Who should we pick? State your case.

[RaiderIVlife]

The foremost question on our minds, even more so than who should be our coach in 2007, is who (or is that whom?) should the Raiders draft with the #1 selection?

As of January 2nd, 2007, I hope the Raiders end up with:

WR - Calvin Johnson

The irony here is that I've been begging the Raiders to draft a RB #1, ideally Marshawn Lynch. However, I think the goal of any draft, regardless of need, and we have many, is to nab the best football player at the point in which he is selected. Simple as that.

The Raiders draft #1, therefore and assuming we don't trade the pick, we should draft the best football player.

I'll admit up front that I've watched next to no college football this year and can only base this on the so-called "experts", pundits, what I've read and of course, what I've heard from ya'll.

Of all the players on the board, Johnson seems to have the least amont of question marks, and the best physical attributes.

I realize you "can't build a team around a WR", but it's hard to argue that 15 TD's and 1500 yards per year won't contribute strongly to a winning franchise.

With Moss/Porter being shown the door (and rightfully so), this guy is the perfect & best choice to make. We don't have a guy that can not only run & get open, but "go up and get the fucking ball" in the way Johnson apparently can. His upside, particularly in the offense the Raiders are trying to run, could be off the charts.

Besides, as much as I like Ronald Curry, the concern about his history of major injury will always be valid. Who is beyond that? Jonnie Morant?The more I see him play, the more I see why he doesn't play. Carlos Francis? Let's see him survive a preseason first. Buchanon? Whitted? C'mon. Buchanon might have some upside as a developmental long-term contributor, but it's not as though we should base our plans on him.

John Madsen? The Raiders seem intent on turning him into the next Shannon Sharpe. Can't blame Al for trying I suppose. Give this team a better line and everyone looks better anyway. Imagine a 3rd down set with Calvin Johson, Ronald Curry and John Madsen at TE?

I'd hate to pass on the potential Hall of Fame WR just to draft another play that has more question marks (IMO).

The Raiders have needs at basically every position on offense, why not draft the best one?

[007]

People know where I stand as of right now.

I am leaning 70 percent towards Brady Quinn;
25 percent trade down and aquire more picks;
5 percent drafting Calvin Johnson 1st overall.

My reasoning:

I don't think it's as easy as picking the best player available, as silly as it sounds...

I look at Calvin Johnson and think: In a good game he might see the ball 6-8 times...Is that really enough to warrant the first pick in the draft?

If he becomes the elite wide receiver he is supposed to be, will 1500 yards, 100 catches and 10 TD's really make the difference in a playoff run? I dunno.

Is our WR position in that dire a need? I assume one of Porter or Moss will still be here, Curry will be a very solid number two and Gabriel, Morant and Whitted will round out an average WR group. Good enough to win, IMO.

If we invest in Brady Quinn, he will be responsible for EVERY play we run as an offense. He'll call the audibles, read the defenses, lead the team, and make the plays with his arm and mobility.

He's got all th attributes you look for in a QB: Size, arm strength, mobility, intangibles, played in a Pro-ready offense, quick release, A face we could build a fan base around...

Let's not forget that everybody's favorite second rounder, Troy Smith is barely 5-11, has been suspended in University twice, and has only done his thing for two years, whereas Brady Quinn has started since week three of his freshman year...

At this point, I am sick of trotting out second rate options at the most important position on the field, and am as far from sold on Andrew Walter as it gets. Regardless of our O-line, he didnt make any plays, and he was among the worst starting QB's statistically in 10 years... which is why I am heavily leaning towards risking the first overall pick on a top notch QB prospect.

Sure all players have risk, and a QB has even more (Due to the position, the 'hype factor' and the huge responsibility) but I think at this point we are 2-3 years away from the playoffs, so taking the potential Golden boy might turn this franchise around.

The final reason is that I think our running back position is in better shape than our QB or WR positions...Lamont Jordan is one year removed from 1000 yards in 14 games, and being seventh in the league in yards from scrimmage. Justin Fargas averaged 4+ YPC and finally looked like a solid backup moving forward.

If we get them both healthy and confident, and have a QB worth a damn, we can win our share in the coming years.

[RaiderIVlife]

007 - Ironically, I think your arguement is strong, very strong. Shit, if not Calvin Johnson, I'm leaning towards Quinn myself. I've moved pretty far away from my call for a RB over the past week.

I also believe a FA signing of say Stienbach & Runyan (possible IMHO) to go with a 2nd year of development from Booth & McQuistan could really bolster this line pretty quickly.

