View Full Version : OT Tom Brady - Holy Crap!
I know, everyone here hates Brady. I just don't care.
Over 4000 yds, 45 TDs and only 5 INTs??????? Are you fucking kidding me?? And tack on 2 more rushing TDs.
Remember this: He has 3 games left to play. If he can throw for bout 350 yds/game he'll break Marino's single-season yardage record.
I've never seen anything like this. an 8:1 TD to INT ratio?? How in the FUCK does an NFL quarterback do that in this day and age when 2:1 is above average?
His team is 13-0. He can make history by winning his remaining 3 utterly winnable games.
He has 3 games left to make history by destroying Manning's TD record.
A 123 rating. If he ends wit that, is that a record too? He can make history there.
He won 3 Super Bowls with mediocre WRs. Now he's the best I've ever seen with Moss, Stallworth and Welker. Hell, he doesn't even have a running game to lean on anymore. 9 total rushing attempts against PIT.
I have a feeling by the end of the ppostseason he's going to replace Montana as the greatest of all-time on the list in my head. Sorry, I know this isn't something Raiders fans want to recognize. But to me it's an obvious reality. Not only do I legitimately compare him to Montana in most ways, but I say Brady has a better arm than Joe did, and I believe he's a bit bigger. He's like Joe+.
Rupert
12-10-2007, 01:35 PM
That TD:INT ratio is 9:1, so... even more impressive?
That TD:INT ratio is 9:1, so... even more impressive?Heh...
I knew that.
:o
hawaiianboy
12-10-2007, 01:50 PM
Brady gets my vote for most blessed bastard walking the planet... Hollywood looks, Super Bowl QB, hollowing out actresses and supermodels... The guy is living every little boy's dream...
He's definitely dialed in, has an O-line that is playing lights out and has a coach walking around with a chip on his shoulder wanting to drive every point down with a ball peen hammer.... That equals an amazing season.... I still don't know why they don't go no huddle full time, though I think that's coming in playoff games... The only thing I can see stopping them is having one of those severe weather New England snow games against a team like the Jags that can run the ball, limit turnovers and punch you in the mouth on defense...
I mentioned it in the other thread, but it sure looks like the Pats are running an offense very similar to the Run and Shoot at times... :eek:
I hate Tom brady and refuse to say anything nice about him.
Go Peyton.
Madturk
12-10-2007, 02:31 PM
I want to see the Pats go 16-0 and get knocked out in the first round of the playoffs
CrossBones
12-10-2007, 02:32 PM
Yeah it's ugly.
Ypu have to wonder how things would have worked out had it not been for the snow job. *shrug* --- he probably would only have 2 SB's right now. The third will come this year.
Life's a bitch. Then you die.
I want to see the Pats go 16-0 and get knocked out in the first round of the playoffsWord.
BigTron
12-10-2007, 04:31 PM
This Pats team is making watch more basketball. I was at the Ravens game and they have a rabbit foot shoved in their ass AND they are the best roster and coaching staff....
Raidermania12
12-10-2007, 07:37 PM
The Moss Factor taking form. I mean it sucked that our only legit trading options were GB or NE...Because in GB they'd be undefeated with Moss. its fucking crazy that we couldnt get sharp enough teams around him. :(
We had to hand the SB on either team's platter, i'd prefer that it have been GB.
We had to hand the SB on either team's platter, i'd prefer that it have been GB.So would Favre.
BigTron
12-11-2007, 07:11 AM
As long as SF wins one more game so they dont get pick #2... they stink.
hawaiianboy
12-11-2007, 04:25 PM
Nothing to do with Saint Brady, but why is it that everytime you turned on the TV last season, people were making fun of the Raiders ineptness while this season the Dolphins are pushing the envelope for worst of all time and basically getting a pass on it?...
RaiderIVlife
12-11-2007, 10:17 PM
Nothing to do with Saint Brady, but why is it that everytime you turned on the TV last season, people were making fun of the Raiders ineptness while this season the Dolphins are pushing the envelope for worst of all time and basically getting a pass on it?...
