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As per PFT (I know, I know) it should be a done deal today.
I love the backpedaling they have though:
'Despite rumblings of an offseason overhaul, and juicier reports this should be about the only significant coaching change' :rolleyes:
So much for Kiffin out and Ryan-Lofton as co-HC's hey?
Link:http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/06/lofton-finally-a-done-deal/
Well, with any luck, Lofton won't hinder our WRs' development. I don't envision him doing much in the way of helping it, though.
LOFTON FINALLY A DONE DEAL
A league source tells us that the Raiders have finalized the hiring of former Chargers receivers coach James Lofton. The Hall of Fame wideout, who twice interviewed for the head-coaching job in Oakland, will serve only as the receivers coach. The hiring likely will be announced later today, tomorrow at the latest.
Current receivers coach Charles Coe is expected to be reassigned, possibly to a position not on the coaching staff.
Per the source, and contrary to far juicier reports that the move was made without the knowledge or involvement of head coach Lane Kiffin, Kiffin was involved in the interview and hiring process.
The addition of Lofton fills all of the major positions on the coaching staff, and results in a much less significant offseason shake-up than some had expected.
There were signs, for example, of a potential offensive overhaul, amid reports that the team had requested permission to interview former Redskins associate head coach-offense Al Saunders. As we hear it, however, permission never was sought to speak with Saunders. Instead, the issue arose only after the Redskins sought permission to speak with a member of the Raiders’ staff, presumably for the offensive coordinator position in D.C. In response, the Raiders mentioned that, if the coach in question had been hired by the Redskins, the Raiders might then be interested in Saunders.
Moreover, the Raiders didn’t pursue Saunders after he was fired by the Redskins.
Langlier
02-06-2008, 01:09 PM
Well, with any luck, Lofton won't hinder our WRs' development. I don't envision him doing much in the way of helping it, though.
i think we'll all be surprised what lofton can do with competant WRs. The crap he had to go through in SD was pretty awful.
Guy made Reche Caldwell and Eric Parker more then marginal WRs...
TommyGirl
02-06-2008, 01:19 PM
Now, let's see if Kiffin announces it. If he does, I'll feel much more at ease.
Well, with any luck, Lofton won't hinder our WRs' development. I don't envision him doing much in the way of helping it, though.
What has Lofton ever done to make you think he's incompetent?
He had a big hand in developing Jackson, Gates and Parker.
I like it better than having Charles Coe in here.
At least we have a veteran who's played in the league and had a hand in
developing some players.
Madturk
02-06-2008, 02:05 PM
I agree. If anything maybe it will set the old man at ease a bit for hiring an alumni. Now we just have to wait to see how the Wash hiring goes to breathe a collective sigh of relief. Best case scenario is that they hire Fassel so we don't have to hear his name resurface for the Raider gig again. Mooch would never coach here.
Madturk
02-06-2008, 04:39 PM
From PFT, FWIW
Through it all, Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that Jim Fassel is still the favorite for the gig, and we agree. In our view, the entire exercise of interviewing other candidates is aimed at allowing Snyder and Cerrato to claim that the organization performed its due diligence before deciding that the otherwise disregarded Fassel is the right man for the job. :D
What has Lofton ever done to make you think he's incompetent?
He had a big hand in developing Jackson, Gates and Parker.
I like it better than having Charles Coe in here.
At least we have a veteran who's played in the league and had a hand in
developing some players.
A WR coach developed a TE, eh? That's new.
What has Vincent Jackson ever done other than not live up to his potential?
What has Lofton ever done to make anyone think he's not incompetent?
We don't have anyone with Jackson's natural talent, so it's not as though Lofton suddenly finds himself in a better situation.
BigTron
02-07-2008, 05:13 AM
What did Lofton ever do to you. Vincent Jackson has only started like 23 games? He has 70+ catches 1,000 + yards and like 10 TD's. He wasnt a really high draft pick was he? I mean they have had a TE who they get the ball to when they arent handing it to LT. They also have a had young QB's. Besides its not like their offense is having trouble. They just are a team that runs the ball and throws primarily to the TE. I dont think thats a reflection of Lofton. Besides the WR's looked great towards the end of the season. Jackson and Chambers beasted in the playoffs.
