2007 Draft Day Thread... Day 2

[Raidermania12]

ok, lets see if we can't get some impact weapons on day 2.
Pass-rushers available on Day 2
Pasquarelli
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
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There aren't a lot of certainties on the second day of any NFL draft.

Except, it seems, for one: Some team will unearth a defender, a guy who somehow slipped through the cracks in the first three rounds, with innate pass-rush ability. A player who at some point early in his career, perhaps even as a rookie, will register double-digit sacks.

It happens just about every year, and there's no reason to believe that it won't happen once again Sunday.

"(It's) just one of those freak things," said Chicago general manager Jerry Angelo. "On the second day, you're looking for guys who might not be complete players, but who have one outstanding (characteristic). And if that one thing happens to be upfield speed, the ability to press the pocket, you're going to be interested. Those kinds of guys are always worth the gamble on the second day."

Angelo rolled the dice on such a player last season, choosing defensive end Mark Anderson of Alabama in the fifth round, and came up with a winner. With the 159th player selected, the 17th end taken in the draft, Angelo got a guy who notched 12 sacks as a rookie. Those dozen sacks led all rookie defenders and were 7½ more than Houston Texans defensive end Mario Williams, the top choice overall in the 2006 lottery, managed in his debut season.

The Texans paid Williams nearly $15 million for last season. The Bears' total investment in Anderson for 2006 was $431.550.

So finding a young outside pass-rusher on the second day of the draft is not only a windfall on game day, but also a bargain on payday.

Chicago wasn't the only team to discover a pass-rush threat on the second day of the 2006 draft. Denver chose Elvis Dumervil in the fourth round, and the former Louisville standout produced 8½ sacks as a rookie. Fact is, the list of solid pass-rushers gleaned on the second day of the draft since 2002 is very impressive.

Aaron Kampman of Green Bay, who has increased his sack total each of his five seasons in the NFL and who had 15½ quarterback takedowns in 2006, was a fifth-round pick in 2002. That same year, the Bears landed end Alex Brown, who has 27½ career sacks, in the fourth round. In 2003, Indianapolis tabbed Robert Mathis in the fourth round, and he's rewarded the craftiness of the Colts' scouting staff with 35 sacks in four seasons, including three years in which he had nine sacks or more.

Few drafts can compare with the 2004 lottery in terms of turning out second-day rushers. Kansas City got Jared Allen, who has 27 ½ sacks in four seasons, in the fourth round that year. The Bengals chose Robert Geathers, who has 17 sacks in three years, including 10 ½ last season, in the fourth round. And in the seventh round, Jacksonville selected Bobby McCray, who had 10 sacks in 2006.

In 2005, Philadelphia reached for little known Trent Cole in the fifth round, and the former University of Cincinnati rusher has 13 sacks in two years, with eight last season.

Said the Colts' Mathis: "People think that all there are on the second day are special teams players. But there are some people with special talents, period, who teams seem to find on the second day."

One player still on the board after Saturday's three rounds, a defender often compared to Mathis by scouts, is Antwan Barnes of Florida International.

A classic in-between guy who might project into a hybrid-type defender or situational pass-rusher, Barnes has 4.46 speed and comes off the corner like a heat-seeking missile. He is just 6-feet-0 ½ and 242 pounds, but has the kind of quick-twitch explosiveness that will make him difficult to ignore on the second day. Barnes had 23 sacks for his career, including 11 in 2005, and, like Mathis, is adept at the sack-and-strip technique.

"I just feel like my quickness is going to get me past a lot of (offensive) tackles," Barnes said. "And if I get close to the quarterback, I'm getting him."

Three more defenders with outstanding pass-rush skills who could be taken on Sunday:

• DE Mkristo Bruce (Washington State): In four seasons, Bruce had 29½ sacks, with 10 in 2005 and 11 in 2006, when he ranked among the nation's sack leaders. Bruce doesn't run as well as scouts would like, with a time of about 5.12 in the 40. But he's got the kind of long body (6-feet-5 ¾, 268 pounds) and long arms scouts love and just seems to have a knack for compressing the pocket.

• LB Marshall Murrell (Appalachian State): The son of former NFL tailback Adrian Murrell rang up 34½ career sacks. In the past two seasons, he had 26 sacks, with 13 each in 2005 and 2006. He also forced 13 fumbles in those two years. Murrell is 6-feet-1½, 233 pounds and runs in the high-4.7s. Scouts feel he might be able to contribute early in his career as a special teams player.

• DE/LB Justin Hickman (UCLA): He is not especially big (6-feet-1 ½, 254 pounds), quick (4.79) or athletic, but he blossomed as a pass rusher in 2006, when he had 12 sacks. He could start on special teams while he hones his skills.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

i'd take a gamble on Hickman in he's available in the 5th or 6th.

[Knight]

I can't sleep again...

[Knight]

We got a freakish pass rusher already..... lets grab an O-lineman.

[Raidermania12]

we already nabbed that. DT has to be nabbed at some point.

[Knight]

Henderson is a career underachiever. However, I would be on board for the right DT.... who did you have in mind?

[CrossBones]

Defensive tackle should be a priority today.

I'd still like Michael Bush right here with the first pick today (Is he still available?)!

Cya guys later tonight. Off to the links! :D

[massraider]

I am with RaiderMania, love a DT. But I also wouldn't be mad at a S, or even a CB.

I am gonna guess we don't take any of the character concerns. Just seems like we going in the other direction.

Too bad, I'd love Eric Wright or marcus Thomas.

[Knight]

What other DTs do you like? Are we looking for a plugger or an UT?

[007]

DT and a G

RB with talent too...

[Knight]

Fireworks!!!!!

[007]

Mike Bush a Raider !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[massraider]

Holy freaking crap.

Also, we traded Moss to the pats for their 4th? Is that right? Awesome. Addition by subtraction.

[Limee]

Makes a lot of sense although a bit concerned about his dedication.

[S and B Executioner]

MICHAEL FREAKIN BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best draft ever for the Raiders, go defense the rest of the way Al and we are good!!

J Russ- Potential franchise QB

Miller-Starter at TE

Higgins- burner, burner, burner

Bush- Starter by 08

Man, this is getting fun!!

[RaiderDestiny]

Has anyone heard if the NE pick is 110 or 127?

[007]

I've heard 128, Schefter said the physical will take a bit

[massraider]

Best draft ever for the Raiders,



That's what I'm takin' bout.

[007]

I love it on NFLN.

The five needs on the Raiders are all blacked out on the screen, and we have infused high caliber talent into the room.

We've dumped cancers, brought in some talented players..

[MasterRaider]

I dont know alot about Mike Bush but someone here or somewhere else said he could be like Frank Gore one day so I aint complaining haha

[Limee]

We have added some serious size, with Higgins being the only pick under 6'3 or 250lbs.

[Knight]

Frank Gore? His running style couldn't be more dissimilar.

[S and B Executioner]

I love it on NFLN.

The five needs on the Raiders are all blacked out on the screen, and we have infused high caliber talent into the room.

We've dumped cancers, brought in some talented players..


Talented and GOOD GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No punks, no gangstas, etc! Lovin it today!!

[MasterRaider]

Frank Gore? His running style couldn't be more dissimilar.

I have no clue man haha...just what the guy said...I dont know why...guess he was wrong

[007]

He could be like Frank Gore in the fact that he is a slipping prospect with injury history, and huge upside.

He runs like Jamal Lewis/Greg Jones, I think.