The Dolphins have long been a media darling and the Raiders are the antithesis.
Don Shula and the '72 Phins wore on my patience years ago. It would be a hilarious irony if not only *New England went undefeated, but the the '08 Phins went winless. Bwahahahahahaaha
The Dolphins have long been a media darling and the Raiders are the antithesis.
Don Shula and the '72 Phins wore on my patience years ago. It would be a hilarious irony if not only *New England went undefeated, but the the '08 Phins went winless. BwahahahahahaahaAfter this season you can change that asterisk to an exclamation point.
Yeah, they got lucky a few times. Yeah, one of them cost us big-time and I'll never forget it. I blame the refs and the league for that. The Pats were the beneficiary of rampant Raider hatred. They weren't the first to benefit, and they won't be the last.
But nobody can deny their success. They're a strong team top to bottom, coached by the best and quarterbacked by the best. They get who they need and put them in the best possible situation to win.
Brady isn't a saint. He's just the best in the league, and quite possibly the best I've ever seen (a little more time will tell). It's that simple. Don't read anything into it other than a football fan recognizing greatness.
Rupert
12-12-2007, 08:52 AM
Nothing to do with Saint Brady, but why is it that everytime you turned on the TV last season, people were making fun of the Raiders ineptness while this season the Dolphins are pushing the envelope for worst of all time and basically getting a pass on it?...
Cuz everyone loves to kick the "villian" when he's down. What other team in sports is called the evil empire by everyone but their own fans? And no the Yankees are not called that by all opposing fans, just some. For the Raiders it's almost universal.
The Dolphins are Flipper and cute. How can you root against that? The Raiders come into town, rape and pillage and move on. They leave weeping women and bastard children in their wake. When they fall on hard times, no-one weeps, and plenty cheer.
You know the drill man. You aren't new at this. Ten years from now they'll still be talking about our brush with ineptitude as being worse than the Dolphins 0-16 season.
massraider
12-12-2007, 09:07 AM
But nobody can deny their success. They're a strong team top to bottom, coached by the best and quarterbacked by the best. They get who they need and put them in the best possible situation to win.
Brady isn't a saint. He's just the best in the league, and quite possibly the best I've ever seen (a little more time will tell). It's that simple. Don't read anything into it other than a football fan recognizing greatness.
Good post.
I will say one thing about Brady. He has been on such a successful team, I am really waiting to see how he does when he doesn't have the protection, and the lead. I want to see how he plays, for a BAD team.
Cuz everyone loves to kick the "villian" when he's down. What other team in sports is called the evil empire by everyone but their own fans? And no the Yankees are not called that by all opposing fans, just some. For the Raiders it's almost universal.
The Dolphins are Flipper and cute. How can you root against that? The Raiders come into town, rape and pillage and move on. They leave weeping women and bastard children in their wake. When they fall on hard times, no-one weeps, and plenty cheer.
You know the drill man. You aren't new at this. Ten years from now they'll still be talking about our brush with ineptitude as being worse than the Dolphins 0-16 season.We're not brushing. We're wallowing.
Rupert
12-12-2007, 09:56 AM
We're not brushing. We're wallowing.
You might be wallowing. I am not.
hawaiianboy
12-12-2007, 10:05 AM
But nobody can deny their success. They're a strong team top to bottom, coached by the best and quarterbacked by the best. They get who they need and put them in the best possible situation to win.
No doubt... I think you can make a pretty good no shit argument that they have the best ownership, the best GM, the best head coach, the best QB and the best WR... I'm just sick of them... The Pats probably win their 4th ring, the Bosox just won another World Series and the Celtics get Garnett and look like a threat to win the NBA.... I say we give we wash our hands of the whole bloody state and give Massachusetts back to the Brits...
No doubt... I think you can make a pretty good no shit argument that they have the best ownership, the best GM, the best head coach, the best QB and the best WR... I'm just sick of them... The Pats probably win their 4th ring, the Bosox just won another World Series and the Celtics get Garnett and look like a threat to win the NBA.... I say we give we wash our hands of the whole bloody state and give Massachusetts back to the Brits...I think the People's Republic of Massachussetts would fit in better if we gave it to China.
