My Dream Draft

[Madturk]

1) Jamarcus Russell QB LSU
2) Michael Bush RB Louisville
3) A) Ryan Kalil C USC
3) B) Matt Spaeth TE (compensatory pick for Chaz)
4) Mkristo Bruce DE Wash State
5) Leron McClain FB Alabama
5) B) Sabby Piscatelli S Oregon State (5th rounder for Doug Gabriel)
6) Ed McCarthy OL Yale
7) Dallas Sartz LB USC

[Freakshow]

Here's mine...so far. We trade Moss for a second rounder and package both 2's for another mid-#1.

1.a JaMarcus Russell (QB)
1.b Marshawn Lynch (RB)
3.a Kyle Young (C)
3.b Johnny Harline (TE)
4. Tony Ugoh (T)
5a. Paul Williams (WR)
5b. Best o-lineman available
6. Best o-lineman available
7. Best o-lineman available

I'm getting a little aroused just thinking about it.

[Madturk]

That would be a major coup if we could bag both JRUss and MLynch in the first.
Kyle Young was on my wish list a few months back but I think if we draft a center, it will be Khalil. Kiffen wants an athletic center and who better?

[007]

This is fun. I'll play too.

1) JaMarcus Russell QB LSU
* You all know how I feel about our QB position. Other than O-line, its our weakest link. Russell is too talented to pass up here. Big, strong, good arm, young, coachable and mobile enough to survive.

2) Zach Miller TE ASU
* Sounds wierd but he reminds me of Todd Christensen. Probably wont be that dynamic, but he is a player and well worthy of a second rounder.

3) Anonio Pittman RB OSU

* He is a solid prospect, who is more of a complimentary guy, but he has potential.

3) Paul Williams WR Fresno

* This guy has all the physical tools in the world, but he wasnt a factor in his offense. He is a second round talent, IMO.

4) Manuel Ramirez OG Texas Tech

* Beastly. Huge, strong and a mauler. Just what the doc ordered.

5) Sabby Piscatelli S Oregon

* He hits hard, and is a bit under the radar. Good size too.

5) Andrew Carnahan OT ASU

* 6-8 300 pounds, athletic and has the potential Oakland craves. West coast kid too.

6) Cory Anderson FB Alabama
* 6-3 255 typical lead blocker. We could use him.

7) Jeff Samardzija WR ND

* Take a flyer on a top 20 talent. Baseball might fall through, Drew Henson style.

A few notes:

a) I tried to make it as realistic as possible. No Lynch or Jarrett in round 2 etc. Not trade downs. We've never done it before, so I don't assume we'll start now...

b) I truly think Kiffin and company will stick with Gallery/Grove for 1 more season at those two spots, and sign some veteran lineman, hence why I didnt make it a priority

c) I don't see a DT of value at any point where we pick. Probably should add one, but this is a very early mock.

[CrossBones]

Nice try fellas. I know this thread was started to get an early look at the Bonesdraft but not a chance...I'll wait for the Lil Al...

[Madturk]

This is our dream draft, don't be such a stick in the mud, afterall it's a crapshoot after round three anyway.

[massraider]

There's not enough bandwidth to post my dream draft, it'd involve trading Porter, Moss, the number 1 pick, boogying up and down Day 1, and winding up with Marshawn Lynch, 3 O-linemen, a DE, a DT, a WR, a TE, and a QB.

As it is, I think everyone is already trying to figure out how to shoehorn that Carriker kid into our pick at the top of the 2nd.

[Jack's sore libido]

1) Adrian Peterson RB OU
2) Adam Carriker DE NU
3) A) Troy Smith QB OSU
3) B) Brian Leonard RB Rutgers (compensatory pick for Chaz)
4) Baraka Atkins DE Miami
5) A) Marcus Thomas DT UF
5) B) Joel Filani WR Texas Tech (5th rounder for Doug Gabriel)
6) Kevin Boss TE Western Oregon
7) Andre Bennett OT Grambling State

... this goes along with signing Eric Steinbach and Leonard Davis.

[Madturk]

1) Adrian Peterson RB OU
2) Adam Carriker DE NU
3) A) Troy Smith QB OSU
3) B) Brian Leonard RB Rutgers (compensatory pick for Chaz)
4) Baraka Atkins DE Miami
5) A) Marcus Thomas DT UF
5) B) Joel Filani WR Texas Tech (5th rounder for Doug Gabriel)
6) Kevin Boss TE Western Oregon
7) Andre Bennett OT Grambling State

... this goes along with signing Eric Steinbach and Leonard Davis.

I had Baraka pretty even with Mkristo Bruce but gave Bruce the nod because he's a PAC 10 guy

[007]

1) Adrian Peterson RB OU
2) Adam Carriker DE NU
3) A) Troy Smith QB OSU
3) B) Brian Leonard RB Rutgers (compensatory pick for Chaz)
4) Baraka Atkins DE Miami
5) A) Marcus Thomas DT UF
5) B) Joel Filani WR Texas Tech (5th rounder for Doug Gabriel)
6) Kevin Boss TE Western Oregon
7) Andre Bennett OT Grambling State

... this goes along with signing Eric Steinbach and Leonard Davis.

I like the three top forty picks you snagged in rounds 2 and 3...:D

Leonard would be awesome, but it worries me that he is so set on being a halfback.

H-back/FB and he is the perfect weopon, IMO.

Carriker is an absolute stud. Troy Smith has been head shoulders above every other QB at the senior bowl.

I would love your draft brother.

[Turo]

That would be a major coup if we could bag both JRUss and MLynch in the first.
Kyle Young was on my wish list a few months back but I think if we draft a center, it will be Khalil. Kiffen wants an athletic center and who better?

I will shit my pants in glee if we can make that happen.

Sadly, I think we can file that under the 'we're trading up for Ricky Williams' wish list.

[BigTron]

1. Adrian Peterson (Al mentioned him, Lane recruited him.Instant running game)
2. Tony Ugoh (Mauler RT to run block)
3. Brian Leonard (Utilizing players huh Lane, this guys a weapon)
4. Matt Spaeth (C.Anderson.. Ya Fired)
5. Best Possible D-Line/O-LIne (who ever drops at DE or C)

I thought id make one without JR!

[Jack's sore libido]

I like the three top forty picks you snagged in rounds 2 and 3...:D

Leonard would be awesome, but it worries me that he is so set on being a halfback.

H-back/FB and he is the perfect weopon, IMO.

Carriker is an absolute stud. Troy Smith has been head shoulders above every other QB at the senior bowl.

I would love your draft brother.

Well, it is a dream draft, after all.

Troy Smith might have dropped out of the top 40 after the national title game. I can only hope.

I can't imagine Leonard works out well enough to go in the top 40.

[massraider]

I can't imagine Leonard works out well enough to go in the top 40.

Him losing 15 pounds to be a tailback kind of makes me think it'll hurt him.

[Ghost To The Post]

Him losing 15 pounds to be a tailback kind of makes me think it'll hurt him.

It'll be "Touchdown" Tommy Vardell, all over again!

[007]

I was only razzin Jack, you didnt notice me slide the Shark in round 7?

I figure Leonard is making a huge judgement error by dropping to 225. He's smaller, slower and less agile than Tony Hunt and Mike Bush.

If he stayed at 240 and still had his hands and speed, he'd be the epitome of a perfect H-back/fullback.

Troy Smith may have dropped, but he sure as hell is climbing back up into the top 3-4 QB's. Very nice senior bowl.

[hawaiianboy]

I was alot more sure of who I wanted top to bottom last year... I really want to fall in love with a RT prospect, but the pickings are slim this year IMO...

Freakshow's scenario of somehow walking away with Russell and Lynch makes my nipples hard enough to cut glass... With the exception of the Paul Williams pick, my tastes fall pretty similar with 007's....

