Alright JR, that'll be enough of that..

[NIPS]

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2007/04/26/jrussellx-large.jpg

Anyone else getting concerned about what really is behind the man from LSU?

I mean look at this picture taken yesterday in NY, he looks like a body guard for Michael fuckin Jackson

WTF is up with that ring and them stupid fuckin glasses?

Word is he's sporting a $25,000 watch

What?

Bro, show up in some jeans, and get rid of the bling bling shit

I dunno about you guys, but he's beginning to rub me the wrong way.. I see a potential LONG, LONG holdout, I guarantee this dudes gonna wanna set a record for the highest paid #1 overall ever, in fact I wouldnt be surprised if he wants to be the highest paid QB in the NFL, higher than Peyton Manning

I'm starting to not trust this guys motives

The whole Nike swoosh lapel thing at his conference. This guy to seems to be more concerned about himself than he is about being a football player

I dunno, Elbows getting sore here fellas, and thats usually a sign something bads about to happen

[GRaider]

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2007/04/26/jrussellx-large.jpg

Anyone else getting concerned about what really is behind the man from LSU?

I mean look at this picture taken yesterday in NY, he looks like a body guard for Michael fuckin Jackson

WTF is up with that ring and them stupid fuckin glasses?

Word is he's sporting a $25,000 watch

What?

Bro, show up in some jeans, and get rid of the bling bling shit

I dunno about you guys, but he's beginning to rub me the wrong way.. I see a potential LONG, LONG holdout, I guarantee this dudes gonna wanna set a record for the highest paid #1 overall ever, in fact I wouldnt be surprised if he wants to be the highest paid QB in the NFL, higher than Peyton Manning

I'm starting to not trust this guys motives

The whole Nike swoosh lapel thing at his conference. This guy to seems to be more concerned about himself than he is about being a football player

I dunno, Elbows getting sore here fellas, and thats usually a sign something bads about to happen

You are just putting this together? Come on Nips! Wake up! He is gonna be just another perpetuator of the culture! Give me a player that wants to prove himself on the field. Not in the limelight. We don't need a TO!

[CrossBones]

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2007/04/26/jrussellx-large.jpg

Anyone else getting concerned about what really is behind the man from LSU?

I mean look at this picture taken yesterday in NY, he looks like a body guard for Michael fuckin Jackson

WTF is up with that ring and them stupid fuckin glasses?

Word is he's sporting a $25,000 watch

What?

Bro, show up in some jeans, and get rid of the bling bling shit

I dunno about you guys, but he's beginning to rub me the wrong way.. I see a potential LONG, LONG holdout, I guarantee this dudes gonna wanna set a record for the highest paid #1 overall ever, in fact I wouldnt be surprised if he wants to be the highest paid QB in the NFL, higher than Peyton Manning

I'm starting to not trust this guys motives

The whole Nike swoosh lapel thing at his conference. This guy to seems to be more concerned about himself than he is about being a football player

I dunno, Elbows getting sore here fellas, and thats usually a sign something bads about to happenYou need to cut and paste this post into the cold feet thread. Couldn't agree more Nips. I'm in the Calvin Johnson camp. Something is just terribly wrong here.

[R4Life]

Let's not get too cliche, fellas. Are we really a group of white dudes who are off-put by the conspicuous consumption culture surrounding rich African American Athletes?

[RaiderIVlife]

Come on, it should be at least slightly "off-putting" to anyone, regardless of race. Show some modesty dude, even if you have to fake it.

Funny how it's OK to lambast Brady Quinn for being a "cocky, prick, frat boy", but if someone critiques Russell for being overly "bling-blinged", then it's a race issue?

Frankly, I'm more & more on board with Calvin Johnson or trade down than either of these QB's.

I'm just sayin.

[GRaider]

Let's not get too cliche, fellas. Are we really a group of white dudes who are off-put by the conspicuous consumption culture surrounding rich African American Athletes?

Yes. I fall in that category.

[GRaider]

Come on, it should be at least slightly "off-putting" to anyone, regardless of race. Show some modesty dude, even if you have to fake it.

