***The OFFICIAL Sedrick Ellis Jihad Thread*** [Archive]

Crow

11-25-2007, 02:39 PM

With our fall out of the top 3-5 picks, it's time to find a realistic jihad to...well...jihad for. Easy pick for me. USC DT Sedrick Ellis.

Season stats (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2007&org=657&player=49)

Stats 2 (http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/player/657/56620/index.html)

Won't be a good fit for the 3-4 jihadists. But an ideal UT for those hoping for some sort of Tampa-2. A sweet combination of effort and production. Won't eat up blockers stuffing the run. But he'll make sure QBs don't have all day to scan the field like they do now. I'm for it.

CrossBones

11-25-2007, 03:21 PM

Hmmm...lot of "official" threads going around this time of year. :chucle:

Crow

11-25-2007, 03:27 PM

It's official. We need help. Might as well thread it.

BigTron

11-25-2007, 04:23 PM

Crow

11-25-2007, 04:29 PM

I doubt it. Herm, maybe.

BigTron

11-25-2007, 04:31 PM

He would be money in most D's. He could step in and play in our scheme and do well today! Would our Cb's be a good fit for the tampa 2?

Crow

11-25-2007, 04:38 PM

I think so. Scrabble and Routt both have good size and are solid tacklers. They both have a burst coming forward. I like the fit, personally.

Morrison and Howard look ideal for it.

We just gotta get that safety situation situated.

hawaiianboy

11-26-2007, 12:41 AM

Ellis is a nice player, but I'd as soon shitcan that 3 technique spot and go the Jacksonville route... Put two toilet pluggers in the middle and let the LB's clean up...

Then again, if we do something like bring in Ed Orgeron to install Pete Carroll's 43 under defense, I could be persuaded to change my mind ;)... Orgeron face planted as a head coach, but the guy was nails calling a defense at SC, knows Kiff well and sure as hell knows how to develop D-linemen...

BigTron

11-26-2007, 01:10 AM

Kiffin has some money connections. Thats good stuff.

Jack's sore libido

11-26-2007, 03:50 PM

I think so. Scrabble and Routt both have good size and are solid tacklers.

Coming around on Routt, eh?

massraider

11-27-2007, 11:16 AM

Ellis is a nice player, but I'd as soon shitcan that 3 technique spot and go the Jacksonville route... Put two toilet pluggers in the middle and let the LB's clean up...

Also easier to find these guys, IMO. The rub, of course, is that we'd have to find a 10 sack RE to offset the lack of interior pass rush.

Also "3-4 jihadists?" Cripes, there better not be too many of these people. Howard, Morrison, Burgess, Sands, Warren, these are not 3-4 players. The two players in our front 7 that best fit the system are Sammy Pushup and Jay Richardson. Please.

Crow

11-27-2007, 12:28 PM

I dunno. I rather like Morrison and Howard as the inside backers in a 34. Burgess has a history of playing LB, and now he's looking like one. Skinny fucker.

Sands and Warren? Blah. They're not much good in any scheme. Not as starters, anyway.

007

12-02-2007, 01:57 PM

Also easier to find these guys, IMO. The rub, of course, is that we'd have to find a 10 sack RE to offset the lack of interior pass rush.

Also "3-4 jihadists?" Cripes, there better not be too many of these people. Howard, Morrison, Burgess, Sands, Warren, these are not 3-4 players. The two players in our front 7 that best fit the system are Sammy Pushup and Jay Richardson. Please.

I don't see more than 3 players on our D roster that 'fit' a 3-4.

Why switch now?

Richardson and Kelly could play DE, but lets not kid ourselves, we arent talking about Olshansky and Castillo, and we sure as hell don't have Terrell Suggs, Phillips, Merriman or anyone else worth a damn on the edge.

We are a safety, end and tackle away from having one of the top young 4-3 D's in the league, IMO. Not worth it now to scrap and start over.

Im also starting to like Ellis if we fall in the 6-10 range. Or Keith Rivers on a trade down.

s.dot88

12-03-2007, 08:11 PM

i'd go as far as to say we are just an end and a NOSE tackle away from being locked up on defense

if stu can cover half the field and isnt responsible to bring down RBs by himself, he'd be a more than serviceable safety

however if we are going to move him out of the picture, Steltz at SS with Huff at FS would be awesome

Crow

12-05-2007, 03:08 AM

I don't see more than 3 players on our D roster that 'fit' a 3-4.

Why switch now?