As of today, and I'm going to hope we take care of the RT and TE spots in free agency with one of Leonard Davis/Jon Runyan and Daniel Graham/Jim Kleinsasser/Eric Johnson:


1) JaMarcus Russell QB LSU

I'd really like to be in position to take future sturd Adrian Peterson here, but there are enough red flags on Andrew Walter that makes passing on a potential franchise QB really difficult... Al tried to trade the farm to get John Elway just two years removed from spending a mid 1st RD pick on Marc Wilson, so I don't think he's afraid to eat a pick for a player with what would be termed 'special talents'....

2) JaLawrence Timmons OLB Fla St.

I don't know if he'll make it to the top of 2 and it's certainly not a major need, but I see alot of Takeo Spikes in him....In a span of three years we'll have gone from having average LB's to lining up Timmons, Morrison, and Howard across the board with Sam, Bing and Thomas providing depth....


3) JaSampson Satele OC/OG Hawaii

May seem like a homer pick, but I really thought he was the best pivot I saw all year...Strong as hell, adept at shotgun snap and also played at a first day level as an OG... Real take charge of the team and lead kind of guy... The time he's spent in the offseasons working with Olin Kruetz has rubbed off temperment wise....


3) JaMarcus Thomas DT Florida

This is about where I figure teams will start overlooking the suspension and drug arrest to take a chance on someone who otherwise would have been probably a mid 1st Rd pick... Turn him over to Keith Millard and hope the kid has matured...

4) JaSyvelle Newton WR South Carolina

One of my favorite prospects in this draft... Ex QB's just seem to have a knack for getting open as WR's... I think this is a guy that a coach could move around to create mismatches much the way the Steelers did with Randle-El... I love receivers that can make plays after the catch...


5) JaXzavie Jackson DE Missouri

Doesn't get alot of pub and good luck pronouncing his name, but every time I've watched him he's been unblockable rushing the passer... Still raw since I think he played TE til 2 years ago, but he reminds me alot of Bertrand Berry...

5) JaGary Russell RB Minnesota

When he was splitting time with Maroney, I thought he was actually the better back... Explosive is the word I'd use... Too bad he couldn't get out of his own way... Had he kept his grades up and been able to play this year, we may have been talking about him in the same breath with Marshawn Lynch IMO...

6) JaDustin Fry OC/OG Clemson

Big and strong... may be a guy to stash on the practice squad and develop as a guard...


7) JaDante Rosario TE/FB/H-back Oregon

[Deadbolt]

haha...JaGary is killing me

[RaiderIVlife]

1.) BPA
2.) BPA
3.) BPA
4.) BPA
5.) BPA
6.) BPA
7.) BPA

I won't even pretend to know we'll draft and frankly, I barely watched college football over the last 3 years. You guys seem to have done your homework. All I can really do is read the opinions pieces from the "experts".

As to FA, I'd like Runyan, but I don't get the feeling he's a West Coast guy from hearing his radio interviews over the years. Also, I can't see him uprooting his family from Philly to Oakland, particularly to go to a team that (on paper) has less chance of winning than his current situation.

In short, I think he's pipedream. I think we'll overpay for Leonard Davis, draft a couple of guys have them compete with Gallery, Gove (yuck), Boothe & McUgly.

[Langlier]

1) Jamarcus Russell QB LSU
2) Michael Bush RB Louisville
3) A) Ryan Kalil C USC
3) B) Matt Spaeth TE (compensatory pick for Chaz)
4) Mkristo Bruce DE Wash State
5) Leron McClain FB Alabama
5) B) Sabby Piscatelli S Oregon State (5th rounder for Doug Gabriel)
6) Ed McCarthy OL Yale
7) Dallas Sartz LB USC

Im resigning myself to russell. I dont dislike him, I'd just rather take the better player in AP

Bush in 2... I'm not high on bush and say no

Kalil in 3 would be nice

Spaeth is good but not my fave pick here

Bruce is a house and id love him in 4

no to mcclain in 5

rest is gravy.

id be ok with that draft but it could be soooo much better.

[jatfly]

haha...JaGary is killing me
I guess that would make you

JaDeadbolt

and I would be

JaJatfly


I kinda Like that!!!:rolleyes:

[CrossBones]

I'm warming to the JaBones moniker. :cool:

[Madturk]

"Mighty God is a living man" and that be Jamarcus. Come to the Ja side Bones.

[Crow]

You guys are losing it.

Way too many warts on Ja to justify taking him #1 overall, especially with superior players like AP and CJ on the board.

[hawaiianboy]

I'm warming to the JaBones moniker. :cool:

Since Crow has the Jabroni name on lockdown, JaBones fits you mon....

[massraider]

Way too many warts on Ja to justify taking him #1 overall, especially with superior players like AP and CJ on the board.

What are they? I'd like to know. I truly haven't read too many negatives.

[007]

You guys are losing it.

Way too many warts on Ja to justify taking him #1 overall, especially with superior players like AP and CJ on the board.

AP has too jaded an injury history to warrant such an early pick. His high running style is asking for Chris Brown, Fred Taylor, Deuce McCallister etc. type nagging injuries his whole career.

If he can't stay healthy in a 12 game college season, he won't hold up over 16+ games and a preseason.

If we trade down to the 5 spot to take a guy who has never played a full college season, fine. Not at the first spot though.

CJ is a wide receiver, and as of this moment we have five serviceable ones. We dont have a QB, however.

[Jack's sore libido]

1) Adrian Peterson RB OU
2) Adam Carriker DE NU
3) A) Troy Smith QB OSU
3) B) Brian Leonard RB Rutgers (compensatory pick for Chaz)
4) Baraka Atkins DE Miami
5) A) Marcus Thomas DT UF
5) B) Joel Filani WR Texas Tech (5th rounder for Doug Gabriel)
6) Kevin Boss TE Western Oregon
7) Andre Bennett OT Grambling State

... this goes along with signing Eric Steinbach and Leonard Davis.


Dammit, I forgot all about Daniel Buizin, the defensive end from Central Michigan. Be happy to have him in the fifth round if Atkins can't be had in the fourth, and move Thomas and Filani up (since I doubt they'll be available there anyway).

[TheNextStep]

6) JaDustin Fry OC/OG Clemson

Big and strong... may be a guy to stash on the practice squad and develop as a guard...

You sleeper-pick stealing son of JaBitch!

[NIPS]

http://www.secsports.com/image_lib/fbc_lsu_jamarcus_russell_164w_102205.jpg

RD1) With his huge size and purely gifted athleticism, Russell is a rare specimen at QB. He's bigger than most of the linebackers who will be blitzing him, and will be bigger than even some of the defensive ends trying to bring him down. Add that to the fact that he has a huge arm with good touch and that he plays faster than his timed speed (a rarity these days among QBs), and Russell is an exceptional prospect


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RD 2) RB - Michael Bush has an exceedingly rare combination of skills at running back: he's big, powerful, quick, and has tremendous vision for the hole. Add that to a nose for the endzone and soft hands out of the backfield, and you've got yourself a hell of a prospect. He has the power to bowl over linebackers, and the speed and acceleration to run by many safeties in the NFL


RD 3) OC Kyle Young ~ Fresno State -- Regarded by many as the top center prospect in the nation. When the Bulldogs have needed to gain the important yards in the rushing game the last few seasons, they've followed big Kyle up the middle and results were usually positive....As a center, you cannot find a better prospect. Young possesses all the physical qualities you look for, along with all the intangibles. He has excellent size, and the strength to dominate players at the point of attack. He also shows the athleticism and agility to get out and block on the move. Young is as durable as they come, having started 39 straight games for the Bulldogs. With his experience and intelligence, he should be ready to start from Day 1 in the NFL. With his size and talent, he also brings the versatility to play guard at the next level, and has actually worked out at tackle in practice during his college days.