1 cut, tons of power, good speed, and can break some tackles.

[MasterRaider]

^^^ Yeah whatever RaiderFan said!

[S and B Executioner]

Frank Gore? His running style couldn't be more dissimilar.

I think the comparison is to the injury thing. If Bush can overcome his injuries, then he can be a 1st rounde pick in Round 4, much like Gore dropped because of injuries and succeded.

[hawaiianboy]

Nice thing to wake up to... Damn this 5am start times...

[Limee]

One of Street & Smiths concerns with Bush:

Left Handed. :confused:

Ex-QB so could add in the old HB option.

[Knight]

He could be like Frank Gore in the fact that he is a slipping prospect with injury history, and huge upside.

He runs like Jamal Lewis/Greg Jones, I think.

1 cut, tons of power, good speed, and can break some tackles.


Yeah he does run alot like Jamal Lewis, kind of a combination of Jamal Lewis and Eddie George.

[R4Life]

Defensive tackle should be a priority today.

I'd still like Michael Bush right here with the first pick today (Is he still available?)!

Cya guys later tonight. Off to the links! :D

Nice call Bones Daddy

[Knight]

One of Street & Smiths concerns with Bush:

Left Handed. :confused:

Ex-QB so could add in the old HB option.

He's left-handed? Crap. I'm jumping off the bandwagon.

[S and B Executioner]

Nice thing to wake up to... Damn this 5am start times...

Good morning HB! I am with ya on the start times. My body clock is all fugged up after years in Omaha, one in Idaho, a spell in Iraq and now cali time? 8 AM was too early on a Sunday morning! 5 AM has to blow!

[S and B Executioner]

He's left-handed? Crap. I'm jumping off the bandwagon.


Slicing my wrists as we speak!! WHO GIVES A FUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[007]

Trade is official:

Moss for 110.

We pick in a few more minutes.

I love today!

[MasterRaider]

Trade is offical...we got a pick coming up now...110th pick I think...

[007]

He's left-handed? Crap. I'm jumping off the bandwagon.

Damn waste of a pick, hey?

[Limee]

He's left-handed? Crap. I'm jumping off the bandwagon.

Slicing my wrists as we speak!! WHO GIVES A FUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Probably should have kept that info to myself. :D

[Knight]

old

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[Raidermania12]

1st rounder next year. So Al Davis got what he wants.


I'm not too enthused about this Receiving Core we have though. Alot of unproven question marks. Hopefully Michael Bush is healthy. If so, we just snagged a RB very similar LJ in attributes and with alot of potential to make a run for Lamont Jordan's spot.

[S and B Executioner]

Gimme Marcus Thomas!!!!

[Knight]

1st rounder next year. So Al Davis got what he wants.


I'm not too enthused about this Receiving Core we have though. Alot of unproven question marks. Hopefully Michael Bush is healthy. If so, we just snagged a RB very similar LJ in attributes and with alot of potential to make a run for Lamont Jordan's spot.

wait...... what?

[Raidermania12]

espn is reporting a 1st rounder next year along with this 4th. maybe they are lying. Oh when I said LJ, I meant Larry Johnson. Lamont doesnt count as an LJ with his average self.

[007]

John Bowie?

Damn.

[007]

'Height-weight -speed prospect with a chance'

'A track guy with a late round possibililty'

Yuck.

[Knight]

Well there we have the mind-boggling CB pick. Couldn't that shit have waited until the late 5th at least?

[S and B Executioner]

John WHO?? The second reach of the draft! Oh well, still a stellar draft!

[hawaiianboy]

Damn we made that pick fast.....


There's Al's fast corner..

[Knight]

Well there we have the mind-boggling CB pick. Couldn't that shit have waited until the late 5th at least?

Scout's Inc has him rated as a 20! A fucking 20!!!!

What the fuck?????? What the mother fuck????

[007]

NFL.com doesnt even have a prospect profile...

They have 400 prospect profiles.

[Limee]

Al has to get his track star CB, at least he waited until day 2 this year.

[Knight]

He is the 76th ranked CORNERBACK.

God damnit.

[massraider]

Speedball CB. There's a need for a 4th CB, and maybe nickel if Nnamdi leaves after 2007.

I know nothing about this guy. Definitely a reach, NFLDS had him as a FA-type, but stock on the rise. Probably just because he ran fast at the Pro Day.

Don't mind the position, tho. Today should be about defense.

Grab Antonio Johnson, Marcus Thomas, John Wendling, or someone from massraider's Little Al entry.

[Knight]

4.24 is his listed 40 time.

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[S and B Executioner]

I see nothing anywhere that says we are getting a 1st round pick in the Moss deal

[Raidermania12]

another project speedy CB? bleh

[Raidermania12]

I see nothing anywhere that says we are getting a 1st round pick in the Moss deal

ESPN on tv said 1st rounder 2008. maybe they are lying. but thats what they posted on the tv.

[Knight]

There is a 5'1" dwarf cornerback rated higher than him.

I'm not making this up.

[Knight]

There is a 5'1" dwarf cornerback rated higher than him.

I'm not making this up.


and he runs a 4.5...... he must have like a 70 inch vertical or something.

[S and B Executioner]

Speedball CB. There's a need for a 4th CB, and maybe nickel if Nnamdi leaves after 2007.

I know nothing about this guy. Definitely a reach, NFLDS had him as a FA-type, but stock on the rise. Probably just because he ran fast at the Pro Day.

Don't mind the position, tho. Today should be about defense.

Grab Antonio Johnson, Marcus Thomas, John Wendling, or someone from massraider's Little Al entry.

You would think at 192 years old, Al would put substance over style and want the pieces to win a championship, not just the chance to show what a talent finder he is. Still has that ego workin! Bad pick.........great draft! Al has to have his track star CB...............

[massraider]

He is the 76th ranked CORNERBACK.

God damnit.

NFLDS has him 32nd.

I'm not gonna try and polish a turd, though.


From PFW's Draft book:

Ran a 4.24 on a fast service. Won the Big East 100 meter title in 05. Was clocked faster than any other player at the Texas vs. The Nation All-Star Game, Shows an explosive short area burst to close. Has some return ability.

DOes not have grat instincts. Is forced to rely on natural ability. Not very tough or physical.

SUmmary: Measurables alone sohuld get him drafted, and could stick in the league with good coaching. A raw talent who showed some progress last tear.

[Raidermania12]

There is a 5'1" dwarf cornerback rated higher than him.

I'm not making this up.

Well now we have John "woodson" Bowie and Johnnie "moss" higgins. these are typical davis picks. meaning they are useless on any level other than ST. Yet people here are under the firm belief Higgins is gonna "burn" people lights out on the field, which means he moved ahead of gabriel, williams, porter, and curry on the depth chart. whatever.

[S and B Executioner]

ESPN on tv said 1st rounder 2008. maybe they are lying. but thats what they posted on the tv.

I checked thier website and it says nothing. Maybe one of their overpaid ex-jocks SPECULATING!! Pricks!

[massraider]

Well now we have John "woodson" Bowie and Johnnie "moss" higgins. these are typical davis picks. meaning they are useless on any level other than ST.

I think you're selling Higgins short.

But chin up, maybe we can draft a slow WR next round for you.

[S and B Executioner]

Well now we have John "woodson" Bowie and Johnnie "moss" higgins. these are typical davis picks. meaning they are useless on any level other than ST.


I agree with you on Bowie, but Higgins is a stud pick and was rated by MANY as a high to mid 2nd rounder. And we got him for a low 3rd! Stealin as far as I am concerned. Take the flier on Bowie, we all know Al does this crap, but we've had a great draft, big deal!

