Props to Crow:

[007]

My boy Pat Kirwan just said on SIRIUS that he thinks Vernon Gholston will get signed before the draft and go to Miami to play for Billy Parcells.

Interesting the way his mock shaped up after that, but he had Glenn Dorsey for us, after his Pro Day.

Crow did say VG would get serious consideration for the #1 pick, and Kirwan (Who's my favorite NFL guy) said the same thing.

[CrossBones]

To me it's looking more and more like McFadden will be out pick (assuming he's there).

McFadden has the biggest upside of any player in the draft. This crap about not taking a RB top five doesn't make any sense at all. The draft is the Mother of all crap shoots and Al is a riverboat gambler from way back. No guts, no glory. If McFadden, skinny legs and all, is the home run hitter this team has been looking for since Bo Jackson we'd be nuts to pass. Hell we pissed the #2 pick in the draft away on Gallery so I say Al will roll the dice on a potential superstar and get the Silver & Black on ESPN with blinking lights.

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[Madturk]

It wouldn't suprise me in the least as Parcell could see Gholston as an LT type defensive franchise player. Seemed like they were really courting Jake Long though. This undoubtedly means that ST L will draft C Long if this comes to fruition.

[hawaiianboy]

Did the thread title led anyone else to believe this was a thread about our boy finally passing that pesky GED exam?...

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

St.Louis could still go after jake Long.

[s.dot88]

St.Louis could still go after jake Long.

theyre also really hot on glenn dorsey as well

i really think (and hope) that Jake Long will go #2, Ryan goes #3 and we take Chris Long at #4

i'd still be extremely happy with Gholston or DMac, but i dont think there is one person onthese boards that doesnt want Howie Jr. to fall to oakland

[Byron2112]

To me it's looking more and more like McFadden will be out pick (assuming he's there).

McFadden has the biggest upside of any player in the draft. This crap about not taking a RB top five doesn't make any sense at all. The draft is the Mother of all crap shoots and Al is a riverboat gambler from way back. No guts, no glory. If McFadden, skinny legs and all, is the home run hitter this team has been looking for since Bo Jackson we'd be nuts to pass. Hell we pissed the #2 pick in the draft away on Gallery so I say Al will roll the dice on a potential superstar and get the Silver & Black on ESPN with blinking lights.

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Amen brother Bones... you are obviously a true deciple of the Al Davis philosphy.

Thanks for paying attention :D

[NIPS]

Did the thread title led anyone else to believe this was a thread about our boy finally passing that pesky GED exam?...

I'm thinking its Crow's first rabbit hunt....

"No,......... first you put the ball in then you poke the stick down twice.."

"Thanky Jessup..."

[Crow]

I saw this thread title and was a little afraid to click it.

As for Gholston, production + athletic ability + projected workout numbers = a pretty good guy to make a wild guess about. ;)

Seems odd, though. All I've heard lately about LB drills was that Long was looking great and Gholston was a little stiff. But, at the same time, Parcells didn't exactly ask LT to make his living as a coverage guy. Gholston with a running start...that's gonna make a lot of tackles do the Gallery Flop on Sundays.

[NIPS]

I've been hearing theres alot of teams talking to him about playing OLB in a 3-4

Here's the deal...

Gholstons either going #1 to Miami or he will fall to the Pats at 6

[Crow]

Are the Jets boycotting the draft this year? ;)

He's a top 6 pick, I believe. Atlanta and KC may not be looking at him too hard. But he won't fall past the Jets.

[Jack's sore libido]

The Jets have been willing trade partners in the past.

I wonder if they would deal up to 4 for McFadden if the Raiders threatened to trade down to someone else who wanted DMC.

[Crow]

If they'd offer us something good, we could probably still get Ellis at 6. Maybe even Gholston, assuming the Jets don't take him.

That said, I still don't the the logic in the Jets taking McFadden. RB wasn't their problem last year. The 4 bums flanking Nick Mangold were. Now that they've partially rebuilt that line, Thomas Jones could have a terrific season.