My hope is to land Steinbach in FA as well as T.E Eric Johnson.. But Zach Miller in rd 2 certainly gives me a boner (In a non gay way)

[007]

^ That gave me a woody right there ^

Granted it doesnt take much, but it's still a beauty.

Add: Baraka Atkins and Paul Williams in rounds 3-4 and we're laughin...

[gst8]

http://www.secsports.com/image_lib/fbc_lsu_jamarcus_russell_164w_102205.jpg

RD1) With his huge size and purely gifted athleticism, Russell is a rare specimen at QB. He's bigger than most of the linebackers who will be blitzing him, and will be bigger than even some of the defensive ends trying to bring him down. Add that to the fact that he has a huge arm with good touch and that he plays faster than his timed speed (a rarity these days among QBs), and Russell is an exceptional prospect


http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/27/277248m.jpg

RD 2) RB - Michael Bush has an exceedingly rare combination of skills at running back: he's big, powerful, quick, and has tremendous vision for the hole. Add that to a nose for the endzone and soft hands out of the backfield, and you've got yourself a hell of a prospect. He has the power to bowl over linebackers, and the speed and acceleration to run by many safeties in the NFL


RD 3) OC Kyle Young ~ Fresno State -- Regarded by many as the top center prospect in the nation. When the Bulldogs have needed to gain the important yards in the rushing game the last few seasons, they've followed big Kyle up the middle and results were usually positive....As a center, you cannot find a better prospect. Young possesses all the physical qualities you look for, along with all the intangibles. He has excellent size, and the strength to dominate players at the point of attack. He also shows the athleticism and agility to get out and block on the move. Young is as durable as they come, having started 39 straight games for the Bulldogs. With his experience and intelligence, he should be ready to start from Day 1 in the NFL. With his size and talent, he also brings the versatility to play guard at the next level, and has actually worked out at tackle in practice during his college days.


My hope is to land Steinbach in FA as well as T.E Eric Johnson.. But Zach Miller in rd 2 certainly gives me a boner (In a non gay way)

I would love that draft.

[Crow]

We dont have a QB, however.
How do you know that? Can you seriously judge anyone on offense by that trainwreck Shell/Walsh created this year?

What are they? I'd like to know. I truly haven't read too many negatives.

Mixed reviews of his coachability. Some say he's not all that great with the mental aspects of the game. Not exactly solid muscle. Maybe not a "saggy man-tits" type, but definitely not chiseled either. Guys like Chris Landry say things like "This guy scares me" when asked about Ja.

Pretty much the biggest "boom or bust" guy in this class, and I'm just not fond of our chances when it comes to that type of player.

[Deadbolt]

I think people are sleeping on Kenny Irons. Dude's not real flashy or anything, but he gets the job done.

[massraider]

Mixed reviews of his coachability. Some say he's not all that great with the mental aspects of the game. Not exactly solid muscle. Maybe not a "saggy man-tits" type, but definitely not chiseled either. Guys like Chris Landry say things like "This guy scares me" when asked about Ja.

Pretty much the biggest "boom or bust" guy in this class, and I'm just not fond of our chances when it comes to that type of player.

That constitutes "too many warts"? I disagree.

I've read Landry's comments, he's getting a lot of mileage out of them. Good for him for taking a stance on the guy, but I sure haven't seen anyone else speaking that strongly about him in a negative manner.

Regarding coachability, I'd be interested to see where that's coming from. Because the LSU coaches have nothing bad to say, which is to be expected. However, the guy that has been working with him lkately, Tom Brady's offseason guy, specifically praised his coachability. My question is, who's left that could intelligently comment on such a thing?

I know what you're saying about his size, we don't want him any heavier than he is now, but I'm not too worried about his physique. How many QB's eat their way out of the league?

This is the way I look at it: If you are trying to talk someone out of drafting Peterson, what would you say?

1. Higher running style has lent itself to injury in the past.
2. Durability questions
3. RB is a plentiful position
4. Presence of Lamont Jordan--hey, not a compelling reason, but it's a factor.

Now, the durability and running style questions, as far as questions go, are pretty much beyond argument. They are legit concerns. In my opinion.

Is there any question about Russell that can't be argued? intelligence, coachability, intangibles, etc. We're not hearing anything about mobility, ability to make the throws, any technical aspect of his game. Decision-making, I've heard that. Sounds reasonable. But with a 65% completion rating, how bad could it have been?

Not trying to pick a fight here, at all. I don't have the stomach for it anymore. And I fully admit to having bought into the idea of taking a QB, specifically Russell. I'm on the bandwagon, fully. The only other pick I could stand is Peterson.

But if someone is gonna talk me out of Russell, I'd like to hear some solid arguments.

The funny part is, the guy that probably has no holes at all is Calvin Johnson, and that pick would make me scratch my eyes out.

[Deadbolt]

Others have mentioned it, but I wonder if there will be any kind of discrepancy between Kiffin and Al. Maybe one wants Quinn, one Russell? That would be interesting.

[Limee]

A couple of concerns with Russell:

Looking at him against top 25 competition and he only had a 1:1 TD to INT ratio.
He tends to float passes on occassion.

The most interesting thing was Brady's offseason tutor saying how coachable he is. You combine that with his obvious physical talents...

The funny part is, the guy that probably has no holes at all is Calvin Johnson, and that pick would make me scratch my eyes out.

I haven't seen that much of him this year, but one game I saw he seemed to have a problem reading the deep pass in the air. I also read somewhere that considering his amazing physical talents he doesn't actually catch the percentage of passes thrown to him that you might expect. This might not be much of anything, but I don't believe there is such a thing as a no risk pick, well not since the Gallery...

[CrossBones]

Yo Limee...

Gallery > Tony Mandarich :eek:

You're right. There are NO sure things in the draft --- The Mother of All Crap Shoots

[Limee]

You are spot on, so do you try to minimise the risk or go all in?

[007]

I haven't seen that much of this year, but one game I saw he seemed to have a problem reading the deep pass in the air. I also read somewhere that considering his amazing physical talents he doesn't actually catch the percentage of passes thrown to him that you might expect. This might not be much of anything, but I don't believe there is such a thing as a no risk pick, well not since the Gallery...

CJ's QB was the worst in the NCAA. We're talking Reggie fucking Ball...

CJ was lucky to get the balls within five feet of him, and he came down with the majority of those balls.

CJ is gifted beyond belief. Never thought I'd ever see a guy who is a hybrid of Terrell Owen's (Size-Strength) Randy Moss (Vertica jumpl-Athleticism) and Marvin Harrison (Hands-Work ethic)

This guy is sick.

That being said, he shouldnt be the pick. Gotta be RB or QB (Preferably the latter)

[Limee]

CJ's QB was the worst in the NCAA. We're talking Reggie fucking Ball...

I agree, but this was about catchable balls. I can see he has major talent, I just don't think he is flawless.

[007]

No prospect has ever been 'flawless'

Heck, CJ will be lucky to break the mythical 4.5 at the combine...

He is however, as close to complete a prospect as it gets.

[Whistle]

Ya know...You could almost say having the #1 overall sucks....Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't..

Good thing I drink, 'cause if I didn't, come April I wouldn't have any hair left...

It is exciting though..Kinda like what am I getting for Christmas!!

I still think I would take Russell in 1, Best RB available in 2, OL in 3, and BPA from there on out. And hope we can attract OL, a TE, and a DE in FA..

[Deadbolt]

Yeah, it's almost a shame that CJ is so good. It makes it harder not to pick him. I wouldn't necessarily mind if we took him, but I think Russell, Quinn or AP would be a better pick.