Shit, I thought Gallery even looked decent in the JET game, save for one play where a blitzing Safety was untouched for sack and even in that play, I'm not sure if that was a protection recognition thing on Brooks or not? Point is, he still might become a decent player, Slaughter looks decent and the hell knows who we might draft to add to the mix. More than anything else, staying with the current system (in it's basic core philosophy) will pay divends next year as well. WE CAN'T change yet again. Basiclally O-line, as bad as it is, should be easier to upgrade than we think. I'll take adequate at this point and are still young BTW.

Anyway, I want to debate Quinn some more, but I'll let a few more opinions drop in just to add to the arguement.

Here's to good debate.....

[BigTron]

Quinn, Ap or CJ. If we select anybody else without trading down. I will shit my pants.

[BigTron]

Quinn is what the peanut gallery wants. Maybe we pick him to shut up the critics, Or Al picks the athletic freak CJ. Or maybe he decides to pick a LJ, LT type and goes with the highly touted All Day Peterson. I mean the kid has a monster NicKname in college! I just hope we dont fuck this up and take Gaines Adams #1 overall or Branch, without trading down!

[BigTron]

People know where I stand as of right now.

I am leaning 70 percent towards Brady Quinn;
25 percent trade down and aquire more picks;
5 percent drafting Calvin Johnson 1st overall.

My reasoning:

I don't think it's as easy as picking the best player available, as silly as it sounds...

I look at Calvin Johnson and think: In a good game he might see the ball 6-8 times...Is that really enough to warrant the first pick in the draft?

If he becomes the elite wide receiver he is supposed to be, will 1500 yards, 100 catches and 10 TD's really make the difference in a playoff run? I dunno.

Is our WR position in that dire a need? I assume one of Porter or Moss will still be here, Curry will be a very solid number two and Gabriel, Morant and Whitted will round out an average WR group. Good enough to win, IMO.

If we invest in Brady Quinn, he will be responsible for EVERY play we run as an offense. He'll call the audibles, read the defenses, lead the team, and make the plays with his arm and mobility.

He's got all th attributes you look for in a QB: Size, arm strength, mobility, intangibles, played in a Pro-ready offense, quick release, A face we could build a fan base around...

Let's not forget that everybody's favorite second rounder, Troy Smith is barely 5-11, has been suspended in University twice, and has only done his thing for two years, whereas Brady Quinn has started since week three of his freshman year...

At this point, I am sick of trotting out second rate options at the most important position on the field, and am as far from sold on Andrew Walter as it gets. Regardless of our O-line, he didnt make any plays, and he was among the worst starting QB's statistically in 10 years... which is why I am heavily leaning towards risking the first overall pick on a top notch QB prospect.

Sure all players have risk, and a QB has even more (Due to the position, the 'hype factor' and the huge responsibility) but I think at this point we are 2-3 years away from the playoffs, so taking the potential Golden boy might turn this franchise around.

The final reason is that I think our running back position is in better shape than our QB or WR positions...Lamont Jordan is one year removed from 1000 yards in 14 games, and being seventh in the league in yards from scrimmage. Justin Fargas averaged 4+ YPC and finally looked like a solid backup moving forward.

If we get them both healthy and confident, and have a QB worth a damn, we can win our share in the coming years.

He almost had 200 yards and 2 TD's in a loss this week, that makes your 6-8 touches seem just fine. I dont think he is the savior of this offense, but is Brady Quinn gonna pull a Vince Young/Vick when we are giving up our 70+ sacks? Talk about Moss and Porter, but they shouldnt be part of our thinking b/c they both want out. Gabriel and Curry might also be gone. None of us want that, but we didnt when Doug got traded either. Curry is due a payday and Al is on record dissing DG. Would A.Walter be as good as Phil Rivers if he were in San Diego? Maybe not, but just food for thought. I think we can get a fine QB in round two and a safer weapon on O with AP or CJ in round one. I am also in favor of trading down, but im not expecting it at all. BQ= Gamble Raiders dont need a gamble, we need a safe bet. CJ or AP are both less of a gamble IMO. But hey Gallery was a safe pick so who really knows?

[BigTron]

Since i compared Rivers and AW(a stretch) then it should be said Rivers hadnt even played yet when he was in his second year. AW was in charge of an O that couldnt move anything if they had a U-Haul an forklift. So im not completly giving up on a guy who had less time to perform than white rapper at the Apollo. Sorry for the 8 posts in a row. Drinking and posting dont mix. Its like drunk dialing...

[donovan]

People know where I stand as of right now.

I am leaning 70 percent towards Brady Quinn;
25 percent trade down and aquire more picks;
5 percent drafting Calvin Johnson 1st overall.