[Jack's sore libido]

Thomas Jones turns 30 this year and averaged 3.6 ypc last year. Maybe that was more on the line than on him, but you could hardly blame the Jets for thinking his best years are behind him, either.

[s.dot88]

i still dont see us taking any DT with our 1st rounder, simply because both are UT

we tied alot of money up in Tommy Kelly to be our UT, and shelling out $20 guranteed for another one is plain stupid (almost as stupid as signing TK for that much money in the first place)

honestly, i dont trade back with the Jets until i know what is sitting at pick #4

sure would suck to be sitting at 6 and have Long, Gholston, Long, and DMac off the board

that said, im still praying for a trade down with Dallas and leaving Rd 1 with Campbell and either an OT or Quentin Groves

[Madturk]

The Jets have been willing trade partners in the past.

I wonder if they would deal up to 4 for McFadden if the Raiders threatened to trade down to someone else who wanted DMC.


New England maybe but I think most would be of the opinion that Al wasn't foolish to hand over another playmaker to them again. Too bad the Dallas trade scenario doesn't seem to have legs. We could have really sweetened up the ante for DMac with the Jets purported interest. For Al to trade down, it's going to take a kings ransom IMO.

I guess there's a slight chance of CLong dropping to us if Miami takes Gholston. According to NFLN, Dorsey is back up on teams boards and STL is majorly interested. Could all be just pre-draft posturing.

[Crow]

Thomas Jones turns 30 this year and averaged 3.6 ypc last year. Maybe that was more on the line than on him, but you could hardly blame the Jets for thinking his best years are behind him, either.

True enough.

[Crow]

i still dont see us taking any DT with our 1st rounder, simply because both are UT

we tied alot of money up in Tommy Kelly to be our UT, and shelling out $20 guranteed for another one is plain stupid (almost as stupid as signing TK for that much money in the first place)
Having a hard time understanding how adding a potentially great player at a position of tremendous need is stupid.

And why is everyone so convinced that neither Dorsey nor Ellis can play the nose in a 43? If we were a 34 team, I could understand the concern. But as it stands, believing that neither can play the nose for us is really misguided.

[007]

Having a hard time understanding how adding a potentially great player at a position of tremendous need is stupid.

And why is everyone so convinced that neither Dorsey nor Ellis can play the nose in a 43? If we were a 34 team, I could understand the concern. But as it stands, believing that neither can play the nose for us is really misguided.

How many years before they can play the nose effectively? And more importantly, why would you want to?

Dorsey checked in at 295 pounds, and would be less effective as an NT than Warren or Sands for at least a couple years, IMO.

His size, experience, and injury history dont really lend itself to lining up over a couple of maulers and occupying blockers all game. If I get Dorsey, I want him penetrating and disrupting most the time...

Personally, a guy like Okam, Bryant or Shirley makes much more sense at DT in the mid rounds.

[Madturk]

Having a hard time understanding how adding a potentially great player at a position of tremendous need is stupid.

And why is everyone so convinced that neither Dorsey nor Ellis can play the nose in a 43? If we were a 34 team, I could understand the concern. But as it stands, believing that neither can play the nose for us is really misguided.

Dorsey's drawing comparisons to Warren Sapp, a quick guy who can get after the QB and get in the back field. Not saying he can't play NT in our scheme but we just signed Kelly to a huge deal, have Warren under contract and went out and signed Joseph. Have enough UT's already. Just don't see us paying top 5 money to Dorsey, especially with Terd under contract. I'm with 007, I see better value with one of the wide bodies later on.

[Crow]

How many years before they can play the nose effectively?
I'm guessing somewhere around 2008.

And more importantly, why would you want to?
Why do we want Kelly playing the 3?

Dorsey checked in at 295 pounds
Right around Tank Johnson/Booger McFarland size.

and would be less effective as an NT than Warren or Sands for at least a couple years, IMO.
IMO, that's a pretty unfounded belief. A more talented player who plays hard every snap would be less effective than two inferior players with highly dubious levels of effort? Sorry, man. That just doesn't make any sense.