This is that old BPA over need argument. Hopefully it doesn't end up biting us on the ass.

[BigTron]

Yeah, it's almost a shame that CJ is so good. It makes it harder not to pick him. I wouldn't necessarily mind if we took him, but I think Russell, Quinn or AP would be a better pick.

This is that old BPA over need argument. Hopefully it doesn't end up biting us on the ass.

I heard o rumor that Moss talked with Kiffin and still doesnt want any part of being here. If thats true hopefully we can trade his miserable ass. Then CJ would be a lock IMO.

[Madturk]

I heard o rumor that Moss talked with Kiffin and still doesnt want any part of being here. If thats true hopefully we can trade his miserable ass. Then CJ would be a lock IMO.

Not necessarily. We still have a big ? at QB. Even without the macontent Moss, we still have Curry, Porter and Gabriel, assuming Porter stays put obviously. That's a serviceable trio of wideouts plus if we can add a decent TE via the draft or FA, I think we'll be alright here. Not taking anything away from CJ but I don't see the logic in drafting a wideout that high.

[BigTron]

Not necessarily. We still have a big ? at QB. Even without the macontent Moss, we still have Curry, Porter and Gabriel, assuming Porter stays put obviously. That's a serviceable trio of wideouts plus if we can add a decent TE via the draft or FA, I think we'll be alright here. Not taking anything away from CJ but I don't see the logic in drafting a wideout that high.

Yeah I personally would like to trade down and draft CJ or AP.

Calvin Johnson is the safest pick in this whole draft in my mind. He wouldnt help us this season but are we really going to pick a player based on next season? CJ would be a great locker room guy and a quiet harkworking surehanded reciever for whoever is the QB of the future.

Adrian Peterson also could instantly give us a running game which we havent had in forever. That also could help stabalize this offense and help out thedefense by burning clock.

JaMarcus Russell wouldnt hurt my feelings at #1, but its a scary, expensive gamble. If he blows everyone away at the combine and looks to be a safer pick I would be a lot happier. It just makes me worry nobody talked about this guy much until the sugarbowl.But he IS only 21 and has a cannon and some mobility, he worked with Peyton and with Brady's QB guru(both loved his abilities). Can this guy read NFL defense's fast enough? I have no clue. Hopefully Kid Kiffin and AL will be able to find out before draft day.

Brady Quinn is also a good prospect. I wouldnt mind trading down alot and getting Quinn if he slips like Lienart did. Quinn doesnt have JR's ceiling but his floor is higher if you know what im saying.We could save alot of money with that move and aquire some picks and a future QB.

I would be happy with any of the top 5 prospects on offense honestly. If we could pick up some extra picks and save some cap room that would be my ideal scenario.

Any of these trades would be great.
Trade Down and aquire an extra 2nd and/or 3rd.
Trade Moss for a 2nd round pick.

*Select Calvin Johnson with our first pick.
*Trade two of our three second rounders to move back up into the first and
select a slipping M.Lynch or trade even more to get a slipping A.Peterson.
* Select Ugoh or Blaylock or the best O-Lineman or D-lineman that fell out of the first.
*Trade the third round pick for David Carr
* Use the pick recieved for Chaz on TE Matt Spaeth

We could end up with CJ, Lynch,a RT or DE, David Carr and a young TE. Sign a few free agents and were back! ahh weed pipe dreams...

[Byron2112]

I would be happy with any of the top 5 prospects on offense honestly. If we could pick up some extra picks and save some cap room that would be my ideal scenario.


This how I feel.

Non of the top 5 guys is really separating himself for me...

[hawaiianboy]

I'm having a real hard time deciding between taking the RB and QB myself...

I personally feel that Adrian Peterson, more so than anyone else, will blow up at the combine/personal workouts... His combination of size, freaky leg strength, timed speed and leadership qualities will shine bright IMO...

Admittingly part of me wants to take him just because I'm having recurring nightmares of him somehow ending up in Denver behind that blocking scheme with his one cut running style...

Then again, since the demise of Rich Gannon as a premeire QB, Raider fans have been subjected to the likes of Rick Mirer, Rob Johnson, Tee Martin, Kerry Collins and Aaron Brooks at QB ::shudder:: .... That's like some kind of Scared Straight lineup... JaMarcus Russell has the kind of sick physical skills that you're almost afraid of passing over and it would be real nice to put an end to the line of mutts we've put behind center the past 4 years...

I guess alot of questions will be answered after seeing what we do, if anything, in free agency...

[CrossBones]

The pick this year is really scary. This franchise just can't afford to make a mistake whether it's QB, RB, WR or OL (but that will take some luck too)...Maybe that is why the Raiders went OL three years ago at #2. When I used to play fantasy football that #1 pick was always critical and a difficult decision to make. Imagine making the call on the #1 pick in the NFL draft after winning just 15 games in 4 years. OMG.

I go back to the idea of taking a chance and hopefully getting lucky. Since there are no sure things (not even Johnson or Peterson) might as well take the plunge and go QB. Whatever they do will involve luck. But to me getting that QB who can run things for 10 years is pretty valuable. If we miss well we could miss with Joe Thomas or Peterson just as easily.

[NIPS]

I'm having a real hard time deciding between taking the RB and QB myself...

I personally feel that Adrian Peterson, more so than anyone else, will blow up at the combine/personal workouts... His combination of size, freaky leg strength, timed speed and leadership qualities will shine bright IMO...

Admittingly part of me wants to take him just because I'm having recurring nightmares of him somehow ending up in Denver behind that blocking scheme with his one cut running style...

Then again, since the demise of Rich Gannon as a premeire QB, Raider fans have been subjected to the likes of Rick Mirer, Rob Johnson, Tee Martin, Kerry Collins and Aaron Brooks at QB ::shudder:: .... That's like some kind of Scared Straight lineup... JaMarcus Russell has the kind of sick physical skills that you're almost afraid of passing over and it would be real nice to put an end to the line of mutts we've put behind center the past 4 years...

I guess alot of questions will be answered after seeing what we do, if anything, in free agency...

There are a few rules to the exception, LT comes to mind

But when you look at what Emmitt Smith did not do in Arizona, Edgerin James did nothing in Zona, You look at guys like Frank Gore etc, and I'm a true believer that without an OL a RB is useless. And as much as I bust Jordan for his slow reaction to hitting the holes, to be honest there really wasnt much

I think this team ought really concentrate on the QB and OL this draft. And take a flyer on Antonio Pittman in rd 3.

Lets all be honest here. RB's are the product of a good line. Hell, the Broncos pump out quality RB's every frekin year, doesnt matter who they put in

Chiefs the same way.. Priest Holmes sucked major balls in Baltimore and goes there and lights it up.

Larry Johnson steps in and picks up the torch.

I'm all for the quick passing game, accuracy with the throw of the ball and pounding it for 1st downs and chewing up the clock.. You all know the advantages there

Having Moss score on an 80 yard bomb is nice... but not when theres still 14 minuts still left in the 1st qtr.

I personally believe someone like Kalil or Kyle Young and a QB with the abilities of Russell will open up our running game. Like you mentioned before, Jordan did have 1600 total yards two years ago

I'm ok with a 900-1000 yard rusher...

What I want more than anything right now is to

1) Stop the MF'ers from blitzing us every down, Russells quick release will stop all that

2) TOP.. very important.. Pound the ball, quick strikes to TE's, scrambling abilities of Russell with the occasional bomb down the field

Peterson and Russell are very close. But I go with the guy thats gonna get the ball in his hands 100 % of the time the balls snapped if I'm picking 1

Antonio Pittman will be a good nice young back that can be had in the 3rd.

And of course we wont win 11 games

But ya know what?

One thing at a time...