[hawaiianboy]

I've actually seen Bowie projected to the 4-5 area when researching my lil Al... The Steelers were supposedly high on him after that Texas vs the Nation All Star game...


That said, we already have a similar player in Stanford Routt, though I have a feeling this pick was made because Routt is more comforatble playing on the outside while this guy could play inside on the slot...

[007]

Or maybe we should have held out for that package of 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks for Moss next year....

Wait a minute...

I'd say getting 7 of the first 110 picks, Moss gone, and McCown/Williams in here is a good day.

Even if John Bowie is a track guy.

We pick in about 1 more hour guys, 2 more picks in the fifth...Al D's best round :)

[S and B Executioner]

NFLDS has him 32nd.

I'm not gonna try and polish a turd, though.


From PFW's Draft book:

Ran a 4.24 on a fast service. Won the Big East 100 meter title in 05. Was clocked faster than any other player at the Texas vs. The Nation All-Star Game, Shows an explosive short area burst to close. Has some return ability.

DOes not have grat instincts. Is forced to rely on natural ability. Not very tough or physical.

SUmmary: Measurables alone sohuld get him drafted, and could stick in the league with good coaching. A raw talent who showed some progress last tear.


Translation: Carr, you better bring your A game to camp because you have some competition for PUNT returns. Bowie is gonna be a ST player, and that's it.

[massraider]

I've actually seen Bowie projected to the 4-5 area when researching my lil Al... The Steelers were supposedly high on him after that Texas vs the Nation All Star game...


That said, we already have a similar player in Stanford Routt, though I have a feeling this pick was made because Routt is more comforatble playing on the outside while this guy could play inside on the slot...

With Bowie and Higgins, both returners, joining this team, plus the idea of Bowie as a developmental CB, Chris Carr's position on this team just got a lot more shaky.


EDIT: I see S&B Ex is copying off my paper again.

[Raidermania12]

I think you're selling Higgins short.

But chin up, maybe we can draft a slow WR next round for you.

i'm glad you enjoy watching picks go to waste. I can't share that element myself. This defense is gonna be iffy against the run and the offense "better" score alot or we are picking #1 next year.

[Knight]

Wendling would have been a better and more versitle pick for ST.

Overall: Wendling was redshirted in 2002 before playing in all 12 games (one start) in 2003 and registering 17 total tackles, one pass breakup, one forced fumble, and two blocked kicks. In 2004, he started all 12 games and finished the season with 89 total tackles, three interceptions, six pass breakups, and three fumble recoveries. Wendling started all 11 games in 2005, recording 75 total tackles, one tackle for loss, one sack, three interceptions, three pass breakups, and two forced fumbles. He started all 12 games in 2006, registering 78 total tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, one sack, one interception, one forced fumble, and two fumble recoveries returning one for a touchdown. Wendling also rushed six fake punts for 119 yards and returned 11 kicks for 202 yards, helping him earn first team All-Mountain West accolades as a senior.

[massraider]

i'm glad you enjoy watching picks go to waste. I can't share that element myself. This defense is gonna be iffy against the run and the offense "better" score alot or we are picking #1 next year.

Whatever dude. If you have a problem with Higgins other than his 40 time, let me know.

Otherwise, I just don't have time for the neg vibe. This draft rocks. Maybe some other time.

[Knight]

i'm glad you enjoy watching picks go to waste. I can't share that element myself. This defense is gonna be iffy against the run and the offense "better" score alot or we are picking #1 next year.


I wouldn't go as far as "iffy". If we get a halfway decent offensive that can actually maintain possession and help us stay in games it will do alot to make those D vs. run numbers better.

[massraider]

I would have liked Wendling as well, Knight.

Still rooting for Antonio Johnson or Marcus at the top of the 5th.

[Knight]

When can I start rooting for Walter Thomas without feeling guilty? : )

[007]

4 more picks today, and all experts were expecting Thomas to be a UDFA after interviews and Pro days...

If we get him with the sixth, I'll pretend we took Bowie there. ;)

[hawaiianboy]

fuckabuncha Randy Moss

[Raidermania12]

Whatever dude. If you have a problem with Higgins other than his 40 time, let me know.

Otherwise, I just don't have time for the neg vibe. This draft rocks. Maybe some other time.

You came at me with the humor on full tilt, then go pissy when i respond. sheesh, get your reality straight.

Seriously? He's 186 pounds and 5ft 11 in to 6ft. He won't make it off the line or over the middle. In fact one of his weaknesses is that he can't deal with bump and run coverage. Yet he's a burner? Nothing wrong with being positive about the picks. But i'm being a realist imo. I like all the picks except two. But i really really dont like them. So sue me.

[Knight]

4 more picks today, and all experts were expecting Thomas to be a UDFA after interviews and Pro days...

If we get him with the sixth, I'll pretend we took Bowie there. ;)

Deal.

:D :D :D

[Knight]

You came at me with the humor on full tilt, then go pissy when i respond. sheesh, get your reality straight.

Seriously? He's 186 pounds and 5ft 11 in to 6ft. He won't make it off the line or over the middle. In fact one of his weaknesses is that he can't deal with bump and run coverage. Yet he's a burner? Nothing wrong with being positive about the picks. But i'm being a realist imo. I like all the picks except two. But i really really dont like them.

You like the Henderson pick? :eek:

[Knight]

Can someone post any kind of scouting report on Bowie?

[Raidermania12]

You like the Henderson pick? :eek:

Damnit why did you remind. To be closer, i'm not mad about it. But blame my ignorance to how he's played in college. if he goes fodder, anger will rise i guess.

[S and B Executioner]

Can someone post any kind of scouting report on Bowie?

Real fast, no skills

[Knight]

Damnit why did you remind. To be closer, i'm not mad about it. But blame my ignorance to how he's played in college. if he goes fodder, anger will rise i guess.

He's a career underachiever. He is physically gifted.

[Raidermania12]

Can someone post any kind of scouting report on Bowie?

just look up stanford routt. :mad: and no i'm not kidding. Read it.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/johnbowie.html

Posted 38/2/4 as a senior, when he became a full-time starter. Missed all but two games of his junior season with a shoulder injury. Sat on the sidelines for most of the ‘04 campaign after tearing a ligament in his right knee. Sprint champion in the Big East Conference.

Pos:

Athletic prospect with outstanding size/speed numbers. Easily runs anywhere on the field with opponents and quickly closes to the action. Plays to his timed speed.

Neg:

Prefers to side-shuffle and lacks overall defensive back fundamentals. Not a decisive player, and does a lot of face-guarding.

[massraider]

Shoot, Allen Barbre went. He fit our scheme. But I doubt another OT was on the agenda anyway.

[NIPS]

Gimme Mauel Rameirez or Marcus Thomas in rd 5

[S and B Executioner]

Gimme Mauel Rameirez or Marcus Thomas in rd 5

Ramirez is gone already big fella

[massraider]

Manny Ramirez went.

Is everyone agreed, a DT at 5.1?

[Limee]

Sporting News with their strange ratings had Bowie as a 5th rounder sleeper who was on the rise.

[R4Life]

Denver moves up to take Marcus Thomas

[hawaiianboy]

Seriously? He's 186 pounds and 5ft 11 in to 6ft. He won't make it off the line or over the middle. In fact one of his weaknesses is that he can't deal with bump and run coverage. Yet he's a burner? Nothing wrong with being positive about the picks. But i'm being a realist imo. I like all the picks except two. But i really really dont like them. So sue me.