His size, experience, and injury history dont really lend itself to lining up over a couple of maulers and occupying blockers all game. If I get Dorsey, I want him penetrating and disrupting most the time...
Then put Kelly back at end.

Besides, we wouldn't need him occupying blockers all game, or even for the better half of it. Maybe you hadn't noticed, but we don't leave any one guy on the nose or at the 3 all game. We change up a lot, often leaving the nose completely uncovered. Kelly's played next to Sapp on many occasions, both lined up as 3s. Kelly was quite unimpressive, btw.

Personally, a guy like Okam, Bryant or Shirley makes much more sense at DT in the mid rounds.
If we want Okam, all we have to do is re-sign Hawthorne. Or, hell, just hold onto Warren. Same type of bums.

[Jack's sore libido]

Warren was the third overall pick in the draft.

His talent was every bit as highly regarded as Dorsey's.

On the effort level, point taken.

[Crow]

Like I mentioned in a prior thread, and I realize I'm in the minority here, I consider level of effort a factor when judging talent. Much more so than what a guy shows he's capable of doing once every 30 snaps.

I suppose I should start substituting the word "prospect" in favor of "talent". That might be a better means of expressing what I'm trying to convey...or conveying what I'm trying to express. Pick one.

[007]

I'm guessing somewhere around 2008.

Really? You think so?

A 295 pound DT coming in and playing the nose effectively? Come to think of it, if you can name ONE, just ONE undersized DT rookie playing NT effectively in the last decade, I'll be shocked.

We're not talking about Henderson or Ngata here. We're talking about the premier gap shooting, disruptive DT. Apparently you havent followed along lately...


Why do we want Kelly playing the 3?


We all know what you think of Kelly. You've whined in countless threads about it over the last month. That being said, do you really see us sitting our fifty million dollar man in favor of a rook?


Right around Tank Johnson/Booger McFarland size.


And they are playing NT right now? You do watch football, right?

Booger McFarland is still unsigned after sitting out a year and the only team giving him a sniff, wants him to play defensive end. And Tank Johnson is a scrub backup in Dallas in a 3-4?

Were you trying to shoot down your own argument on purpose? LOL.


IMO, that's a pretty unfounded belief. A more talented player who plays hard every snap would be less effective than two inferior players with highly dubious levels of effort? Sorry, man. That just doesn't make any sense.


How is it 'unfounded'?

All three guys I listed actually have played nose and fit what we need better. I like Dorsey and Ellis, but the fact of the matter is, Red Bryant and Frank Okam would be exactly the type of guy Ryan and Millard could groom into the two gap role...


Besides, we wouldn't need him occupying blockers all game, or even for the better half of it. Maybe you hadn't noticed, but we don't leave any one guy on the nose or at the 3 all game. We change up a lot, often leaving the nose completely uncovered. Kelly's played next to Sapp on many occasions, both lined up as 3s. Kelly was quite unimpressive, btw.


Finally!

A semi-coherent idea.

Drafting Dorsey to shuffle around and penetrate is a great idea. Moving him around and trying to get him one on one is exactly how we should use him, the only problem is I think Ryan and the defence envision Kelly in that role, and have said so on numerous occasions...


If we want Okam, all we have to do is re-sign Hawthorne. Or, hell, just hold onto Warren. Same type of bums.

What does Frank Okam have to do with Hawthorne?

Hawthorne was more of a penetrator too, while Okam can two gap and is well worth a mid-round risk, just as Hawthorne was. You miss on mid rounders more often than you hit.

You pull the trigger if he's there anytime after round 4.

I still think the smartest thing we could do is trade down, accumulate some picks and save millions, or draft a top tier DE.

[Crow]

But, for the sake of argument, I don't think we can use draft position as a measure of a player's regard pre-draft. Unless we're assuming Alex Smith's talent was as highly regarded as Peyton Manning's. The overall player pool has nearly as much to do with any one player's eventual draft slot as his own production/potential.