And when you put it like that I can understand your irritation.
massraider
12-12-2007, 10:21 AM
Being a Boston boy in NYC has never been easier. I notice my Mass accent has gotten a bit stronger lately, just to let the Guidos know who they're dealing with.
"Yeah, that was a wicked nice play by that playah. He's a pissah. Anyone care for a Sam Adams?"
You might be wallowing. I am not.I rise and fall with my team. They are wallowing in ineptitude, not "having a brush" with it. And so I wallow as well. I don't see how you can possibly be doing anything else.
Limee
12-12-2007, 11:50 AM
I say we give we wash our hands of the whole bloody state and give Massachusetts back to the Brits...
:nono: There's no money back guarantee with that one and you know it.
hawaiianboy
12-12-2007, 12:49 PM
Don't even front Percy... You know damn well you would be happy to able to be Tom Brady's loin clad pool boy and not even need a Green Card to boot.... and you can take Mass with you dammit...
:gripe::gripe:
Rupert
12-12-2007, 01:50 PM
I rise and fall with my team. They are wallowing in ineptitude, not "having a brush" with it. And so I wallow as well. I don't see how you can possibly be doing anything else.
That's a qualitative assessment. It's fine if you see it that way, just don't demand that I see it similarly.
Last year was the 1st season I really felt we had no chance since, well, ever. Bugel's offense put up numbers in garbage time, and Callahan's fall was due to injuries (yeah, an aged roster that was highly likely to have those injuries could certainly be blamed). This season is a building year, and anyone that knows what development looks like can see the signs of improvement.
So one season of utter futility is all I see. That's nothing to wallow in. Again, it's a qualitative assessment, and you draw the line in the sand differently than I do. You're way is not the only way it can be done. That's all that needs to be said. You won't convince me otherwise.
S and B Executioner
12-13-2007, 04:29 PM
Good post.
I will say one thing about Brady. He has been on such a successful team, I am really waiting to see how he does when he doesn't have the protection, and the lead. I want to see how he plays, for a BAD team.
Hell, we all wanted to se that when we watched Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman etc. The point is, dude has the OL, the Wr and the Coach. He will unseat the afore mentioned QB's as the Best QB ever and that is that. Yes, it is a very bitter pill to swallow, but true, no matter how you slice it!
Rupert
12-13-2007, 04:31 PM
Hell, we all wanted to se that when we watched Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman etc. The point is, dude has the OL, the Wr and the Coach. He will unseat the afore mentioned QB's as the Best QB ever and that is that. Yes, it is a very bitter pill to swallow, but true, no matter how you slice it!
Provided he stays healthy.
RaiderWilde
12-14-2007, 12:04 AM
Just gotta say that if Randy Moss ends up winning the superbowl it sets the worst kind of example for young aspiring wide recievers on bad teams to chuck tantrums and demand trades..
But on the other side of the coin, i have this wild pipe dream that Randy Moss wins a superbowl with New England and has a Disneyesque like story where he leaves New England and rejoins Oakland and says "i accomplished everything i wanted too in New England, it's time i repay the Raider Nation the same ammount of dedication i just gave the Patriots"
SoCalRaider
12-14-2007, 12:12 AM
I'm not sure the current state of the Raiders would be any better off with him... I tend to think high maintenance guys like him are better off on winning teams with established team chemistry and accomplished team leaders.
BigTron
12-14-2007, 01:05 AM
I'm not sure the current state of the Raiders would be any better off with him... I tend to think high maintenance guys like him are better off on winning teams with established team chemistry and accomplished team leaders.
Their are only 2-3 teams that Randy Moss would work on. Pats are the best match possible. A lockeroom too strong for him to damage.
Knight
12-14-2007, 01:43 AM
Farve is still going to out-duel him in the SB.
Farve is still going to out-duel him in the SB.Wow, I seriously doubt that. That NE defense wouldn't lay down for the Legend.
Romo would have a much better shot at out-slinging Brady IMO. T.O. is worth Jennings and Driver combined. Throw in guys like Barber and Witten and you've got a passing offense that could give NE fits.