Raidermania12
02-07-2008, 05:39 AM
Jackson and Chambers beasted in the playoffs.
Chambers was already "beasted" before he crossed Lofton's path and imo no matter where Jackson was picked, he already had the physical attributes to perform where he's at. With one 100 yards receiving game all year, Vincent Jackson is not elite and his performance in his career does nothing to make me believe that Lofton is anything special. Just sounds like alot of excuses for Lofton to me. I think he's a very very irrelevent hire, and that we really need to hire high level WR talent this offseason if he's our WR coach.
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Chambers was already "beasted" before he crossed Lofton's path and imo no matter where Jackson was picked, he already had the physical attributes to perform where he's at. With one 100 yards receiving game all year, Vincent Jackson is not elite and his performance in his career does nothing to make me believe that Lofton is anything special. Just sounds like alot of excuses for Lofton to me. I think he's a very very irrelevent hire, and that we really need to hire high level WR talent this offseason if he's our WR coach.
BigTron
02-07-2008, 06:55 AM
Your right San Diego's offense was terrible and they didnt rely on the recievers with great success when LT went down... did you watch the playoffs this year? The Wr's for SD carried the team. And you credit Lofton for shitty WR's like Parker and Caldwell but he gets no credit when a good receiver like Chambers does well in SD. You cant have it both ways. They gave him very little to work with talent wise before Chambers and didnt throw the ball very much because LT was breaking records. Besides if your gonna throw that many passes to Gates and LT then there are only so many left for your WR's, especially from weak armed Rivers who doesnt stretch the field well. Im not making excuse because SD has scored more points than we dream of, and he is coming from a run happy offense that works. Thems just the facts, not excuses. I dont pretend to know how good of a coach he is, or will be. I dont think its a bad hire. He was a HC candidate not long ago, now he's a bad WR coach. Laughable mayne.
P.s Whats with the V.Jack man crush on this board. He has alot of talent but if Al Davis picked him you'd cry about production and football skills. Impossible...
CrossBones
02-07-2008, 07:15 AM
Well we're gonna see if Lofton can coach WR's or not. IMO in SD he really didn't have to do too much. Not so here. Our WR group isn't exactly stellar. Porter is likely gone. Curry regressed and has the dropsies. Higgins is a POS (IMO)...Madsen? What have we really got there? McVoy? Tim Dwight? :shakehead:
All aboard for the Jack's Chad Johnson jihad.
Edit: Don't forget that Lofton might still end up our HC. Just a thought.
Raidermania12
02-07-2008, 08:42 AM
Your right San Diego's offense was terrible and they didnt rely on the recievers with great success when LT went down
So your theory is the WR suckage was LT's fault? Good luck with that. If the WR's were consistently worth a damn there would be no Chris Chambers trade. And when you talk about them, dont count Chambers because he's a proven talent in the first place.
did you watch the playoffs this year?
Did you watch the whole season? :confused: one 100 yard receiving game all year only if you count the playoffs for the whole core, and i'm being hard on Jackson and the Lofton crew(again you're kidding yourself if you count chambers to that)????
P.s Whats with the V.Jack man crush on this board. He has alot of talent but if Al Davis picked him you'd cry about production and football skills. Impossible...
Actually he's average-slightly above average(at best close to Porters average-slightly above average territory) and his stats reflect that. Dont know whose mancrushing him.
The Wr's for SD carried the team. And you credit Lofton for shitty WR's like Parker and Caldwell but he gets no credit when a good receiver like Chambers does well in SD.
They carried the team all year? on a 3 game span you're trying to endorse Lofton as if the years of futility dont count. And no he gets no credit when a proven vet plays like he's always played long before joining lofton's core. Also Craig Davis wasnt a bum prospect coming out of college, so i dont get this "all he has to work with is bums".. Athletic wr's in great shape are only bums if you cant get them to consistently put it to use. comes back to the coach imo. I credit Lofton for every WR in that core not named chambers, and thats fair. Whether you like it or not.
You cant have it both ways.
