2nd Round 2007

[Langlier]

Right now if hes there I think Zach Miller is our man

Brian Leonard is my 3rd round consideration.

with some FA help and these 2 opening holes and catching balls I'll be happy.

One other guy that interests me is Earl Everett of the no helmet tackle fame. I like his motor and think that he'd platoon well on both sides.

[Crow]

If we don't go Peterson in 1, Bush in 2 would be interesting.

Still not sure I wouldn't take Leonard in 2.

Jumping up from 2 to snare LaMarr Woodley wood give me a woodley.

[jatfly]

I like Walt Flanagan in the second round my self.......












Sorry I just had to.......Kevin Smith is just to funny Clerks II was great

[Banter]

I'd love to see us do one of those trade downs were we slide down 10 to 15 picks or so and pick up an extra 3rd. Some of the trades from last year...

#34 for #43 + Jeff Faine
#35 for #53 + #189 + 2007 2nd rounder
#36 for #52 + #75
#37 for Jevon Walker
#37 + #139 for #47 + #93 + #148
#39 for #45 + #116

[Langlier]

I'm not as impressed by the 3rd round talent as i am by the guys available in the beginning of the 2nd. Woodley would be great in my eyes too but we'd have to give up too much to move up for him I'm guessing... unless its a 5th or less I'd rather stay put.

[Crow]

A 4th round pick wouldn't be too much to ask. Porter wouldn't be too much to ask.

Gotta pay to move up. It's a sellers market.


Also, Banter. Pray why would Denver trade us their best offensive player?

[Banter]

I was just listing the trades that happened last year at the top of the 2nd. As for us. Our MO would be trade our 2nd and 3rd to move up and select somebody that probably would have fell to us anyway if we'd have stood pat. Look at us move up 7 spots to nab Greg Olson.

Since there were so many teams that just missed the playoffs last year I think there are going to be a lot of teams trying to move up to grab that player that is the missing piece this year.

[massraider]

Tackle or Center.

I actually think a real, real good WR may be there, and that wouldn't upset me.

[007]

It all hinges on our first round selection (Obviously) but I would love a pass catching versatile TE.

I'd put my second round hopes like this:

1a: Zach Miller
1b: Greg Olsen
2: Mike Bush (Lets not forget this 6-2 250 pounder was a top ten consideration prior to his injury...I think he might sneak into the late first ala McGahee)
3: Josh Beekman
4: Robert Meachem (First round talent, but with CJ/Dwayne Bowe/Shark/Sid Rice/Ginn and Jarrett, this guy will fall undeservedly)

Third round is all Brian Leonard, Doug Free, Johnny Lee Higgins or Kyle Young.

[Madturk]

It's got to be a TE unless we pick JRuss first, then I'd go with Michael Bush. I'm thinking Al may deal away one of our 3rds to move back into the second which would give us three picks in the first two rounds.

[CrossBones]

I heard that Bush is still walking with a limp after his injury and the jury is still out on him. A lot of people were surprised that he is declaring for the NFL as he could raise his stock again by playing college ball next year and showing people he's all the way back. However the departure of Bernard Petrino may have forced Bush's hand and right or wrong he's going pro. Could be a risky proposition that high in the second round. For me, right now, the TE from Arizona State (6'5, 260) would be a nice pick.

[007]

Bush will be 24 by the start of the season, if I remember correctly.

He HAS to come out, and is worth the risk of a second rounder.

I liken him to Steven Jackson without as much pass catching ability.

[007]

It's got to be a TE unless we pick JRuss first, then I'd go with Michael Bush. I'm thinking Al may deal away one of our 3rds to move back into the second which would give us three picks in the first two rounds.

When did we get an extra third?

Its a one in ten shot that C-Wood warrants a third rounder for compensation, and even so, you cant trade a comp pick, so we'd essentially be trading the first pick in round 3...

I think we might trade one of our two WR's for a third though, if thats what you mean...

[massraider]

When did we get an extra third?

Its a one in ten shot that C-Wood warrants a third rounder for compensation, and even so, you cant trade a comp pick, so we'd essentially be trading the first pick in round 3...



Why is it a 1 in 10 shot?

I'm gonna try and see what AdamJT13 says about it over at KFFL, but I seem to remember him saying it had to do with the contract signed, and whether or not WE signed some big ticket item.