Raidermania12
12-14-2007, 06:19 AM
you dont out sling them, you do what the colts did, get physical with them and have a slew of formations and schemes for the second half that they've never seen you use.. IMO Woodson can still jam and cover Moss fairly decent if you allow him to be physical. The question is what will GB scheme if they get to the SB healthy and meet NE. Beating NE is honestly gonna take a higher level of planning and execution. But its very do-able.
But its very do-able.Come on, man. If it was "very do-able" it would have been done by now.
I don't understand your take on the game of football bro. I'm not sure what you're looking at, but you should really keep your eye on what happens on the field of play. That's where the truth is.
C-Wood is a great CB. Unfortunately for GB, Moss isn't the only weapon out there for NE. NE beat the Colts, and the Colts would destroy GB. NE copmpletely fucked PIT up and that defense is far better than GB's. They pounded DAL like they were nothing. They took SD out to the fucking woodshed.
In fact, NE has beaten PIT, IND, BAL, DAL and PHI. That's 5 of the top-10 defenses in the league - and one of those 10 is NE itself!! So call it 5 out of 9. "Very do-able"??? Give me a fucking break. You should really take a look at what you're writing before you hit that "Submit Reply" button, dude. You're enough to make a guy nauseous. Get a grip on yourself.
The matchup favors NE in just about every way. GB's ONLY hope would be hitting Brady in the mouth early and often. And I just don't see it happening. NE is smart enough to short-circuit that strategy and make them pay.
Raidermania12
12-14-2007, 01:24 PM
Come on, man. If it was "very do-able" it would have been done by now.
So they've never trailed in a game?
I don't understand your take on the game of football bro. I'm not sure what you're looking at, but you should really keep your eye on what happens on the field of play. That's where the truth is.
Says the guy who proclaims he could coach an NFL team because of his vast armchair knowledge. Sorry i dont agree 100 percent with you, i realize now that makes everyone else wrong in your book.
C-Wood is a great CB. Unfortunately for GB, Moss isn't the only weapon out there for NE. NE beat the Colts, and the Colts would destroy GB. NE completely fucked PIT up and that defense is far better than GB's. They pounded DAL like they were nothing. They took SD out to the fucking woodshed.
Matchups...You can't be naive enough to auto relate what happened in one game to another. We beat the Browns who beat the seattle seahawks, yet I doubt you'd claim that we'd obviously beat seattle if we played them. Colts barely lost to New England, so San Diego should keep it close right? Or was it the wood shed you said SD was taken to? lol... Dont know whats wrong with me to be looking at the actual matchups over the "who beat who" equation. Why does NE even take the field? Its psychotic on their part.
Also Moss is the key weapon. Everyone gets free because he gets attention. You find a way to cut back on cheating his way(by being physical and mixing up your defenses). Easier said than done, but everything revolves around Moss and how you defend him.
In fact, NE has beaten PIT, IND, BAL, DAL and PHI. That's 5 of the top-10 defenses in the league - and one of those 10 is NE itself!! So call it 5 out of 9. "Very do-able"??? Give me a fucking break. You should really take a look at what you're writing before you hit that "Submit Reply" button, dude. You're enough to make a guy nauseous. Get a grip on yourself.
No matter how much "before you his submit reply, remember i'm a brilliant genius because i say so" bullshit you add to your claims, you're still just doing the same shit. see one fact, ignore another.
The fact still remains that they barely beat 3 different teams. And two of them were mediocre overall. I know you ignore these facts or try to hard line say something we already established like "well....ummm they are still undefeated, so its not do-able"..But them being undefeated isnt the subject, the subject is whether they are beatable. Based on their performances in their close games, i say yes. so hopefully you dont waste time there pointing to their record.
The matchup favors NE in just about every way. GB's ONLY hope would be hitting Brady in the mouth early and often. And I just don't see it happening. NE is smart enough to short-circuit that strategy and make them pay.