No you can't. He cant be great for being around a guy who already got his coaching on how to run routes and make plays(Chambers, MCCardell), and get credit for that while all the young guys who are his responsibility get blamed for their stunted growth as he basks in his false belief that he accomplished something.
They gave him very little to work with talent wise before Chambers and didnt throw the ball very much because LT was breaking records. Besides if your gonna throw that many passes to Gates and LT then there are only so many left for your WR's, especially from weak armed Rivers who doesnt stretch the field well.
So its everyone else who is at fault. Damn that Gates, and that weak armed fuck Phillip Rivers. How dare he put the ball right on VJ's hands rather than in his chest. Its all obvious now!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes: LT is hurting that team, trade him.
Im not making excuse because SD has scored more points than we dream of, and he is coming from a run happy offense that works.
Your penis envy of the chargers offense is a whole other topic. Lofton doesnt run the offense or calls the plays. I'm hoping to all that I love and know that you arent under such a bad assumption that he is.
Thems just the facts, not excuses.
In his world sure.
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I dont pretend to know how good of a coach he is, or will be.
Could've fooled me. It looks like you're pretty sure he got rammed by weak armed qb's, greedy TE's, and RB's hogging all the possessions.
I dont think its a bad hire. He was a HC candidate not long ago, now he's a bad WR coach. Laughable mayne.
In raiderland being considered for a HC vacancy doesnt make you legit(see art shell). So again good luck pushing that. Sorry you find reality so funny mayne. :(
Raider Bill
02-07-2008, 09:15 AM
http://pages.prodigy.net/pizzabagel/_images/Bizarro.jpg
:pound:
BigTron
02-07-2008, 10:15 AM
To the guy who mentioned my penis and then showed me a picture of another guy in tights...
Gates and LT work great for the SD offense. You can talk about my penis all you want just because I reconize that, thats your personal lifestyle choice. When they were hurt in the playoffs they went somewhere else for production, the WR's. And they CARRIED THE TEAM
If you have the best TE and RB in the game and you score a shitload of points on teams why the fuck would you stop giving them the ball and change your offense? They were HIGHLY succesful without using the WR's alot. That doesnt mean that Lofton is a bad coach.
Davis was a draft pick this season so whats your point? Is he suppose to be an all pro already or is he like almost every other rookie WR?
McCardell was on the downside of his career. And Chambers didnt stink when he came to SD, so Lofton must not being doing as terrible of a job as you think, or those guys wouldn't have produced.
If the WR's are so bad (or important) to SD how the hell did Phillip Rivers make a pro-bowl?
Stop acting like you have ever seen Lofon coach or have any real clue as to what kind of a coach he is. It ridiculous, dont be an internet blowhard. Just like when you defended Moss, stop enforcing your word like its law.
How does a guy go from a HC candidate to not being worthy of a WR coach position on our team with no WR's? How does Al Davis make a great hire of Lane "Coach from god" Kiffin but miss so terrible on Lofton? Seriously...
Stop taking every comment i make and turning it into. Phillip Rivers has the weakest arm of all time and Greedy Gates and trade LT. Dont twist my words around to help your arguement. Make your own. I never once mentioned trading LT, thats an example of how far you take it.
raiderfreak7
02-07-2008, 11:11 AM
No you can't. He cant be great for being around a guy who already got his coaching on how to run routes and make plays(Chambers, MCCardell), and get credit for that while all the young guys who are his responsibility get blamed for their stunted growth as he basks in his false belief that he accomplished something.
In his world sure.
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To be fair, Chambers called Lofton the best wide receivers coach hes ever had and said that he's helped him alot in the short time they were together. And for how often Gates is split out wide I'd be damn surprised if Lofton doesn't help him out.
Props for that picture! Especially since I just watched a Bizzaro Smallville episode a couple days ago.
A WR coach developed a TE, eh? That's new.
Seriously?
Use your brain, Crow. Where do you think Gates spent most of his time?
He is glorified wide receiver, whose blocking skills are below average.
I'd be willing to wager his time was spent running routes and doing ball skill drills, more than in line blocking.
Its not a crazy concept. Watch the senior bowl and see how much time the TE's spent running routes with the WR's. I would fully assume they spend time doing the same in the NFL.