My reasoning:

I don't think it's as easy as picking the best player available, as silly as it sounds...

I look at Calvin Johnson and think: In a good game he might see the ball 6-8 times...Is that really enough to warrant the first pick in the draft?

If he becomes the elite wide receiver he is supposed to be, will 1500 yards, 100 catches and 10 TD's really make the difference in a playoff run? I dunno.

Is our WR position in that dire a need? I assume one of Porter or Moss will still be here, Curry will be a very solid number two and Gabriel, Morant and Whitted will round out an average WR group. Good enough to win, IMO.

If we invest in Brady Quinn, he will be responsible for EVERY play we run as an offense. He'll call the audibles, read the defenses, lead the team, and make the plays with his arm and mobility.

He's got all th attributes you look for in a QB: Size, arm strength, mobility, intangibles, played in a Pro-ready offense, quick release, A face we could build a fan base around...

Let's not forget that everybody's favorite second rounder, Troy Smith is barely 5-11, has been suspended in University twice, and has only done his thing for two years, whereas Brady Quinn has started since week three of his freshman year...

At this point, I am sick of trotting out second rate options at the most important position on the field, and am as far from sold on Andrew Walter as it gets. Regardless of our O-line, he didnt make any plays, and he was among the worst starting QB's statistically in 10 years... which is why I am heavily leaning towards risking the first overall pick on a top notch QB prospect.

Sure all players have risk, and a QB has even more (Due to the position, the 'hype factor' and the huge responsibility) but I think at this point we are 2-3 years away from the playoffs, so taking the potential Golden boy might turn this franchise around.

The final reason is that I think our running back position is in better shape than our QB or WR positions...Lamont Jordan is one year removed from 1000 yards in 14 games, and being seventh in the league in yards from scrimmage. Justin Fargas averaged 4+ YPC and finally looked like a solid backup moving forward.

If we get them both healthy and confident, and have a QB worth a damn, we can win our share in the coming years.

Beautiful.

Let's stop being pussies.

[jatfly]

The final reason is that I think our running back position is in better shape than our QB or WR positions...Lamont Jordan is one year removed from 1000 yards in 14 games, and being seventh in the league in yards from scrimmage. Justin Fargas averaged 4+ YPC and finally looked like a solid backup moving forward.
Wow you are the first to agree with me on the RB spot is ok, Jordon would be fine and Fargas seems to be a decent Back up.
I haven't decided yet on thr first pick, so I like C. Johnson and the Quinn pick makes sence but I also wouldn't mind a RB later. I like the WR position for us if we get rid of Moss and Porter.

[gst8]

Only a QB makes sense with the first overall pick. To much risk to gamble on on a player whose upside will never have the impact of a great QB. Trading down is the only way I'd consider drafting someone else.

[Seraph24]

I say RB-Adrian Peterson, and have reiterated my stance as to why too much to do it again.

[BigTron]

I am starting to lean towards building O-LIne and weapons first. Then add a QB as the cherry on top.
LT never looked bad while Brees struggled early. He has been the constant while Brees developed and was moved, and still is while Rivers learns.He carried the team when there were no WR's, no dominate QB play and a few bad lines. Now they are all fixed and SD is looking at the superbowl after being a joke just a few years ago. AP or CJ in 07!

[Freakshow]

My vote is to trade down but if we stay put at #1I'll take Adrien Peterson hands down. Nothing beats a great running game imo. Jordan is coming off ligament damage and won't be right for at least 16 months, plus he was only marginal anyway. Fargas is a nice backup.

I heard on the radio last night that nobody should be suprised to see the first two picks go Brady Quinn followed by JaMarcus Russell. Apparently Russell's stock is soaring, but tonight's game and the combine will tell more. I can see Al going for the Calvin Johnson or the big, strong-armed, mobile qb from LSU.

[Deadbolt]

I won't "make a case," but I LOVE the well-documented fact that Peterson gets better from the 3rd quarter on. Plus he has played all the top competition in his 3 (2, really) years.

[hawaiianboy]

It's hard with me to bandwagon one player right now because who the head coach and offensive staff ends up being will be a huge variable IMO...

I do think the "can't miss/can succeed no matter who drafts him" players in the draft are Adrian Peterson and Alan Branch(providing he declares)...

DT's that can play the run with the kind of size, wingspan and motor that Alan Branch posseses are plug and play from day one... Branch as it stands not only is a top 10 draft pick but also a guy with ascending ability that could easily move up into the top 3 of the draft after workouts IMO... As much as I loved Haloti Ngata last year, there's no question in my mind that Branch is the superior prospect... Branch won't need a Ray Lewis behind him proding him to play to his talent ceiling...