Have you actually watched the guy play?... Most of his catches are made going across the seams...

[Raidermania12]

Manny Ramirez went.

Is everyone agreed, a DT at 5.1?

Keith Jackson

[massraider]

Denver moves up to take Marcus Thomas

Good call.

Antonio Johnson it is. Wouldn't be mad at Samson Satele either.

[Jack's sore libido]

I'd sort of like to see them take that Walter Thomas kid now.

Just to watch some Raider fans' heads explode.

[Knight]

Sporting News with their strange ratings had Bowie as a 5th rounder sleeper who was on the rise.

Cool, i'll take it over what I thought it was.

[raider60]

I'll take a flier on Bowie--he can't be less productive and more of a cancer than Moss was last year--

[Raidermania12]

Have you actually watched the guy play?... Most of his catches are made going across the seams...

yep against a slew of great teams that no less than average average wr could torch. ~sigh~

I concede. Johhnie Lee Higgins was sued by Flash for stealing his Mojo. He eats lightning and craps thunder.

[massraider]

Cool, i'll take it over what I thought it was.

BTW, The Sporting News took a lot of heat, they had Brady Quinn rated much, much lower than everyone.

[007]

I just thought of this:

We traded Moss and a3rd in 2008 for a 3rd, 4th and 5th rounder this year, if you break all the trades down and put them into one big trade...(We got Gabriel back for the free fifth rounder)

That aint bad at all.

[R4Life]

Good call.

Antonio Johnson it is. Wouldn't be mad at Samson Satele either.

I wish I would have been wrong

[hawaiianboy]

I'd sort of like to see them take that Walter Thomas kid now.

Just to watch some Raider fans' heads explode.



I'm almost actually hoping to see a WR just to see the reactions...


Lane Kiffin has got his bad self together...

[massraider]

I'm almost actually hoping to see a WR just to see the reactions...


Lane Kiffin has got his bad self together...

Be tough to knock Aundre Allison.

Hmmm, maybe a LB? I wouldn't mind a FS prospect that can help on ST.

[007]

Good run of my targets gone now.

Wrotto, Barbre, Atkins, Thomas...

[Turo]

Doug Free gone, too. Would have preferred him over Henderson, personally.

[Limee]

Strengths
Is a good athlete and has ideal quickness. Has the elite speed to cover any reciever downfield and an explosive burst to recover from misssteps. Is willing to chase down running backs on the other side of the field. Uses his hands well and is physical with recievers.

Weaknesses
Is raw and a much better athlete than football player. Started only 1 season in college and lacks experience. Has a choppy backpedal and doesn't change directions quickly. Lacks ball awareness. Is a durability risk after missing most of 2005 with an arm injury.

Bottom Line
Bowie has off the charts skills - he's a former Big East 100 metre champion and can make plays in coverage. He's an intriguing late round project who could eventually develop into a starter.

[BigTron]

Come one guys we gotta throw Al a bone. He basically gave us what we wanted and fianlly drafted a high QB. I didnt think he would ever do that. A few track stars and a underachiever at T wont sour this draft for me. Fast guys on special team other guy is Cable's new bitch. MIchael Fucking Bush was a great pick and single handidly saved my little Al from looking like Shannys chewed up grill.

[Turo]

But, I'm still buzzing over the rest of the draft, Bowie, Henderson not withstanding. Michael M-F'in Bush! YES!

[TommyGirl]

Are people seriously displeased with this draft? I'm actually pretty happy.

[massraider]

One thing to bear in mind here.

These draftniks, these draft sites we get our info from, their slotting of players is a lot more accurate on the Day 1 guys.

Their rankings vary wildly from each other, and probably form NFL teams as well.

A lot of these teams are taking guys that either were thought to go much earlier, or much later. Not everyone, but many of these guys.

Someone calls a reach in the 2nd, I trust it more than a reach in the 4th round. There aren't 32 guys ranked as 4th rounders. There's a lot more, because this is where the rankings really diverge.

[007]

I hate that Higgins is getting the 'track star' label though...

He runs a 4.35 yes, but he also had a great career at UTEP.

The dude can play.

[R4Life]

Are people seriously displeased with this draft? I'm actually pretty happy.

I'm very happy. I took Bush off my L'il Al to not Jinx it. We locked up 2 skill positions on O and got a great TE to boot. I like Higgins even. And we sent Moss packing to go over and ruin NE. Maybe they cut him and we get him back on waivers...

[hawaiianboy]

The value picks seem to be on the offensive side of the ball:


Josh Beekman
Ben Patrick
Matrez Milner
Courtney Taylor
Chansi Stuckey
Mike Otto
Troy Smith
Doug Datich


Antoinio Johnson is still there at DT and Ryan seemed to like the guy at the SR Bowl

[Turo]

And, one of the reasons that we seem to do so well in the late rounds is that we don't buy the $100,000 player analysis that most of the league does. We have a group of folks that produce our own, independent analysis of all the prospects.

So, take that for what that's worth.

[Jack's sore libido]

Higgins as a senior:

82 catches, 1319 yards, 13 touchdowns

Yeah, they play a schitty schedule, but then again, he's not surrounded by NFL talent, either.

[Knight]

I hate that Higgins is getting the 'track star' label though...

He runs a 4.35 yes, but he also had a great career at UTEP.

The dude can play.


Yeah he's received pretty good ratings as an all-around receiver.

[hawaiianboy]

So does the Moss deal include an 08 first or not?

From PFT's chat:


There are reports that the Moss deal includes a first-round pick in 2008. Ad evidenced by this graphic from the front page of Yahoo! Sports.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/YahooMoss.gif

[massraider]

I think big news like that would be all over the place. I think Yahoo Sports just got their pants pulled down.

[Turo]

If that's accurate, I may shit my pants in glee.

[R4Life]

I've seen it a few places. Could be that ESPN mis-reported it, or could be true. If so, I hope it's the one they got from the 9ers.

[Banter]

Hard to believe the Pats would go from offering a 6th rounder yesterday to a 4th today and a future #1. Just can't believe it.

We also seem to get hit with stuff like this (the coin flip from last year) that gives us hope only to learn later that it wasn't true.

[MasterRaider]

Doubt its true...HIGHLY doubt it...

[massraider]

Scouts Inc. best remaining players:

Aundrae Allison WR E CAROLINA
Ben Patrick TE DELAWARE
Brandon Siler ILB FLORIDA
Tim Shaw OLB PENN STATE
Kenny Scott CB GA TECH
Tarell Brown CB TEXAS
Mason Crosby K COLORADO
Josh Gattis S W FOREST
David Clowney WR VA TECH
Troy Smith QB OHIO ST

Defensive tackles:

Derek Landri DT NOTRE DAME
Keith Jackson DT ARKANSAS
Ola Dagunduro DT NEBRASKA
Jeremy Clark DT ALABAMA
Brent Curvey DT IOWA ST
Matt Toeaina DT OREGON
Kelly Talavou DT UTAH
Walter Thomas DT
Antonio Johnson DT MISS ST
David Patterson DT OHIO ST

Safeties:

Josh Gattis S W FOREST
John Wendling S WYOMING
Michael Johnson S ARIZONA
Eric Frampton S WASH ST
Kevin Payne S LA MONROE
Daren Stone S MAINE
Brandon Harrison S STANFORD
Brandon Sharp S LOUISVILLE
Craig Dahl S
Nedu Ndukwe S NOTRE DAME

[Knight]

ESPN messed it up with the graphic, they did a dual graphic that combined the trade with the 49ers and the Moss trade.