Lets get that QB and OL going and we'll address the RB in next years draft or sign a FA

I'm willing to take this year and develop Russel and get this players use to this new scheme, hitting the TE's, quick slants.. get the Defense to perform again

Then in 2008... We strike with Iron fist

[Turo]

Totally agree. Until we fix the O-line, we're going to continue to suck ass in all aspects of the offensive game. I don't think there's a "Ricky Williams" in this year's draft (with all due respect to AP's talent, he's not on that level). I'm kind of secretly wishing we trade down 1-2 spots and pick up Big Joe, figure out a way to parlay our way back up into the mid-to-late first to grab Jarrett, Ginn, or Lynch, and then pick up our TE and QB prospects in rounds 2/3. We've historically done a good job of drafting big fat guys to plug in at DT late in the draft.. so I'm comfortable waiting until the second day to hammer that out.

Add in a FA pickup for the O-line like Max Starks and all of a sudden we're looking pretty solid up front with Gallery moved back over to RT and big Joe plugged in at LT. I'd be willing to gamble that our running game will improve significantly behind that kind of a line and our QB corps will show signs of life next year. If we go through this next year (in which, Jordan is going to be a non-factor with his knee injury) and figure out Fargas isn't the guy, then we can draft a RB early on next year and/or a QB.

The sad truth is, it's very likely we'll be picking in the top half of the 1st round again next year, so we'll have a decent shot at picking up a well thought of QB/RB if it comes to that and Walter/Fargas show themselves to not be "it".

One thing nealy every championship team has ever had in common is a dominating O-line (and a nice-to-great defense). It *all* starts up front.

For me, anyone we pick in the top five or so is going to be a great addition to the team... I don't think anyone in that range is significantly head and shoulders above the rest. Good talent? Absolutely. But I'm just not seeing the next HOF running back or QB. The closest thing to that would be CJ or Big Joe, IMO. But, what the hell do I know?:cool:

[Limee]

One thing nealy every championship team has ever had in common is a dominating O-line (and a nice-to-great defense). It *all* starts up front.
I wholeheartedly agree. I just don't see Thomas as being worth a top 5 pick. I could well be wrong as I thought Gallery would be great, but Thomas doesn't look like a superior prospect to me.

If you look at the final 4 teams then they do all have good lines. The thing is you don't necessarily need to draft them in the first round, they all have lower round picks/FA/trades type players. This is where we really could have done with Gallery and Grove panning out. This year there doesn't seem to be as much depth in the draft for Oline and some of them disappointed at the senior bowl. I would still like to see us pick up more talent in the draft if it is available. I think Boothe from last year looks like a good player and time will tell with McQuistan.

The other factors with Oline play are coaching and continuity in that they really need to work as a unit and that takes time. It does't help that it looks like we will be changing coach and scheme again this year.

I think we need to get a quality coach and decide on what scheme we will be using. We then need to try to add a veteran or two (it would be great if we could find a leader for that group) who will fit that scheme and can help the young guys out. I would then also look at adding another lineman in the draft even if it is a day 2 pick.

[RaiderIVlife]

Anyone else sick of the endless draft scenario's yet?

Geez, this will go one until the later half of April? Fuck.

For what it's worth, if the Raiders did trade down and end up with any combination of Thomas/Branch/Lynch/Jarrett - I wouldn't complain at all.

I also won't complain if we end up with Russell, Quinn, Petersen, or Johnson either.

Effective arguements can be made in all cases.

I'm more curious to see how we deal with Moss, Porter, Jordan, Brooks and our FA dollars. THEN the draft will have more relavence for me. (shrug)

[007]

Anyone else sick of the endless draft scenario's yet?

Geez, this will go one until the later half of April? Fuck.

For what it's worth, if the Raiders did trade down and end up with any combination of Thomas/Branch/Lynch/Jarrett - I wouldn't complain at all.

I also won't complain if we end up with Russell, Quinn, Petersen, or Johnson either.

Effective arguements can be made in all cases.

I'm more curious to see how we deal with Moss, Porter, Jordan, Brooks and our FA dollars. THEN the draft will have more relavence for me. (shrug)

Agreed.

My head spins from the amount of options availible to us, and anyone other than Ted Ginn or Gaines Adams would make me happy in the top 6 (If we stay or trade down a bit).

[hawaiianboy]

Here's something a little different:

VIDEO MOCK DRAFT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H4NcdQenls)


The Ginn and Patrick Willis parts were particulary good.... About 9 minutes long....

[Limee]

I'm more curious to see how we deal with Moss, Porter, Jordan, Brooks and our FA dollars. THEN the draft will have more relavence for me. (shrug)

I agree, I can't really think in terms of specific picks that I would like to see us make until some other things have been cleared up. I do agree with Raiderfan007 in that I feel more comfortable drafting a QB now than I did a couple of weeks ago.

[NIPS]

Some RB vids

Antonio Pittman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMhonqcbXv8

Kenny Irons

1:50

Michael Bush

4:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzOQOOMId0c

I'd highly advise that you turn off your speakers, I dont have an answer for you

[Limee]

This video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-6M9fIincgM) shows me that Quinn is the perfect fit for our offense.

[jatfly]

This video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-6M9fIincgM) shows me that Quinn is the perfect fit for our offense.
My problem is people are trying to hard to find the next Tom Brady and this guy is a rare find.
I just am not sold he is Tom Brady.......

[CrossBones]

This video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-6M9fIincgM) shows me that Quinn is the perfect fit for our offense.Wow looked like Brady Walter for sure right there. He better get the rights to that clip and get rid of it fast! :eek:

[Limee]

I like the Benny Hill music that goes with it.

Watching some highlight clips, Quinn is capable of some very accurate throws into tight coverage when he has time. He also moves around a little in the pocket, but when under intense pressure like a lot of QBs things start to go wrong.

I can't find clips for Russell showing a lot of his throws but he can certainly make a jawdropping play (http://youtube.com/watch?v=KCvJjJxrSFA) or two. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JuHXGVudSGw)

[CrossBones]

I like the Benny Hill music that goes with it.

Watching some highlight clips, Quinn is capable of some very accurate throws into tight coverage when he has time. He also moves around a little in the pocket, but when under intense pressure like a lot of QBs things start to go wrong.

I can't find clips for Russell showing a lot of his throws but he can certainly make a jawdropping play (http://youtube.com/watch?v=KCvJjJxrSFA) or two. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JuHXGVudSGw)Thanks for the clips Limee.

This is what I have been talking about. I have NEVER see Walter make a play like that. In that first clip, Russell avoided the rush and threw the ball 60 yards in the air on the run...now that's what I call WOW!!!!

[Limee]

That first one stood out, I thought the receiver helped him a lot with the second one. I would say the second clip was a bit similar to Walters pass against San Fran in the pre-season 2 years ago. Of course that went for about 20 yards rather than 50.

I wish there were more clips of Russell to see some of the thread the needle type passes.

[Jack's sore libido]

Here's something a little different:

VIDEO MOCK DRAFT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H4NcdQenls)


The Ginn and Patrick Willis parts were particulary good.... About 9 minutes long....

Oh my. Those two highlights are both within the first four minutes, and definitely worth watching.

[CrossBones]

Anyone else sick of the endless draft scenario's yet?

Geez, this will go one until the later half of April? Fuck.Well I';m afraid you haven't seen notin' yet. Wait until the combines start and the mocks are in full swing. Well have zillions of rumors, trade down scenarios and wish lists.

Hey it's good. It keeps Raiders football at the top of the list. Shit by June we'll be drooling to get to Oakland to watch the Raiders v1.07 live and in person! :D

[Jack's sore libido]

What I love most about the Revis highlight is the blocker who takes out two guys at once to make that play possible.

