Draft prospects sure are dumb. Maybe athletes really don't do any actual studying.

[Crow]

CB Aquib Talib apparently loves him some Mary J. Wanna. Mario Manningham smoked, but didn't inhale. (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2008/wwhi040808.htm)

[Crow]

Okay. I admit it. I'd take a chance on Manningham's monkey ass in Rd4.

[Madturk]

Or maybe Adarius Bowman late second day:eek:

[nin]

I would take Bowman in the 6th

[massraider]

I'd probably take a chance on a guy like that late in the draft, but I am also not mad if the Raiders don't.

Grabbing a Bowman in the 6th is a pick to be intrigued by, taking Talib in the 1st, is just stupid, IMO.

Here's the thing: Weed isn't the issue. I am sure a healthy percentage of very good players in the NFL smoke.

I have 3 issues with these situations:

1. It's a reflection on the players decision-making, will power, and dedication. For the sake of comparison, I just moved to Las Vegas. The union hotels here drug test. There are some products that I am a fan of, that stay in your hair for 3 months. So, since I moved here, two months ago, I haven't indulged. In anything. And this is so I may pass a drug test that I may or may not be asked to take. For a job paying a fraction of an NFL contract. And I don't have what you might call an iron will. So a guy holding a winning lottery ticket, that knows he's gonna be tested, fails multiple tests? Is this guy gonna be up at the crack of dawn, running the hill?

2. It shows stupidity, because only the truly dumb fail urine tests for weed. If you know anything about drug testing, it's that the urine test is eminently beatable. What they don't have a GNC or a Vitamin Shoppe in the Midwest? Smoke your weed, but foir the love of god, get some Golden Seal, and flush yourself out. Man, especially after the first failed test.

3. The NFL doesn't suffer these fools anymore. You have to take into account that the NFL has decided to deal severely with dumb mistakes. Every team has to play by the same rules, and the rules really punish the bad boys. So while I don't think pot-smoking should warrant any kind of a punishment, it does carry serious consequences, so to go into a draft, and already have these red flags on a player, and still take him, it just doesn't improve your chances for success.

[BigTron]

Even the stonedest (actual word) potheads think getting caught with weed before the draft is stupid. At the very least cheat the system. If millions are on the line its not worth it.

[Jack's sore libido]

Speaking of dumb athletes ...

These two answers from Darren McFadden are just a few questions apart ...

"I know I put myself in a bad situation I shouldn’t have been in, and I take full responsibility for it."

"A lot of bad things were laid out in front of me, and at any point in time in life I could have took the wrong road. But I felt like I always stayed on the right road and did the positive things."

WTF?

[s.dot88]

i remember hearing that and thinking the same thing

but it seems like its taken out of context

i beleive the first quote had to do with the bar altercation where he was cuffed

the second seems like it has to do with his upbringing and coming from a rough neighborhood

[007]

I think he genuinely though he did the right thing 'protecting his brother' from those mean homosexuals at that piano bar...

I don't think we'll ever know the real story, but I fully assume top draft picks and professionals are always baited into doing stupid things when they go to a bar and get taunted by some punks...

The key though? Dont go to the places that can get you in trouble!!!

[Crow]

Speaking of dumb athletes ...

These two answers from Darren McFadden are just a few questions apart ...

"I know I put myself in a bad situation I shouldn’t have been in, and I take full responsibility for it."

"A lot of bad things were laid out in front of me, and at any point in time in life I could have took the wrong road. But I felt like I always stayed on the right road and did the positive things."

WTF?
This is what happens when someone prepares your answers for you and you're too dumb to study the script so you get it right.

Either that, or the person prepping these answers for him is on dope.

[Jack's sore libido]

i remember hearing that and thinking the same thing

but it seems like its taken out of context

i beleive the first quote had to do with the bar altercation where he was cuffed

the second seems like it has to do with his upbringing and coming from a rough neighborhood

Doesn't matter.

He can't on one hand say he's always made the right choices, and then on the next say he takes responsibility for putting himself in a bad position.

If he put himself in a bad position, then he doesn't ALWAYS make the right choices.

This guy seems like a steaming turd to me.

[007]

The kid is 21 years old. I wouldnt expect him to have the interview portion mastered in his repetoire yet.

Has he been busted for drugs or has anyone questioned his leadership qualities? I honestly dont know.

That would worry me more than muffing up an interview question...

[hawaiianboy]

Speaking of dumb athletes ...

These two answers from Darren McFadden are just a few questions apart ...

"I know I put myself in a bad situation I shouldn’t have been in, and I take full responsibility for it."

"A lot of bad things were laid out in front of me, and at any point in time in life I could have took the wrong road. But I felt like I always stayed on the right road and did the positive things."

WTF?



When they're taken in context with the actual questions, I don't see a problem... Considering where he comes from, I think the second answer was clearly referencing choosing football and school over gangs and dealing drugs...


Q: How will you answer the nightclub questions?