Funny how it's OK to lambast Brady Quinn for being a "cocky, prick, frat boy", but if someone critiques Russell for being overly "bling-blinged", then it's a race issue?

Frankly, I'm more & more on board with Calvin Johnson or trade down than either of these QB's.

I'm just sayin.

Funny but I don't see Brady sporting Bling Biling on loan until he can fleece an NFL team for 30 mil. JR needs to act like he doesn't think he walks on water for at least 24 more hours. Serious self esteem problem in the outing here. I have no respect for a rookie in any trade that takes his opportunities for granted. He needs to STFU and STFD and earn some of that Bling before he starts acting like all that. Do you feel me bruh?

[S and B Executioner]

Ya, I been saying this stuff about JR for months and people jumped my jock for simply being EX.

BUST, BUST, BUST!!

Oh ya, A Pete is gonna bust as well. You heard it here first!

[RaiderIVlife]

Funny but I don't see Brady sporting Bling Biling on loan until he can fleece an NFL team for 30 mil. JR needs to act like he doesn't think he walks on water for at least 24 more hours. Serious self esteme problem in the outing here. I have no respect for a rookie in any trade that takes his opportunities for granted. He needs to STFU and STFD and earn some of that Bling before he starts acting like all that. Do you feel me?

I was just comparing how it seems perfectly OK to tear down BQ on the perception that he's a "snotty", "prick", "frat boy", but the second people tear down JR for the perception that he's "bling-blinged out", it's a suddenly a race issue? It's either OK to blast both players equally or we should leave both alone, but there should not be a double standard IMO.

I'm suprised this country is even able to function with the 'PC Gestapo' in emotional control of the Nation.

I'll just STFU at this point. It really get's my blood boiling sometimes.

[RaiderIVlife]

BTW, JR looks a bit overweight to me. I have a real problem with overweight athletes, particularly at the skill position(s).

[jatfly]

Here's the deal can anyone of us say we don't need a franchise QB? No, we have needed one for some time. I hate to say it but I think we are drafting Russell even know I am not Sold on him....then again I am not sold on any QB ever!!!!!! Lienart included and also Rothlisburger. The last QB in the Draft I would have seriously drafted was Payton. Other then him I don't think there is anyone that I liked on draft day in the last 10 years...

I would like to see us trade down and come away with a ton of late first and
2nd round picks.....we would be able to stock pile D & O linemen and a WR or a RB if we get something for Moss that is.
I just know that we won't pull off that kind of a deal. Kiffin I don't think would want that kind of Pressure. If he drafts a Russell and the Kid Busts, it won't be the HC's fault.......IF we draft Russell or Johnson I won't be pissed either way. If we want Quinn then trade down and pick him up at 4 or just trade for McCown and draft a Kolb and Let Walter and those two battle it out.
If we do that we would have some high picks and hopefully they all work out.

[massraider]

That's how good JaMarcus is.

This is the best we can do to knock him.

[hawaiianboy]

Bro, show up in some jeans, and get rid of the bling bling shit

And if he had shown up at the NFL Draft luncheon where that pic is from with jeans, he would have been labled a country hick... They were ALL decked out in suits and watches dude... and ::gasp, the humanity:: CJ and Peterson even had chains and diamond earrings on!...

I heard Joan Rivers totally ripped Calvin Johnson for walking the Red Carpet wearing a suit without a tie... That kind of fashion faux pax definitley registers a red flag in my book bud...

Gaines Adams pinstriped suit with gold tie was pretty sweet though... He's moved up my draft board for sure..



I guarantee this dudes gonna wanna set a record for the highest paid #1 overall ever, in fact I wouldnt be surprised if he wants to be the highest paid QB in the NFL, higher than Peyton Manning


Doesn't every new #1 pick set the record for highest paid ever?...

[massraider]

by the way, there's internet reports that Brady Quinn and the Raiders are close to a deal. Just stuff I'm reading on message boards.