Adrian Peterson

Adrian Peterson IMO, is the impact player in the draft... I really like that he is decisive in both seeing and hitting the seam... Even when he only gains two yards, he most often than not reads the blocks correctly and is aggressive in getting his shoulders turned and hitting the LOS... The blocking scheme Denver uses is so tailor made to AD that I have nightmares about them trading up to get him should we take someone else... That stretch play to the sealing LT that Oklahoma utilizes him in could become the same kind of signature go to play that it was for Priest Holmes in KC...

If Art is retained I think you almost have to go with Peterson... It would give us the legitimate home run threat that he could feed the ball to 25 times a game, and in essence take the ball out of the QB hands for the most part while setting up play action... It's a theory that has served San Diego well... While there is merit that a healthy Lamont Jordan paired with Fargas is servicable, the difference between the way a defense approaches playing an elite back vs an adequate RB is huge... You'll never see a defense dedicate an extra player in the box to a Lamont Jordan... Peterson, IMO, is a back coordinators have to account and game plan for... At the same time, AD has the kind of breakaway speed that makes one think twice about taking a LB out from the second level with run blitzes...

If Art is indeed retained, his apparent choice of system is so QB unfriendly that I think going the grizzled vet QB/stud RB route is the smart play... At this time, matching a QB with a high football IQ like a David Carr with Peterson would be my choice... Carr is not the kind of QB that can carry a team on his shoulders, but provide him with a 25 carry a game rainmaker at RB, mix in those bootlegs and he can play to just outside the top tier of QB's IMO...


Brady Quinn

I guess I'm proof that you can like AD and not hate on Brady... I actually like the kid... but had he come out last year he would have been probably the concencus third rated QB in the draft... I personally like Leinart better... but should we bring in a coach with a track record of developing QB's, I'd be on board with grabbing Brady... Matching Brady with a coach with QB driven offenses like the ones utilized by a Weis or Petrino would be a good start... Those systems revolve on a QB making smart, quick decisions with the ball... I'm just not on board with matching another young QB with Art's apparent choice of offensive system... The QB is just asked to hold the ball too long... That's daunting enough for a vet, more so with a kid... I find Quinn similar to Eli Manning in that he looks great when there's a rthym to the passing game, and a little erratic when pressure takes that 1-2-throw, 1-2-throw rhythym away...

The one thing that's working in favor of the people that want to draft Quinn is all three first round picks last year showed well... but then again Leinart had tons of big game experience, and Cutler and Young have Mike Heimerdinger and Norm Chow coaching them up... if we do invest a #1 on Quinn, it's imperative we put some money into a top level QB coach...


Calvin Johnson

I think CJ is a stud, but the hedge with WR's is so much of their success is two pronged... More often than not, a WR needs a QB and a good system to maximize his effectiveness... Randy Moss was an exception to the rule, but for all of his attributes, CJ doesn't possess the kind of top end speed the young Moss had that allowed him to outrun deep help... With the right coaching hire and the right pickups in free agency, the CJ pick would make sense,. much the way the Rams taking Tory Holt after adding Martz and Marshall Faulk in the same offseason did... He could be a guy that works the hashes like the pre-bitch TO did...



Trading down

Sounds great... ain't likely to happen... Not necessarily because Al is adverse to it, but because being at the top of the draft actually makes it harder to do IMO... Not only will some team have to fall in love with a guy that we'd be likely to take ourselves, but that team would have to love the guy enough to give up a bushel of top of the round picks AND be willing to pay the frieght that goes with a top 3 pick... The Giants did it to get Crow's homeboy Eli Manning and appear to be currently holding their ankles while AJ Smith yells Who's Your Daddy?... That in effect may make other teams gunshy since misses like that tend to cost GM's their job...


So as it stands, my current vote goes to Adrian Peterson... I'm not a numbers guy so I can't give a statistical argument based on past position failures, but my eyes tell me he's the best player of the big three... That may not be the high brow method but it's all I got... He'd give us a Shaun Alexander workhorse that we could run the offense through a a legitimate threat to the edge of the defense... A guy that makes the QB's job easier simply because teams have to account for him by putting an extra man in the box... Give me Peterson in RD1 and Zach Miller in RD2... (and for the record, I'd much rather take Kevin Kolb in the 3rd or 4th than take Troy Smith in the second)...

Hell as unoptimistic as I am right now, I'd be a tad more jolley if we 1)Got an innovative coaching staff in to run the offense and utilize what talent we do have on the roster and 2)ditched the lead step and went back to a drop step protection scheme and added a couple of free agents to the O-line... Gallery is a slide and mirror protector, always has been, always will be... Let's go back to a pass pro scheme that plays to his strengths and build around that...