[Rupert]

I agree with Crow, Dorsey could play nose. In '08? Probably not by week 1, but sometime during the season. But I agree with 007, that's not what I'd draft him to do. And certainly not what the Raiders coaches should draft him to do. These guys have not taken a big body and made a credible nose out of him. Couldn't do it with Kelly, didn't do it with Warren (though he's still got time to prove it one way or another), didn't get Sands to do it consistently, couldn't get Hawthorne to do it. Of all those guys, the only one with the demeanor to do it was Sands.

I don't think Dorsey has the demeanor of a nose either. I know he'd do it, and might just enjoy it, but the guy already has a taste for beating guys one-on-one. Asking him to take the beating snap after snap might just ruin his desire for the game. I'd rather draft some guy who is used to taking the pounding and loves dishing it back out.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

I think what we should do is go DE in the 1st trade to get a 3rd and draft Harrison(the best run stuffer in the draft IMO).

[Jack's sore libido]

Like I mentioned in a prior thread, and I realize I'm in the minority here, I consider level of effort a factor when judging talent.

Until I see a guy with money in his pocket, I will personally never be convinced of his effort level.

Money changes some people, doesn't change others.

[Crow]

Really? You think so?
Thinking is a challenge. I get that. But give it a shot.

We're not talking about Henderson or Ngata here. We're talking about the premier gap shooting, disruptive DT. Apparently you havent followed along lately...
Uh huh. Apparently you've decided that because Dorsey is good at one thing, he must not be very good at the other. Maybe you just haven't been keeping up lately.

We all know what you think of Kelly. You've whined in countless threads about it over the last month. That being said, do you really see us sitting our fifty million dollar man in favor of a rook?
Go back and find where I said to sit him. I'll wait.

Didn't find it, huh? Now, next time you decide to be a dick, try to have some substance, m'kay? Thanks.

And they are playing NT right now? You do watch football, right?
And I seemingly understand what I'm watching more than you. It's like talking to a woman.

No offense, Teeg. But 007, like most chicks, just likes the pretty uniforms and oos and ahhs at the pretty numbers on the stat sheets instead of making an honest effort to develop an intelligent point.

Booger McFarland is still unsigned after sitting out a year and the only team giving him a sniff, wants him to play defensive end. And Tank Johnson is a scrub backup in Dallas in a 3-4?
Case in point.

I guess this is their first season, right? Nevermind the success they've had before. That would, like, fuck up your lack of an argument.

Were you trying to shoot down your own argument on purpose? LOL.

Nah. I gotta learn to let the easy ones go.


How is it 'unfounded'?
Because it's without foundation.

All three guys I listed actually have played nose and fit what we need better. I like Dorsey and Ellis, but the fact of the matter is, Red Bryant and Frank Okam would be exactly the type of guy Ryan and Millard could groom into the two gap role...Explain to me, pleasde, how Frank "What's leverage mean?" Okam is going to be any better than Terd?

If Bryant is there in Rd4, great. Grab him too. Not only do we not have a starting caliber DT on the roster, we could use better depth as well.

Ellis has never played the nose, eh? Hmm. Alrighty then.

Size doesn't make a NT, son. I hate to break it to you. If it did, the worthless slugs we currently have on the roster would be all we needed.
Finally!

A semi-coherent idea.
I long for the day I'm able to say this very thing when reading one of your mindless retorts.

Drafting Dorsey to shuffle around and penetrate is a great idea. Moving him around and trying to get him one on one is exactly how we should use him, the only problem is I think Ryan and the defence envision Kelly in that role, and have said so on numerous occasions...
Didn't they also say we were going to use Huff like Troy Polawhatever? Lip service is easy. But this team has proven that follow-through is a little more difficult.

I don't think anyone believes Kelly is going to do any damage in that sort of role. Sapp or no Sapp, if Kelly were capable of such a thing, he'd have shown it by now.

What does Frank Okam have to do with Hawthorne?
They're both lazy slugs?

Hawthorne was more of a penetrator too, while Okam can two gap and is well worth a mid-round risk, just as Hawthorne was. You miss on mid rounders more often than you hit.
Hawthorne wasn't even a mid rounder. If not for us taking a chance on him in the 6th, he could have easily gone undrafted.