[R4Life]

NFL.com has a blog by Brandt and Carrucci: http://www.nfl.com/draft/features/blog


Russell won the "bling" award. He had a massive silver watch, a big silver ring, and silver trim on sides of his black sunglasses. This is what he had to say about what else a team would get from him beyond his much-publicized arm strength: "I'm a very intelligent guy. I'm a great competitor. I'm very reliable on the field. I'm an unselfish person. I'm a great teammate. And I have a good personality."

[R4Life]

Funny but I don't see Brady sporting Bling Biling on loan until he can fleece an NFL team for 30 mil. JR needs to act like he doesn't think he walks on water for at least 24 more hours. Serious self esteem problem in the outing here. I have no respect for a rookie in any trade that takes his opportunities for granted. He needs to STFU and STFD and earn some of that Bling before he starts acting like all that. Do you feel me bruh?

LeBron James and His "on-loan" pre-draft Hummer revealed horrible character flaws that have continued to plague him and undercut his level of professional play.
Right.
Having taught in Hunter's Point and SF Juvenile Hall (YGC), as a "white guy" I understand a little bit about this culture. JR has lived without while his school and those associated with his ability have made a lot of money. By rule, he couldn't have any. Now it's getting close and he knows it and he wants some.

Let me ask this of ya'll. If you won the lottery today ($30 million let's say) but weren't going to see your first check for a few days (when JR's endorsements will start to flow) would you live your life as a normal person until your check showed up, or might you go out and enjoy a little free-time and spending in anticipation of the windfall?

I'd be on a vacation I couldn't afford with my family, eating at nice restaurants and each of my little girls would be picking out their ponies.

Still Bling - just my bling.

Oh, and PS, Quinn has 2 Hummers H2 already.

[RHC]

That's how good JaMarcus is.

This is the best we can do to knock him.No, it's just one more straw on the camel's back.

There are plenty of knocks on JR. And they all point to a guy who's undisciplined, lazy, out of shape and looking for the big payday above all else.

Pay attention.

[NIPS]

And if he had shown up at the NFL Draft luncheon where that pic is from with jeans, he would have been labled a country hick... They were ALL decked out in suits and watches dude... and ::gasp, the humanity:: CJ and Peterson even had chains and diamond earrings on!...

I heard Joan Rivers totally ripped Calvin Johnson for walking the Red Carpet wearing a suit without a tie... That kind of fashion faux pax definitley registers a red flag in my book bud...

Gaines Adams pinstriped suit with gold tie was pretty sweet though... He's moved up my draft board for sure..






Doesn't every new #1 pick set the record for highest paid ever?...

Theres a hidden motive in JRuss I aint liking, I let the whole Nike swoosh (which by the way was a clear cut mean green motive only) slide thinking he made a bad decision, but everything I'm reading about him in NY has me looking like I caught a whiff of a gnarly fart.

And I'm not the only one, he's the talk of the town, not because of his football skills, but the way he is showing off his stupid fuckin gay jewlry

lets be honest....

What the fuck is that ring about?

Who the fuck wears shit like that?

What is it that he's trying to tell us? That he's a millionaire?

I dont fuckin get it

[RHC]

LeBron James and His "on-loan" pre-draft Hummer revealed horrible character flaws that have continued to plague him and undercut his level of professional play.
Right.
Having taught in Hunter's Point and SF Juvenile Hall (YGC), as a "white guy" I understand a little bit about this culture. JR has lived without while his school and those associated with his ability have made a lot of money. By rule, he couldn't have any. Now it's getting close and he knows it and he wants some.

Let me ask this of ya'll. If you won the lottery today ($30 million let's say) but weren't going to see your first check for a few days (when JR's endorsements will start to flow) would you live your life as a normal person until your check showed up, or might you go out and enjoy a little free-time and spending in anticipation of the windfall?

I'd be on a vacation I couldn't afford with my family, eating at nice restaurants and each of my little girls would be picking out their ponies.

Still Bling - just my bling.

Oh, and PS, Quinn has 2 Hummers H2 already.Not a good comparison. You don't have to EARN a lottery payout. You're not getting the payout in advance in exchange for a lot of hard work, sweat and blood.