Actually running the ball effectively like the colts did, mixing in screen passes, switching up your defenses to cause confusion(even brady can be confused if you do it right), being physical as all hell penalty or not, Man up Moss with a real deal big corner, and make ball control the priority. The colts did most of these things and probably should have won that game they played. But i personally think they didnt run the ball enough or stick to the gameplan towards the end. The Colts gameplen is actually a good blueprint for 3 quarters, they lost their discipline towards the end though trying to sit on the lead.
Either way the "knock brady on his ass and pray to heaven he dies" strategy sounds far more well thought out. Football guru shines again. It must be a conspiracy keeping your from having an NFL HC job. That or the armchair glued to your ass. :p
My God. I just don't know where to start. Only read a few sentences.
NE knows how to blow people out, how to come from behind and how to win close games. Their offense is so explosive you wouldn't be safe with a 20-point lead.
Brady is the most clutch QB I've ever seen. He can steamroll the best defenses in the league. He has the brain, skills and weapons to beat you in whatever way he has to.
Actually running the ball effectively like the colts did, mixing in screen passes, switching up your defenses to cause confusion(even brady can be confused if you do it right), being physical as all hell penalty or not, Man up Moss with a real deal big corner, and make ball control the priority.:pound: No shit?? Really?? I never knew! You really think teams should try to do this against them?? Why would anyone want to try to their damndest to execute a fundamentally sound, balanced attack against NE??
You can pimp the way the Colts played them all you want. NE won the game. If anyone can execute the blatantly obvious, "no-fucking-duh" offense you're suggesting against NE, it's the Colts. They tried. They lost. Let's get that straight. Peyton & Co. worked their asses off to score a measley 20 points. There's no way to put this team away.
Dallas tried the same thing. They lost big.
These are the #2 and #3 offenses in the league. They brought everything they had. For God's sake, they were both at home.
NE has beaten the best defenses. They've beaten the best offenses. They've beaten fucking EVERYONE and done it in every conceivable way.
NE can't be stopped unless Brady gets hurt or they sit him. Not by any of the teams in the league here in 2007. It's that simple. In case you've been living in a mud hut in the hinterlands in Wyoming, which would explain a lot, you've seen how he's having the best season any QB has ever had. Ever.
This is not an "oh, yeah, he's having a really good year" season. It's a "holy fuck this guy is ripping peoples' heads off and shitting down their necks" season. This is a "fuck you, Montana, Marino and Elway" season. It's a "bring everything you have, you'd better be on some serious steroids if you want to stop me and my offense" season. This is a "just when you thought you had a chance I'll fire a bazooka at your pathetic fucking defense" season.
You can downplay it to try to prop up your position all you want. It is what it is.
"Very do-able" is a joke. "Remotely possible" is certainly getting closer to the truth, given the "any given Sunday" philosophy. But Belichik and Brady are working their asses off to disprove that particular cliche. They will have home field throughout the playoffs. They'll be impossible to take down.
And let's not forget their defense. They know how to get off the field.
"They barely beat 3 teams." My God. They "barely beat" 3 fucking teams?? OK, I get it, it's a joke. Don't fuck with me, man. It's just not nice. :pound:
And their record is absolutely no indication of how "beatable" they are, right? You're trying to get me banned, I know it. You're doing a good job too, because I'm barely resisting calling you what you really are. And of course that would involve a whole slew of highly offensive and derogatory remarks. You're making it really hard. Bones, I ertainly hope you appreciate the herculean effort it's taking me to hold back. It's all outta respect for you, my elder brother.
The whole "you're a HC" bullshit is about as old as your opinions are stupid. Find a new gig.
SoCalRaider
12-15-2007, 03:37 PM
This is a "fuck you, Montana, Marino and Elway" season.
Marino and Montana were still better.............
Marino and Montana were still better.............While I can understand the statement, I disagree to a point. IMO Brady is a more complete player than either of those guys were. Bigger and stronger than Montana, more mobile than Marino.
But Brady still needs to string together about 5 more years before he goes GOAT. Given the fact that he's never missed a start, I see him doing that and maybe more.
But I love Montana. Probably still the GOAT. Fucking brilliant surgeon.