[massraider]

OLB (some value here, I would think):

Tim Shaw OLB PENN STATE
Rory Johnson OLB OLE MISS
Rufus Alexander OLB OKLAHOMA
Tony Taylor OLB GEORGIA
Earl Everett OLB FLORIDA
Juwan Simpson OLB ALABAMA
Prescott Burgess OLB MICHIGAN
Kamichael Hall OLB GA TECH
Justin Hickman OLB UCLA
Dallas Sartz OLB USC

OT:

Brandon Frye OT VA TECH
Adam Koets OT OREGON ST
Julius Wilson OT UAB
Chase Johnson OT WYOMING
Dane Uperesa OT HAWAII
Mike Otto OT PURDUE
Chris Denman OT FRESNO ST
Corey Hilliard OT OKLAHOMA ST
Herbert Taylor OT TCU
Gabe Hall OT TEXAS TECH

[007]

Who you got boys?

[007]

Im gonna go Sartz (Kiffin's kid)

Or Walt Thomas.

Maybe Adam Koets?

At this point Im clueless

[R4Life]

We picked - who was it?

[R4Life]

Sirius teased me and went to commercial.

[massraider]

Jay Richardson, DE OSU.

Poor man's Tyler Brayton. :(

[R4Life]

Jay Richardson
Height: 6-5
Weight: 276 Position: Defensive End
College: Ohio State

Copyright NFLDraftScout.com, distributed by The Sports Xchange

OVERVIEW

A key reserve at defensive end and tackle earlier in his career, Richardson finally lived up to his high school reputation when he wrested a starting job at strongside defensive end in 2006. The quick and nimble pass rusher has also received looks from professional teams as a linebacker , as some scouts compare him to former Ohio State standout Mike Vrabel (New England).

Richardson was a first-team All-Ohio selection as a senior after leading Dublin Scioto High School to a 10-2 record. Of his 73 tackles that year, 43 were from behind the line of scrimmage. He also played tight end and led the league in touchdown receptions as a senior. He lettered in basketball for three seasons and averaged seven blocks per game as a senior, earning all-district honors.

As has been the policy at Ohio State, Richardson redshirted as a freshman in 2002. He saw limited action in five games in 2003, posting an assisted tackle. He started the team's first six games of the 2004 season for an injured Mike Kudla at weakside defensive end. He went on to deliver 15 tackles (eight solos) with a sack and two stops for losses.

Richardson returned to a reserve role at strongside defensive end in 2005. He managed 11 tackles (five solos) with a pair of sacks, as he deflected two passes and caused a fumble. He took over strongside end duties in 2006, starting all 13 games. He made 25 tackles (15 solos) with four sacks and 8.5 stops for losses. He also recovered a fumble and batted away seven passes.

In 39 games at Ohio State, Richardson started 19 times. He registered 52 tackles (28 solos) with seven sacks for minus-39 yards, 12.5 stops for losses of 52 yards and three quarterback pressures. He caused and recovered a fumble while also deflecting nine passes.
ANALYSIS

Positives: Tall, long-limbed athlete who uses his long arm reach and leaping ability to excel at knocking down low passes at the line of scrimmage … His frame looks more slender than his bulk indicates, bit he has room to add at least another 20 pounds of bulk without it impacting his quickness … Can rotate along the line, as he has a quick burst off the edge as an end and knows how to keep his pads down and shoot his hands to get underneath the blocker's jersey and split tackles playing an interior position … Has adequate strength and long arms to defeat reach blocks … Has added needed bulk in 2006 and did a better job of holding and gaining leverage at the point of attack … Knows how to use his long arms to defeat blocks and shows enough burst to generate a good backside pursuit … Has the long legs and stride to take a wide loop around the offensive tackle and still pressure the pocket … Uses his height, long arms and leaping ability to knock down a fair share of passes and is also efficient using those long arms to drag down and engulf ball carriers at the perimeter … Effective at reading keys and does a good job of closing on the ball once he locates it … Shows good snap anticipation and won't be fooled by a hard count … Might over-run plays more often than you want, but shows a relentless motor in pursuit.

Negatives: Long-limbed type whose high-cut torso prevents him from exploding off the snap, as he needs to build up his acceleration … Needs to add more muscle mass to his lower body, as he does struggle and get washed out vs. double-team action … Lacks the hip snap and fluid change-of-direction agility to flow down the line … Struggles to sink his weight and take angles into the backfield, as his gangly frame requires that he have a free lane or take a wide loop in order to accelerate quickly enough to pressure the pocket … Because of his long legs, he tends to stay high in his pads, which lets blockers get underneath his jersey quicker … Needs to show better vision in pursuit, as he will out-run a few plays or fail to locate the ball in backside pursuit … Uses his long reach to defeat blocks, as he lacks pass rush moves … Marginal tackler, as he struggles to break down in space … Takes a rolling start off the line and needs to get off the ball quicker.

Compares To: Lorenzo Bromell, ex-Miami -- Like Bromell, Richardson has a tall, lanky frame with long limbs that prevent him from sinking his pads and staying low in his stance … He is an efficient pass blocker, but lacks suddenness off the ball and tends to take a wide path to the quarterback … He needs to add more lower-body strength and bulk, but can earn a roster spot due to his versatility … Some teams are looking at him as a possible linebacker, but he lacks the timed speed to be effective there in pass coverage.
INJURY REPORT

No injuries reported.
AGILITY TESTS

Campus: 4.9 in the 40-yard dash … 2.84 20-yard dash … 1.69 10-yard dash … 375-pound bench press … 485-pound squat … 350-pound power clean … 32½-inch vertical jump … 4.63 20-yard shuttle … 7.26 three-cone drill.

Combine: 5.04 in the 40-yard dash … 1.73 10-yard dash … 2.9 20-yard dash … 4.54 20-yard shuttle … 7.5 three-cone drill … 33-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-4 broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 20 times.
HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Dublin (Ohio) Scioto High School, earning first-team All-Ohio honors as a senior after leading the team to a 10-2 record … Of his 73 tackles that year, 43 were from behind the line of scrimmage … Also played tight end and led the league in touchdown receptions as a senior … Lettered in basketball for three seasons and averaged seven blocks per game as a senior, earning all-district honors.
PERSONAL

African-American Studies major … Son of Glen and Deborah Johnson … Father played college football at Tiffin University while his mother played rugby at Ohio State … Born Jan. 27, 1984 … Resides in Dublin, Ohio.

[Jack's sore libido]

Jay Richardon's mother played rugby.


A key reserve at defensive end and tackle earlier in his career, Richardson finally lived up to his high school reputation when he wrested a starting job at strongside defensive end in 2006. The quick and nimble pass rusher has also received looks from professional teams as a potential linebacker candidate, as some scouts compare him to former Ohio State standout Mike Vrabel (New England).

Richardson was a first-team All-Ohio selection as a senior after leading Dublin Scioto High School to a 10-2 record. Of his 73 tackles that year, 43 were from behind the line of scrimmage. He also played tight end and led the league in touchdown receptions as a senior. He lettered in basketball for three seasons and averaged seven blocks per game as a senior, earning all-district honors.

As has been the policy at Ohio State, Richardson redshirted as a freshman in 2002. He saw limited action in five games in 2003, posting an assisted tackle. He started the team's first six games of the 2004 season for an injured Mike Kudla at weakside defensive end. He went on to deliver 15 tackles (eight solos) with a sack and two stops for losses.

