Adrian Peterson runs 4.38

[BigTron]

AP ran a 4.38 and an un-official clocking of 4.33. That is going to give Kiffin and Al something to think about. M.Lynch hurt his stock with a 4.52 and a 4.49. He was suppose to run a sub 4.40 and failed to do so. This makes things interesting huh?

[Langlier]

hes my #2 right now. it goes CJ, AP, Thomas, JRuss, Branch for me right now... and id be somewhat disappointed if we get branch.

We are either dealing this pick or taking CJ. I think you can bank on that.

[BigTron]

I think its CJ, AP, JR and then it drops off. We need a QB and a RB. I still believe in A.Walter and think we could select a surefire franchise RB who will help our Defense stay off the field. We could get a running game going and keep our QB's from getting murdered. A 4th for Carr would make me happy. Dump lamont and trade Moss for a second.

[Byron2112]

God dang!

It looks like we'll have our choice of fillin needs with elite players... feels good!

I'm ok with not taking a QB, but if we go that route I wanna throw Carr or someone similar into the mix at QB.

[Jack's sore libido]

I think its CJ, AP, JR and then it drops off.

Joe Thomas had an amazing workout, too.

[BigTron]

Joe Thomas had an amazing workout, too.

Yeah, I still have Gallery'itis. And It was almost gone until i heard J.Thomas's knock was short arms :eek:

I think Branch, Adams/Anderson and JT and BQ are just outside of that group. Hell Id even throw in Okoye and Landry (S from LSU).

[Turo]

short arms

/fetal position

[CrossBones]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....

http://rocr.xepher.net/weblog/images/trex.jpg

How 'ya doin' Robert?

[Limee]

:D If we have t-rex on one side then we need king kong on the other.

http://www.pmmediareview.com/images/films/king_kong_inner.jpg

[Turo]

Couldn't resist..

http://www.theraidersendzone.com/images/silly/gallery_rex.jpg

[raiderfreak7]

That's funny shit right there.

[BigTron]

You guys made my day with that shit.

[Madturk]

That Gallery pic is classic. LMFAO!

[jatfly]

I like AP, but someone needs to tell me why you think Jordon can't do it for us?
I know he was hurt last year
but in 2005 he rushed for 1,025 yards and ran for 9 TDs.
He had 70 recpt for 563 yards & 2 more TDs.
I think he didn't even start every game.
If we can fix this line. I think he can be very productive.
Just my 2 cents on the first pick, we could use that pick on a posistion that we need more help at. Also I am not opposed to take a RB later in the draft since I think we need to groom someone and compete with Huggy Bear's Cub.

[BigTron]

I like AP, but someone needs to tell me why you think Jordon can't do it for us?
I know he was hurt last year
but in 2005 he rushed for 1,025 yards and ran for 9 TDs.
He had 70 recpt for 563 yards & 2 more TDs.
I think he didn't even start every game.
If we can fix this line. I think he can be very productive.
Just my 2 cents on the first pick, we could use that pick on a posistion that we need more help at. Also I am not opposed to take a RB later in the draft since I think we need to groom someone and compete with Huggy Bear's Cub.

He can get it done when he wants to be in shape and study the playbook, or at least know whats going on offensively. I just dont think he is speedy enough to make something out of nothing like other backs. He also doesnt use his size/power enough. He runs like fucking Tiki Barber instead of L.Jordan.

[Rupert]

When Jordan attacks the LOS he's a very good back.

Jordan only attacks the LOS about 10% of the time.

Jordan is only a very good back about 10% of the time.

That's why I want Adrian Peterson.

[TommyGirl]

Let me throw this out there for y'all's opinions: Will the return to zone blocking be beneficial for LaMont? Why or why not?

[BigTron]

Let me throw this out there for y'all's opinions: Will the return to zone blocking be beneficial for LaMont? Why or why not?