Okam is a long term, developmental, "maybe he'll start playing hard one day" type of player. Forgive me for not getting all excited about the prospect of relying on him to save our sieve run defense.

You pull the trigger if he's there anytime after round 4.
Depends on who else is on the board. If there's a KR or OL there who could take over for Carlisle/Newberry, I'd let Okam go to a team who's actually known for motivating lazy players with mad technique. We're not known for that, btw.

I still think the smartest thing we could do is trade down, accumulate some picks and save millions, or draft a top tier DE.If we take Clong or Gholston, it'll be a great pick. I've given up on the idea of us trading down unless some team hires Mike Ditka to run their draft. So, for me, we're in good shape so long as we don't do something stupid like draft McFadden, or the 3 teams ahead of us decide to screw us by drafting Long, Gholston, and Dorsey ahead of us. I'm really, really hopeful that Ryan or Jake Long goes top 3.

[Crow]

Until I see a guy with money in his pocket, I will personally never be convinced of his effort level.

Money changes some people, doesn't change others.
This is also a legit concern. But if you're lazy before you get paid...

[hawaiianboy]

Thinking is a challenge. I get that. But give it a shot.



The guy starts a thread to give you props and you end up insulting him?... I don't care who you are, that's some seriously bad mojo...

[007]

The guy starts a thread to give you props and you end up insulting him?... I don't care who you are, that's some seriously bad mojo...

What did you expect?

[hawaiianboy]

Just don't be starting any threads giving me props cause I'll slap the taste out of the mouth of your combat boot wearing momma...

[007]

Thinking is a challenge. I get that. But give it a shot.

Great insult. I'm still waiting for you to make a coherent point as to how you would use Dorsey with Kelly playing the same position?

Rotational duty year one? Play two 3 tech's at once?

I seriously read up and down your entire contributions to this thread, but havent seen a single piece of noteworthy material...



Uh huh. Apparently you've decided that because Dorsey is good at one thing, he must not be very good at the other. Maybe you just haven't been keeping up lately.


I'm no expert, but if you draft a guy in the top five, its because you envision him being great at something. I dont want to take him to backup Kelly, and sure as hell dont want him on the nose...

McFadden is a great returner and can probably play receiver, doesnt mean we should draft him to do so...


No offense, Teeg. But 007, like most chicks, just likes the pretty uniforms and oos and ahhs at the pretty numbers on the stat sheets instead of making an honest effort to develop an intelligent point.


Again great form on the insults, but where I've stated how and where I'd use Dorsey, you havent added anything useful...



Ellis has never played the nose, eh? Hmm. Alrighty then.


Is that what you'd draft him to do though?

Again, he's at his best when penetrating, and disrupting the offense with his intensity, so you draft him to do so.

It would be a monumental mistake to take either of the top two DT's in order to develop them as a two gapper, plugger type.

We could just take one of those later, like my posts have indicated.



Size doesn't make a NT, son. I hate to break it to you. If it did, the worthless slugs we currently have on the roster would be all we needed.


I've never said size mattered, but name me a sub 300 pound nose?

Would you like me to compile a list? I doubt it helps your argument...

Jamal Williams
Vince Wilfork
Haloti Ngata
Shaun Rogers
Casey Hampton
Paul Soliai
Jason Ferguson
Pat Williams
Aubrayo Franklin
Isaac Sopoaga
Ted Washington
Kris Jenkins
Grady Jackson
Sione Pouha
Kelly Gregg

The only guys on here remotely close in size are Franklin, Gregg and Robertson. Franklin backed up Ferguson up until the recent trade and is about as unknown as it gets, he's also 6-4 and expected to gain weight for full time duty. Kelly Gregg rotates with Ngata and plays roughly half of a game, and Robertson isnt very good and is on the trade block, at the moment...


Exactly.


I don't think anyone believes Kelly is going to do any damage in that sort of role. Sapp or no Sapp, if Kelly were capable of such a thing, he'd have shown it by now.


I actually think he can be good playing that role, and I assume the Raider brass agrees. I bet there are a few out there thinking he can be effective, hell Belichek has praised him a couple times...