Raidermania12
12-16-2007, 06:56 AM
My God. I just don't know where to start.
More like dont know when to stop. But you shouldnt read more than a few sentences, because you ignore any facts against your Illuminati opinion anyways.
The whole "you're a HC" bullshit is about as old as your opinions are stupid. Find a new gig.
Now its bs because after awhile you realize its not the best leg to stand on. But you've said yourself that you could coach this team better than norv turner and art shell. thats armchair talk. Bones aint gotta hold you back on shit, because its the internet and its a complete joke to suggest as much. you got something more malice that the retarded childish attacks you've already thrown out to add, thats on you. All you really saying that your feathers ruffled if someone has to hold you back from being more of an ass than usual..
Its a football thread about new england and brady even more so, you're entitled to your opinion, doesnt make it fact no matter how much bravado you put on top of it. You feel that new england's defense is too good to to let them get beat. I think that the fact that they give up almost 100 yards per game, can be taken advantage of. In fact it already has by the colts and baltimore. The only close game that was luck imo was the phi game. Feely caught fire. But this isnt a major issue. You're trying to make it one my being madly extreme with the "NE invincible, fuck anyone who says otherwise" talk. Have fun with it, no need to have bones hold you back. :rolleyes::shakehead:
SoCalRaider
12-16-2007, 02:25 PM
While I can understand the statement, I disagree to a point. IMO Brady is a more complete player than either of those guys were. Bigger and stronger than Montana, more mobile than Marino.
But Brady still needs to string together about 5 more years before he goes GOAT. Given the fact that he's never missed a start, I see him doing that and maybe more.
But I love Montana. Probably still the GOAT. Fucking brilliant surgeon.
Marino more than made up for his lack of mobility with his release... in my opinion. I don't have the stats or anything, but he's got to rank right up there in fewest sacks per attempt.
What puts Marino over the top for me is he could make throws that Brady could never make and Montana could only occasionally make.... and I'm talking about the throws on a rope into triple coverage... and Marino had to because he never played in a system where his receivers were as open as the guys Montana and Brady throw to.
Marino more than made up for his lack of mobility with his release... in my opinion. I don't have the stats or anything, but he's got to rank right up there in fewest sacks per attempt.
What puts Marino over the top for me is he could make throws that Brady could never make and Montana could only occasionally make.... and I'm talking about the throws on a rope into triple coverage... and Marino had to because he never played in a system where his receivers were as open as the guys Montana and Brady throw to.Marino was great, you'll never hear me say anything different. But at this point he's #4 on my all-time list, which goes like this:
1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Elway
4. Marino
5. Favre
The only reason Brady trails Montana at this point is time in the league. More time, more great shit, Brady jumps a spot. I'm not sure what types of throws you're saying Brady can't make, but I haven't seen it.
I'm sure the crusty fuckers like Bones would want to shoe-horn Unitas in there somewhere as well.
SoCalRaider
12-17-2007, 07:40 PM
My top 5............
1. Marino (best eva)
2. Montana (most clutch)
3. Young (best combination of throwing and running)
4. Favre (longevity)
5. Manning/Brady (tie goes to Brady if they finish 19-0)
In response to the throws Brady can't make... I think his deep ball is very suspect... and I've rarely seen him thread the needle between defenders (but that could be because he hasn't had to).....
raiderfreak7
12-17-2007, 09:23 PM
In response to the throws Brady can't make... I think his deep ball is very suspect... and I've rarely seen him thread the needle between defenders (but that could be because he hasn't had to).....
I was completely amazed at how little he got on that trick play they did against the Steelers. He completely underthrew it when he had a nice sized crowhop before he threw it. Moss also seems to bail him out on alot of deep throws, but he could just be tossing it up there knowing he'll probably come down with it.
Raidermania12
02-04-2008, 07:47 AM
*Bump* How's that Unbeatable thing working out? :)
jatfly
02-04-2008, 08:57 AM
My top 5............
