craig Stevens from Cal most of the TEs this year.

[Jack's sore libido]

It would be kind of disgusting if Atlanta takes Devin Thomas, and we could have had him with our pick...

Sure enough, the Redskins took Devin Thomas with the pick the Raiders traded to the Falcons for Hall ... and then the Falcons traded to the Redskins for Sam Baker.