Richardson and Kelly could play DE, but lets not kid ourselves, we arent talking about Olshansky and Castillo, and we sure as hell don't have Terrell Suggs, Phillips, Merriman or anyone else worth a damn on the edge.

We are a safety, end and tackle away from having one of the top young 4-3 D's in the league, IMO. Not worth it now to scrap and start over.

Im also starting to like Ellis if we fall in the 6-10 range. Or Keith Rivers on a trade down.

I'm liking Burgess less and less as a DE. Kid's about 220 pounds right now, best as I can figure. If someone wants to grade our guys in terms of 3-4 potential, Burgess has to get at least a C for his rush LB potential. Clemons as a specialist...perhaps.

But, it's all moot until we get someone who can man the nose. Regardless of scheme, we need a fucking run stopper in the middle...and preferably a bigger LE.

Crow

12-16-2007, 01:00 AM

Some feel that due to Dorsey's owies and Ellis' projected combine numbers, Sed could actually overtake GD as the 1st DT drafted.

Anyone here feel cheated if we have to settle for Glenn Dorsey?

BigTron

12-16-2007, 04:03 AM

Some feel that due to Dorsey's owies and Ellis' projected combine numbers, Sed could actually overtake GD as the 1st DT drafted.

Anyone here feel cheated if we have to settle for Glenn Dorsey?

Not at all. As long as the Pats dont draft McFadden ill be happy.

Crow

12-16-2007, 09:09 AM

I won't be happy with the Pats until they audition for Wear Are Marshall 2.

BigTron

12-16-2007, 01:08 PM

I won't be happy with the Pats until they audition for Wear Are Marshall 2.

hahaha. Nice. Coldblooded!

007

12-16-2007, 01:18 PM

Im starting to lean towards a space eater in round two, over a gap shooter like Ellis in the top ten.

A guy like Red Bryant, Frank Okam, Dre Moore or Marcus Harrison would present good value and allow us to take a beast like Gholston or Campbell in the first round.

I dont like the depth of the DE class this year, and doubt we get a difference maker like Quintin Moses in round two or three...(Maybe Jackson or Ellis would fall though?)

Crow

12-16-2007, 05:02 PM

Im starting to lean towards a space eater in round two, over a gap shooter like Ellis in the top ten.

I'd rather get both.

CrossBones

12-16-2007, 05:16 PM

Crow...where edo we satnd after today's action draft wise?

007

12-16-2007, 07:43 PM

I'd rather get both.

I'd like to get a BJ from Jessica Simpson, but that aint happening.

Seriously though, I think there is more value in a top DE early than a DT like Ellis or Dorsey.

Although I don't think it would be a bad move to nab either of those guys.

I just like the thought of teaming a solid two way DE like Gholston or Campbell with Burgess/Clemons/Richardson and Kelly.

As long as it isnt a CB like Jenkins a WR like Jackson, I don't think we could go wrong.

Crow

12-16-2007, 09:20 PM

I'd like to get a BJ from Jessica Simpson, but that aint happening.
That's only due to your embarrassing lack of game.

Seriously though, I think there is more value in a top DE early than a DT like Ellis or Dorsey.
Tell that to our run defense.

Although I don't think it would be a bad move to nab either of those guys.

I just like the thought of teaming a solid two way DE like Gholston or Campbell with Burgess/Clemons/Richardson and Kelly.
I dunno if Gholston qualifies as a two way end. He's mainly just a pass rusher, which you know I love. But he's viewed more as a 34 rush backer than a 4-3 DE who can play the run at a high level. From what I've read, anyway.

As long as it isnt a CB like Jenkins a WR like Jackson, I don't think we could go wrong.
Just draft DL, baby.

If every pick is spent on a D-lineman, I'm going out for champagne and cheeseburgers.

RaiderWilde

12-17-2007, 12:11 AM

All i know is O-Line isn't a major concern in the 1st round of this draft ( i am a firm believer in BPA )

The fact the Raiders havn't given up a sack since the KC game definately impresses me (Justin Fargas ability to pound the ball helps alot)

I want Howie JR, Him coming to the Raiders is a fairytale result (and the kid can play) but yeah the Dorsey and Ellis project seems to be the pathway we will go with the position we are looking to draft at.

Crow

12-17-2007, 04:40 AM

Rd1: DL
Rd2: DL
Rd4: RB/DB

Get on this jihad, bitches. You might actually have a shot at winning the next Lil Al.

donovan

12-25-2007, 03:47 PM

Ellis isn't the answer for this team. 6'1", 285 lbs.? He'll be a Rod Coleman type.