Depends on who else is on the board. If there's a KR or OL there who could take over for Carlisle/Newberry, I'd let Okam go to a team who's actually known for motivating lazy players with mad technique. We're not known for that, btw.

Definitely not taking a kick returner at the expense of a developmental DL. You can find kick returners even later, like our mediocre one, Chris Carr.

[BigTron]

I have been making the same points about paying Kelly and Dorsey big money when both are best suited at UT. Give up. Crow is not gonna admit defeat on this one even tho its obvious. Its not about lowering Dorsey's status as hell of a player, its about role players filling needs. We need a NT. Ellis, Kelly and Dorsey = UT's in their best position. I dont wanna pay two UT's big money and hope one can play NT. Thats too much of a gamble IMO.

I know you feel differently but this is also why i like DMC and both Long's over Vernon Gholston. I believe VG will be decent against the run but his strength is pass rush. We already have that in D.Burgess IMO. I want a R.Seymour type end.

[Jack's sore libido]

We already have that in D.Burgess IMO.

You can NEVER have too many pass rushers.

[BigTron]

You can NEVER have too many pass rushers.

I agree. But at #4 i want the BPA not the BPA on the DL.

I cant stand being ran over year in and year out. We need to shut down the LT , LJ and Denver from getting 250 ypg. I just think McFadden is the best pick if you cant find someone who size/stoutness helps in the run game. I would take a P.Williams/Henderson/Seymour type DL at #4 over DMC, i think our pass rush and secondary can stand pat unitl next offseason. If we add a few more DE's through the draft or after cuts. We can make it through with what we have. Im more worried about stopping the time killing chain moving running game that has killed us. Our pass defense was #1 2 years ago and we added two pro-bowl calibur players. Im not stressing the pass D as much. Burgess, Kelly, Warren, Edwards and Joseph can all chip in a rush the passer. We could even blitz lightning fast T.Howard.

I agree we need help. Just think we can find it outside of the #4 pick and by understanding there are gonna be a few holes left at kickoff in sept.

[Jack's sore libido]

I guess is all depends on how highly one thinks of Darren McFadden.

I, like Crow, am skeptical of him.

I also don't think it's imperative to have a plugger at DT in order to be able to stop the run. The Giants, for instance, ranked 8th in the league last year in run defense and had Barry Cofield and Fred Robbins in the middle. No reason a combination of Dorsey/Kelly, or Kelly/Warren, for that matter, couldn't be every bit as effective as Robbins/Cofield.

For that matter, the Eagles were 7th in run defense last year with Brodrick Bunkley and Mike Patterson as their DTs -- two guys known for being penetrators -- and pass rushing DEs, as well.

Which again goes back to my point that DTs are not the only guys responsible for defending the run.

IIm more worried about stopping the time killing chain moving running game that has killed us.

I'm also not entirely convinced that this was the case against the Raiders last year. I threw up the stats before, and more than half the yards running backs had against Oakland last year came on runs of 10+ yards.

So it seems to me that any long, chain killing drives were as much a product of third-down pass completions and PENALTIES as they were running plays.

[NIPS]

Nothing like a good cup of morning coffee and a jelly donut

Got damn thats some good shit

I look at this this way

Like I said couple days back.. This team is 2-3 more drafts away from being complete.. "on paper anyways"

Ya cant fix everything in one draft

The reason I'm so high on McFadden is a serious one

Forget whether we draft Dorsey and this defense is doing good

If Javon Walker goes down, and the uncertainty of whether or not Fargas can complete 16 games and the fact we have Kwame Harris at LT scares the piss outta me.

Not so much what our record might be

Look, Imma give it to you fellas straight

If JaMarcus has no one to throw to and Domici Rhodes in the backfield

This could set this franchise back another 10 years. This year is absoluetly essential we make serious progress.

If Russell gets rattled and running for his life because WR's cant get open and we cant run the ball. We're in some serious shit

The media's gonna rip this team a new ass... I'm telling you right now

The Hall trade, the so-called overspending, the Russell pick...