Richardson returned to a reserve role at strongside defensive end in 2005. He managed 11 tackles (five solos) with a pair of sacks, as he deflected two passes and caused a fumble. He took over strongside end duties in 2006, starting all 13 games. He made 25 tackles (15 solos) with four sacks and 8.5 stops for losses. He also recovered a fumble and batted away seven passes.

In 39 games at Ohio State, Richardson started 19 times. He registered 52 tackles (28 solos) with seven sacks for minus-39 yards, 12.5 stops for losses of 52 yards and three quarterback pressures. He caused and recovered a fumble while also deflecting nine passes.
ANALYSIS

Positives: Tall, long-limbed athlete who uses his long arm reach and leaping ability to excel at knocking down low passes at the line of scrimmage … His frame looks more slender than his bulk indicates, bit he has room to add at least another 20 pounds of bulk without it impacting his quickness … Can rotate along the line, as he has a quick burst off the edge as an end and knows how to keep his pads down and shoot his hands to get underneath the blocker's jersey and split tackles playing an interior position … Has adequate strength and long arms to defeat reach blocks … Has added needed bulk in 2006 and did a better job of holding and gaining leverage at the point of attack … Knows how to use his long arms to defeat blocks and shows enough burst to generate a good backside pursuit … Has the long legs and stride to take a wide loop around the offensive tackle and still pressure the pocket … Uses his height, long arms and leaping ability to knock down a fair share of passes and is also efficient using those long arms to drag down and engulf ball carriers at the perimeter … Effective at reading keys and does a good job of closing on the ball once he locates it … Shows good snap anticipation and won't be fooled by a hard count … Might over-run plays more often than you want, but shows a relentless motor in pursuit.

Negatives: Long-limbed type whose high-cut torso prevents him from exploding off the snap, as he needs to build up his acceleration … Needs to add more muscle mass to his lower body, as he does struggle and get washed out vs. double-team action … Lacks the hip snap and fluid change-of-direction agility to flow down the line … Struggles to sink his weight and take angles into the backfield, as his gangly frame requires that he have a free lane or take a wide loop in order to accelerate quickly enough to pressure the pocket … Because of his long legs, he tends to stay high in his pads, which lets blockers get underneath his jersey quicker … Needs to show better vision in pursuit, as he will out-run a few plays or fail to locate the ball in backside pursuit … Uses his long reach to defeat blocks, as he lacks pass rush moves … Marginal tackler, as he struggles to break down in space … Takes a rolling start off the line and needs to get off the ball quicker.

Compares To: Lorenzo Bromell, ex-Miami -- Like Bromell, Richardson has a tall, lanky frame with long limbs that prevent him from sinking his pads and staying low in his stance … He is an efficient pass blocker, but lacks suddenness off the ball and tends to take a wide path to the quarterback … He needs to add more lower-body strength and bulk, but can earn a roster spot due to his versatility … Some teams are looking at him as a possible linebacker, but he lacks the timed speed to be effective there in pass coverage.

Campus: 4.9 in the 40-yard dash … 2.84 20-yard dash … 1.69 10-yard dash … 375-pound bench press … 485-pound squat … 350-pound power clean … 32½-inch vertical jump … 4.63 20-yard shuttle … 7.26 three-cone drill.

Combine: 5.04 in the 40-yard dash … 1.73 10-yard dash … 2.9 20-yard dash … 4.54 20-yard shuttle … 7.5 three-cone drill … 33-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-4 broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 20 times.

[hawaiianboy]

OSU also played him as a three technique DT at times, which is where he projects for us IMO...

[Turo]

Jay Richardson, meh.

[massraider]

OSU also played him as a three technique DT at times, which is where he projects for us IMO...

Yup, this is a position switch guy. One gapper DT. Good call HB.

[R4Life]

Yup, this is a position switch guy. One gapper DT. Good call HB.

Dt at his weight?

[Turo]

This draft is quickly getting down graded.

For my sanity, I'll seperate the top 100 picks from the latter half.

First 100: An enthusiastic "A-"
Second half: A lackluster "C"

=/

[007]

I'll trust Millard on that one...I guess.

Im getting underwhelmed here.

[R4Life]

Starting Tackle - just said on Sirius, though they say he's a natural DE in the NFL

[massraider]

Dt at his weight?

Scouting report says he almost looks skinny at that height. Bet he can get to 290 with little effort.

Otherwise, he's a base end prospect, with 4.9/5.0 speed? Not exciting.

[007]

On a positive note, I dont think it was too much of a reach;

He's a fifth rounder in two of my draft guides...

[BigTron]

I have never heard of him, most draft sites give him moderate love.

[Knight]

I see him called a hard worker everywhere.... could be room for a hard working guy that can play DT/DE on a 2-14 team.

[S and B Executioner]

Jay Richardson, DE OSU.

Poor man's Tyler Brayton. :(


A poor mans wanna be . Dude is NOTHING like Brayton, in fact, he probably has more game than Brayton. Well, it is Al's half of the draft and it shows:(

[007]

Im really hoping for Brandon Frye, Joe Newton, Kevin Boss, DeShawn Wynn or Louis Leonard with the comp pick...

Depth pure and simple.

We arent gonna get a ton of Pro Bowlers on day two, so take a couple BPA's...

[hawaiianboy]

Dt at his weight?



According to Ikaika Francis, Rob Ryan was very interested in him as a guy we'd put 10-15 pounds on and move inside to as Sapp's eventual replacement... Richardson is about the same size and has the same kind of motor... I dunno, I just figured Rob was looking for a guy with some height that can get pressure up the gut... who knows, when you get into this area you're basically looking for guys that can develop 2-3 years down the road...

[Knight]

We lost my dream FB : (

[R4Life]

Hell, most any starter at Ohio State has been analyzed and tested his whole career and has potential.

[massraider]

Boy, how about Ben Patrick still sitting there?

[massraider]

Two picks coming up quick here, if we get one guy I dig, I'll be stoked.

Actually, we could draft a couch and a chair, and this draft is still a stud.

[NIPS]

Big Walter Thomas DT.... take hime

[Banter]

Moving him to UT makes sense to me as two rookie DEs (Moses and this guy) making the final 53-man roster would leave us lacking in experience in that unit.

[Knight]

Two picks coming up quick here, if we get one guy I dig, I'll be stoked.

Actually, we could draft a couch and a chair, and this draft is still a stud.


I want a chair with upside.... and wheels so we can scoot around on it!

[massraider]

Moving him to UT makes sense to me as two rookie DEs (Moses and this guy) making the final 53-man roster would leave us lacking in experience in that unit.

Burgess/Moses/Huntley/Brayton....

I think Richardson might get "injured" this summer.

[Turo]

Bing-itis? I hear it's going around.

[007]

I bet Jay Richardson is listed as a 'DT' by the end of the weekend.

We'll move him inside, I bet.

[hawaiianboy]

Ryan's taken a page right out of the Jimmy Johnson defense playbook...


Former corner (Huff) to safety...
Former safeties to LB (Bing, Howard)

Former DE's to DT


It's how you get fast...

[BigTron]

Walter Thomas and Ben Patrick would be damn fine picks right about now.

[TheNextStep]

I've been out cleaning my garage today and I'm taking a little break.

Somebody please clarify for me: Did we get a future pick for Moss or not? Was it just the 4th?