We do that, pound the rock with the stud back Peterson 25 times a game and have Moss (or Gabriel) run the safeties off deep while guys like Curry, Zach Miller, Madsen and Porter work the middle of the field in YAC situations, and I might be thinking playoffs...


Quinn is tempting because it would be nice to have an elite QB, but mid tier guys like Matt Hassleback and Trent Green also have won in the league when put in a situation where the offense funnels through an elite RB...I don't think it implausable that an Andrew Walter (or David Carr) could do the same if put in similar circumstance... but like I've said before, it's ultimately on the coaches to put the players in the best position to productively succeed...

HB's choices in order: 1) Peterson 2) Quinn 3) Branch 4) CJ

[Abelardo]

Peterson seems to be a safer bet than Brady Quinn. But the potential from a QB will always be greater than that of a RB, when you can match them some way.

Almost any QB pick is a gamble, and you can lose all your money in a breath. With a RB the rate of failure going to the NFL appears to be smaller. I agree with HBoy in the case Art Shell stays at home: Peterson is the best adequate player under current unchanged circumstances. Art would waste Quinn in a moment, just doesn't seem able to do complex things like developing a QB, and we've seen it.

Buty if we bring a strategy specialist-offensive minded-Imagination exceeded-instilling capability, then we must go for Quinn and find out if he's "The next Messiah" as some fans used that term previously. Who knows what the result can be? Nobody. But let's not be afraid. This sport is almost like war, and you cannot be there taking always the safer choices. Wanna be a hero? You won't get it keeping your self hidden behind cautious reasoning.

In the long term it really doesn't mean much, cos we've wasted picks like hell. As Bones always states correctly, the draft is the mother of all crap shoots, and you know a 100% insurance doesn't exist. So it's always a bet, and you have to pay the guy a lot of money just to show up at camp, while in the end, can be a bust.

We've drafted better lately, but only because weve had tons of picks. We got two first and second rounders from Tampon bay for the rights oft that bitch Gruden. Gallery was a numer two overall, and Huff is a top ten pick. Yeah, we got some good stuff, but we lost a lot in the process.

For some reason other teams seem to pick better, and this only subjective, cos again, the draft its the fuckin mother of all crap shoots. But we see Ed Reeds, Shaun Alexander and many others drafted after our turn. Of course there are a lot of other stupid teams letting people go by, but sharing the same disgrace its the consolation of fools.

Excellence is hard to achieve, but we had it. We just want that back. Had it for decades, then we became a misserable football team, except for the Gruden age, and we know it was a WCO. He was an offensive pussy, but the damn son of a bitch won a lot of games for us and made us respectable.

We should get back to something like that.

[Limee]

If the draft was today then I would want us to pick Peterson. We need a strong running game to have success in our division.

[Ghost To The Post]

As has been mentioned in previous posts, the pick will depend upon the coaching staff.

1) Shell out for Petrino

1.1 - Brian Brohm QB Louisville - In my opinion the best QB and offensive player available. May declare if Petrino goes to the NFL.

2.33 - Zach Miller TE ASU / Matt Spaeth TE Minnesota / Greg Olsen TE Miami


2) Offensive-minded, modern-era head coach with sight lines unencumbered by his own snuggly collared sphincter.

1.1 - Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma - After Brohm, I think he is the best impact offensive player in the draft.

2.33 - Zach Miller TE ASU / Matt Spaeth TE Minnesota / Greg Olsen TE Miami

3) My personal hope

Trade down with Cleveland 1.1 and Barry Sims for 1.3, 2.36 and next years #2

1.3 Allen Branch DT Michigan - Not only will he and Sands keep Morrison clean, he can collapse a pocket in no time. The latter will be important when facing Rivers and Cutler a couple of times a year.

2.33 - Zach Miller TE ASU / Matt Spaeth TE Minnesota / Greg Olsen TE Miami / Scott Chandler TE Iowa

2.36 - Michael Bush RB Louisville - If he comes out, he is the kind of back that can wear teams down.

[CrossBones]

GTP -- what do you think about Zach Miller? You like the guy?. :p

[Ghost To The Post]

Absolutely Bones. Zach Miller is going to be the real deal in the NFL. He doesn't just want to start in the NFL he wants to be the best.

Spaeth and Chandler are also high intensity / strong character players who could possibly be drafted later and wouldn't be bad to have on the Raiders. Both are a little less talented than Miller when it comes to the picnic portion of football.

Olsen is a good receiver also, but lacks the physicallity of the other three.