[Banter]

That Adam guy usually comes out with his comp pick predictions in March. I just wish we hadn't signed Johnstone then we'd get an extra 6th rounder for the loss of Renaldo Hill.

[massraider]

That Adam guy usually comes out with his comp pick predictions in March. I just wish we hadn't signed Johnstone then we'd get an extra 6th rounder for the loss of Renaldo Hill.

As I recall, we didn't get any big ticket items, so I think there's a good chance we get a pick at the end of the 3rd.

[Banter]

We should get a 3rd. And if the league can't award 32 compensatory picks then we'll get the 1st non-compensatory pick at the end of the 7th round.

[BigTron]

I really think one of our first 3 picks needs to be on the O-Line.

[YodasBeast]

That Adam guy usually comes out with his comp pick predictions in March. I just wish we hadn't signed Johnstone then we'd get an extra 6th rounder for the loss of Renaldo Hill.
I don't think that this will effect the comp pick for Hill, since I'm fairly certain that you have to pick up a player equal or better than the player you lost at that position. Picking up a quality player at other positions shouldn't affect you as far as I know.

[massraider]

I don't think that this will effect the comp pick for Hill, since I'm fairly certain that you have to pick up a player equal or better than the player you lost at that position. Picking up a quality player at other positions shouldn't affect you as far as I know.

Position has nothing to do with it. At least according to AdamJT13, KFFL's comp pick genius. Quote:

As the NFL explains, compensatory picks are awarded to teams that lose more or better compensatory free agents than they acquire. The number of picks a team can receive equals the net loss of compensatory free agents, up to a maximum of four. Compensatory free agents are determined by a secret formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. Not every free agent lost or signed is covered by the formula.

Although the formula has never been revealed, by studying the compensatory picks that have been awarded since they began in 1993, I’ve determined that the primary factor in the value of the picks awarded is the average annual value of the contract the player signed with his new team, with small adjustments for playing time and postseason honors. A simple method of determining for which qualifying free agents a team will be compensated is this -- for every player signed, cancel out a lost player of similar value. For example, if a team signs one qualifying player for $2 million per season and loses two qualifying players, one who got $1.8 million per season and one who got $4 million per season, the team will be compensated for the $4 million player.


If you do a 'compensatory' search in the KFFL draft forum, you can find the entire post.

[massraider]

That Gonzales WR from OSU declared, I like his game a lot.

[007]

Why is it a 1 in 10 shot?

I'm gonna try and see what AdamJT13 says about it over at KFFL, but I seem to remember him saying it had to do with the contract signed, and whether or not WE signed some big ticket item.

In the last five years, barely any comp picks have been in the third round, so I was simply saying its unlikely...

[hawaiianboy]

Zach Miller would be awesome...

I would also take a look at some of those RT and DT prospects currently carrying a first round grade that may drop... I agree with Bones in that I could see Michael Bush dropping by the time draft day rolls around... Darius Walker declaring probably drops him down a notch...

[Madturk]

When did we get an extra third?

Its a one in ten shot that C-Wood warrants a third rounder for compensation, and even so, you cant trade a comp pick, so we'd essentially be trading the first pick in round 3...

I think we might trade one of our two WR's for a third though, if thats what you mean...

Wasn't aware you couldn't trade the comp pick. If my memeory serves me correctly, didn't the Donks get a third a few years back when they went crazy with the db picks? If there's someway to screw us, I'm sure the NFL will find a loophole somewhere.

[massraider]

Yep, can't trade the comp picks. Gotta use them.

With the deal Woodson signed, 40 mill I thought, I'm pretty optimistic we'll get a pick at the end of the third.

[007]

Yep, can't trade the comp picks. Gotta use them.

With the deal Woodson signed, 40 mill I thought, I'm pretty optimistic we'll get a pick at the end of the third.

That would be awesome.

Add a ten year starter like Brian Leonard or Doug Free, baby!

[massraider]

That would be awesome.

Add a ten year starter like Brian Leonard or Doug Free, baby!

I've read that this is a deeper draft than last year, so the prospect of us having back to back picks at the end of the 3rd/beginning of the 4th is exciting.