This is not a windfall for JR. It's a payment in return for services not yet rendered.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

[RaiderIVlife]

That's how good JaMarcus is.

This is the best we can do to knock him.

Hopefully you're right. I'm not that disturbed by the "accesories" as I am the weight.

[RHC]

I'll just STFU at this point.Please don't. You're right on point.

[R4Life]

Not a good comparison. You don't have to EARN a lottery payout. You're not getting the payout in advance in exchange for a lot of hard work, sweat and blood.

This is not a windfall for JR. It's a payment in return for services not yet rendered.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

ENDORSEMENT MONEY
Work, yes. Hard work, no.

[TheNextStep]

Looks like a big dude in a suit to me... and since JaMarcus IS, in fact a big dude and WAS, in fact, wearing a suit, I just don't see what the deal is.

The guy bought himself a nice watch.

So what?

If it is so big that it fucks up his throwing motion, I'll get concerned.

[RHC]

Let's not get too cliche, fellas.Tell JR not to be a walking talking cliche and we'll reconsider our respective positions.

[RHC]

ENDORSEMENT MONEY
Work, yes. Hard work, no.If you can't stay on top of your game endorsements evaporate.

It's one of the few direct correlations one can point out in this world.

[TheNextStep]

If you can't stay on top of your game endorsements evaporate.

It's one of the few direct correlations one can point out in this world.
But there is no direct correlation between spending your endorsement money and your game evaporating.

I'm sure Tiger Woods hasn't buried all of his endorsement dollars in mason jars. I'd imagine he's spent a good deal of it... and he's still A-numero-uno in the golf world.

I really don't see why people are pissed off about the fact that JaMarcus Russell spent some of his own money. It isn't like he was at a nightclub at 3:00am "making it rain." The guy bought a suit and a watch. Good for him.

[RaiderIVlife]

LeBron James and His "on-loan" pre-draft Hummer revealed horrible character flaws that have continued to plague him and undercut his level of professional play.
Right.
Having taught in Hunter's Point and SF Juvenile Hall (YGC), as a "white guy" I understand a little bit about this culture. JR has lived without while his school and those associated with his ability have made a lot of money. By rule, he couldn't have any. Now it's getting close and he knows it and he wants some.

Let me ask this of ya'll. If you won the lottery today ($30 million let's say) but weren't going to see your first check for a few days (when JR's endorsements will start to flow) would you live your life as a normal person until your check showed up, or might you go out and enjoy a little free-time and spending in anticipation of the windfall?

I'd be on a vacation I couldn't afford with my family, eating at nice restaurants and each of my little girls would be picking out their ponies.

Still Bling - just my bling.

Oh, and PS, Quinn has 2 Hummers H2 already.

OK, fair points. Still, these are high profile (thus in the public) young men. If I were his agent, I'd advise him to tone it down just a bit. There is nothing wrong with displaying a bit of what I'd call "humble proffesionalism", particularly for a Franchise QB. That is all.

[RHC]

But there is no direct correlation between spending your endorsement money and your game evaporating.Never said there was.
I'm sure Tiger Woods hasn't buried all of his endorsement dollars in mason jars. I'd imagine he's spent a good deal of it... and he's still A-numero-uno in the golf world.And as soon as JR proves he's A-numero-uno in the football world, I'll be nice and comfortable with anything he wants to do. If he takes us to the promised land he can pork Dennis Rodman in the ass while wearing jewelry made from human teeth for all I care.

[massraider]

Come on, let's step back.

Any hardcore JRuss supporters concerned about this? No.

Any CJ-backers upset about this? Yes.

If I wanted CJ over JRuss, I might make fun of him too, and call him fat. I don't think I'd have a problem with the jewelry, tho, because I have a TV and have been paying attention since Deion Sanders entered the league.

Everyone has chosen their guy, and now it's "look for pimples on the other guy."

His sunglasses? For cryin' out loud.

[R4Life]

Humility is a luxury most successful people abandon, though I agree, I like it when I see it.

Anyone Like anagrams?