[Madturk]

You can't argue with success so I'd try to blueprint what the Chargers have done.

AP with our first pick. Will help level the playing field in the run happy AFC West. Don't think for a minute that the old man isn't cognizant of this. This pick makes way too much sense. I don't think Brady Quinn becomes an option anymore unless someone is targeting him as their QBOTF. Then I'd go with the TE with our second, although Miller stated he wasn't coming out if he wasn't assured of being a first rounder.

In a trade down scenario, I'd probably go ML or Alan Branch, then Bush in the second with Brian Leonard as our other second or the top available OL.

I would be happy if we came away with one of the three rb's.

[BigTron]

C.Henry is a M.Bush Clone in rnd 3.

[RaiderIVlife]

Assuming we don't trade down, I think it's wise to go for the Blue Chip player that can score TD's. Therefore, the pick should be QB / WR / RB, take your pick.

[RaiderIVlife]

In a trade down scenario, I'd probably either want Lynch or Branch and assuming we had another 1st rounder, I'd probably want any combination of Jarrett / Miller / Bush.

Any of those combinations would be Day-1 starters IMO.

[massraider]

THe only way I see a trade down happening is if Weis and Crennel continue to pass notes during Geography:

Hi, Brady likes you:) , do you like him? Check one:

* YES:D

*NO:(


Further, we'd need to see Martz decide he doesn't like Orlovsky or McCown and want Quinn, and the Raiders blow enough smoke to convince the Browns that Quinn is their guy. So, the Browns would want to secure the #1 pick, to ensure that the Mighty Quinn winds up in Cleveland.

Raiders move down to #3, acquire a 2nd and something else, and still wind up with Jamarcus, Thomas, or Peterson. With that extra 2nd, they can draft Brian Leonard, this year's "Every teams fans has their team drafting him" guy.

I don't think the Lions are going to cooperate. I think Martz feels he can move the ball with any old QB, and he may very well be right. Lions are really a wild card here. They have a RB. They have a LT. They have a marquee WR. This is a team that could take Quinn, Peterson, Thomas, Gaines Adams, anyone really, but is there really a no-brainer pick for them? I wonder.

[jatfly]

Who ever we take better be a Offensive player!!!!!!!

[massraider]

We should take "Not Calvin Johnson"

My case:

Top 10 WR's since 1992:

Desmond Howard #4
Curtis Conway #7
Michael Westbrook #4
Joey Galloway #8
JJ Stokes #10
Keyshawn Johnson #1
Terry Glenn #7
Ike Hilliard #7
Torry Holt #6
David Boston #8
Peter Warrick #4
Plaxico Burress #8
Travis Taylor #10
David Terrell #8
Koren Robinson #9
Charles Rogers #2
Andre Johnson #3
Larry Fitzgerald #3
Roy Williams #7
Reggie Williams #9
Braylon Edwards #3
Troy Williamson #7
Mike Williams #10

[jatfly]

We should take "Not Calvin Johnson"

My case:

Top 10 WR's since 1992:

Desmond Howard #4
Curtis Conway #7
Michael Westbrook #4
Joey Galloway #8
JJ Stokes #10
Keyshawn Johnson #1
Terry Glenn #7
Ike Hilliard #7
Torry Holt #6
David Boston #8
Peter Warrick #4
Plaxico Burress #8
Travis Taylor #10
David Terrell #8
Koren Robinson #9
Charles Rogers #2
Andre Johnson #3
Larry Fitzgerald #3
Roy Williams #7
Reggie Williams #9
Braylon Edwards #3
Troy Williamson #7
Mike Williams #10

You could make that case about almost any position, but BOY What a list that is there....Average Player after Average Player there.....

[massraider]

You could make that case about almost any position, but BOY What a list that is there....Average Player after Average Player there.....

It's very true that you could make a list for every position, but WR, more than any other position.

These guys all have wonderful physical traits coming out of college. Some more than others, but is CJ such a better physical speciman than Westbrook or Rogers was?

What seperates the best WR's (IMO) is what's between their ears, and their work ethic. Stuff you can't measure.

[NIPS]

I think if we hire Ryan it will make Moss happy since he has given Rob a ringing endorsement

If Randy is happy.. Charles Johnson is not needed. Drafting CJ and letting Moss go is a lteral move. He's here, under contarct and has proven more than CJ, not that CJ wont become great, but he has yet to play a snap in the NFL

I think the important factor is who we get as OC..

Call me crazy, but I dont think our offensive personel is bad as they looked.

Didnt Jordan have 1600 total yards last year behind players we still have on the roster minus Ron Stone?