Plus, I admit that I am delighted that if we get a pick, we HAVE to use it. No trading it and next year's 2nd for Sam Williams' little brother or some such shit.

[007]

Zach Miller would be awesome...

I would also take a look at some of those RT and DT prospects currently carrying a first round grade that may drop... I agree with Bones in that I could see Michael Bush dropping by the time draft day rolls around... Darius Walker declaring probably drops him down a notch...

Darius Walker has a ton of gameplay holes, not injury concerns like Mike Bush. He's pretty small and lacks great speed or strength. Aside from his hands catching the ball, I honestly don't like him as a runningback.

He's a 3-4th rounder at best in this draft.

That's JMO.

[Madturk]

I think we should spend some of the late first day and second day picks on some OL. Free would be one of my choices although I think he might go sooner. There's a couple of small school prospects that are fuggin huge, Elliot Vallejo a local kid from UC Davis and Jason Capezzi from Indiana of Penn another behemoth.

[Jack's sore libido]

My wish list:

If we take Adrian Peterson
1) Greg Olsen
2) Adam Carriker
3) Sydney Rice
4) Jake Long

If we take JaMarcus Russell or, God forbid, Brady Quinn
1) Michael Bush
2) Greg Olsen
3) Sydney Rice
4) Brian Leonard
5) Jake Long

If we take Calvin Johnson
1) Michael Bush
2) Adam Carriker
3) Brian Leonard
4) Jake Long

Note that if we take Calvin Johnson, I'm not putting any TEs on my list because I'm expecting us to go 3- and 4-wide every damned play with some variation of Moss, Porter, Curry, Gabriel and CJ.

[BigTron]

Jake Long is staying in school.

[jatfly]

Does any think that Jeff Samardzija will be there in the second? I would love to get this guy After Selecting a J. Russ in the first.......

[Madturk]

I think Samardzija has to committ to football before someone spends a high first day pick to him. He's signed a minor league contract to play for the Cubs and it's my understanding that he wants to do both.

[jatfly]

Can someone or HB, Post the Top TE's like HB posted the WR and Qb's?
I know nothing about the TE coming out this year?

[Langlier]

My wish list:

If we take Adrian Peterson
1) Greg Olsen
2) Adam Carriker
3) Sydney Rice
4) Jake Long

If we take JaMarcus Russell or, God forbid, Brady Quinn
1) Michael Bush
2) Greg Olsen
3) Sydney Rice
4) Brian Leonard
5) Jake Long

If we take Calvin Johnson
1) Michael Bush
2) Adam Carriker
3) Brian Leonard
4) Jake Long

Note that if we take Calvin Johnson, I'm not putting any TEs on my list because I'm expecting us to go 3- and 4-wide every damned play with some variation of Moss, Porter, Curry, Gabriel and CJ.

just so you know jack. Long has said hes going back to Mich.

[massraider]

Adrina Peterson jihadists:

If he decides to stay in school, where do you stand? Russell? Quinn? Trade down?

Can't see him staying, but he hasn't decided yet, which is interesting.

[007]

All of the above.

I could handle Quinn/CJ or Russell.

Or a trade down for Branch and some picks.

Or a trade down for Marshawn Lynch.

We need talent.

[Jack's sore libido]

OK, scratch Long from my lists.

[Madturk]

If we don't go for a QB, then I would love to trade down and snag ML and possibly one of the DT's, either Branch or Okoye, most likely Okoye.

[Langlier]

OK my favorite Mock right now

1. Adrian Peterson RB
2. Zach Miller TE
3. Earl Everett LB
3b. Brian Leonard FB
4. Kevin Boss TE
5. Mkristo Bruce DE
6. Louis Leonard DT
7. Chris Leak QB

[CrossBones]

Lang...not a single OLman? :eek:

[jatfly]

Stupid question but who is the fastest player in the top 100 players coming out????

[BigTron]

Dare i say it, Tedd Ginn JR!

[RaiderIVlife]

The possible scenario's for draft pick trades are limitless so discussing them really becomes moot IMO.

I just focus on they guy we pick 1st, the guy we pick 2nd, etc. at the time that we actually make the pick.

I don't believe we'll trade the first pick anyway.

1st pick) Petersen, Russell, or Johnson - I see no other player on the board that Al Davis would regard as a potential superstar. It's one of those 3.