[Jack's sore libido]

My problem is people are trying to hard to find the next Tom Brady and this guy is a rare find.
I just am not sold he is Tom Brady.......

You've got to watch the video before you reply. :)

[hawaiianboy]

This video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-6M9fIincgM) shows me that Quinn is the perfect fit for our offense.


Man oh man, you're going to have Templar Knights storming your castle for doing Saint Brady like that... :D


Even if you like BQ, you gotta admit that Michigan fan has a wicked sense of humor with the Benny Hill theme...


Alan Branch looked pretty good...

[jatfly]

You've got to watch the video before you reply. :)
I did watch it. It's just there are some others on this board (that will remain name less) that for some reason like Quinn over Russell, I just think Russell has the upside I like in a QB.
I am normally not a fan of taking a QB high in the draft. That was until last years mess......We passed over at least 5 to 6 top arms over the last 3 years to take average joes, or at least not the most impactful player. Oh wait we passed over a few guys
We need to get a great QB and if we are gonna pick in the top 5 Let's get someone to build something with.

[Turo]

I would be happy with anyone not named Brady Quinn in the first 6-7 picks.

[Jack's sore libido]

I would be happy with anyone not named Brady Quinn in the first 6-7 picks.

Ted Ginn?

That dude gets dissed a lot, but he's really become a helluva player.

[Turo]

He's on the bubble for me. Not sure he'd go that high? I'd rather have CJ (of course) or Jarrett, however. What I more or less meant was that to me, there's not much of a difference in my mind between J. Russ, AP, CJ, Big Joe, Branch.. I'd be happy with any of them and could totally see the reasoning for us to pick them up.

Ideally, I'd love to trade down to the 5-10 range and grab whoever is slipping and stockpile talent for the future (as our #1 position should demand).

[Ghost To The Post]

Moss to GB for 2nd and 3rd.

3rd round compensatory pick for Woodson

1.1 - JaMarcus Russell QB

2.33 - Zach Miller TE

2.47 - Ryan Kalil C

3.65 - Tank Tyler DT

3.78 - Marcus Thomas DT

3.Comp - Paul Williams WR

2nd Day

4.1 - LeRon McClain FB

5.1 - David Clowney WR

[NIPS]

Moss to GB for 2nd and 3rd.

3rd round compensatory pick for Woodson

1.1 - JaMarcus Russell QB

2.33 - Zach Miller TE

2.47 - Ryan Kalil C

3.65 - Tank Tyler DT

3.78 - Marcus Thomas DT

3.Comp - Paul Williams WR

2nd Day

4.1 - LeRon McClain FB

5.1 - David Clowney WR

Very nice Casper

I'd be very happy just coming out with Russell, Kalil and Miller

Doubt the Packers part ways with a 2nd and a 3rd

But a 2nd might work

And your 1st 3 picks certainly would be a possibilty

Marcus Thomss is damn sure worth a gamble late in rd 3, more likely the comp pick from Woodson

Good effort here

[NIPS]

1.1 JaMarcus Russell - QB

2.1 Ryan Kalil -C

3.1 Tony Ugoh -OT

3.2 **Comp pick** Marcus Thomas -DT

4.1 Le'Ron McClain -FB

5.1 Samson Satele - C/Guard - Hawaii

6.1 This year Nips little Al sleeper outta nowhere college ala Kevin Boothe (thank you ladies very much) Bo Smith - CB from McUglys alma mater Weber State

7.1 C.J Ah You - DE I'm drafting him just for his cool name

[R4Life]

Okay. I'll put my thoughts out there. I know that the 4th / 5th round picks might be a little off depending on how many Comp picks are issued, but I tried my best. What I'm excited about most is infusing the team with six atheletes from the top 100 college players.

Moss to GB for 2nd and Ferguson
3rd round compensatory pick for Woodson

1.1 - JaMarcus Russell QB L.S.U.
2.33 - Justin Blalock OG Texas
2.47 - (From GB) Greg Olsen TE Miami (FL)
3.78 - Michael Bush RB Louisville
3.97 -(comp) Doug Free OT Northern Illinois
4.100 - Kareem Brown DT Miami (FL)
5.140 - Rhema McKnight WR Notre Dame
5.166 (Patsies) Keith Jackson DT Alabama
6. 177 Ben Patrick TE Delaware
7. 209 Bryson Davis FB Mississippi State
7. 244 (Jets) - Whatever small wide reciever that is left who ran under a 4.42 at the combine. Carlos Francis anyone?

*

[BigTron]

Okay. I'll put my thoughts out there. I know that the 4th / 5th round picks might be a little off depending on how many Comp picks are issued, but I tried my best. What I'm excited about most is infusing the team with six atheletes from the top 100 college players.

Moss to GB for 2nd and Ferguson
3rd round compensatory pick for Woodson

1.1 - JaMarcus Russell QB L.S.U.
2.33 - Justin Blalock OG Texas
2.47 - (From GB) Greg Olsen TE Miami (FL)
3.78 - Michael Bush RB Louisville
3.97 -(comp) Doug Free OT Northern Illinois
4.100 - Kareem Brown DT Miami (FL)
5.140 - Rhema McKnight WR Notre Dame
5.166 (Patsies) Keith Jackson DT Alabama
6. 177 Ben Patrick TE Delaware
7. 209 Bryson Davis FB Mississippi State
7. 244 (Jets) - Whatever small wide reciever that is left who ran under a 4.42 at the combine. Carlos Francis anyone?

*

If Bush fall into the third round that would be a steal. Is he going to work out on that knee before the draft?

[jatfly]

Okay. I'll put my thoughts out there. I know that the 4th / 5th round picks might be a little off depending on how many Comp picks are issued, but I tried my best. What I'm excited about most is infusing the team with six atheletes from the top 100 college players.

Moss to GB for 2nd and Ferguson
3rd round compensatory pick for Woodson

1.1 - JaMarcus Russell QB L.S.U.
2.33 - Justin Blalock OG Texas
2.47 - (From GB) Greg Olsen TE Miami (FL)
3.78 - Michael Bush RB Louisville
3.97 -(comp) Doug Free OT Northern Illinois
4.100 - Kareem Brown DT Miami (FL)
5.140 - Rhema McKnight WR Notre Dame
5.166 (Patsies) Keith Jackson DT Alabama
6. 177 Ben Patrick TE Delaware
7. 209 Bryson Davis FB Mississippi State
7. 244 (Jets) - Whatever small wide reciever that is left who ran under a 4.42 at the combine. Carlos Francis anyone?

*

Yeah what he said, I love this draft but this is a little Maddenish!

[R4Life]

Yeah what he said, I love this draft but this is a little Maddenish!


Funny you should say that - I'm likely the last football fan under forty that has never played Madden before. Don't really get video games. Never did. Life is vivid enough for me.

It would be a great draft and I realize it would be highly unlikely. Maybe even a dream draft...

[007]

On a side note:

Traded Moss and a 3rd rounder for the 4th pick in the draft, and ended up with (In all seriousness) in my Madden Franchise...

AP and CJ in round one (LOL)
Levi Brown in round 2
Joe Newton in round 4
HB Blades in round 5
Isaiah Stanback in rd 6 (He has 90 speed as a QB...FUn)
Dan Bazuin in rd 7

It was a fun draft...And J-Russ stayed in school for his senior year. :)

[BigTron]

On a side note:

Traded Moss and a 3rd rounder for the 4th pick in the draft, and ended up with (In all seriousness) in my Madden Franchise...