I'd love to have Ryan as HC, Moss happy, Porter happy and an OC that can put together a solid offensive game plan on a week to week basis

That alone will be more important than anybody we draft in April

Now on to the draft

With Moss now happy and Porter finally hosing out the sand in his vagina we have solved 75% of the problem

I have to look very hard at Russell or Adrian Peterson

Jordans under contract and Fargas proved he can be a solid backup 3rd down back

If we can get this running game back to where it was last year, then whats left?

The passing game

After further review, I see Walter as a decent QB, but I cannot ignore the pure talent and arm strength of Russell. Especially with thoughts of him throwing to Moss, they hook up.. he's happy and we are winning...

Area #2 I see as a huge hole is our TE

Zach Miller is an animal.. not the quickest but...

He can block, which is going to help our running game... see how this is coming together?

Miller is tougher than a 2 dollar steak, great, great hands, will take the beating over the middle and has the best hands of all the TE.. Todd Heap clone, but one thing he his said to do better is

BLOCK

Good solid blocking TE's are key to a successful running game, think we might see less sacks?

Me thinks so

Area #3 is Center, I could care less about his acedemics, Kyle Young is a fuckin baller, he's very good at reading defenses and he does remind me alot of Barret Robbins.. He's a strong run blocker.. which will....

Help our run game

So with that I give you my picks

1) Jamarcus Russell
2) Zack Miller
3) Kyle Young

Free agency is going to be key as well

Eric Steinbach is someone I think we really, relly consider..

If we can land a vet guard like Steinbach and as well as someone like Runyan

That will set us in the right directon offensively

Now as far as rd 4... I'll be posting two guys you will see tonight that could very well be there in rd 4

[Jack's sore libido]

I want Peterson, CJ or a trade down.

But I'm starting to think it will be Russell.

With LaMont back, Fargas having run with some heart and Moss/Porter/Curry/Gabriel looking more likely with Shell getting fired ... I gotta think those positions will be viewed as covered. That would mean only a QB makes sense for the No. 1 pick.

Though I still say you can't have too many awesome RBs.

[Madturk]

And Michael Bush may very well be there with our second pick.

[BigTron]

I think if we hire Ryan it will make Moss happy since he has given Rob a ringing endorsement

If Randy is happy.. Charles Johnson is not needed. Drafting CJ and letting Moss go is a lteral move. He's here, under contarct and has proven more than CJ, not that CJ wont become great, but he has yet to play a snap in the NFL

I think the important factor is who we get as OC..

Call me crazy, but I dont think our offensive personel is bad as they looked.

Didnt Jordan have 1600 total yards last year behind players we still have on the roster minus Ron Stone?

I'd love to have Ryan as HC, Moss happy, Porter happy and an OC that can put together a solid offensive game plan on a week to week basis

That alone will be more important than anybody we draft in April

Now on to the draft

With Moss now happy and Porter finally hosing out the sand in his vagina we have solved 75% of the problem

I have to look very hard at Russell or Adrian Peterson

Jordans under contract and Fargas proved he can be a solid backup 3rd down back

If we can get this running game back to where it was last year, then whats left?

The passing game

After further review, I see Walter as a decent QB, but I cannot ignore the pure talent and arm strength of Russell. Especially with thoughts of him throwing to Moss, they hook up.. he's happy and we are winning...

Area #2 I see as a huge hole is our TE

Zach Miller is an animal.. not the quickest but...

He can block, which is going to help our running game... see how this is coming together?

Miller is tougher than a 2 dollar steak, great, great hands, will take the beating over the middle and has the best hands of all the TE.. Todd Heap clone, but one thing he his said to do better is

BLOCK

Good solid blocking TE's are key to a successful running game, think we might see less sacks?

Me thinks so

Area #3 is Center, I could care less about his acedemics, Kyle Young is a fuckin baller, he's very good at reading defenses and he does remind me alot of Barret Robbins.. He's a strong run blocker.. which will....

Help our run game

So with that I give you my picks

1) Jamarcus Russell
2) Zack Miller
3) Kyle Young

Free agency is going to be key as well

Eric Steinbach is someone I think we really, relly consider..

If we can land a vet guard like Steinbach and as well as someone like Runyan

That will set us in the right directon offensively

Now as far as rd 4... I'll be posting two guys you will see tonight that could very well be there in rd 4


If thats our draft i will be a happy man.

[Crow]

What seperates the best WR's (IMO) is what's between their ears, and their work ethic. Stuff you can't measure.

Agreed completely. But Johnson is supposedly a lot like Fitzgerald in that capacity. That's the most appealing part about the guy.