Jamarcus E. Russell = Jesus's Arm Cures All

[Stanny]

I started a thread in January about attitude, his "passion" for the game and the fact he reminded me that he was all about the money and not the game. You guys ripped me a new one.....Don't say I didn't warn ya.

I hope he proves me wrong, because it is looking more and more like JRuss is the guy. However, I wouldn't be suprised if Kiffin gets in Al's ear and we end up with the golden boy. I wanted Peterson from the start but we have no chance in drafting him, so my fingers are crossed they we trade down and rape a team of picks.

[TheNextStep]

Rumor has it that Cleveland would love to land at #1 and would give up #3 and Braylon Edwards...

Oh, but let me remind you all that this is an INTERNET RUMOR so don't go crazy about it.

[S and B Executioner]

NFL.com has a blog by Brandt and Carrucci: http://www.nfl.com/draft/features/blog


Russell won the "bling" award. He had a massive silver watch, a big silver ring, and silver trim on sides of his black sunglasses. This is what he had to say about what else a team would get from him beyond his much-publicized arm strength: "I'm a very intelligent guy. I'm a great competitor. I'm very reliable on the field. I'm an unselfish person. I'm a great teammate. And I have a good personality."

That's a WHOLE LOT OF "I's" in there from Ol' Leon............

I smell a HUGE RAT!!!!!!!

[R4Life]

Rumor has it that Cleveland would love to land at #1 and would give up #3 and Braylon Edwards...

Oh, but let me remind you all that this is an INTERNET RUMOR so don't go crazy about it.

Yeah, I posted that in the War Room Rumor thread - and I would love to see it go down, but who freakin's knows. A bottle of scotch and a few sleeping pills will get me to tomorrow. :rolleyes:

[hawaiianboy]

This is the one thing I seriously hate about draft season... :rolleyes:

[TheNextStep]

Sorry, R4. Home for lunch. Haven't had time to check too many threads. Just went with what grabbed my eye.

As for this rumor, I'd be cool with. At #3, we still walk away with Russell or Quinn and we add Braylon Edwards to the mix. Yeah, that wouldn't piss me off. I don't see it happening, of course...

And now... back to the salt mine...

[S and B Executioner]

Come on, let's step back.

Any hardcore JRuss supporters concerned about this? No.

Any CJ-backers upset about this? Yes.

If I wanted CJ over JRuss, I might make fun of him too, and call him fat. I don't think I'd have a problem with the jewelry, tho, because I have a TV and have been paying attention since Deion Sanders entered the league.

Everyone has chosen their guy, and now it's "look for pimples on the other guy."

His sunglasses? For cryin' out loud.



I call BS!! Al Davis pretty much banished Marcus allen from the Raiders after Allen went and did a commercial without approval from the team, saying he was not team oriented and nobody is bigger than the Raiders, etc, etc.

Now it's okay to be an unproven, bling wearing over rated and over hyped college QB who who has an "I" for every other word in his vocab? No, I don't think so, I say dude is Akili Smith ALL OVER AGAIN!! Not because I am pro CJ, but because I am ANTI-Akili/JR. If we don't get this right, it sets us back another 3-4 years and alot of cap room!

[R4Life]

That's a WHOLE LOT OF "I's" in there from Ol' Leon............

I smell a HUGE RAT!!!!!!!

Um, the question was, what will a team get from you, besides athleticism?
What pronoun should he use (and Not going 3rd person on us)?

I'd be much more worried had he said:

"We're a very intelligent guy. Us is a great competitor. You are very reliable on the field. She's an unselfish person. It's a great teammate. And he have a good personality."

[S and B Executioner]

Um, the question was, what will a team get from you, besides athleticism?
What pronoun should he use (and Not going 3rd person on us)?

I'd be much more worried had he said:

We're a very intelligent guy. Us is a great competitor. You are very reliable on the field. She's an unselfish person. It's a great teammate. And he have a good personality.


Point taken, but R4life has to admit that Ex has some validity to his points....

[massraider]

Worst. Thread. Ever.

[R4Life]

Point taken, but R4life has to admit that Ex has some validity to his points....