A: "I know I put myself in a bad situation I shouldn’t have been in, and I take full responsibility for it."


Q: Was football an escape for you growing up in a tough environment?

A: "A lot of bad things were laid out in front of me, and at any point in time in life I could have took the wrong road. But I felt like I always stayed on the right road and did the positive things."

[s.dot88]

the point i was trying to make is what HB just said

i think when you take it out of context it looks pretty dumb, but relative to the questions they make sense

[raiderfreak7]

When they're taken in context with the actual questions, I don't see a problem... Considering where he comes from, I think the second answer was clearly referencing choosing football and school over gangs and dealing drugs...


Q: How will you answer the nightclub questions?

A: "I know I put myself in a bad situation I shouldn’t have been in, and I take full responsibility for it."


Q: Was football an escape for you growing up in a tough environment?

A: "A lot of bad things were laid out in front of me, and at any point in time in life I could have took the wrong road. But I felt like I always stayed on the right road and did the positive things."


Exactly. "The wrong road..." obviously means doing drugs or joining gangs IMO. He was talking about what he could've been as opposed to playing football, going to college, etc. I don't think his bar incidents are a serious issue. It's something that has to be looked at, but doesn't make me think "wow, what a turd". He's made mistakes and has acknowledged them. I'm willing to give him a chance to redeem himself.

And something that I found kind of interesting. There's a hockey player around here, TJ Oshie, who was drafted in the 1st round to the St. Louis Blues. He's been arrested numerous times for alcohol related incidents (minor in a bar, loud parties, vandalism) and the GM for the Blues has numerously said, "I like him and think he's a great guy." If Oshie had been drafted into the NFL would he be scrutinized much differently?

[Jack's sore libido]

I'm probably overstating his turditude, but I find the paternity and bar fight issues to be a little troubling.

That's the kind of guy that seems to me, once he gets his lottery ticket cashed, will get fat and happy real quick.

[Jack's sore libido]

If Oshie had been drafted into the NFL would he be scrutinized much differently?

Absolutely, he would.

That's the price of playing a popular sport instead of one where the TV ratings are sandwiched between billiards and bowling.

[s.dot88]

I'm probably overstating his turditude, but I find the paternity and bar fight issues to be a little troubling.

That's the kind of guy that seems to me, once he gets his lottery ticket cashed, will get fat and happy real quick.

im with you on the paternity issues

a 20 year old dude with 3 kids all supposedly from different chicks

i dont think hes the type of player that will get lazy once he gets paid

but he does seem like the type of guy that will get busted for something concerning a broad ie domestic battery, more children issues, etc.

once theres a pricetag over his head, who knows what kind of women are going to be coming after him from all angles and what they might do to get him in trouble or get paid

[Crow]

He fumbles the ball as much as he fumbles his baby batter. Seems like that'd be a point of concern as well.

[007]

Good points...Definite risk involved, and not the good kind.

Im praying that Dorsey or Chris Long falls to us, but as I go through the scenarios and hear the 'experts' I give it less than 10% chance either is availible.

I think we'll be at the 4 spot choosing between McFadden, Gholston and Ellis, and I actually have a tough time deciding.

[Crow]

I think we'll be at the 4 spot choosing between McFadden, Gholston and Ellis, and I actually have a tough time deciding.
That's my fear as well. God damn coin flip.

Still, there's probably a 50/50 chance that Atlanta takes Ryan or Jake Long, which helps us tremendously.

Best case scenario, even though it fucks up my dream draft, is Jake Long going to Miami, the Rams taking Dorsey over Chris Long, and Atlanta grabbing their QB. That drops into our laps the one guy we all know Al can't pass up, and a guy we can all get psyched about.

There's still the chance that Gholston goes top 3, but I'm not banking on it.

[Jack's sore libido]

Good points...Definite risk involved, and not the good kind.

Im praying that Dorsey or Chris Long falls to us, but as I go through the scenarios and hear the 'experts' I give it less than 10% chance either is availible.

I think we'll be at the 4 spot choosing between McFadden, Gholston and Ellis, and I actually have a tough time deciding.

So you're thinking it goes Long-Long-Dorsey?

Yeah, unfortunately I could see that happening.

[007]

So you're thinking it goes Long-Long-Dorsey?

Yeah, unfortunately I could see that happening.

Its not what I want, but at this point I think its a pretty solid bet.

Dorsey has regained momentum, and unlike certain years where guys like Peterson, Leinart, Quinn, etc. are faltering at the top and players like Vince Young, Ronnie Brown etc are screaming up to the top of draft boards, Jake and Chris Long have pretty much remained 1A and 1B.

I was listening to the radio this morning, and Brandt had a good point saying that we are pretty much assured of a top tier prospect, whether it's McFadden, Ellis, Gholston, or one of the other three...

Not a bad spot to be in.

[massraider]

It's all about the Rams. The Rams pick will affect (potentially) the Falcons, Raiders, Jets, Pats, Ravens, Cincy..................