Terrell Owens without the drops and...well...without actually being T.O. Damn intriguing.

[Crow]

I want Peterson, CJ or a trade down.

Right there with ya.

But I'm starting to think it will be Russell.

Choke and die on your own bile.

With LaMont back,

$4.75 million roster bonus. I'm not expecting him to see that.

Fargas having run with some heart

I've enjoyed eating my words watching this guy compete this year.

and Moss/Porter/Curry/Gabriel looking more likely with Shell getting fired

I can't imagine anything justifying us retaining Moss, but...

... I gotta think those positions will be viewed as covered.

Let us hope this is not the case.

That would mean only a QB makes sense for the No. 1 pick.

For Al?

As I said on another board, neither of these QBs looks like they're on the level of the guys we passed over last year. I feel like we'd look pretty foolish...and be pretty foolish...to pass up an '06 Ferrari, only to take an '07 Kia.

Though I still say you can't have too many awesome RBs.

I'm a whore for RB depth. I get depressed when I think back to the depth we used to have at the position. No one in the mold of an Adrian Peterson, of course. But how great was it to be able to trot out 4 different RBs in any game and have them all make plays for us? Wheatley, Kirby, Randy Jordan, Garner, Kaufman, etc. Depth at RB is a beautiful thing.

Peterson, Fargas, Crockett, and maybe a Day 2 pick...sweet.

[Jack's sore libido]

Weren't you the guy who said the Saints would never take Reggie Bush because they had Deuce McAllister? :)

[Seraph24]

Yea we all seem to have some pretty big misses in our draft look backs. I was right about us picking Huff though(i figured the woodson loss made it a lock), but waaaayyyyyy off about Tennessee taking Leinart.

[007]

As I said on another board, neither of these QBs looks like they're on the level of the guys we passed over last year. I feel like we'd look pretty foolish...and be pretty foolish...to pass up an '06 Ferrari, only to take an '07 Kia.


I think Al might realise that the 'Mustang's' he's been keeping in the garage are actually Ford Pinto's.

A Kia wouldnt look so bad, if thats the case. :D


I'm a whore for RB depth. I get depressed when I think back to the depth we used to have at the position. No one in the mold of an Adrian Peterson, of course. But how great was it to be able to trot out 4 different RBs in any game and have them all make plays for us? Wheatley, Kirby, Randy Jordan, Garner, Kaufman, etc. Depth at RB is a beautiful thing.

Peterson, Fargas, Crockett, and maybe a Day 2 pick...sweet.

I think Lamont will get reworked and stay. He deserves a fair crack at putting up his numbers from a couple seasons ago...IE: 7th in the league in yards from scrimmage.

At this point:

Russell/Quinn and Mike Bush > Peterson and Troy Smith/Stanton or whoever...

[Jack's sore libido]

You know what's better than both of those?

Trading down and raping the Bucs, Browns, Lions or whoever else has a hard-on for one of these guys.

Frankly, I think drafting 8th is as good as drafting first in this draft.

Adrian Peterson
JaMarcus Russell
Calvin Johnson
Brady Quinn
Joe Thomas
Dwayne Jarrett
Alan Branch
Marshawn Lynch

I'd be ecstatic with just about any of those guys.

[BigTron]

I think AP and CJ should be the clear cut 1 and 2.
Russell going to be a superstar at Qb or a bust.
Quinn is going to at least become a soilid NFL QB.
J.Thomas should be a solid LT orGallery#2, with knee problems.
D.jarrett will be very good in the NFL but he cant hold CJ's jock strap.
Branch is a load and DT's are always at a premium.
I really like Lynch but i dont see him on AP's level. AP is a phenom who outworks and leads his teamates. Lynch gives me a thuggish vibe, however being a local fan is cool though.

A trade down would be good this year if we could rob somebody. If not we have to take the sure thing at #1. Calvin Johnson is a safe as any pick ive ever seen. I realize Wr isnt a huge need right now but can we afford to gamble? Moss and Porter and oft injured R.Curry are not the future here longterm.
The only other cant miss prospect IMO is Adrian Peterson. He has been a monster since he was a freshman, yes he has had some injury concerns but nothing that anyone should worry about. It wasnt a knee or ankle or hip etc. Lamont Jordan is chubby, slow and overpaid and once again isnt the longterm answer. We need a running game. A gamebreaker RB would make any line look better and help A.Walter or whoever is a QB for the next 8-10 years.
LT,LJ ..... AP!

If we gamble on a QB with this line it will be risky. JR has AL written all over him... its goingot be a long offseason. Can we get a fucking coach? ROB RYAN IS WAITING AL.