Manningham staying in school

[Jack's sore libido]

Per ESPN.

I wonder if this makes DeSean Jackson's stock rise a bit.

[hawaiianboy]

This is a little shocking considering the lack of top end receivers in this class... Maybe this allows a guy like Devin Thomas to move into the #2 spot with a good workout...

[BigTron]

Coach R's first good move! Attitude or not, dude is a hell of a playmaker. There goes my Rnd 2 Jihad.

[Deadbolt]

I like that dude Bess (?) from Hawaii. Any idea where he's supposed to go?

[Crow]

Good move for him. Maybe he'll grow up between now and next April...and maybe even develop another trick.

[hawaiianboy]

I like that dude Bess (?) from Hawaii. Any idea where he's supposed to go?


He got a second round grade from the advisory committee... More quick than fast and probably suited to a slot/under coverage role... I think you could argue that what Wes Welker and Mike Furrey have done is going to benefit these type of players on draft day... Fantastic hands.... Oakland kid as well, I believe...

[Jack's sore libido]

Bess has cool hair.

Isn't Johnnie Lee supposed to be our future Welker?

[Rupert]

Good move for him. Maybe he'll grow up between now and next April...and maybe even develop another trick.
I think he's heard the mixed reviews and knows his stock is not as high as it could be. It's a good move to show more professionalism than he has to this point (and I don't mean taking cash).

[007]

If Manningham has another big year, he's a top 15 pick, and with many of the top juniors coming out this year (Hardy, Bess, Devin Thomas, Uruttia, Taj Smith) and Desean Jackson rumored to be leaving...

Smart move, IMO.

[Crow]

I think he's heard the mixed reviews and knows his stock is not as high as it could be. It's a good move to show more professionalism than he has to this point (and I don't mean taking cash).

The Scott Wright spin on him is that he's a shitty route runner with hot & cold hands. A "one trick pony who doesn't perform that one trick as well as he gets credit for"...or something to that effect.

Personally, I put Michigan WRs in the same category as Gator and SC WRs. Braylon Edwards was a superior enough talent to overcome his choice of program. Manningham is no Edwards.

[007]

Edwards is arguably the best young WR in the AFC...I doubt many come out with his skillset in a 10 year span. (I can only think of Andre Johnson and CJ)

Saying he's no Edwards, is like saying Calais Campbell is no Mario Williams...

A solid senior year gets him at the top of round one and he knows it.

[BigTron]

Mario isnt a bad route runner. Mr.Scotty Wright is off one that one IMO. He does drop too many passes tho. He is smooth and catches the ball well in traffic tho. Wont go over the middle or be a team captain...

[Crow]

Drops and fear of getting hit pretty much eliminate him from most teams "top of round one" draft boards, I would suspect.

And the point of the Braylon Edwards comment, that I suspect most people caught, was that Michigan WRs almost always turn to dogshit in the pros. Edwards, despite his iffy hands coming out, had enough natural talent to overcome being a Wolverine WR. Manningham, IMO, doesn't.

[Jack's sore libido]

Amani Toomer's been pretty good.

[Crow]

Reaching back a decade just to find a single good Michigan WR.

I rest my case.

[BigTron]

Reaching back a decade just to find a single good Michigan WR.

I rest my case.

Its more of a QB school. So it blows up the #'s. Now that they are running the spread i expect it will change.

[Jack's sore libido]

Reaching back a decade just to find a single good Michigan WR.

I rest my case.

I never liked those arguments because the percentages work against any school at any position.

People used to say Florida State couldn't put a good WR in the league because guys like Kez McCorvey and E.G. Green and Ron Dugans lit up college ball but didn't become stars in the NFL. But then Javon Walker, Laveranues Coles and Anquan Boldin got to the league and did their thing.

Point is, it's pretty freaking hard to become a star in the NFL. There are only so many of them. So what's the likelihood that too many are going to come from the same school?

Just because David Terrell and Marquise Walker were busts, doesn't mean Michigan can't put a WR in the league. If Manningham turns out to be a good player, well that will be 3 of UM's last 9 drafted receivers (conservatively, considering Breaston and Avant are too young to judge and Tai Streets was credible but not good) that have been good NFL players.

[007]

The whole 'school argument' is silly and tired.

PSU runningbacks, FSU wideouts, Michigan wideouts, Tedford QB's...

Players make it or break it depending on their own talent and work ethic, combined with coaching.

Schools usually play little part unless they are in some gimmick offense.

[BigTron]

The whole 'school argument' is silly and tired.

PSU runningbacks, FSU wideouts, Michigan wideouts, Tedford QB's...

Players make it or break it depending on their own talent and work ethic, combined with coaching.

Schools usually play little part unless they are in some gimmick offense.

I agree with that for the most part. The one thing is sometimes players go to schools because they have rich tradition at a specific position. Like a really good QB would feel comfartable going to Michigan, and RB USC, and Safety at Miami etc. There is connection there IMO.

[Rupert]

I agree with that for the most part. The one thing is sometimes players go to schools because they have rich tradition at a specific position. Like a really good QB would feel comfartable going to Michigan, and RB USC, and Safety at Miami etc. There is connection there IMO.

That only works if the school is stable and has a consistent coaching approach. What do you say of schools who constantly change coaches? You can't say anything, they keep changing direction. When a school commits to a direction and hires coaches who support and build it, then you can get a handle on their talent.

Want to bet that any of the recent Nebraska OL are worth much? How much did Callahan work with them? We know for sure they're not the big, country-strong, corn-fed maulers they used to be when they ran the ball most of the time. And they couldn't recruit NFL caliber QB's for their QB-centered offense because of their history as a RB-centered offense. QB's still go to PAC-10 schools to develop because of how PAC-10 schools recruit (more heavily on offense). The SEC is known for its defense, so top-ranked QB's go elsewhere.

None of the history determines how players turn out, but it does determine where H.S. players look to go. Will Nebraska become a haven for one-cut bangers again? Could be.

[Crow]

The whole 'school argument' is silly and tired.

PSU runningbacks, FSU wideouts, Michigan wideouts, Tedford QB's...

Players make it or break it depending on their own talent and work ethic, combined with coaching.

Schools usually play little part unless they are in some gimmick offense.

Last Penn State RB to succeed prior to Larry Johnson was...

Last Tedford QB to not suck ass was...


Just sayin'.

[007]

Last Penn State RB to succeed prior to Larry Johnson was...

Tony Hunt doesnt suck ass. He has a bright future and needs an opportunity to show his power running style. Why don't we see how he does first...


Last Tedford QB to not suck ass was...


Hmm.

Dilfer, Boller, Rodgers, Harrington, Volek and Feeley are all Tedford products, and most are still playing in the league after many years. Some have potential to start on a few teams ...

Can you name ONE coach on the collegiate level with that much success grooming any single position better for the Pro's? (Including getting 5 QB's drafted in round one)

I didnt think so, but keep talking out your ass, like usual.