He averaged 3.8 the year he broke a 1000 with Zone. He averaged 3.8 last year with Man. I dont see much difference. It depends more on him and his focus.

[BigTron]

Couldn't resist..

http://www.theraidersendzone.com/images/silly/gallery_rex.jpg





Day two. Still hilarious.

[Crow]

I think Jordan's tendency to hesitate will be even more harmfull in a ZBS. Denver looks for a specific type of back for their scheme: Gotta have the vision to see the cutback lane, hit it, run like hell. I just don't see Jordan being a good fit.

[TommyGirl]

I think Jordan's tendency to hesitate will be even more harmfull in a ZBS. Denver looks for a specific type of back for their scheme: Gotta have the vision to see the cutback lane, hit it, run like hell. I just don't see Jordan being a good fit.
I'm thinking of strenghts of Portis, Warrick Dunn, etc. Jordan doesn't even seem like the right size, let alone running style. In some ways, perhaps we could chalk up his inability to nail cutback lanes in zone blocking because he (admittedly) didn't study the blocking scheme. And yet, it still requires some sort of instinct, I think.

Today, I'm leaning toward Peterson. Tomorrow, it could be Johnson.

I hate having the first pick overall.

[Raidermania12]

I forgot all about Jordan not studying the zone blocking scheme of Norv's first year. It's too bad he's not anything like I hoped he'd be.

[RaiderIVlife]

I'm peering over the edge of the Adrian Petersen bandwagon. Not sure if I want to step in, but I'm gaining some interest......

[TheNextStep]

I'm thinking of strenghts of Portis, Warrick Dunn, etc. Jordan doesn't even seem like the right size, let alone running style. In some ways, perhaps we could chalk up his inability to nail cutback lanes in zone blocking because he (admittedly) didn't study the blocking scheme. And yet, it still requires some sort of instinct, I think.

Today, I'm leaning toward Peterson. Tomorrow, it could be Johnson.

I hate having the first pick overall.
I don't think that a guy's size is particularly relevant when it comes to a Denver type of zone blocking scheme. I mean, sure... Portis is probably the prototype right now... but let's not forget that Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughns were both very respectable running backs in that scheme. The key is for the running back, whomever he is, to make good decisions. Hell, if our blocking scheme works out the way Denver's does, we're talking about Jordan being a yard or two beyond the line of scrimmage before first contact. In that scenario, I could see him doing very well.

Still, the whole "won't restructure" thing kinda pisses me off about him, despite the fact that (as I always say), "It isn't my money." Also, while I support the guy, there's a part of me that can't help but wonder if all those displays of frustration on the sidelines (that were reported to show that Jordan "has heart") weren't just window dressing. It's great to be pissed off when you make a mistake, but it's stupid to continue to allow the mistakes to add up... and it seems like Jordan has been disturbingly prone to mental mistakes in the last two years, whether it is dropped passes, not recognizing a fumble, or failing to study the blocking schemes in front of you.

It is at a point, really, where I won't be angry if we keep him... but I won't be angry if we don't either. I can see him being successful... but I can see him being relatively easily replaced, too.

[RaiderIVlife]

I don't think that a guy's size is particularly relevant when it comes to a Denver type of zone blocking scheme. I mean, sure... Portis is probably the prototype right now... but let's not forget that Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughns were both very respectable running backs in that scheme. The key is for the running back, whomever he is, to make good decisions. Hell, if our blocking scheme works out the way Denver's does, we're talking about Jordan being a yard or two beyond the line of scrimmage before first contact. In that scenario, I could see him doing very well.

Still, the whole "won't restructure" thing kinda pisses me off about him, despite the fact that (as I always say), "It isn't my money." Also, while I support the guy, there's a part of me that can't help but wonder if all those displays of frustration on the sidelines (that were reported to show that Jordan "has heart") weren't just window dressing. It's great to be pissed off when you make a mistake, but it's stupid to continue to allow the mistakes to add up... and it seems like Jordan has been disturbingly prone to mental mistakes in the last two years, whether it is dropped passes, not recognizing a fumble, or failing to study the blocking schemes in front of you.