[Turo]

I think not. Sounds like it was a graphics-error from tee-vee land.

[massraider]

I've been out cleaning my garage today and I'm taking a little break.

Somebody please clarify for me: Did we get a future pick for Moss or not? Was it just the 4th?

Everyone except for some donkey at Yahoo Sports says just the 4th.

[Jack's sore libido]

I've been out cleaning my garage today and I'm taking a little break.

Somebody please clarify for me: Did we get a future pick for Moss or not? Was it just the 4th?

No one has mentioned it on TV. I don't think we got a future pick at all. Just Bowie.

[TheNextStep]

Thanks, guys.

Shit.

[massraider]

DAMMIT!!!

Tenn takes Antonio Johnson.

[RaiderDestiny]

What are everyone's thoughts on Bing? I like him. I like his speed and instincts. It will almost be like getting a LB in the draft this year since he did not play at all last year.

[Jack's sore libido]

13 picks until our next one:

Wish list:
QB Troy Smith
DE Mkristo Bruce
DT Walter Thomas
RB Jackie Battle
RB DeShawn Wynn
TE Kevin Boss
S John Wendling
LB John Abbate
RB Kenneth Darby

[Jack's sore libido]

Mike Bush talking about being ready by June.

Don't rus it, kid. Take a year to fully heal. Then we can cut Jordan and you can split duty with Rhodes.

[hawaiianboy]

Gawd damn I'm excited about the Bush pick!


Four of our draft picks were projected 1st round picks at some time or another....


Best draft weekend ever IMO...

[massraider]

What are everyone's thoughts on Bing? I like him. I like his speed and instincts. It will almost be like getting a LB in the draft this year since he did not play at all last year.

Who knows? Looked surprisingly good last year, in limited action in August. Ryan Riddle looked good too.

Loved the pick, and loved his play last summer, but I don't see him ever being a strongside linebacker, and that's the only job that may be available for the next 7-8 years. And that's if you hate Sam Williams, which I don't. I thought he did fine last year.

[R4Life]

Found this about our new O lineman coming out of High School. Dude was 330 lbs.


Mario Henderson
6-7, 330, Offensive Line
Lehigh, FL (Lehigh)

A three star player by Rivals.com and one of the top 40 rated offensive guards in the country…as a senior his squad finished with an 8-3 record and he earned All-District, All-Region and All-County honors…a massive presence on the offensive line…his junior year he sat out after transferring from Bishop Verot High School…on the basketball court he averaged 14 points and 11 rebounds while playing the center position…chose Florida State over Clemson.

[RaiderDestiny]

Never hurts to have quality depth I guess.

[massraider]

Mike Bush talking about being ready by June.

Don't rus it, kid. Take a year to fully heal. Then we can cut Jordan and you can split duty with Rhodes.

Ding ding ding.......

All I can think about Bush is that Al is thinking, "Boy I really screwed the pooch on that Nick Bell pick, this'll make up for it...."

My concern about Bush is that he runs like a small man. I'd like to see more Bettis in him.

And yes: Best Draft Ever.

[007]

Ben Patrick for value?

DeShawn Wynn?

[Banter]

but I don't see him ever being a strongside linebacker, and that's the only job that may be available for the next 7-8 years. And that's if you hate Sam Williams, which I don't. I thought he did fine last year.

I've been thinking we might have Howard add 10 pounds and move him to SAM. He's like a clone of Marcus Washington only faster. When Al talked about Howard last year he predicted he was going to be a star but we weren't currently using him they way they envisioned. Then Bing goes to WILL where Ryan has broken in 2 rookies the past 2 seasons.

[massraider]

Ben Patrick for value?

DeShawn Wynn?

I still have my heart set on another DT. Walter Thomas, maybe, but I'd prefer a Samoan. Our lack of Samoans is concerning.

[007]

Legedu Naanee!!!!

C'mon Al!

[massraider]

I've been thinking we might have Howard add 10 pounds and move him to SAM. He's like a clone of Marcus Washington only faster. When Al talked about Howard last year he predicted he was going to be a star but we weren't currently using him they way they envisioned. Then Bing goes to WILL where Ryan has broken in 2 rookies the past 2 seasons.

I could see it. I remember scouting reports saying he may project to SLB, as he has good coverage skills.

[MasterRaider]

Yeah on ESPN they all loved the Michael Bush pick...they said if he comes back at full health we got a hell of a steal and Michael Smith said "Watch out for the Raiders dawg, im telling you"

Then Salsbury or however you spell his damn name said "And we welcome the new GM of the Oakland Raiders Michael Smith" haha!

Raiders are being talked about alot this draft & its ALL been positive...I LOVE IT!!!

[Jack's sore libido]

Found this about our new O lineman coming out of High School. Dude was 330 lbs.


Mario Henderson
6-7, 330, Offensive Line
Lehigh, FL (Lehigh)

A three star player by Rivals.com and one of the top 40 rated offensive guards in the country…as a senior his squad finished with an 8-3 record and he earned All-District, All-Region and All-County honors…a massive presence on the offensive line…his junior year he sat out after transferring from Bishop Verot High School…on the basketball court he averaged 14 points and 11 rebounds while playing the center position…chose Florida State over Clemson.

I was living in SW Florida when he picked FSU.

We had high hopes for him, but he never turned into anything worth talking about.

[massraider]

Man, I wouldn't mind Brandon Siler here.

[massraider]

I was living in SW Florida when he picked FSU.

We had high hopes for him, but he never turned into anything worth talking about.

I'd like to see him in Europa next year. Athletic, developmental type, Jack?

[Turo]

That wouldn't be bad at all!

What's his 40 time? :rolleyes:

(meh)

[hawaiianboy]

Our lack of Samoans is concerning



Joe Anoai baby! I love watching him play... Not alot of natural talent, but the guy just punches away... plus he's related to just about every Samoan that ever wrestled professionally....

[R4Life]

From Jerry Mac

Block party
Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on Sunday at 10:11 am

Jay Richardson, a defensive end from Ohio State taken with Oakland's first pick in the fifth round, was a high school basketball star who averaged seven blocked shots per game.

Richardson became a starting end as a senior for the Buckeyes and the hope is he can develop as a pass rusher and someone who can pressure quarterbacks and bat down passes.

Early on Richardson could avoid the inactive list and play on Sundays if he can succeed Langston Walker as Oakland's primary kick blocker on place kicks.

[Knight]

I'd like to see him in Europa next year. Athletic, developmental type, Jack?

He didn't really develop in college, hard to imagine he would in NFLE.

[Jack's sore libido]

I'd like to see him in Europa next year. Athletic, developmental type, Jack?

He seemed to lack fire and toughness to me, which are things I don't think you can teach a guy. But I'm not exactly an expert on line play.

He's a Nole, so I love him, but I wasn't convinced he'd be drafted at all, based on his play at FSU.

[massraider]

He seemed to lack fire and toughness to me, but I'm not exactly an expert on line play.

He's a Nole, so I love him, but I wasn't convinced he'd be drafted at all, based on his play at FSU.

OK, worst pick of the weekend. :(

[Jack's sore libido]

I would say he and Bowie are the worst picks.

But hey, not everyone's going to be great. And we already have future Hall of Famers with Russell, Miller, Bush, Moses and Higgins, right? :)

[massraider]

I would say he and Bowie are the worst picks.

But hey, not everyone's going to be great. And we already have future Hall of Famers with Russell, Miller, Bush, Moses and Higgins, right? :)

Not to mention we have yet to draft another HoFer in Walter Thomas.