What has Vincent Jackson ever done other than not live up to his potential?
How bout dominate 3 playoff games? Emerging as a top tier wide receiver with great hands and good speed? 18 catches, 300+ yards and a couple TDs against 3 of the best defenses in the AFC?
I'd say his time is arriving soon, if it hasnt already.
What has Lofton ever done to make anyone think he's not incompetent?
Stick with me here, I know forums can get a little quick for you...
I'll repeat: He's helped develop Jackson, Parker, Gates and he got a ton out of McCardell over the years too. His resume trumps anything we have had in the last 3 years.
We don't have anyone with Jackson's natural talent, so it's not as though Lofton suddenly finds himself in a better situation.
Porter is 6-2 220. Went in the second round. Similiar 40 times and vertical.
Definitely looks like Lofton will end up getting more out of Jackson...
Rupert
02-07-2008, 12:46 PM
Seriously?
Use your brain, Crow. Where do you think Gates spent most of his time?
He is glorified wide receiver, whose blocking skills are below average.
I'd be willing to wager his time was spent running routes and doing ball skill drills, more than in line blocking.
Its not a crazy concept. Watch the senior bowl and see how much time the TE's spent running routes with the WR's. I would fully assume they spend time doing the same in the NFL.
News flash! Those were NFL coaching staffs doing NFL-style practices. Get used to it. TE's get coached by the WR coach and OL coach, and a TE coach who helps put it all together for them. TE's don't run off with the TE coach and practice blocking and catching, that is just ridiculous thinking. Glad you didn't suggest it.
News flash! Those were NFL coaching staffs doing NFL-style practices. Get used to it. TE's get coached by the WR coach and OL coach, and a TE coach who helps put it all together for them. TE's don't run off with the TE coach and practice blocking and catching, that is just ridiculous thinking. Glad you didn't suggest it.
I think you quoted the wrong guy Rupe.
I stated that Lofton had a big hand in developing Gates.
Read it again.
Byron2112
02-07-2008, 02:39 PM
I don't know that Lofton's work as a coach is all that impressive...
He could probably help us most by suiting up and taking some snaps.
Rupert
02-07-2008, 03:11 PM
I think you quoted the wrong guy Rupe.
I stated that Lofton had a big hand in developing Gates.
Read it again.
Note the "Glad you didn't suggest it." at the end? I knew what you wrote. I was piling on.
Note the "Glad you didn't suggest it." at the end? I knew what you wrote. I was piling on.
Ah.
Took me a minute.
Its been a long day at work. ;)
S and B Executioner
02-07-2008, 08:31 PM
Well we're gonna see if Lofton can coach WR's or not. IMO in SD he really didn't have to do too much. Not so here. Our WR group isn't exactly stellar. Porter is likely gone. Curry regressed and has the dropsies. Higgins is a POS (IMO)...Madsen? What have we really got there? McVoy? Tim Dwight? :shakehead:
All aboard for the Jack's Chad Johnson jihad.
Edit: Don't forget that Lofton might still end up our HC. Just a thought.
Lofton IS our new head coach!! He has been in the running twice, now al has his perfect puppet.
2-14 next year boys. Al continues to cut his noe of to spite his face. Fuckin joke!!
Your right San Diego's offense was terrible and they didnt rely on the recievers with great success when LT went down... did you watch the playoffs this year? The Wr's for SD carried the team. And you credit Lofton for shitty WR's like Parker and Caldwell but he gets no credit when a good receiver like Chambers does well in SD. You cant have it both ways.
Of course you can. Lofton had nothing to do with Chambers' development. What Chambers did in the playoffs cannot be credited to Lofton. To suggest otherwise is to blatantly misrepresent the facts in order to prop Lofton up as a viable position coach.
They gave him very little to work with talent wise before Chambers and didnt throw the ball very much because LT was breaking records. Besides if your gonna throw that many passes to Gates and LT then there are only so many left for your WR's, especially from weak armed Rivers who doesnt stretch the field well. Im not making excuse
Yeah, I think you really are.
I dont pretend to know how good of a coach he is, or will be.