If it's the DL thing, I'd rather take a rusher and then take Okam or Bryant in rd. 2.

Crow

12-25-2007, 04:51 PM

I'd kill for a Rod Coleman right now.

As for Okam, we can dial him up in Rd4. Maybe Rd6.

Rupert

12-25-2007, 06:37 PM

I'd kill for a Rod Coleman right now.

As for Okam, we can dial him up in Rd4. Maybe Rd6.

Yep, our smallish DT's don't have nearly the acceleration he had. Hell, Grady Jackson is faster than most of our DT's and he's old and 350lbs. :mad:

Crow

12-26-2007, 07:31 AM

Grady also used to line up about half a yard offsides. :D

I still can't figure out how he never got flagged for that.

As for Ellis, he has at least as good a first step that Coleman did. Line him up next to a plugger and he'd be outstanding, I think.

Crow

12-28-2007, 06:01 AM

Height: 6-1 | Weight: 285 | 40-Time: 4.95

Official Bio

Strengths:
Very quick with a great first step...Very strong and powerful...A terrific pass rusher with the burst to close...Athletic with good speed...Instinctive...Sheds blocks well and is able to beat the double team...Is technically sound when it comes to using his hands and understanding leverage...Has a non-stop motor...Tough and a very hard worker with top-notch intangibles...Has experience at both tackle positions.

Weaknesses:
Doesn't have the ideal height or bulk that you look for...Has some minor durability issues...Might have some trouble holding his ground at the point against massive blockers...Limited schematically and probably won't be a perfect fit for every team.

Notes:
Could be a prototypical three-technique at the pro level...Redshirted in 2003 after breaking his left ankle and missed some time in '06 with a knee injury..Productive, disruptive force in the middle..A better prospect than Mike Patterson was in 2005.

Madturk

12-28-2007, 08:42 AM

Ellis isn't the answer for this team. 6'1", 285 lbs.? He'll be a Rod Coleman type.

If it's the DL thing, I'd rather take a rusher and then take Okam or Bryant in rd. 2.

I agree. it will be tough to pass on Ghoulston or Long if they're still on the board when we pick. Sed Ellis maybe in a trade down scenario.

hawaiianboy

12-28-2007, 11:23 AM

Some feel that due to Dorsey's owies and Ellis' projected combine numbers, Sed could actually overtake GD as the 1st DT drafted.

I think there's a chance that Ellis actually drops to the mid first range and maybe gets passed by a guy with more prototypical size like Kentwan Balmer as the second DT taken once the measurements come in... I'd be surprised if Sed came in at the 6'1 height listed as he looked shorter than Mike Patterson... You certainly can't argue Ellis's intangibles as he is a coaches dream, but IMO he is more comparable to Booger McFarland than he is to guys like Sapp and Tommie Harris...

I like Ellis as a player and I wouldn't complain if we took him, but I think he's being ranked a tad bit high right now...

Crow

12-28-2007, 11:34 AM

more prototypical size like Kentwan Balmer...

6'5, 282 is more prototypical than 6'1, 285? :confused:

hawaiianboy

12-28-2007, 11:44 AM

He's listed in the 295 pound range and has the kind or arm span most teams value... Besides, I think it's safe to say that it'll be easier to put 20 pounds on Balmer than it would to put 3 inches on Ellis :p

007

12-28-2007, 11:48 AM

6'5, 282 is more prototypical than 6'1, 285? :confused:

When you look at Balmer though, you see a guy who can add 30 pounds pretty easily without effecting much. The guy would actually benefit by doing that...

Ellis would cap out at 305 IMO. Now that isnt too light, but its close. Unless he's a Rod Coleman or La'Roi Glover...

Balmer was pretty athletic coming out of high school apparently, and played some basketball before choosing football. At least thats what I've heard from a few telecasts.

Rupert

12-28-2007, 12:30 PM

Crow

12-29-2007, 02:15 PM

Not sure what height has to do with being a good 3-tech, but...ooookay.

massraider

12-30-2007, 07:55 AM

I think there's a chance that Ellis actually drops to the mid first range and maybe gets passed by a guy with more prototypical size like Kentwan Balmer as the second DT taken once the measurements come in...

Sure, why not?

It is a complete certainty that some of these players won't go where people are imagining them right now, and the combine will shake things up considerably.