IMHO Nobody rises to the top of their chosen vocation (He is still a College player until tomorrow and he is in the top 1%) without a serious me-first attitude. People have been glomming onto this guy since High School, and this is his moment in front of the world. He's imagined it a million times in his mind, and if in that moment he sees himself with a big ring, a nice watch ($25K in the watch-world of bling is NOT even top 10%) and some slick shades - I have no problem with that. The guys never been in a lick of trouble, helps people out, is quiet most of the time and is liked and respected by his teammates. I do not think he is unlearnig all he knows and has done until now. IMHO I'm glad to see him come out of his shell a little bit because I don't know about how that shy attitude will come across in an NFL huddle of grown men.

But, in my special place, would I like to see more humility in our heroes? Do I worry about what this trend says about my daughters' generation? Yes. I would and do.

But this isn't my world anymore. It belongs to this generation, and their princes will be walking the stage in NYNY at the Radio City Music Hall tomorrow and JR will not be the only one to look the part of royalty.

[donovan]

Pinky rang.

[donovan]

Michael Irvin practically wore a gold-ass gong around his neck when he got drafted.

I wouldn't call him a part of this (my) generation.

Deion?

Shit is nothing new.

[R4Life]

Michael Irvin practically wore a gold-ass gong around his neck when he got drafted.



Jeez, I forgot about that. Anyone got a picture of that tea-plate? He was like Biz Marquis

[Madturk]

And if he had shown up at the NFL Draft luncheon where that pic is from with jeans, he would have been labled a country hick... They were ALL decked out in suits and watches dude... and ::gasp, the humanity:: CJ and Peterson even had chains and diamond earrings on!...

I heard Joan Rivers totally ripped Calvin Johnson for walking the Red Carpet wearing a suit without a tie... That kind of fashion faux pax definitley registers a red flag in my book bud...

Gaines Adams pinstriped suit with gold tie was pretty sweet though... He's moved up my draft board for sure..



Thank You. Geez we're fuggin crucifying the guy for wearing an Armani suit and some accesories. Very unusual in this day:rolleyes: I guess that automatically includes him in the Sug Knight hall of fame in some people's eyes. Can someone actually find me a legitimate link to any mention of him having off field character issues? You know beating up nappy headed ho's and carrying a concealed weapon and all.

[NIPS]

Thank You. Geez we're fuggin crucifying the guy for wearing an Armani suit and some accesories. Very unusual in this day:rolleyes: I guess that automatically includes him in the Sug Knight hall of fame in some people's eyes. Can someone actually find me a legitimate link to any mention of him having off field character issues? You know beating up nappy headed ho's and carrying a concealed weapon and all.


TO never had off the field issues

But he certainly was and still is an attention whore

Ever had that feeling, ya know what I'm talking about, where you just know something aint right ?

I been getting that the last couple days from him.

He showed up to the combines over...Hey man, heres the bottom line...

Everything points to this guy that should raise a flag, and its a damn shame because I love the guys ability to throw and was as much on his pimp wagon as anybody

I just dont know how well he's gonna handle his weight when he gets that multi-mill bonus....

Ya know whats gonna happen man

Big mansion, supped up rides, parties

I got that feeling once he endorses that check, the motivation is gonna rear its ugly head, much like we all saw with him shirtless at the combines

I just got this feeling

[RHC]

What the fuck is that ring about?No football player should ever wear a ring that size unless it's a fucking SB ring.

[Deadbolt]

Are you guys serious? This is an actual issue?

Like others have said, this is the dude's moment in the sun. Let him live. He's a young kid, he's about to be a multimillionaire, and he's excited about his future.

JaMarcus is a quiet, reserved guy with some serious swag, kinda like VY last year (who, if I'm not mistaken, refers to himself in the 3rd person :eek:). That's something I absolutely want in my QB. You old farts need to lighten up! :D

[SoCalRaider]

Don't see what the big deal is. This shouldn't be anything new. So he dresses like DRuss and CWood... and he's going to get drafted by the same exact owner those guys did. The same owner who hasn't changed a single bit in 80 years. So What? We're a 2-14 team. It's not like it can get any worse.