It is at a point, really, where I won't be angry if we keep him... but I won't be angry if we don't either. I can see him being successful... but I can see him being relatively easily replaced, too.

In other words, he isn't worth the money we're sinking into him.

[TheNextStep]

Actually (and I'll get fried for saying this), you know who intrigues me as a starter behind a zone blocking scheme?





Wait for it






Justin Fargas.

While I know he's had his share of detractors, for reasons both justified and unjustified, I thought the kid played pretty well towards the end of last season. In the season finale, Fargas was outstanding in the first half, chalking up 75 yards on 16 carries (for a 4.7 YPC average). In the second half, of course, we stopped running the ball, handing it off to Fargas just once, which he gained 4 yards on. The week prior, against Kansas City, Fargas had 19 carries for 90 yards (again 4.7 YPC).

While I grant you that you can point to other performances as less-than-stellar (week 15 = 3.6 YPC), I honestly thought that the kid got better as the year went on. We know that he's got speed to burn... so if you put him in a system where he gets a running start at the LOS and only has to make one cut and GO... well, I think the kid might be able to turn some heads.

I'm not saying that we should stand pat at RB... I'm just saying that Fargas might be very interesting to watch if he keeps on doing what he ended the season doing.

[Turo]

I agree with you, actually. Hell, I think we can get RIVL on this wagon and stave off the pitchfork and torch lynch mob, maybe. I wouldn't mind seeing Fargas at #1 next season at all, I think he's earned a shot.

[RaiderIVlife]

I agree with you, actually. Hell, I think we can get RIVL on this wagon and stave off the pitchfork and torch lynch mob, maybe. I wouldn't mind seeing Fargas at #1 next season at all, I think he's earned a shot.

I'm always looking to validate my 2003 prediction of 1300+ yards and 10 TD's for Justin Fargas. I thought he looked pretty damn good in 2006, particularly when one considers the crap around him. I like Fargas much more than Jordan at this point. Much more.

[Limee]

I was pleased with the progress Fargas made and it was his first real contribution to the team. I do think the line actually improved marginally in run blocking as the season went on. The fact that Fargas looked good at times shows how bad Jordan was. I have been disappointed in Jordan since he got here. He put up some very good stats his first year, but he still didn't impress me as somebody I would want as my number 1 back. I agree with Stepper's comment that he says the right things, but that doesn't matter if he doesn't put the work in to fix the problem. I don't think he is worth the money he is due to make so if he is not prepared to reduce his cost then I would rather see him gone.

[Turo]

AMF! Time to cut bait.

[RaiderIVlife]

Heh, for all the talk of LaMont Jordan being a "team guy" over the past two years, his apparent unwillingness to restructure speaks volumes. I think even his most argent supporters will now be prepared to move on now.

[RaiderIVlife]

BTW, very glad to hear that Ronald Curry has restructured. Anyone has any contract details handy?

[Turo]

All I've heard is that it's a restructured, one year extension?

[007]

Cut LJ, Sign Travis Henry and roll with Henry-Fargas RBBC.

Ideally, I would give Henry 250 touches, and Fargas 150 (15 carries/game Henry and 8-10 a game Fagas)

Draft a mid round developmental guy like DeShawn Wynn, Darius Walker, Tyrone Moss or Chirs Henry...

Thats more than enough RB for this team.

[TheNextStep]

Let me also say this, while we're all getting our respective rocks off with running back talk: Although the stat sheet doesn't reflect it, I think Reshard Lee has to be given an opportuntiy to fight for a roster spot. Again, the stat line (21 carries, 72 yards, 3.4 YPC) is far from stellar - and I'm not arguing that the position can't be upgraded - but I thought he showed flashes in a couple of places last season. Most conspicuously, I thought he was the best back on the roster when it came to pass protection and blitz pick up - by a fairly wide margin.