Judging by the fact his unit has been pretty unimpressive prior to trading for a veteran receiver, it's an easy assumption to make that he's not exactly a great option. But, Al likes him. That's all that matters.
I'd say that also makes me think a lot less of him. Al tends to cling to people who really have no future. Lofton doesn't exactly find himself in a very promising group here.
I dont think its a bad hire. He was a HC candidate not long ago, now he's a bad WR coach. Laughable mayne.
He's a Rooney Rule interview, not an actual HC candidate. Let's keep things honest.
P.s Whats with the V.Jack man crush on this board. He has alot of talent but if Al Davis picked him you'd cry about production and football skills. Impossible...
That's the point. He is a naturally gifted athlete. Someone Lofton should have developed into a player by now. That hasn't happened. I'm guessing this is one of the failures that led to his dismissal.
Developing raw talent is like sculpting with clay. If I give you the raw material (clay), and the best you can make out of it is a big round ball, you're not much of a sculptor. Make me a god damn ash tray or something. Shit.
I'm not expecting a sculpture that would make Michelangelo say "Now that's a nice piece." But after 3 or 4 years, it'd be nice to see that the blob of clay I had given you wasn't still just a blob of clay.
Seriously?
Use your brain, Crow. Where do you think Gates spent most of his time?
He is glorified wide receiver, whose blocking skills are below average.
Then blame his position coach for his iffy blocking. Giving Lofton credit for this guy is a stretch.
You do realize that TE and WR aren't the same thing, right?
Charlie Garner split out a lot when he was here. I don't recall anyone trying to give Freddie B. any credit for his talent.
I'd be willing to wager his time was spent running routes and doing ball skill drills, more than in line blocking.
And as soon as you can produce some evidence of this, including something that ties Lofton into the equation, we'll talk.
Its not a crazy concept.
No, it's not. But it is baseless.
The Bolts do use a TEs coach. Stands to reason that he's the guy coaching the TEs. Call me crazy, but that just makes sense to me.
Watch the senior bowl and see how much time the TE's spent running routes with the WR's. I would fully assume they spend time doing the same in the NFL.
Because, surely, scouting rookie prospects is the same as coaching professional athletes.
How bout dominate 3 playoff games? Emerging as a top tier wide receiver with great hands and good speed? 18 catches, 300+ yards and a couple TDs against 3 of the best defenses in the AFC?
I'd say his time is arriving soon, if it hasnt already.
And those defenses focusing on Chambers, not to mention the ground game, had nothing to do with Jackson suddenly becoming viable? Interesting. Unrealistic, but interesting.
Stick with me here, I know forums can get a little quick for you...
Especially when certain people with James Bond fetishes type a lot without making a valid point. Reading a whole lot of nothing can indeed be time consuming.
I'll repeat: He's helped develop Jackson, Parker, Gates and he got a ton out of McCardell over the years too. His resume trumps anything we have had in the last 3 years.
Show me something, anything, that suggests he had anything to do with Gates development. I don't care how much time a TE spends split out wide, he's still not a WR.
Are you seriously trying to hold Keenen McCardell up as a James Lofton success story? I hope you're joking. Are we also crediting Fred Biletnikoff for Jerry Rice and Andre Rison as well? That's absolutely silly, on a Monty Python level, to even suggest.
"Repeat" yourself all you like. You're saying nothing.
Porter is 6-2 220. Went in the second round. Similiar 40 times and vertical.
Definitely looks like Lofton will end up getting more out of Jackson...
Obviously not, since he's no longer being trusted to develop Jackson. He failed, and has thus been punted. Happens to position coaches every year.
And we're comparing two underachieving WRs because why?
I'm not even sure how or why this hire warrants so much chatter. It's most likely a lateral move and means nothing in the grand scheme of things, other than the fact that we don't have to go outside the organization to appease the Rooney Rule once Kiffin is jettisoned...and that we likely now know who his successor will be. Al must really love those top 10 draft picks. He seems to be going out of his way to ensure that we get one every year now.
Stick with me here, I know forums can get a little quick for you...
Ah.
Took me a minute.