AP and CJ in round one (LOL)
Levi Brown in round 2
Joe Newton in round 4
HB Blades in round 5
Isaiah Stanback in rd 6 (He has 90 speed as a QB...FUn)
Dan Bazuin in rd 7

It was a fun draft...And J-Russ stayed in school for his senior year. :)

Of course. so we could have Cj, Ap and Jr to start next season!~

[007]

Of course. so we could have Cj, Ap and Jr to start next season!~

Im serious man, NCAA 2007 imported rosters make the franchise 10X better.

Real rookies and draft picks.

I love having a bunch of awesome college players...:)

[MasterRaider]

Im serious man, NCAA 2007 imported rosters make the franchise 10X better.

Real rookies and draft picks.

I love having a bunch of awesome college players...:)

Hell yeah...I send my memory card out to DT Lidner and he puts 4 years of the college rosters on there so at each draft I upload the roster full of real college guys...makes the game a 100x better :D

[007]

Hell yeah...I send my memory card out to DT Lidner and he puts 4 years of the college rosters on there so at each draft I upload the roster full of real college guys...makes the game a 100x better :D

Me too man!

PS2 rosters.com

He's awesome and accurate.

[BigTron]

Me too man!

PS2 rosters.com

He's awesome and accurate.

XBox 360 has no fantasy draft. It sooo lame. Other than that the game kicks ass. But the draft's are the best part.

[CrossBones]

Be afraid...

3. Ted Ginn, Jr. Ohio St. 6-0 180 4.30

Bold = 40 time.

[R4Life]

RNK NAME.........POS..School......HT.....WT...40...Pro jected round
46 Josh Wilson CB Maryland 5-09 188 4.28 2

[BigTron]

Be afraid...

3. Ted Ginn, Jr. Ohio St. 6-0 180 4.30

Bold = 40 time.

Its kinda funny but I think CJ being so much better will make Al shy away from Ginn. If we go WR round 1 its gotta be the CJ. I think Bowe is as good if not better than Jarrett and Ginn. If we can get Bowe for Moss, ill cry.

[gst8]

Be afraid...

3. Ted Ginn, Jr. Ohio St. 6-0 180 4.30

Bold = 40 time.

I've read that he's been clocked in the low teens. :mad:

[RaiderIVlife]

Funny, I've been swayed by the arguements of others as time has gone along.

1.) DeMarcus Russell - Rare physical talent at QB. All his abilities are well chronicled, but perhaps the best attribute I've heard is "coachability". I just don't see it with Walter. My hedge bet here is Calvin Johnson. Pretty hard to pass on a guy that is described as Larry Fitzgerald with more natural ability.

2.) Adam Carriker - I'd love to have this guy opposite Burgess and he could/should pretty much round out the defense. Tyler Brayton as a starting DE is laughably bad. Zero sacks, c'mon. My hedge pick here is Zach Miller - TE. I've finally been swayed by the need for a legit TE and if Carriker is gone and Miller is there, I'd take him. Besides, it would be nice to see Russell & Miller grow together.

3.) BPA - Between RB, DT & OL. An equal arguement can made in all areas and my knowledge of College Football is lacking anyway.

[007]

Carriker would be absolutely awesome if he dropped, but my head tells me he is gonna get scooped by any of those 3-4 teams between the 10 spot in the draft and our second rounder.

I hope guys like Jarvis Moss, Anderson, Moses, Adams, Woodley and Abiamiri 'run faster' at the combine, so that we get our chance to scoop him up if he drops...

Mayock was saying during the senior bowl that Carriker is one of the best 3-4 DE prospects/base ends to come out in 5 years.

High praise right there...

[RaiderIVlife]

People might scoff at me, but I actually enjoy Mike Mayock's analysis.

[Raider Nation]

People might scoff at me, but I actually enjoy Mike Mayock's analysis.


I'll take Mayock any day over Kiper. What I like about Mayock is you can tell he watches A LOT of film on guys. You always get the impression from Kiper that he's received prepared statements from the players' agents when you listen to his descriptions. Mayock seems very well-rounded overall as a scout.

[007]

Mayock knows his shit, and is always among the most accurate when the draft rolls around.

He definitely has some inside guys who let him know the direction some prospects are heading....I mean, Whitner to Buffalo? No freakin way he drills that.

[Banter]

Mayock was saying during the senior bowl that Carriker is one of the best 3-4 DE prospects/base ends to come out in 5 years.


Makes sense to me. Which is why drafting this guy to play RDE in a 4-3 doesn't make as much sense to me.

[007]

Makes sense to me. Which is why drafting this guy to play RDE in a 4-3 doesn't make as much sense to me.

Hey hey, don't sell the guy short, he can get after the QB and make some big time plays against the pass and the run...

He's more Chris Kelsay/Justin Smith/Jared Allen than he is Tyler Brayton.

He's a player and if we have a chance at stealing him in round 2, it would be excellent.

[Langlier]

aight heres my crack at a "dream draft"

1. Adrian Peterson
2. Zach Miller
3a. Drew Stanton
3b. Doug Free
4. Brian Leonard
5. Baraka Atkins
6. Samson Setele
7. Mkristo Bruce

granted my 5-7 likely wont be there but hey i can dream.

[BigTron]

Mayock knows his shit, and is always among the most accurate when the draft rolls around.

He definitely has some inside guys who let him know the direction some prospects are heading....I mean, Whitner to Buffalo? No freakin way he drills that.

Other than us picking Cromartie #7 overall! Why the hell would we have done that?

[MasterRaider]

I dont know much about the guy although I seen him on a few of your drafts...but he looked pretty impressive at the Senior thing I was watching the other day...where they do a bunch of drills...kids got some hands i'll tell you that much...and hes a good athlete

[Madturk]

I happen to like Mayock as well. He does his research and it doesn't sound like some of the other regurtitated crap that you hear from some of the other so called "draft gurus". I remember him pimping Joe Addai last combine when most of the laymen didn't know much about him. I really enjoyed his work at the combine last season.

[Jack's sore libido]

Other than us picking Cromartie #7 overall! Why the hell would we have done that?

Right now it seems impossible, but at the time you could have argued that Asomugha could move to safety and go with Cromartie at corner.

[BigTron]

Right now it seems impossible, but at the time you could have argued that Asomugha could move to safety and go with Cromartie at corner.

Granted but Cromarite was really raw coming out and no-one had him projected that high. Cro is going to be a good corner one day but with Huff there i just dont see moving Aso in favor of a less polished corner. I also think Mayock is ok but that pre-draft mock had me laughing then and it still does. That pick would of made me throw my television into the bath tub filled of water I would have been standing in. Can you imagine if we had drafted Cromartie last year, yuck. I just remember him sayin Al woudl fall in love with Cromartie's potential, even woody page was suprised.

[Jack's sore libido]

Oh, I definitely would not have wanted Cromartie, given the whole picture. Certainly not without trading down.

But had we started Routt-Asomugha-Schweigert-Washington last year, with Cromartie as the dime back, I think we'd be saying what great potential our secondary has.

Thankfully, we didn't do that, and we can say that our secondary isn't just potential -- it's legit. All thanks to the dramatic improvement made by Asomugha at CB.

[BigTron]

Oh, I definitely would not have wanted Cromartie, given the whole picture. Certainly not without trading down.

But had we started Routt-Asomugha-Schweigert-Washington last year, with Cromartie as the dime back, I think we'd be saying what great potential our secondary has.

Thankfully, we didn't do that, and we can say that our secondary isn't just potential -- it's legit. All thanks to the dramatic improvement made by Asomugha at CB.

Fabs, Huff , Routte and Stu its your turn to have a career season now.