The media is gonna rip this team and its gonna absoluetly collapse

Al Davis cannot afford this to happen

McFadden to me gives us the best chance to win games than any other player in this draft... including Dorsey.

We have got to start winning games and getting some positive props.. Look.. You really think the media or most dipshit fans are gonna wanna see a 10-7 Raider win? Hell no

What they wanna see on sunday nights are highlights of McFadden busting out 60 yard TD's, and with a win.. will get more positive spin and airtime than a Raiders 6-3 win

McFadden is a complete weapon, he can block, catch throw and man does this cat hit the hole fast!

JaMarcus Russell needs all the weapons Al can give him, because if he struggles because we cant throw or run and we end up winning 5-6 games

This team is gonna fold

[Crow]

The guy starts a thread to give you props and you end up insulting him?... I don't care who you are, that's some seriously bad mojo...
What insult? I was trying to encourage the boy to improve.

I'll let Jack's post stand as my response to 007's latest batch of "insight". Except the notion that Kelly/Warren could be a capable DT tandem. That's a stretch.

[Byron2112]

Nothing like a good cup of morning coffee and a jelly donut

Got damn thats some good shit

I look at this this way

Like I said couple days back.. This team is 2-3 more drafts away from being complete.. "on paper anyways"

Ya cant fix everything in one draft

The reason I'm so high on McFadden is a serious one

Forget whether we draft Dorsey and this defense is doing good

If Javon Walker goes down, and the uncertainty of whether or not Fargas can complete 16 games and the fact we have Kwame Harris at LT scares the piss outta me.

Not so much what our record might be

Look, Imma give it to you fellas straight

If JaMarcus has no one to throw to and Domici Rhodes in the backfield

This could set this franchise back another 10 years. This year is absoluetly essential we make serious progress.

If Russell gets rattled and running for his life because WR's cant get open and we cant run the ball. We're in some serious shit

The media's gonna rip this team a new ass... I'm telling you right now

The Hall trade, the so-called overspending, the Russell pick...

The media is gonna rip this team and its gonna absoluetly collapse

Al Davis cannot afford this to happen

McFadden to me gives us the best chance to win games than any other player in this draft... including Dorsey.

We have got to start winning games and getting some positive props.. Look.. You really think the media or most dipshit fans are gonna wanna see a 10-7 Raider win? Hell no

What they wanna see on sunday nights are highlights of McFadden busting out 60 yard TD's, and with a win.. will get more positive spin and airtime than a Raiders 6-3 win

McFadden is a complete weapon, he can block, catch throw and man does this cat hit the hole fast!

JaMarcus Russell needs all the weapons Al can give him, because if he struggles because we cant throw or run and we end up winning 5-6 games

This team is gonna fold

Totally agree.

We could very easily have an offense full a gimps next year. In fact, I think it's likley that at least one or two a those guys you mentioned go down.

This team isn't one complete side of the ball from contending. IMO McFadden is clearly the superior talent where we pick. Where this roster's at BPA is most appropriate... lets build with the best players, bar none, we can get. If we do that, by the time we're ready to bust some heads with the best in the league, we'll be a far more talented and complete team than if we reach for a lesser talent to fill a need, or hurry and try and complete the defense.

We need to spread the love alittle. Al's been blowing Ryan all offseason.... time to show Kiff alittle ass.

[hawaiianboy]

What insult? I was trying to encourage the boy to improve.

Throw in a couple of more "jackasses" and "nancyboys" and it would be a page straight out of my old man's "How to Raise and Nuture your Sons into well adjusted Young Men" handbook...

[BigTron]

Throw in a couple of more "jackasses" and "nancyboys" and it would be a page straight out of my old man's "How to Raise and Nuture your Sons into well adjusted Young Men" handbook...

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!:pound:

[Crow]

Throw in a couple of more "jackasses" and "nancyboys" and it would be a page straight out of my old man's "How to Raise and Nuture your Sons into well adjusted Young Men" handbook...

If I can raise him to be half the man you are, I'll feel as though I've done a good job at this fatherhood thing. ;)