This is the kind of reasoning you guys are going to need to adopt.

;)

[gst8]

Worst. Thread. Ever.

No shit.

Hardcore Raider fans reduced to fashion critics?

I never thought I'd see the day.

[NIPS]

No shit.

Hardcore Raider fans reduced to fashion critics?



Yeah, I gotta a problem with that, its deeper than you probaly realize

It's like that chick at the beach that has hairspray and makeup on

She's that bitch you dont wanna talk to

You gotta question the motive if anything else

You dig where the Nips is going with this?

I'm not questioning the guys ability

What I am questioning is his real intent (motive)

Just like the chick at the beach with the makeup

What the fuck is your purpose?

What are you trying to prove?

And if you get all "gussied up" going to the beach

You tend to have serious self esteem problems

Dig?

[TheNextStep]

Don't see what the big deal is. This shouldn't be anything new. So he dresses like DRuss and CWood... and he's going to get drafted by the same exact owner those guys did. The same owner who hasn't changed a single bit in 80 years. So What? We're a 2-14 team. It's not like it can get any worse.

This is the kind of reasoning you guys are going to need to adopt.

;)

The owner hasn't changed a single bit? How do you explain Rich Gannon's tenure with the team?

Either Al Davis changed and selected a smart yet weak armed quarterback to lead his team OR Al Davis changed and allowed a coach to make his own decision as to who the quarterback would be.

But, hey... don't let me interfere with your feeling superior about your ability to reason...

[TheNextStep]

And as soon as JR proves he's A-numero-uno in the football world, I'll be nice and comfortable with anything he wants to do. If he takes us to the promised land he can pork Dennis Rodman in the ass while wearing jewelry made from human teeth for all I care.

So your problem is that JaMarcus Russell had the hubris to spend money that he was given before he's proven himself on the field?

Hey, I got news for you, Ring... if that's the criteria, there's not a prospect in the nation that's worthy of the #1 overall pick.

[SoCalRaider]

The owner hasn't changed a single bit? How do you explain Rich Gannon's tenure with the team?
Jon Gruden





Either Al Davis changed and selected a smart yet weak armed quarterback to lead his team OR Al Davis changed and allowed a coach to make his own decision as to who the quarterback would be.

If this were true, then we'd be following Kiffin's recommendation, which I highly doubt is Russell. Russell makes about as much sense in the WCO as Jeff George did when Gruden took over.





But, hey... don't let me interfere with your feeling superior about your ability to reason...

:rolleyes:

[TheNextStep]

Jon Gruden
If this were true, then we'd be following Kiffin's recommendation, which I highly doubt is Russell. Russell makes about as much sense in the WCO as Jeff George did when Gruden took over.

So....

Al Davis gave his young coach the ability to make his own call on which quarterback he wanted when Gruden was the coach... but... if we take Russell, it means that Al Davis did not give his young coach the ability to make his own call on which quarterback he wanted when Kiffen was the coach.

Do you not see why I'm picking on your "Al Davis never changes a single bit" comment here?

[SoCalRaider]

So....

Al Davis gave his young coach the ability to make his own call on which quarterback he wanted when Gruden was the coach... but... if we take Russell, it means that Al Davis did not give his young coach the ability to make his own call on which quarterback he wanted when Kiffen was the coach.

Do you not see why I'm picking on your "Al Davis never changes a single bit" comment here?

Not really considering you've spun an entirely new context out of the original quote which was "The same owner who hasn't changed a single bit in 80 years". Real simple. If Davis lets Kiffin get his guy, then I'd be the first to say Davis has changed for the better... but when Davis takes Russell... it's the same old Davis.

Your context implies that Davis changes his mind or goes back and forth from one thing to another. That's already well known and nothing new from Davis. Just look how many times he's gone back and forth from WCO to the typical Davis long ball.

[Limee]

Russell won the "bling" award.

He is a winner which is what is important. :D

[GRaider]

Oh, and PS, Quinn has 2 Hummers H2 already.


Then I don't want either of them but If we are going to go QB at least get the one who has actually run a NFL offense. I would prefer to trade down.