2nd pick) Although I understand the "Zach Miller" crowd, c'mon, shake yourself. It ain't happenin'. For two reasons. First, Al is going to draft either a DL or OL with his second player. Al certainly knows he's 1-2 defensive lineman away from having a dominant unit. He could easily look to finish the job there. If not that, it will be an offensive line. He knows this unit blows chunks and he will want to bolster the line in order for his new toy (Petersen, Russell or Johnson) more room to make big plays.

Besides, Al seems convinced that he's going to find the right mix in regard to at least one of his "TE projects". Adkisson, Williams & Madsen. He still envisions Shannon Sharpe with one of these dudes.

3rd pick) Again, either OL or DL. Picks two & three could go either way. It will just be based on talent at the time of pick. After Al makes his big splash with the first player, I expect our draft to be rooted along both lines the rest of way.

I think Al still believes in Moss, Porter, Curry, his number #1 draft pick and his TE projects. In his mind, the skill players are there. It's the line, coaching (he did fire Shell afterall) and possibly QB (I think Al could very well buck the trend & draft Russell).

[007]

I hate it when guys disregard logical draft scenarios and say their way is the 'only way Al will go'

If Al can draft a kicker and 5 db's in round one, he can draft someone we might not expect.

Al loves tight end athletes as much as d-lineman, so Miller and Olsen are legit possibilities.

[RaiderIVlife]

I hate it when guys disregard logical draft scenarios and say their way is the 'only way Al will go'

If Al can draft a kicker and 5 db's in round one, he can draft someone we might not expect.

Al loves tight end athletes as much as d-lineman, so Miller and Olsen are legit possibilities.

Adkisson, Madsen & Williams. Al believes he has next Shannon Sharpe waiting to blossum.

I'd be shocked if drafted a TE with this 2nd or 3rd selection.

[007]

Adkisson, Madsen & Williams. Al believes he has next Shannon Sharpe waiting to blossum.

I'd be shocked if drafted a TE with this 2nd or 3rd selection.

Not me.

Ricky Dudley, Doug Jolley, Teyo Johnson in rounds 1 and 2 and Madsen, Anderson, and Fulcher in the late rounds...

If anything, Davis has shown he's willing to pull the trigger on a TE if he sees the attributes he likes.

I would actually be more suprised if we didnt pull the trigger on a TE...It definitely is one of our biggest needs.

[gst8]

Not me.

Ricky Dudley, Doug Jolley, Teyo Johnson in rounds 1 and 2 and Madsen, Anderson, and Fulcher in the late rounds...

If anything, Davis has shown he's willing to pull the trigger on a TE if he sees the attributes he likes.

I would actually be more suprised if we didnt pull the trigger on a TE...It definitely is one of our biggest needs.

Agreed.

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on us drafting a TE on the first day. I prefer the crushing blocker type but we'll probably end up with another WR tweener.

[CrossBones]

Also don't forget Al likes to keep paced in the division (Gonzo and Gates)...he's been trying.

But, frankly...I like the Stevens idea better. He's experienced and has a ton of talent. If we can get through the "kicking Brayton in the nuts" incident Stevens could turn into a monster once he puts on that mystical Silver & Black uni. http://wildpitchforums.com/images/smilies/right_on.gif

[gst8]

Also don't forget Al likes to keep paced in the division (Gonzo and Gates)...he's been trying.

But, frankly...I like the Stevens idea better. He's experienced and has a ton of talent. If we can get through the "kicking Brayton in the nuts" incident Stevens could turn into a monster once he puts on that mystical Silver & Black uni. http://wildpitchforums.com/images/smilies/right_on.gif

I really don't know much about Stevens, but I'm all for it if he can hold his own as a blocker. Problem is... it isn't just Brayton that had a problem with him. Both Sapp and Stu seemed to detest him at a level above and beyond "heated rivals".

Our defense would lynch the offense if Stevens was signed and they still sucked. :eek:

[CrossBones]

Your know you're probably right. Sapp was really pissed at him that night in Seattle. Probably wouldn't work.

But if that kid ever gets his head on straight and concentrates on football instead of being an asshole he's gonna be hell. That kid can block like a MFer and he's very difficult to cover.