1. Marino (best eva)
2. Montana (most clutch)
3. Young (best combination of throwing and running)
4. Favre (longevity)
5. Manning/Brady (tie goes to Brady if they finish 19-0)
In response to the throws Brady can't make... I think his deep ball is very suspect... and I've rarely seen him thread the needle between defenders (but that could be because he hasn't had to).....
Dude please tell me you just forgot Bradshaw and Aikmen, I know there numbers weren't as good but those guys won 4 SB's and 3 SB's respectively.
The have to be close to this bunch and I am not sure Young belongs in this group.
Raider Bill
02-05-2008, 08:12 AM
Fuck Brady, it took 13 weeks of the season before someone figured out "maybe we should try and pressure these guys"
Well, Gannon was a league MVP, but he looked like dog shit in the SB when he was under constant pressure. I believe he was sacked 5 times as well, but he handed out some serious INTs as well.
I couldn't believe that Giants defense. Those fuckers were airtight.
It seemed like every time NE tried to adjust to the pass rush with some screens and quick passes, NY was right there shutting it down. Reminded me a LOT of our SB against TB. They seemed to know what NE was going to do before they did it.
Raidermania12
02-05-2008, 09:39 AM
I think it was more that NE didnt know what the Giants were doing rather than the Giants knowing what NE was. The mixes of blitzes were very very hard to read, and when the D-Line is penetrating your O-Line like an Alley Whore it makes the reading even harder on blitzes.
BigTron
02-05-2008, 09:42 AM
I think it was more that NE didnt know what the Giants were doing rather than the Giants knowing what NE was. The mixes of blitzes were very very hard to read, and when the D-Line is penetrating your O-Line like an Alley Whore it makes the reading even harder on blitzes.
I think it had alot to do with the Pats giving up on the run this season. Thats the best way to slow down a pass rushing DL. They have a solid running game when they commit to it. And the Giants DT's arent exactly run stuffers.
Raidermania12
02-05-2008, 09:46 AM
And the Giants DT's arent exactly run stuffers.
They were sunday. NE left the run alone early because they were getting stuffed. Maybe it was still a bad decision to completely jump ship, but they werent able to run as easily as they did on the other teams this playoffs.
Jack's sore libido
02-05-2008, 10:42 AM
The Pats did abandon the run way too early, considering the Giants had Justin Tuck in there at DT. Belichick usually adjusts to what the other guy is doing, but in this case it seemed like he was so arrogant as to say, "It doesn't matter what they do; they can't stop what WE do."
Well, the reason no one usually stops what NE does is precisely because of those adjustments he seemed unwilling to make this time.
Also, the Giants' pressure was a killer -- not because the Pats couldn't do their little bullshit 3- and 5-yard routes (hell, they did PLENTY of those with Welker and Faulk catching 18 balls between them), but because the Giants actually forced the Patriots into unusually long down and distance situations by sacking Brady, or by getting a penalty (couple false starts and a hold), so that those dink and dunks simply weren't enough to get first downs.
Let's look at how NE's drives ended:
1) TD
2) Maroney stuffed on back-to-back runs on 2nd-and-2 and 3rd-and-1 ... this was huge because it seemed to drain all Belichick's confidence in the run game
3) Brady sacked on 2nd-and-10 and again on 3rd-and-17 (dink and dunk won't save them on 3rd-and-17)
4) Brady sacked and fumbles in Giants territory
5) Brady sacked on 3rd-and-7, then incomplete deep on 4th-and-13 ... think they'd have gone deep on that fourth down if they'd had 4th-and-5 or 4th-and-7 instead of 4th-and-13?
6) Brady 9 yards to Stallworth on 3rd-and-15 (set up by a false start) ... again, dink and dunk ain't enough to make up for the down and distance
7) Brady incomplete short to Welker on 3rd-and-7 (don't remember this play ... was it the one wher Welker ran the wrong route?)
8) Touchdown
9) Incomplete deep to Moss on 4th-and-20. This is an interesting one to me because the Giants got that huge sack on the first play of the drive, which may have been what prevented the Patriots from using their 3 timeouts to try and move 35-40 yards for a tying FG instead of just airing it out.
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