[Jack's sore libido]

And Mike Williams.

[Turo]

We're coming up again here...

*bracing for impact*

[hawaiianboy]

I have a hard time believing we made the pick without some kind of input from Cable, so I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt... Plus he has long arms so he rules...

[massraider]

Just for everyone's edification, the ESPN Draftcast seems to get the picks a lot faster thean the ESPN broadcast. Weird.

[Turo]

Let's-Go Wal-ter

[Jack's sore libido]

Well, there is that.

Maybe they're going to do an arm transplant with Gallery.

[massraider]

Pick is in.....

[RaiderDestiny]

E. Frampton (S) Washington State

[massraider]

Eric Frampton, S Wash St.

[Jack's sore libido]

Did we just take Peter Frampton?

[007]

Future HOF Eric Frampton!!!

Eh.

He's a depth guy and he plays ST, CB and S.

[Knight]

Frampton! I like this pick.

[Turo]

..........

[hawaiianboy]

Good pick... At least we'll have one safety known for his tackling ability...

[massraider]

Playmaker, but not a speedster. :eek:

In the box safety. Started as a CB, good rep. Team leader. Per the Suirius broadcast.

PFW had him rated the 7th best strong safety.

ST's demon, kids.

[R4Life]

Playmaker
Physical player
good tackler
moved from CB
Solid pick

[Knight]

Alright stepping out quickly for food, be back soon.

[RaiderDestiny]

Sounds a lot like Jarrod Cooper.

[Limee]

Eric Frampton, solid pick. Would still like a real big space eater.

[R4Life]

The ground is starting to shake...

[massraider]

Sounds a lot like Jarrod Cooper.

Probably not as muscled up, and hopefully more fluid, considering his CB background.

Tough to knock this pick. Woulda like Derek landri, Wendling, or Thomas.


Thomas ain't getting drafted, kids.

[Byron2112]

"Do you feel like we do-oo?"

'sup all

[007]

Don't we pick in like after like 10 more spots, again?

Fuck me we have a lot of picks.

1
2
3
3
3
4
4
5
5
6
7

The veterans are gonna run out of tape and room to tie all the rookies to the goal posts...

[massraider]

"Do you feel like we do-oo?"

'sup all

Byron! How you feeling about the draft?

[hawaiianboy]

Wal-ter Thom-as ::clap clap:: Wal-ter Thom-as ::clap clap::

[BigTron]

Am i forgetting anyone?


QB- Jam Rock, Walter, McCown
HB- Jordan, Rhodes, Fargas, Bush
FB- Griffith. Crockett
WR- J.Porter, R.Curry, M.Williams, Gabriel, JLHiggins
TE- Z.Miller, T.Stewart, Madsen, Wakefield
LT- Gallery,Simms
LG- Carlisle, Grove
C- Newberry, Grove
RG- Boothe
RT- Simms, MCQuistan, Henderson

[R4Life]

Far in the distance, a baby cries. A pie is quickly swiped from a window sill...

[massraider]

Ravens take troy Smith!

Good for him. Great spot.

[R4Life]

Car alarms scream to life...

[Knight]

Frampton is an excellent pick, a quality player 1st team all pac-10.

[massraider]

6th round, also known as the Taj Hawthorne round.

Wal-ter......

[R4Life]

"Hey, hey, hey"...

[massraider]

Car alarms scream to life...

LMAO


.......................

[Byron2112]

Awsome draft... maybe the best we've seen in a while.

Does Al know how to take care of a new coach, lavishing them with talent, or what?

I love that Bush pick... almost too obvious to imagine Al doing it...

Something about Bush, people are saying he's like Eddie George or Jamal Lewis, but I don't see it.

He looks like he has really quick feet. The footage I've seen he's making alotta quick cuts and stringing moves together... he doesn't run like a man that stands 6-3 250+ .

I think he kinda reminds me of Natrone Means... you guys remember him?

[massraider]

A fullback?

[RaiderDestiny]

Orenthal O'Neal (FB) Arkansas St

[007]

Orenthal?

Wasnt Stanford, Fabian, Langston, Napoleon, and Stuart enough pussy assed names?

[Limee]

Who is he?

[massraider]

5'11", 242, 4.89 40 yard time.

:confused:

[007]

It can't be speed, and it definitely isnt measurables...

A good 3 cone?

55 reps on the bench?

Does he know Lane Kiffin?

[Byron2112]

Orenthal?

Wasnt Stanford, Fabian, Langston, Napoleon, and Stuart enough pussy assed names?

OJ was no pussy :D

[BigTron]

Is he related to Alvis Whitted?

[RaiderDestiny]

Orenthal O'Neal, Arkansas State

Positives: Aggressive when lead blocking ... Strength ... Toughness ... Inside running ability.

Negatives: Speed ... Needs to become better at reading blitzes and improve his pass-protection skills.

[massraider]

PFW's draft book: 18th ranked fullback. Man.

[Raidermania12]

Frampton looks like the nickle in the box replacement for Gibson.

[Byron2112]

Where's Arkie?

[Byron2112]

I thought Ben Patrick was supposedly the 3rd best TE in this draft... good all-round player...WTF?

[massraider]

Where's Arkie?

Chasing some city folk downriver probably.

I don't care if it's McClain, how does another fullback make this team?

[Raidermania12]

Grab Ben Patrick too. Run a great 3 TE package and pass to fuck up defenses.

[BigTron]

I thought Ben Patrick was supposedly the 3rd best TE in this draft... good all-round player...WTF?

I cant believe Philly took a tight end that wasnt him. They always take Delaware guys?

[RaiderDestiny]

Sporting News has him as the 4th rated FB and NFL.com has him rated 5th.

[BigTron]

Chasing some city folk downriver probably.

I don't care if it's McClain, how does another fullback make this team?

Crockett Goes...

[massraider]

Sporting News has him as the 4th rated FB and NFL.com has him rated 5th.

Nice.

Still don't know how he makes the roster. :confused:

[NIPS]

Walter Thomas for our last pick late in rd 7

And the Nips gives this draft 1 boner up

[massraider]

NFLDS has him 8th.

[hawaiianboy]

"A thick bodied player who attacks the defender and knocks him backward with a violent blow." "O'Neil is a classic, tough fullback similar to the Chargers' Lorenzo Neal." "best isolation blocker of the fullbacks."


Finally... A grunt 250 pound FB to lead block for a 250 lb Mike Bush?....


Would it be totally gay to want to tongue kiss Kiffin right now?

[Knight]

I hope he is a true lead blocker.

[Knight]

Guys.... I was so certain I would be at this point depressed, wondering why I was so excited before the draft....

I'm thrilled!! Al got his speed guy without sacrificing the draft, we've got some boom or bust guys who could explode..... an outstanding, no-bullshit producer at a need position, a late round DB with production and instinct instead of measureables....

and Moses.

[hawaiianboy]

Harumph... It's clear you humps don't know how to get properly excited about a FB...


I'm jacked... A dinosaur lead blocking FB and a FB/RB in Griffith... A big RB... No more WR's parading around as TE's....

[Knight]

Finally... A grunt 250 pound FB to lead block for a 250 lb Mike Bush?....


Would it be totally gay to want to tongue kiss Kiffin right now?


YES!!!! A BLOCKING FULLBACK!!!!!! weeeeeheeeee!!!!

[Jack's sore libido]

Crockett is gone. Has to be.

[R4Life]

HA
Green Bay has 3 picks in a row coming up.