[TheNextStep]

Of course, no sooner do I post that than I start looking at some online articles and come across this:

EXTRA POINTS: The Raiders did not tender contracts to several restricted free agents: running backs ReShard Lee, Adimchinobe Echemandu and DeJuan Green, tight end James Adkisson, linebacker Isaiah Ekejiuba, and defensive tackles Anttaj Hawthorne and Michael Quarshie. ... The Raiders signed defensive end Keith Charlton. He spent 2006 onCleveland's practice squad.

So... unless we're planning on bringing him back at the minimum again, I'd reckon that an upgrade is planned.

Interesting to note that Hawthorne is out there as well. Several of us (myself included) had high hopes for this kid, who was largely regarded as a first or second round talent before "reefer madness" dropped his stock. This also says that despite Terd getting paid, we're probably not standing pat at defensive tackle... given that the speculation is that TK gets moved back outside to DE (where he friggin' belongs, if you ask me), which puts our defensive tackle rotation at Sapp and Terd. Period.

But that's got nothing to do with Adrian Peterson being faster than a speeding bullet or running backs in general, so forgive my tangent there...

[Limee]

TNS, I thought the same thing about upgrading RB and DT when I saw the releases. I hope it's not just wishful thinking.

[RaiderIVlife]

Maybe we trade out with the hopes of landing Alan Branch and Marshawn Lynch in the first?

[R4Life]

Of course, no sooner do I post that than I start looking at some online articles and come across this:



So... unless we're planning on bringing him back at the minimum again, I'd reckon that an upgrade is planned.

Interesting to note that Hawthorne is out there as well. Several of us (myself included) had high hopes for this kid, who was largely regarded as a first or second round talent before "reefer madness" dropped his stock. This also says that despite Terd getting paid, we're probably not standing pat at defensive tackle... given that the speculation is that TK gets moved back outside to DE (where he friggin' belongs, if you ask me), which puts our defensive tackle rotation at Sapp and Terd. Period.

But that's got nothing to do with Adrian Peterson being faster than a speeding bullet or running backs in general, so forgive my tangent there...

Also, Kirwin's Mock draft has AP sliding to #8. No Way IMO
http://nfl.com/draft/story/10038014


Update: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sgreen/index?

In other Raiders' news, wide receiver Ronald Curry agreed to a restructured contract. The team also signed running back Adimchinobe Echemandu to a new contract and tendered contracts to several restricted free agents: running back ReShard Lee, tight end James Adkisson, linebacker Isaiah Ekejiuba and defensive tackle Anttaj Hawthorne. The team did not tender defensive tackle Michael Quarshie.

[raiderfreak7]

So does "tendered" contracts mean they'll be remaining with the team?

[BigTron]

Also, Kirwin's Mock draft has AP sliding to #8. No Way IMO
http://nfl.com/draft/story/10038014


Update: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sgreen/index?

In other Raiders' news, wide receiver Ronald Curry agreed to a restructured contract. The team also signed running back Adimchinobe Echemandu to a new contract and tendered contracts to several restricted free agents: running back ReShard Lee, tight end James Adkisson, linebacker Isaiah Ekejiuba and defensive tackle Anttaj Hawthorne. The team did not tender defensive tackle Michael Quarshie.

AP is not going to fall that far. The guy is thunder and lightning. He is going to tear it up in the NFL.

[Jack's sore libido]

Much as I like Fargas (I'm on a roller coaster every year with him, and this is an up year), there's just no way we can go into a season trusting him to be the lead back.

In a committee, yeah. If a committee member gets hurt and Fargas is forced to do more, sure.

But he can't be Plan A.

[Deadbolt]

AP with Fargas backing him up would be downright scary in this scheme, I bet. That, or the QB at #1 and move up for Lynch solution would be ideal, IMO.

[Turo]

I think so... unless someone betters our offer and pays us some draft picks.