Its been a long day at work. ;)
Ahem. A little too quick for whom, my dear boy? :cool:
News flash! Those were NFL coaching staffs doing NFL-style practices. Get used to it. TE's get coached by the WR coach and OL coach, and a TE coach who helps put it all together for them. TE's don't run off with the TE coach and practice blocking and catching, that is just ridiculous thinking. Glad you didn't suggest it.
Glad you're opening up to the concept of ridiculous thinking. Maybe now you'll be less inclined to share your own. :)
Again, as Rupert pointed out: Senior Bowl practices are actually run like NFL practices. The TE's spent more time with the WR coaches doing WR drill's than they did doing one on ones against a DE.
Don't take it from me though. I actually watch, record and give my own opinion. I dont spout of what all the draft sites say and pretend Im an expert. ;)
Comparing Garner catching passes to a TE who averages 70 and 1000 every year? Weak game. Im used to it from you though.
If you don't think Lofton had a hand in developing Jackson or Gates, thats fine. Wrong, but fine.
He had a hand in Jackson's lack of development. Gates? I highly doubt it. But, hey. You've got tape of Chargers practice, so what do I know? Maybe the Pats will have a job for you in their film department.
Speaking of pretending to be experts, you and Rupert make a nice couple. Any time I disagree with you two, I know I'm onto something.
TommyGirl
02-08-2008, 03:05 AM
I, for one, am pretty sick of reading this argument. You guys are like pit bulls, and I think we're all well aware of where you stand on how the tight ends are coached. So what? To my knowledge, Lofton isn't going to be coaching the Raiders tight ends, so this isn't really a point, IMO.
I have no opinion on Lofton's signing at all. However, I think we've all commented on the lack of talent the Chargers had at the position until Chambers came last year. I'm willing to give Lofton a bye until I see better. How quickly we forget that they were coached by Freddie not so long ago and I didn't see anybody complaining about him being Al's puppet or that he was a has-been. It could work, and I'm not going to sit here and think that Lofton is doomed before I even know, let alone spend days arguing about it. Of course I'm worried about the production of the wide receivers, but I'm equally worried about the lack of viable receivers if somebody doesn't seriously step up.
Aside from that, if you've been a Raiders fan for any amount of time, you're going to have to learn to live with Al wanting to hire former players for open coaching positions. It's been that way from the get-go. It's not going to change. You don't have to like it, but I don't see much point in rehashing the same crap day after day, let alone stooping to calling each other stupid or idiotic. People should be able to express their opinions and disagreements without making it personal.
Let's move on.
CrossBones
02-08-2008, 05:28 AM
I, for one, am pretty sick of reading this argument. You guys are like pit bulls, and I think we're all well aware of where you stand on how the tight ends are coached. So what? To my knowledge, Lofton isn't going to be coaching the Raiders tight ends, so this isn't really a point, IMO. No kidding.
I have no opinion on Lofton's signing at all. However, I think we've all commented on the lack of talent the Chargers had at the position until Chambers came last year. I'm willing to give Lofton a bye until I see better. How quickly we forget that they were coached by Freddie not so long ago and I didn't see anybody complaining about him being Al's puppet or that he was a has-been. It could work, and I'm not going to sit here and think that Lofton is doomed before I even know, let alone spend days arguing about it. Of course I'm worried about the production of the wide receivers, but I'm equally worried about the lack of viable receivers if somebody doesn't seriously step up.While I loved Freddy B. as much as the next Raiders fan he wasn't much of a coach. Our WR's never developed much under Biletnikoff and that's a fact. As for Lofton, who the fuck is Charlie Coe anyway? What exactly did that guy do to help our WR's. Curry suddenly couldn't catch the ball and Porter well -- meh. Lofton looks to be an upgrade as a position coach to me.
Aside from that, if you've been a Raiders fan for any amount of time, you're going to have to learn to live with Al wanting to hire former players for open coaching positions. It's been that way from the get-go. It's not going to change. You don't have to like it, but I don't see much point in rehashing the same crap day after day, let alone stooping to calling each other stupid or idiotic. People should be able to express their opinions and disagreements without making it personal.
Let's move on.Amen.
REP to Teeg.
You're such a butt kisser.