[Ghost To The Post]

With CJ's value soaring I would like to see this scenario unfold:

Trades:
TB jumps up to #2 (Det) to get CJ
Oak trades 1-1 and 4-1 to Washington for 1-6, 2-38 and C. Portis

Free Agents: Zach Piller OG, Jeremy Newberry C, Damon Huard QB

1 Jamal Anderson DE Arkansas
2a Ryan Kalil C USC
2b Joe Staley OT Central Mich.
3 Zach Miller TE ASU
3 (comp) Marcus Thomas DT N/A
5 LeRon McClain FB Alabama
6 Nate Ilaoa RB Hawaii
7 Marquise Cole CB Northwestern

Offense:

QB Damon Huard, Andrew Walter

RB Clinton Portis, Justin Fargas, Nate Ilaoa

FB Zack Crockett, LeRon McClain

WR Randy Moss, Jerry Porter, Ronald Curry,
Doug Gabriel

TE Zach Miller, Copurtney Anderson

LT Chad Slaughter, Joe Staley

LG Kevin Boothe, Jake Grove

C Jeremy Newberry, Ryan Kalil

RG Zach Piller, Corey Hulsey

RT Robert Gallery, Paul McQuistan


Defense:

DE Jamaal Anderson, Tommy Kelly

DT Warren Sapp, Marcus Thomas

DT Terdell Sands, Anttaj Hawthorne

DE Derrick Burgess, Kevin Huntley

OLB Sam Williams, Darnell Bing

MLB Kirk Morrison, Robert Thomas

OLB Thomas Howard, Isaiah Ekejiuba

LCB Nnamdi Asomugha, Chris Carr

RCB Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt

SS Michael Huff, Derrick Gibson

FS Stuart Schweigert, Jarrod Cooper

[BigTron]

With CJ's value soaring I would like to see this scenario unfold:

Trades:
TB jumps up to #2 (Det) to get CJ
Oak trades 1-1 and 4-1 to Washington for 1-6, 2-38 and C. Portis

Free Agents: Zach Piller OG, Jeremy Newberry C, Damon Huard QB

1 Jamal Anderson DE Arkansas
2a Ryan Kalil C USC
2b Joe Staley OT Central Mich.
3 Zach Miller TE ASU
3 (comp) Marcus Thomas DT N/A
5 LeRon McClain FB Alabama
6 Nate Ilaoa RB Hawaii
7 Marquise Cole CB Northwestern

Offense:

QB Damon Huard, Andrew Walter

RB Clinton Portis, Justin Fargas, Nate Ilaoa

FB Zack Crockett, LeRon McClain

WR Randy Moss, Jerry Porter, Ronald Curry,
Doug Gabriel

TE Zach Miller, Copurtney Anderson

LT Chad Slaughter, Joe Staley

LG Kevin Boothe, Jake Grove

C Jeremy Newberry, Ryan Kalil

RG Zach Piller, Corey Hulsey

RT Robert Gallery, Paul McQuistan


Defense:

DE Jamaal Anderson, Tommy Kelly

DT Warren Sapp, Marcus Thomas

DT Terdell Sands, Anttaj Hawthorne

DE Derrick Burgess, Kevin Huntley

OLB Sam Williams, Darnell Bing

MLB Kirk Morrison, Robert Thomas

OLB Thomas Howard, Isaiah Ekejiuba

LCB Nnamdi Asomugha, Chris Carr

RCB Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt

SS Michael Huff, Derrick Gibson

FS Stuart Schweigert, Jarrod Cooper



Wow im with you! I hope we can do something good like this on draft day. Portis would kill the Bronco's twice a year. Shanny would cry.

[hawaiianboy]

With the benefit of hindsight, I wonder how many would still have the same dreams?....


Looking back, there were a lot of Adrian Peterson and Zach Miller fans here: http://www.blackreign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2081

[007]

I drilled the first two, and took Paul Williams over JL Higgins...A wash there.

I'll stick by my 'dream draft' until at least week twelve. :rolleyes:

[Jack's sore libido]

Heh ... look what I found, from Mr. "I Never Wanted JaMarcus Russell" ... posting HIS DREAM DRAFT!

http://www.secsports.com/image_lib/fbc_lsu_jamarcus_russell_164w_102205.jpg

RD1) With his huge size and purely gifted athleticism, Russell is a rare specimen at QB. He's bigger than most of the linebackers who will be blitzing him, and will be bigger than even some of the defensive ends trying to bring him down. Add that to the fact that he has a huge arm with good touch and that he plays faster than his timed speed (a rarity these days among QBs), and Russell is an exceptional prospect


http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/27/277248m.jpg

RD 2) RB - Michael Bush has an exceedingly rare combination of skills at running back: he's big, powerful, quick, and has tremendous vision for the hole. Add that to a nose for the endzone and soft hands out of the backfield, and you've got yourself a hell of a prospect. He has the power to bowl over linebackers, and the speed and acceleration to run by many safeties in the NFL


RD 3) OC Kyle Young ~ Fresno State -- Regarded by many as the top center prospect in the nation. When the Bulldogs have needed to gain the important yards in the rushing game the last few seasons, they've followed big Kyle up the middle and results were usually positive....As a center, you cannot find a better prospect. Young possesses all the physical qualities you look for, along with all the intangibles. He has excellent size, and the strength to dominate players at the point of attack. He also shows the athleticism and agility to get out and block on the move. Young is as durable as they come, having started 39 straight games for the Bulldogs. With his experience and intelligence, he should be ready to start from Day 1 in the NFL. With his size and talent, he also brings the versatility to play guard at the next level, and has actually worked out at tackle in practice during his college days.


My hope is to land Steinbach in FA as well as T.E Eric Johnson.. But Zach Miller in rd 2 certainly gives me a boner (In a non gay way)

[007]

LMFAO.

Gotta love the guy.

At least was able to change his mind quickly.

[NIPS]

Ladies, Ladies.. please...

Only bitches and fags pull hair, and I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt that you dont smoke pole so that kinda narrows it down doesn't it?

That lame attempt at hair pulling by Jack was posted on Jan of 2007

4 months before the draft

If you're gonna pull hair.. at least do a little more research

4-27-2007

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2007/04/26/jrussellx-large.jpg

Anyone else getting concerned about what really is behind the man from LSU?

I mean look at this picture taken yesterday in NY, he looks like a body guard for Michael fuckin Jackson

WTF is up with that ring and them stupid fuckin glasses?

Word is he's sporting a $25,000 watch

What?

Bro, show up in some jeans, and get rid of the bling bling shit

I dunno about you guys, but he's beginning to rub me the wrong way.. I see a potential LONG, LONG holdout, I guarantee this dudes gonna wanna set a record for the highest paid #1 overall ever, in fact I wouldnt be surprised if he wants to be the highest paid QB in the NFL, higher than Peyton Manning

I'm starting to not trust this guys motives

The whole Nike swoosh lapel thing at his conference. This guy to seems to be more concerned about himself than he is about being a football player

I dunno, Elbows getting sore here fellas, and thats usually a sign something bads about to happen


4-27-2007

Theres a hidden motive in JRuss I aint liking, I let the whole Nike swoosh (which by the way was a clear cut mean green motive only) slide thinking he made a bad decision, but everything I'm reading about him in NY has me looking like I caught a whiff of a gnarly fart.

And I'm not the only one, he's the talk of the town, not because of his football skills, but the way he is showing off his stupid fuckin gay jewlry






4-27-07



Ever had that feeling, ya know what I'm talking about, where you just know something aint right ?

I been getting that the last couple days from him.

Everything points to this guy that should raise a flag, and its a damn shame because I love the guys ability to throw and was as much on his pimp wagon as anybody

I just got this feeling





4-27-2007

Yeah, I gotta a problem with that, its deeper than you probaly realize

You gotta question the motive if anything else

You dig where the Nips is going with this?

I'm not questioning the guys ability

What I am questioning is his real intent (motive)

[Jack's sore libido]

The key word is "never," Nips

[BigTron]

I have learned Nip's hates Bling.