Anyway...it was just a thought.

[gst8]

Your know you're probably right. Sapp was really pissed at him that night in Seattle. Probably wouldn't work.

But if that kid ever gets his head on straight and concentrates on football instead of being an asshole he's gonna be hell. That kid can block like a MFer and he's very difficult to cover.

Anyway...it was just a thought.

I'd still probably sign him if the terms were favorable. Sapp and the boys have to understand that putting up with his mouth is more favorable than losing. It's not like he's T.O. or anything. Frankly, it seems like a pretty economical way to upgrade our blocking without having to use a draft pick. More rooks just isn't going to cut it this year.

[Langlier]

Lang...not a single OLman? :eek:

not in the draft... I want our Linemen to be FAs/trades.

Steinbach, Davis... Bring anyone with a track history in the NFL. No more projects.

[jatfly]

Dare i say it, Tedd Ginn JR!
Well maybe we won't have the chance to Draft him?
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1168680711185130.xml&coll=2

[CrossBones]

I don't get this dance these top rated prospects are giving the NFL. Of course Ginn is going to declare. Did you see the dollar signs reflecting in his eyes as he leaned on his crutches during the National Championship game the other night?

He's going to the NFL -- you can count on it.

[Madturk]

not in the draft... I want our Linemen to be FAs/trades.

Steinbach, Davis... Bring anyone with a track history in the NFL. No more projects.

Unfortunately with the limted amount of quality FA OL that will be available we may have no choice. Most likely stick with the status quo :( and hope we can get a starter from a draft pick. If Langston Walker :confused: is going to be a commodity this offseason, Steinbach and Leonard Davis are going to get paid.

[CrossBones]

In fact a guy like Steinbach is probably going to try and BREAK the bank with Hutchinson type money. Not sure Al is gonna be playing that game.

[Madturk]

I wonder what Philly would want for Runyan? What's Joe Wong doing these days?

[massraider]

In fact a guy like Steinbach is probably going to try and BREAK the bank with Hutchinson type money. Not sure Al is gonna be playing that game.

We have a decent amount of cap room, but so do a lot of other teams.

This offseason is going to be frustrating for a lot of fans, as I think a lot of these teams will refuse to overpay for lesser talent.

If we don't make an immediate move for guys we want, and get them signed, which Al has done in the past, I think we may get outbid by better teams.

[Langlier]

Steinbach - not lesser talent.

Davis will be a higher paid guy but its going to depend if he wants LT money or RG money.

[BigTron]

To Us... Steinbach is worth anything we can afford.

[massraider]

Steinbach - not lesser talent.



That's true, but most of the rest of the FA pool is.

I imagine about 8 teams, at least, will be serious about signing him.

I'd be surprised if he even flies out to Oaktown.

[massraider]

To revisit this pick again, which is infintely more interesting to me, at least until trade rumors for #1 start up, the guy I'm really zeroing in on is Joe Staley, the CMU tackle that runs 4.7 40. Held his own at the Senior Bowl.

But the guy I'm worried about?

Super athlete, had a down senior year, fills a need?

Quentin Moses, the DE. Everyone seems to be looking at him as a 3-4 LB, so maybe he's off the radar, but fits the Raider profile. If Al likes him as a pass rush end, i could see this.

[BigTron]

yeah he is a first round talent. He is kinda small though. He would do great in a 3-4.

[Madturk]

To revisit this pick again, which is infintely more interesting to me, at least until trade rumors for #1 start up, the guy I'm really zeroing in on is Joe Staley, the CMU tackle that runs 4.7 40. Held his own at the Senior Bowl.



Another guy I like in the second is Doug Free. While not as fast as Staley he's really athletic for a guy 6' 9". I think he'd be a nice fit if we decide to go zone blocking.

[Langlier]

Another guy I like in the second is Doug Free. While not as fast as Staley he's really athletic for a guy 6' 9". I think he'd be a nice fit if we decide to go zone blocking.

i think free is a 2nd round talent that could fall to our 3rd. I like Staley a hair over him and think Staley is that 1st-2nd round talent.

[BigTron]

Lineman are really hard to guage for me. I like Blaylock alot from watching a couple of texas games. He could slip to us in round 2. Our round two pick is going ot be really interesting.