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Rupert
09-30-2007, 05:51 PM
In the Trenches - Week 4

Let’s start this whole thing off by admitting that this was not a very good test for the Raiders in the trenches. Coming in, Miami was near the bottom of the league in sacks and run defense. They couldn’t run the ball that well, passed pretty well and gave up an average number of sacks.

If you watched the game, you know what happened. We started off running the ball well, and ended up running it VERY well. Miami did a good job running the ball against us, but struggled in the passing game.

So what can we learn from the trenches this week?

Running the ball, the Raiders had 49 carries for a total of 299 yards, a whopping 6.1 yards per carry. Of those 49 plays, 13 were for less than 3 yards or 26.5%. In other words 73.5% went for 3 or more yards. That’s running the ball well.

Miami carried the ball 20 times for 141 yards, or a huge 7.1 yards per carry. Of those 20 plays, 8 went for less than 3 yards or an astonishing 40%. Miami was also caught behind the line on 3 plays, or 15% of their runs went for a loss. Those 3 runs for loss were included in the plays of less than 3 yards.

The Raiders front seven did a pretty good job stopping the run, but when you see that Miami did serious damage on only 12 running plays, you can see the disadvantage of having your DB’s in man coverage. With your corners’ backs to the play and your safeties closer to the line and getting caught in traffic, running away from the play, or mirroring their eventual blocker, you’ve got to get a higher percentage of plays made by your front seven. In a zone scheme you’re less likely to see big runs getting sprung, but you’re more likely to see passes completed unless you get pressure on the QB. Speaking of which…

In the passing game, the Raiders attempted 13 passes, which is indicative of how well they were running the ball as well as how infrequently they were forced into long downs. Being sacked once they only attempted 12 passes and completed 5, for a paltry 41.7% completion rate and a mere 75 yards passing (5 deducted for the sack giving a net of 70 yards passing). Other than the sack, the Raiders tried 2 quick passes, used play action twice, and rolled to throw once. Culpepper was never hurried, was flushed 4 times, was hit once, and couldn’t find an open receiver 3 times.

Miami attempted 27 passes, 7 of which were quick passes, and another 7 of which were play action. Despite their obvious attempts to help their offensive line protect the quarterback, the Raiders hit Green 4 times, flushed him twice, hurried him 3 times, sacked him twice, tipped three passes, and intercepted him twice. By percentages, 56% (14) of their passes were completed, 28% of their pass attempts were quick passes and another 28% were play action. On 36% of their passes Green was hit, hurried, or flushed, and on 20% the ball was tipped or picked.

All in all the Raiders did a good job in the trenches. Unfortunately, Miami didn’t come into this game as one of the league’s tougher teams in the trenches. They also came into this game without their tackling machine middle linebacker Zack Thomas.

You can only play the teams on your schedule, and the Raiders did what was necessary to dominate the game. Losing LaMont Jordan does come at a convenient time, if losing a player can ever be called convenient. The bye week will give him two weeks to recover from his back injury. With Dominic Rhodes coming off suspension, there is no need to hurry Jordan back into action. Jordan might want to hurry back to preserve his starting spot, but the team can hold him back if necessary for his health.

Regardless of all that, the Raiders are at 2-2 going into the bye week. They’ve won their first road game in over a year. They also found that Culpepper works well under center, he didn’t make any bad throws, had a couple drops, one lousy offensive PI called, and one defensive PI not called. I guess to make up for that, the refs blew a replay where a non-fumble recovered by Miami could easily have been overturned. Additionally, the Raiders can go into the bye week knowing they didn’t sneak one out by the skin of their teeth. It’s no great feat to dominate one of the league’s weaker teams, but it’s good to know you can dominate a team when you should, which is not something the Raiders have done that often in the past 4 years.

RaiderIVlife
09-30-2007, 07:59 PM
The problem with our pass rush in my estimation is when we don't get pressure, we REALLY don't get pressure. It's sometimes laughably bad and it really exposes the DB's.

007
09-30-2007, 10:16 PM
Here's a trench fact:

Osi Umenyiora just tied our team in sacks...IN 1 GAME!!!

How do you abuse a guy for six sacks?

Amazing stuff...

To think that we actually drafted Tyler Brayton instead. (My Kiwi jihad, circa 2006, looks pretty solid too.)

BigTron
10-01-2007, 06:01 AM
Here's a trench fact:

Osi Umenyiora just tied our team in sacks...IN 1 GAME!!!

How do you abuse a guy for six sacks?

Amazing stuff...

To think that we actually drafted Tyler Brayton instead. (My Kiwi jihad, circa 2006, looks pretty solid too.)

I was with you on the Kiwi pick. He was the shit at BC. He lead the team in like tackles and sacks and some other shit.

Rupert
10-01-2007, 03:19 PM
I think we have 7 sacks? But yeah, close enough.

Winston Justice looked worse than Sims or Gallery ever have. Holy crap! But with Strahan on the other end, and Robbins and Cofield collapsing the middle, Philly didn't stand a chance with a backup at LT.

I think with Warren in the middle now, when we get Burgess back we'll be able to put up some decent QB pressure. But to get the kind of pressure the Giants did last night we'd need an upgrade, because Kelly wouldn't have collected 6 sacks, 3 tops in the exact same situation. Brayton might even have collected a couple in that situation.

Other things that helped the Giants collect all those sacks were stunts and blitzes. Some of our pressure on Green came from stunts. Warren's sack came from a twist with the end. I first wondered which DE collected the sack and then saw it was Warren. Sapp got a hit after stunting around the end and a hurry on a twist with Warren (the play he crawled into Green's knee).