How quickly we forget that they were coached by Freddie not so long ago and I didn't see anybody complaining about him being Al's puppet or that he was a has-been.
You didn't?
Aside from that, if you've been a Raiders fan for any amount of time, you're going to have to learn to live with Al wanting to hire former players for open coaching positions. It's been that way from the get-go. It's not going to change.
Even more reason to anxiously await his expiration.
Let's move on.
Yes ma'am.
Raider Bill
02-08-2008, 06:40 AM
Lofton's firing had more to do with Turner not wanting his replacement on the staff than anything IMO.
Fucking Norv Turner has that kinda juice with SD?.. I love it!
TommyGirl
02-08-2008, 06:58 AM
You're such a butt kisser.
I'm assuming that's not referring to me.
You didn't?For pages? No.
Even more reason to anxiously await his expiration.Your opinion on that has also been well-documented. Enough beating me over the head with it. I get it. Just so everybody's clear on this:
Crow thinks Al Davis is the devil incarnate and cannot wait for him to die.
Now can we PLEASE move on from that as well?
Raider Bill
02-08-2008, 07:01 AM
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I'll move on when Al does. ;)
Lofton's firing had more to do with Turner not wanting his replacement on the staff than anything IMO.
Fucking Norv Turner has that kinda juice with SD?.. I love it!
I very seriously doubt this is the case. Lofton is hardly a serious HC candidate.
CrossBones
02-08-2008, 07:07 AM
I'm assuming that's not referring to me.
For pages? No.
Your opinion on that has also been well-documented. Enough beating me over the head with it. I get it. Just so everybody's clear on this:
Crow thinks Al Davis is the devil incarnate and cannot wait for him to die.
Now can we PLEASE move on from that as well?TG will be our first AFCW Moderator very shortly. :D
http://www.sawubona.co.za/ecards/images/1109592389itchy1.gifHahahha...Your new avatar is attached Bill. :D
Raider Bill
02-08-2008, 07:10 AM
I believe I've seen Stepper rockin that avitar over at the orangelame board.
Raider Nation
02-08-2008, 07:12 AM
I have to say it's kind of nice to not have to police a messge board. I'm free to go from thread to thread and repeat the same argument over and over again, hijack topics, point out hb's flaws, call TNS a beanpole, and blow kisses at Teeg. I never knew this could be so liberating!
CrossBones
02-08-2008, 07:14 AM
I have to say it's kind of nice to not have to police a messge board. I'm free to go from thread to thread and repeat the same argument over and over again, hijack topics, point out hb's flaws, call TNS a beanpole, and blow kisses at Teeg. I never knew this could be so liberating!Now that was uncalled for. I'll report this post to TG now. :pound:
TG can't be a mod. What do girls know about modding?
TommyGirl
02-08-2008, 08:45 AM
I'm not modding. You guys are just pissing me off. I don't come here to read senseless bickering, particularly when it's the same thing over and over. That's why I left KFFL.
TommyGirl
02-08-2008, 08:49 AM
I believe I've seen Stepper rockin that avitar over at the orangelame board.
See? Stepper's so tired of your sorry asses that he's wearing orange and blue now. You've lost one of your brethren.
Abelardo
02-08-2008, 08:49 AM
I'm not modding. You guys are just pissing me off. I don't come here to read senseless bickering, particularly when it's the same thing over and over. That's why I left KFFL.
You're fine here. Don't pay too much attention to the taliban section of the forum.
Raider Bill
02-08-2008, 09:14 AM
See? Stepper's so tired of your sorry asses that he's wearing orange and blue now. You've lost one of your brethren.
Na, he's been over there for years.
And if you think there's bickering here, go hang out on the Mane for a while. That place is a zoo.
Speaking of pretending to be experts, you and Rupert make a nice couple. Any time I disagree with you two, I know I'm onto something.
We disagree with you, because you are always wrong.
Nothing more to it. ;)
CrossBones
02-08-2008, 10:28 AM
We disagree with you, because you are always wrong.
Nothing more to it. ;)Actually I don't think Crow is wrong much. Maybe the delivery is wrong sometimes but I'm just sayin'.
Talk about making yourself feel dirty. ;)
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