Getting pressure isn't just a physical thing, it's a mental thing too. Justice wasn't up to the task, but the play calling didn't help him out either. Regardless, the Giants didn't just give him the same look play after play. They kept him guessing and thinking, instead of just reacting. Unmenyora isn't a great end with great speed, but he had enough speed and strength to take a relatively short path on the slow to set Justice.

007
10-01-2007, 03:26 PM
I know, Rupe I actually agree that NYG had a perfect scheme for bringing McNabb down. Winston Justice (Who HB pimped...) got abused worse than any LT I've ever seen.

It must have been at least a half dozen he was responsible for. (I know Osi had a couple stunt sacks up the middle, but I assume 1 or 2 of Kiwi's came against him...

With Gerard Warren in the middle, he offers the type of size and strength to occasionally collapse the pocket and funnel the QB towards our ends (Burgess)

I don't think Sands can do that, although he's better against the run, IMO.

I hope we get an RDE in the next year, who can compliment 56.

Rupert
10-01-2007, 04:13 PM
I think the key to Warren in the middle is his ability to stunt. I saw him stunting around end and twisting with Sapp in the middle. It's something Sands isn't that good at. You want someone to rag doll an OG? Sands is the man. He did it again Sunday to drop the RB behind the line. Manly indeed, but Warren gets the mobility points, and that versatility is worth quite a bit.

I wonder if Richardson can develop into the kind RDE we want? We've seemed to want a BIG RDE instead of the quick guy and the quick LDE versus the power guy. That done, we can move Kelly back inside. It all depends upon Warren's and Sapp's contracts. Both look good so far, and I'd be up for keeping them a couple more years with this kind of production.

Kelly doesn't have enough speed as a DE, but his brute force can wear LT's down. We need a speed guy with a little more than Clemons to complement him on obvious passing downs, but that combo might pay dividends in the second half of the season.

With Sapp, Warren, Sands, and Kelly going into next season I'd be much more inclined to go after a killer DE, not just a speed guy, not just a power guy, but that two-way threat if there is one to be had. If not, I'd like a speed guy who doesn't get engulfed against the run. A mid-career Johnstone, or last two seasons Burgess. The guy we all thought Moses would be. :shakehead:

BigTron
10-01-2007, 04:24 PM
I think we have 7 sacks? But yeah, close enough.

Winston Justice looked worse than Sims or Gallery ever have. Holy crap! But with Strahan on the other end, and Robbins and Cofield collapsing the middle, Philly didn't stand a chance with a backup at LT.

I think with Warren in the middle now, when we get Burgess back we'll be able to put up some decent QB pressure. But to get the kind of pressure the Giants did last night we'd need an upgrade, because Kelly wouldn't have collected 6 sacks, 3 tops in the exact same situation. Brayton might even have collected a couple in that situation.

Other things that helped the Giants collect all those sacks were stunts and blitzes. Some of our pressure on Green came from stunts. Warren's sack came from a twist with the end. I first wondered which DE collected the sack and then saw it was Warren. Sapp got a hit after stunting around the end and a hurry on a twist with Warren (the play he crawled into Green's knee).

Getting pressure isn't just a physical thing, it's a mental thing too. Justice wasn't up to the task, but the play calling didn't help him out either. Regardless, the Giants didn't just give him the same look play after play. They kept him guessing and thinking, instead of just reacting. Unmenyora isn't a great end with great speed, but he had enough speed and strength to take a relatively short path on the slow to set Justice.

Justice looked terrible yesterday. The culprit is Andy Reid. The Giants had De's playing over the guards instead of DT's! And the Eagles kept dropping back to pass regardless. I felt like punching the TV watching that game. I think Andy Reid is done in Philly. His family is out of contorl and his team is struggling. I wish the best for him, but its not looking good. They were running the ball really well and should have jammed it down the NYG throat. Instead they kept letting McNabb get murdered. If the Eagles became a run first team they would be a playoff squad. Their Rb's average 6 yards and still cant get touches, in close games, with skinny DE's over guard, while giving up a NFL record in sacks... WTF Eagles?

Madturk
10-01-2007, 05:25 PM
With Sapp, Warren, Sands, and Kelly going into next season I'd be much more inclined to go after a killer DE, not just a speed guy, not just a power guy, but that two-way threat if there is one to be had. If not, I'd like a speed guy who doesn't get engulfed against the run. A mid-career Johnstone, or last two seasons Burgess. The guy we all thought Moses would be. :shakehead:

Yeah his name is Jared Allen:D Let's just hope that King Carl is stupid enough not to tag him. He's hands down their best defensive player.

RaiderIVlife
10-01-2007, 11:47 PM
Madturk is pushing hard for Jared Allen.

Have to admit, Allen seems like an Al Davis type of player if there ever was one, but I can't see KC letting him walk.

Abelardo
10-02-2007, 08:01 AM
The problem with the Raiders pass pressure is they absolutely depend on Burgess to chase the QB. Put him out of the equation and we lost everything. That needs t change, but it won't happen this year. Pass pressure to me must come from the system, not from an individual effort. Of course, if you got both its much better. many good QBs, if you don't apply a little pressure they will tear you apart. Fortunately we've just faced Kitna, Cutler, Derek Anderson(????? wtf) , and sorry a$$ Trent Green. I don't want to imagine the Raiders facing Tom Brady in the the situation our defence is.

S and B Executioner
10-02-2007, 10:59 AM
Yeah his name is Jared Allen:D Let's just hope that King Carl is stupid enough not to tag him. He's hands down their best defensive player.


And again I say, even if KC tags him, go get him!! What does it cost a first and second rounder? What have we done with our 1st and second round picks lately? Do we even know for sure they will pan out? With Allen, you KNOW what you are getting! Dude missed the 1st 2 games and comes out firing on all cylinders! Dude is sick! PLUS you take him away from division foe which is good for a couple of wins right there! I'd pull the trigger on it as soon as the FA season begins!